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>>46091038
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No, nobody praises Nagash. He was defeated in ages past, and has been gone for more than a thousand years. There's no point in praising him because he never came back and did something stupid like blow up the entire world.
Did anyone ever actually play this (either edition)? How does it stack up against other historicals? Could I use it to see if the Roman Legions would be better at fighting Chaos than the Empire?
>>46091430
It amazes me how invisible this game was, I read WD for years and never saw it mentioned much if at all.
I have heard of redshirts who did not even know it existed when they still sold it.
>>46091678
It wasn't invisible if you played historicals at all. It was one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) for 28mm ancient/medieval.
Just GW didn't really want to be seen with it outside the odd tiny blurb in a WD or the stand at Games Day, as they didn't make historical figures.
>>46091924
Why didn't they, anyways? It seems like a perfect opportunity for them to pour into the historical market, which is why I imagine WAB was made in the first place.
Sculpting a few sprues worth of Romans and barbarians seems like it would be pretty easy, and a good way to ease themselves into the minds of historical gamers as a source for minis.
so, /whfb/ what are you currently working on?
RIP Bretonnia
debating whether to get a trebuchet or not, before they are out... dont want to give gw money for squating brets. on the other hand they are already selling them for 70 euro on ebay
>>46092061
And they could have marketed themselves to parents as educational, on top of the usual spiel in their booklets about being a good hobby for kids.
>>46092213
We will ride eternal, shiny and Chainmail.
>>46092264
Don't waste the money, you can buy a KoW trebuchet for $10 on ebay, not to mention building one yourself is dead easy.
>>46092264
Get one from another manufacturer. It cannot get more generic than a bloody trebuchet.
Thinking about codifying some homebrew rules for 6e, make a 6.5 for my group to play with.
Do you guys think that Steadfast (negated by a flank) is a good addition? I want to encourage units bigger than minimum size and blunt blenders, but not make the full massive blocks of 8e a requirement.
>>46091430
It stacks up very well against other historicals, but 28mm is not a popular scale for historical battles since it's retarded for block infantry and maneuvering systems, 28mm is good for skirmish games and clunky as fuck for everything else.
Warhammer ancient battles, warmaster and warmaster ancients were all really, really good and still see plenty of play. Warmaster Ancients is probably my favourite of the bunch.
People who play GW games are generally clueless about just how many rules sets and how many products there are for historical wargames, because those never get played in the same store as the one where they buy their space marines.
Historical wargaming has several magazines, organizations and gorillions of product lines, it's just that none of them are as big as GW by themselves, but if you count the entire hobby it's way bigger than the GW portion.
You know how you go to a toy store and they'll have one shelf of GW models and then 4 shelves of model aircraft and tanks and stuff from different manufacturers? It's kinda like that.
>>46092404
I have NEVER seen any historical other than Flames of War played in my LGS or sold on the shelves.
And the hell kind of toy shops do you have that sell GW?
>>46092394
On the same note, any recommendations for other rules you'd use to change up core 6e?
>>46092485
>I have NEVER seen any historical other than Flames of War played in my LGS or sold on the shelves.
Because most adults play and collect with friends at home, they don't want to hang out with magic players and fight for tables with star wars or play in other kind of venues that don't sell products.
>And the hell kind of toy shops do you have that sell GW?
It's really really common in countries that don't really have the population density for dedicated dork stores or GW stores.
Where I'm from the nearest store that sells GW stuff is a generic toy store where you can buy everything from barbie dolls or beach balls to scale model kits and stuffed animals. It also has GW kits, armybooks/codices and GW paints (alongside generic model building paints). There is no actual room to play in store, and the people who are into the hobby are part of an organization that has access to a space that hosts everything from MTG releases to role-players and wargames. There's an entire room where people just store their wargaming armies so they don't have to pack them into the car every time they go there. People play historicals, warhammer, frostgrave, tons of 40k and star wars. The only people with keys are the functionaries of the organization and most information is communicated by forums and facebook so people know when there are events and when it's open.
>>46092625
Is that supposed to be some kind of snide implication?
And funny, never seen people mention it being sold in toy stores, that is why the start painting kits to compete with Airfix and the like were such a big deal.
>>46092485
The games that get played in stores are generally the ones that get sold in stores. Duh.
There are tons of wargames systems for any given historical period that don't have their own model lines, and people play with whatever miniatures they like the best.
Most people in your FLG have probably never heard of miniatures from Baccus, Adler, Heroic & Ros, or Irregular, or rules systems like Black Powder, Polemos or Carnage & Glory.
>>46092736
God, those Napoleonic lines were ridiculous. I'm so glad we're past the point where every wargame was recreating Waterloo.
>>46092723
It's not meant to be snide at all, where did you get that idea? You might want to try asking a question without sounding shocked or sceptic once in a while though.
I answered your questions, that's all.
>And funny, never seen people mention it being sold in toy stores, that is why the start painting kits to compete with Airfix and the like were such a big deal.
I can't know for sure why you've never seen people mention it, it's pretty common. This is what it's like for most GW gamers in Europe, for instance. There are whole countries that don't have more than 1 tiny GW only store and where most players buy their stuff in generic toy and model stores.
>>46092736
> I'm so glad we're past the point where every wargame was recreating Waterloo.
It's still an incredibly common subject for wargames and miniatures, I'm not sure where you are going with this. If you don't like something, that's cool, but do you have to sound like such a dick when someone is telling you things you asked about?
>>46092796
Was meant to reply to
>>46092770
sorry.
>>46092777
Well I never see it talked about here or on forums.
I have noticed a pretty strict separation between toy shops and model shops in this country, its very rare a place sells both. A hobby shop will sell both scale model and wargame kits but not as many as an LGS. And toy shops never do in my experience.
>>46092811
This is the first time I'm getting into this discussion; you're getting confused about who you're talking to.
Also, it's still popular but it's not the overwhelming force it once was, where literally every wargame was Napoleonic, then you had people who advertised 'Napoleonic Wargaming in the Roman Era' or similar clunky phrases because people needed a few years to wrap their heads around the concept of not commanding early 19th century Prussians.
You're the one who's being an overly defensive dick here, anon.
>>46092872
Like I said, countries with lower population density tend to have much less specialized stores, there won't be a separate model shop and toy shop in a town but a couple of toy shops that sell a bit of everything.
Is it THAT strange that you don't hear much about historical wargames on a board that got started so that warhammer players would have somewhere to talk about warhammer?
How many threads about chess do you see compared to how many threads about 40k? Do you think that means more people play 40k than chess, or that they just don't hang out here?
>>46092905
I'm just a bit confused about what time period you're talking about here. Fantasy wargaming has been around for longer than 99% of people on this board has been alive, it's not like we're all high-fiving and celebrating that the dark reign of napoleonics has finally ended, there are more kinds of wargames now, absolutely, but there are still tons and piles of rules and minis for napoleonics. It's just that the average young geek is more into fantasy or sci-fi than history these days.
Were you into wargaming since before chainmail got released or something?
>>46091038
Anyone here found decent third party bolt throwers?
The GW ones are expensive as fuck and still kinda butt ugly.
>>46092394
>6th ed homebrew
Goodluck, there's an ass load of variations and as someone who attempted it yourself my advice is to add the rules your group likes and stop there.
>>46092954
I can remember the dark days of the mid-to-late 60's, when Brontosaurus still walked the earth.
>>46092976
Well then you only had to suffer like 5 years before Gygax released Chainmail and you can let it go now gramps, it's been 45 years.
Even if you played nothing but napoleonics until warhammer came out that's still like what, 23 years ago?
>>46093006
I reserve the right to carry the bitterness with me for the rest of my days. 50 years on, you'll probably still get annoyed by Justin Beiber or Gamergate or whatever it is kids care about these days.
>>46092872
East-Coast US, and likewise here. Model trains are the only sort of bleed-over into Toy Shops / Sections I typically see, and with a bare minimum of terrain to go with it. Miniatures, model planes, and so-on all tend to be crammed into dedicated "hobby shops" or - if part of a larger store - hobby section.
On the plus side, this usually means that shops carrying miniatures sport either a larger range of a brand's products (ex: Their GW selection has more than Spess Mahreen books) or a larger brand selection (if not both!). On the minus, the stores are much more spread out and often require a dedicated trip (since they're competing with both toy stores and pre-existing hobby shops for convenience of location).
>>46092912
What? I said I never see people discuss buying models in toy shops.
>>46092061
Because they're marketing strategy has been that THEY are the hobby (as in wargaming). If they entered the historical miniatures market they'd be competing with a great deal of other companies which would draw comparisons and show that they're not the be all and end all.
>>46092966
Go to this site, find your army, it lists proxies for everything.
Know what?
Fuck Games Workshop.
We got Bretonnia in Blood Bowl and Corsair, and we will get them in Total Warhammer.
They're the easiest models to replace with third parties, and now we are Patricians with the Tomb Kings. We may welcome the stalwart Germans and perfection-seeking Slaanesh in the future as well.
Let the AoSuckers have their Ground Marines and Skaven.
>>46092061
That's not how gw do business.
Gw as a model company start with the models, they find a sculpt that they like and that can be mass produced cheaply then they write a back ground and rules for it.
>>46093904
But I want skaven too anon
>>46094235
They'll all end up here sooner or later.
Except the Sigmarines. Those don't exist in WHFB.
>>46094251
Not if they do to Skaven what they did to Slayers. Nobody wants a part of that.
>>46094291
Exactly, nobody wants it, so the old skaven players will retreat back and leave the mutants too horrible for Clan Moulder in Age.
When Age happened, it sent a message that Games Workshop had given up on us. Not everyone took it, but the message was there. Some kept buying GW, others looked to proxies to play the rules they liked in the setting they loved with miniatures they could afford both monetarily and mentally rather than supporting the company that turned its back on once loyal fans. Some people chided them for it. Some still come on this thread to chide them for it. But it should be increasingly clear, as more factions join the Tomb Kings and Bretonnia, that going forward this isn't just a way things can be done, but rather it will become the only way.
>>46094438
Read it like a speech in a Tarantino movie.
I mostly agree, but GW will keep Skaven, maybe Lizardmen. Its clear that since they actually invented those (or at least Priestly did for them) they want it for pure copyright.
Now given that GW can't copyright Space Marine, I could see SMs being replaced by futuristic Stormcast Eternals after an ET event for 40k.
>>46092208
converting a treeman
Brett minis are back, only the treb and king louen, pegi knight and paladin is sold out.
What the fuck is going on?
>>46096403
fighting to death, as they swore the Lady they will
>mfw we're witnessing Brets last fight
I'll ride with, mes amis
>>46096403
>What the fuck is going on?
Death of WHFB. TW is last tribute to WHFB.
Reminder that this is what the Tomb Kings originally looked like.
>>46092303
>>46096518
>We will ride eternal, shiny and Chainmail.
>Pic: Some of the first minis I EVER painted. I could do so much better now, even if I'm still cruddy, but screw it.
>>46097474
If you just went back and slapped on a light black wash they'd look good
>>46097395
They look as rediculous as every other army from ye olde days
>>46097474
>>46097589
Yeah, a black wash on all the metals and a brown wash on the horses and in the recesses of everything else and you'd go from an "old-school tabletop quality" to "modern tabletop quality".
>>46097807
I like the old mummies as Liche Priests personally.
>>46097972
Brets unsquatted. Check the store.
>>46098143
Attaboy.
>>46098171
>Louen and trebuchet are still sold out
We can't escape
>All my gaming friends suddenly become obsessed with 9th Age
>It's all they want to play
>mfw I just want to play 8th
>>46098582
>tfw they all want to play aos
>>46098582
>not playing 6th
>>46098741
>not playing Warmaster
Why did they change the Ogres skin colour with their newer army book?
>>46098834
Why did they make all Lizardmen blue? GW does whatever the rats living in their skulls tells them to do.
>>46098834
>mfw making an ogre army
They are the funniest guys to assemble and paints
>all those useful bits
>can use anything from any armies as loot/armor/weapon
>those fucking beasts
Best army
>>46098888
Yes I know, I just thought it was a shame.
Personally I will be painting mine in the old scheme, sets them apart more from normal humans.
Then again I have also heard the rumour orcs are only green because of a production fuckup in the 80's, its hard to tell with GW.
>>46098888
> GW does whatever the rats living in their skulls tells them to do.
Promoting the Horned Rat to main chaos god, squatting TK (Fellblade!) and Brets (red death!)... AoS does seem like a Skaven plot, doesn't it?
>>46098974
That's a pretty sweet Orc. Is it a Black Orc made with Ork bitz?
>>46098969
Maneaters are probably the best minis out there for someone who wants to make something crazy and still have it be table legal. I have a dream of making a Tarzan-themed one from the Southlands, complete with gorillahide loincloth and swinging vine.
>>46098834
The first ogre kingdoms book came out when Shrek was popular.
The first ogre kingdom models had greenish skin.
I'm sure it's all a coincidence.
>>46099070
It's the Black Orc Big Boss model.
>>46099160
I want to make a unit of 3 Cowboy Maneaters, but I suck at GS and I have no idea where to find bitz to use.
I guess some doll ponchos and cowboy hats?
>>46099070
Think it's the official Black Orc Big Boss model
>>46099312
I gave one of my ogre the top hat from monopoly
Maybe Lego cow-boy hat or playmobil?
>>46099264
Shrek came out in 2001, Ogre Kingdoms came out in 2005. And they had grey skin.
Although as an aside: Ian Miller did some early concept art for Shrek. Pic related.
I want to see his version of Shrek.
>>46098969
add the fact that they are like the cheapest army out there as well
>you really have no excuse for not having an ogre army
>>46099960
My excuse is that my ogres are part of my chaos army
>>46099960
Sure I do, they are going to be part of my Dogs of War army.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1gX1EP6mG-E
Headed out west across the mighty sea
I'm shipped UPS from the land of the QueenStarin' at bubbles
And pray to Lady The address is written down right
I made it to New York in seventeen days
But ahead of me I still got a ways
And I'm hopin' the Lady
Will see me to Cali tonight
So paint me silver like a cared-for blade
Paint me with varnish so I don't fade
Hail my liege, paint me
Paint my standard, paint my heraldry
So our foe across the table can see
Hail my liege, paint me
My first Lord was angered by the new Age
The fate of my kin was to be put on eBay in rage
The Green Knight went to Glasgow
I shipped to 'murrica
We were stripped of our paint to sell for slightly more
Lost my shield, and my unit was sent to Australia
But I won't lose this Lead. test I will wave your colors with pride
So paint me silver like a cared-for blade
Paint me with varnish so I don't fade
Hail my liege, paint me
Paint my standard, paint my heraldry
So our foe across the table can see
Hail my liege, paint me
He tried the four pages of Age rules
But without points the game is a joke
The game is for fools
So like the other old school fans he jumped ship
To that Malifaux, and X-Wing
And sold us all with no small amount of salt
So to you my liege I come first class
With a silent cry of Deus Vult
In a padded envelope
And in my heart I sing
So paint me silver like a cared-for blade
Paint me with varnish so I don't fade
Hail my liege, paint me
Paint my standard, paint my heraldry
So our foe across the table can see
Hail my liege, paint me
>>46100240
God speed questing knight
>>46098974
>tfw back in the day I built that guy with his head upside down because I thought they were horns and not tusks and I didn't notice his face
This was before every model had a promo pic on the website, mind you. It might have even been before the website had a store.
>>46100352
A lot of my chaos warrior's had backwards hands because I didn't notice there were left and right ones.
Does anybody know of models that could proxy Pirazzo's Lost Legion?
>>46092213
I was always Orcs and Goblins main but Breonnia were my second and I loved them and their models...fucking GW.
>>46100434
Any conquistadors with pikes?
>>46099312
>>46099318
Huh, guess I never looked at the line that closely. The shield looked like a converted bit from some Orc vehicle.
>>46099989
>>46100204
>your ogres don't eat everyone else and become the army
The Maw is disappoint
>>46100434
Gamezone has some Imperial Halberdiers and other troops, they're fiendishly expensive as they're metal. Otherwise the Warlord Games Pike & Shotte range would do well; some Armoured Pikemen, some Clubmen with Pike and Muskets (switching out the muskets for crossbows).
>>46101075
Mom miniatures just came out with dirt cheap imperial halberds
>>46100845
The only Ogres that venture outside the Mountains outside an army of Ogres are those smart enough to know its better to have a reputation for getting shit done and only eating those who have it coming than to mindlessly eat everything.
That way you get more gold, which means more food than you could ever gather yourself.
There's no shortage of tinies to eat and tinies that will give you gold for doing it. You can afford to be choosy, and anyone you really want to eat will have someone willing to pay you to do it if you wait.
>>46098969
>not playing glorious Gnoblar Horde from 6th with 2pt models and absolutely no magic support
I want WAAC to leave
>>46101231
Please, Gnoblar Horde was banned from the European circuit for a reason. A war machine that can also charge? It's unbeatable!
>>46101344
>banned from the European circuit
wait, this actually happened? Why?
>>46101344
>A war machine that can also charge?
because the hellcannon was such an integral part of the warriors of chaos list.
>>46101207
That still doesn't make the Maw feel any better. C'mon, just consume eternity and feed yourself to the Maw. What are servants of an endlessly hungry deity for?
>>46101538No, anon, it's a joke, playing off of >>46101231 saying that having Ogres in an Ogre Kingdoms army was WAAC
>>46101615
you know Gnoblar Horde was a separate, published list?
>>46101763
Yeah, but it's still essentially a variant OK list that requires opponent approval.
>>46101615
The Maw doesn't feel anything at all.
It was a Warpstone comet brought down by the dragon emperor of Cathay that went straight through the Warhammer World (AKA Mallus apparently and retroactively).
The Ogres were fed by the magic winds and Warpstone of it, and saw the winds coming from the giant gaping hole as breathing.
>>46102227
Please. Even if a giant warpstone meteor crashing into the planet didn't make a giant mouth, the concentrated belief of thousands of Ogres over centuries as they were overcome by a ravenous hunger certainly did.
>>46102227
But it was clearly described as being made of flesh and having actual teethif you're using AoS, then the maw appears there too and acts as an actual god too, lesser, but a godly entity nonetheless
>>46092213
Ride on, fuckers
How the hell does the empire manage to survive all the shit hat gets thrown at it, and how are they anywhere near close to the power level of their enemies? not just militarily, where does the empire get all the food to feed its people and maintain its armies? I get that the empire is supposed to be real life Holy Roman Empire with a couple of wizards and some steam tanks, but in making them realistic I feel that it's unrealistic for them to have even survived this long. Hell, the vast majority of their empire is beastmen infested forests, how do any villages manage to last longer than a season?
>>46102592
The Moot produces a cubic megafuck of food, is rarely attacked, and the Halflings are actually fierce motherfuckers.
As for survival, humans breed fast, expand fast, avenge grudges for each other to look like badasses who get shit done, ally with everyone, have wandering warriors who love destroying the leadership and important figures of their foes with zealotry and magic that's a direct counter to their own augments (Light), and the non-End Times forces of Destruction fight internally more than externally.
>>46102592
If you read the history, you'll find that the Empire is often more of an idea than a reality. Not just during the civil war started by Ottilia, but for large parts of the last 2500 years the Empire was often just a convenient political fiction, legitimacy for the local rulers. It wasn't until the Great War of Chaos that every province actually contributed to the same military effort.
It was these local rulers who took care of the feeding and local security. The Beastmen are raiders, a threat to local interests but relatively easy to break and push back into the deeper recesses of the forest, where they live (the maps are often deceptive, but the forests are not all super thick deepwoods, the many cities that are marked on the map in 'forested' areas is proof of that). Even when they start gaining momentum, they're not good at actually being an army in terms of grand strategy and logistics. On a campaign, it's fairly easy to outmaneuver them and beat them in open battle, although exterminating them is near impossible.
So the Empire is a persistent creature. It can take a lot of blows, and punch back pretty hard. It's really hard to actually break the Empire and slaughter it totally, they've never faced an outside threat that could feasibly replace the leadership and take over (the fate of most empires), and they're really good at working together with themselves and their allies when it comes to it.
How many KotR boxes would I need for a 2k Bret army? All the lists I see have about 35-40 knights, is this about right?
>>46099960
>>46101231
What would I need for a 2k Ogre army? would it be too much to ask for a list of pure ogres and another with gnoblar? Love those models.
>>46102592
Fluffwise, those mega invasions that penetrate deep into Empire territory take place many decades, if not centuries, apart, so a race without the dwindling problem of dwarfs and elves has it easy to recover.
>>46103157
Are you talking 8e, or what? I don't know if you can run only Gnoblar in 8e.
Either way, both Brets and only Ogres are probably clocking in under 50 models.
>>46103157
>What would I need for a 2k Ogre army? would it be too much to ask for a list of pure ogres and another with gnoblar? Love those models.
2 battalions, a BSB(converted from the battalion), a slaughtermaster (either converted from the battalion or bought), two sabretusks (any model will do don't need the GW one, I have seen people using better looking toys), and a mournfang or ironblaster box. I'd also buy a Firebelly because that model is awesome
So really, 2 battalions, 2 cats and an extra box plus optional characters. Cheapest fucking army ever.
>>46103283
Lovely brets
Chaos can also clock under 50 easily at 2k. TK chariots+constructs too, as well as HE/Empire cav army.
>>46103336
Thanks a lot anon. Just as with the sands of Nehekara, I'll make sure the Great Maw lives on.
>>46103283
Not purely gnoblar, just that includes some gnoblar units. I remember the list you talk about and it looked very fun, but never saw it played.
>>46103157
>that model
I love the crest. Conversion I'm assuming?
>>46103283
>tfw my Brets look so lackluster in comparison to this beauty
>>46102592
In terms of food production you have the moot, which seems to provide way more food than a real plot of land that size, and a large river system that makes it easy to transport all that food. Plus, we have Jade wizards and priests of The nature gods to promote crop growth. Realms of sorcery even mentions that jade wizards sent along with armies Turn the land they march on into breadbaskets to help feed the soldiers. The empire definitely produces more food than a similar sized real world country thanks to magic.
>>46103645
In that case, definitely grab enough Gnoblars to make a speedbump, buy up the Trappers for that extra fuck you.
>>46103819
I love Bretonnian models, if only because they seem to bring out the best painters. They get some beautiful work done to them. Bitches love heraldry.
>>46103645
About the Gnoblar questions, besides PDF related keep in mind that there's about 20 gnoblars in an OK battalion if you don't use them for decoration, you only need a bunch of extra 20mm bases, so you can make some trappers. With two boxes that's like 40 free gnoblars. Most OK sprues have them anyways.
I'd advise not to use much of them though, their movement speed seriously hinders them in an OK army.
>>46103911
Ha, that's my first Bret! Nice that someone found him worthy to get saved.
>>46104252
Of course I saved it, anon. I needed a record of your family's crest so I can recognize you if we ever meet on some game day.
>>46093904
>They're the easiest models to replace with third parties
No.
Not if you want the 13th century look with helmet crests.
The only thing you can really find for that are Teutonic Knights and a few heads from Mirmilton that have not much to do with the Bretonnia style.
>>46104328
It's not an ideal situation, but other than the Empire (who will need their own knights converted, not to mention giving their wizards and heroes a proper Warhammer feel) they're the easiest to do, so long as you have a decent bitz box.
>>46098974
>Then again I have also heard the rumour orcs are only green because of a production fuckup in the 80's, its hard to tell with GW.
There was a WD article that explained how that came to be. A dude in the local wargaming group painted his orcs green. And it stuck with the others.
So now warhammer orcs are green. And warcraft orcs too...
>>46104413
How did other people paint them? Flesh tones?Were there once black people in Warhammer?
>>46101837
Every list requires your opponents approval though anon.
>>46100352
>It might have even been before the website had a store.
GW even had an online store in the 90s. html based with bistsorders.
That model wasn't even around until sometime the 00s at least.
You're seriously misremembering something hereor just full of shit.
>>46104443
GW even had an entire army of rather... well... these days they wouldn't be PC anymore - Pygmies.
>>46104289
Well, in that case, see it in all it's official glory.
The three lower ones are more or less part of the deal. There is no real nobility in Germany anymore, but those three crests would belong to us, too. All of them will make an appearance. My ego demands it.
>>46104639
I've heard stories of the old Pygmies, but never actually seen one of their minis in the flesh. I didn't even know they were a full army, I thought they were just a one-off unit in 2e.
>>46104691
Thanks, Von Anon. I really want to see a daisy yellow Paladin on a Pegasus.mfw I come from Austrian peasant stock, and have no lineage worth remembering
>>46104691
>MFW I never put my own family arms and colors on a bret knight.
I have at least one unpainted lord, though I may need to head swap in one of the KoTR since, perfectly for working with brets, my family has a crest design of a boar, one of the standard ones for KotR helms if I clip the sword.
>>46104728
Oh well, to be fair I don't know if they had an entire army either.
I think they might have been connected to the Lizardmen/Amazons geographically at least though.
>>46104971
>Chaos Goblins
Having those as an option would be rad. I imagine that mutant chaff could fit in for Forsaken.
>>46105009
There really ought to just be a "mutants" unit, either for beastmen or warriors. I suppose you can just use them as ungors.
>>46104971
I belive that there were supposed to be another tribe in Lustria like the Amazons. They probably met the same fate as them too.
>>46105160
They made an reappearance with great models in 1999 when Mordheim was released?
>>46104787
Can be done, I have an old mtal one in my box. That might look great, now that I think about it.
Don't be afraid, we can do something here! As an Austrian you more or less descend from the Babenbergers, an old house from Bamberg in Germany, so you could just steal their coat of arms for your army. Pic related, if I'm not mistaken. Since that are also your national colours, it would be fitting. OR you steal the crest from the town or the district of Bamberg. Close enough and not too ugly, I think.
OR you steal the crest from another family that has your name. Of course, we won't call it theft, it's a normal annexation.
>>46104843
Yeah, sounds great. That's something I really enjoy about Brets, at least some of us can feed their egos like crazy. I love it.
>>46105260
Hah!
But they did come back; Issue 100 of White Dwarf had a scenario called Hanging Gardens of Bab-Elonn which had Pygmies exploring a big pyramid. Cool stuff.And Grombrindal wore blackface to celebrate
>>46104971
>each model is individually named
I really did miss the Golden Age, didn't I.
>>46103799
The crest is from the 40k terminators, and it looks kinda too big imo
>>46105524
ah, A simpler time.
>>46105524
Those are some nice looking dinos.
You're making me miss old white dwarf again anon
Okay /whfg/ I just got a 75 dollar prepaid credit card as a gift. I plan on buying a single unit for the GW Webstore.
This will be my last purchase from GW possibly for the rest of my life.
What should I get?
>>46107481
One of the last brets. It could be their final sale possibly for the rest of time.
>>46107481
Bret questing knights. Some of the best minis that wer'e about to see go imo.
>>46107599
>>46107661
At 89 canadabucks their above my price range sadly. A real shame especially since their really nice models.
Anyone else?
>>46108005
Green knight is pretty great.
Rip Napoleon
>>46108373
Agreed. Ordering right now, thanks familia.
Any other recommendations for 15 bucks?
Hey guys I'm trying to get into the lore of Warhammer, I know my 40k but not the former. Is there a specific series or something to start me out? Also I have no intention of buying models, though I'll grab that Total War coming out and that seems to have major lore characters.
>>46108563
Gotrek & Felix, up until they changed authors.
The WHFRP 2E books have their share of flavor and lore, especially the splatbooks. All are online.
>>46108563
Read Gotrek and Felix it's pretty well written and the hero's encounter nearly every faction over the course of the novels. There are a lot of books in the series though so it will take you a long time to read them, but they are kind of episodic so you can skip around without too much punishment.
Is Isha nurgle's prisoner in fantasy or is that a 40k only thing? Considering she was rescued by the papa when slannesh went on her rampage which as far as I know didn't quite happen in fantasy, I can't see how Isha would come into nurgles possession in fantasy land.
>>46108563
Once you get into the lore, it becomes very hard to not want to make your own little piece of it. Reading gotrek and felix forced me to make a dwarf army.
Whoever sculpted the fyreslayers should take the slayer oath and go to Syria.
>>46108793
Isha is fine in Fantasy. Slaanesh had not fucked the elves to death there.
>>46108563
I'd start with the lore section in the BRB (links in the OP, tho you can find the fantasy stuff in the main 40k mega folder as well), p 153-268 in the 8th book. After that, hit up the army books of the factions you are interested in (I'd suggest 6th armybooks in this case, tho some armies have better 7th codices like lizardmen fluff-wise), and/or start reading gotrek and felix if you are stoll undecided/want more.
>>46092213
How do these guys perform in the newest edition? I am a big Empire fan, and I'm debating what to do with my next army: Bretonnia or Lizardmen
>>46109936
They are pretty good. Lance formation is still powerful, good movement and heavy armor plus ward save on most of them, best stonethrower in the game
I SUMMON FUCKING RAT SATAN
ALLAHU RATBAR
>>46108793
Things are far less grimdark in Fantasy.
When you put it next to 40k, its almost like our universe.
If you ignore Age of Sogmar, then every single faction including Chaos is too incompetent/infighty/isolationist to ever get anything meaningful done against another faction.
Elves are not tied to Slaanesh in any way. He likes their souls, but that's it. If you go by older editions, he even has Elf worshipers.
1e and 2e were RPGs without a setting. Warhammer proper began in 3e, and the modern age of Warhammer in 6e.
8e is the last edition. 9th Age is a fan project.
Fantasy was ended and replaced with Age of Sigmar, the Star Wars prequels (although the prequels were far better, just picture if everything was Jar Jar for three movies) of Warhammer and those in this thread pretend it doesn't exist except to laugh about in a tired and hysteric way.
>>46110140
Well the pleasure cults are pretty closely tied with slannesh. But I feel like fantasy is less "grim dark" you're right. It's still dark, but it's not grim if that makes sense. There is no win condition for the good guys, they're just survivng against and endless siege of darkness, but it's not everything shit all the time, it's "hey lets protect this little segment of not shit from all the shit"
>>46110140
>Things are far less grimdark in Fantasy.
fantasy is more serious though, so that grimdarkness is serious too
40k is outright comedy, so while it's more grimdark you cannot take it seriously
>>46103799
>>46105691
Found it in this blog, has a breakdown of all the parts. The head seems to be from the hellstriders kit.
https://bretonnia.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/bretonnian-lord-with-hkb/
>>46103967
Thanks for the PDF. I'll get a box of gnoblars anyway just for having a bit more variety (and bits!).
>>46110183
>40k is outright comedy, so while it's more grimdark you cannot take it seriously
Tell that to its writers.
>>46110224
Gnoblars unfortunately come with very few bits. They are almost all just body and head.
However they are some of my absolute favorite models.
>>46110234
I reckon they know. Nobody can write that sort of stuff straight-faced.
What was the 6e variant list that you always loved bit never got round to playing/converting? We have the aforementioned Gnoblars, Vampire coast pirates, Clan Moulder, and a few others.
>>46104843
Lucky you, mine is an Otter that has been stabbed in the shoulder from what I can gather.
Does anybody happen to know a good book detailing the principles of heraldry?
>>46111042
and would you still play them/play against them now?
>>46111042
Dammit Anon why did you remind me.
I loved all those variant lists in the back of the books.
>>46111044
The SCA has a pretty good guide up on the net.
http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/newprimer/
Though keep in mind that how things where done varied from place to place and over time, so their guide won't be completely accurate everywhere ever.
>>46111042
>hellpit is kill
>>46111066
geez, that monster should count as terrain, not a model
I never liked the newer Lizardmen dinosaur models, that new Stegadon is hideous. Tamiya does a 1/35 Triceratops but I am worried that will be too big
>>46111066
If there ever was a reason for me to field more than 1 cannon, this model would be it.
>>46111042
Southlands (skinks only army), HE navy (or was this in 7e?).
>>46111222
I'm with you in hating the saurus models, but the steggie is awesome. A great improvement in my book. The new carnosaur, I've got mixed feelings about.
>>46092723
GW's in pretty much every toy shop in the UK aside from the big ones. Even then I bought my first edition of Warhammer from ToysRUs back in the 90s (the Bretts and Lizardmen one).
>>46093538
This. You mention wargaming to 90% of the population here and they'll say "Oh, like Warhammer/GW?"
It's actually quite insidious when you think about it how much GW has managed to insert itself as the ENTIRETY of the Wargaming hobby in so many people's minds.
>>46097474
Honestly, just pick out some of the details and give them a wash and they'd look fine.
>>46101152
Sexy as fawk. 10/10 would use for Empire and 16th century HRE wars/Italian Wars.
>>46111344
Yea with these out I'm actually considering making an empire force. I need to finish my 2000 points of skaven and chaos though before I go starting new armies though.
>>46111356
I've still got a small horde of Vampire Counts to paint up, but it's very tempting to go back to my old Empire ways.
>>46098143
I use them as Heralds
>>46110140
>Things are far less grimdark in Fantasy.
Not really.
It's like the evil in fairytales, and all that evil is actually real.
Some old pieces of lore had beastmen just being born by a pregnant woman being exposed to warpstone or something like that. So after 9 months of pregnancy you'd have a monster claw it's way out of your wife's belly and scuttle off into the woods.
It's pretty dark, just in a different way than 40k.
>>46111328
Every single dedicated toy shop I have seen in the UK is one of 'the big ones' so I don't see that helping much. Except one place in rural Norfolk and they did not sell GW.
>>46111292
Its far too busy, the old one looked more like an actual dinosaur so was better. And by 'newer' I mean after the ones in the 6E book.
>>46101344
>
>tfw played dogs of war
>tfw got beat by gnoblar horde multiple times
those gay ass ironsides and fear is bullshit. I could not pass a moral check to save my life
>>46111446
Not even old fluff, Morghor was born that way. Well, 6th edition is still modern Warhammer.
>>46111335
it's not insidious. you just have to be the biggest in the early day, that's it.
>Wargames = Warhammer
>MMO = World of Warcraft
>MOBA = DotA
>RPG = Dungeons and Dragons
>TCG = Magic the Gathering
none of them were insidious, they just were already there at the right time
>>46101152
>>46111356
they are monopose and head is merged with body, right?
too bad. would've made fine Grave Guard with halberds with some headswap
look too cool to be counts-as skeletons with halberd, sadly.
>>46104443
There were black people in warhammer, they fought and traded with khemri.
There was how ever no slave trade and as a result the warhammer worlds black people stayed in fantasy africa.
>>46111335
>insidious
Yeah building all those stores and recruiting all those new players was pretty insidious.
If it hadn't been for gw the hobby would have all but collapsed.
>>46111898
This is the only depiction I've ever seen.
I'd be interested to know if there's more anywhere.
Fluff question, as far as I know the Empire has 8 functioning steamtanks in service. Why can't the Empire just make more? I mean couldn't they just reverse engineer the tanks and work it out from there? Like as far as I know tech heresy isn't a thing in the Empire.
![Landship9[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/q6WctHA.jpg "Landship9[1].jpg")
>>46111975
They've tried making more, but they could never get them to work properly. Even the ones they do have are out of commission half the time.
On the other hand, they did manage to create the Marienburg-class Landship.
This is part of the reason I always thought the mechanical horse was bullshit unless they used magic.
>>46112053
Sorry for sounding like a pedantic asshole trying to pick apart the setting but it's out of genuine curiosity. Why don't they work properly? Like is it because of the materials they use? Faulty parts? Inexperienced crew?
Also that's really damn cool.
>>46112053
yeah the mechanical horse is bullshit, it's a lot more complicated than a fucking steam engine.
>>46112069
Probably because Leonardo of Miragliano was a genius and when he died there was no one else who entirely understood how the steam tanks worked.
>>46112127
So I guess the Empire don't really have detailed blue prints/schematics of the steam tanks and know the intricacies of the parts involved so instead resort to bootlegging a couple of steamtanks that whilst they work aren't quiet as good like a Chinese bootleg?
>>46112143
They could be missing a lot of things. Perhaps only half of the instruction manual exists, or like an Ikea desk you're missing one integral part that fucks it all up.
>>46112159
Alright thanks man.
Like the reason why I'm asking is because I think steam tanks are fucking awesome and amazing but there was this part of me asking "why don't they just make more and wreck shit?"
![GAWWFB 99110214006 T4A - Al Muktars Desert Dogs [Box] 1A.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xMxTRqi.jpg "GAWWFB 99110214006 T4A - Al Muktars Desert Dogs [Box] 1A.jpg")
>>46111975
Because they are not the property of a single entity, but each owned by a different count/rich guy/whatever, they are understandably quite afraid of messing around with something that could go BOOM any moment and would be impossible to replace.
>>46111974
>>46111898
Not strictly black, but... pick related.
>>46112177
There's a fair amount of information on Araby. They even had a full Warmaster army. And a Mordheim warband.
That's more than you can say for Estalia.
>>46111898
You do know what Naggoroth's Economy is based upon, right? Dark Elf raids have probably taken thousands to the new world.
>>46112221
I think he meant more that there's no African slave trade. Working as a slave in Naggaroth is an equal opportunity gig.You earn college credit.
>>46112243
True. Brettonian, Arabyian, Estillian, Southlander, Dwarf, Halfliing, Skink are all the same to the Druchii lash.
>>46111070
Medieval archaeologist and the guy with the ring-of-roses-crest-Bret: even where those rules for heraldry existed, they weren't really enforced or anything. Sometimes historical coats of arms are utter chaos from that perspective. But usually there is one rule pretty many crests follow: it's only allowed when "metals" (white, yellow, sometimes black) and "colours" (red, blue, green, sometimes black, etc;) are allowed to touch. The problem with black is often seen when you see crests with black and yellow combined.
So >>46111044 , look for pictures like from the Codex Manesse, there are at least a whole lot of historical crests, although mostly german. From there you can extrapolate. Also, a wounde otter... Sounds somewhat cool.
>>46112177
Good ole Al Muktar, white man leading around a bunch of arabs.
>>46108793
Isha is clear, but Nurgle has another plaything.
>>46112326
Wonder where they got that ideaI know it's a joke based directly off LoA
>>46109994
>>46112326
The Sheik is leading.
Al Muktar is more of a mascot.
>>46091430
I remember one mention of it in WD. Nothing else.
>>46112326
There's also Suliman le Saracen.
>>46112221
Naggaroth doesn't export slaves, they import them and then they die in the mines, on altars or in arenas.
Africa exported its country men for most of real world history in some shape or another.
>>46111952
I found it was the opposite. So many people I've met have been burnt on GW's bullshit as children that even though they liked the idea, they wouldn't do any wargaming. In addition you have tons of people who would like wargaming, say in historical or outside of GW's settings but had no idea about the larger hobby. Thankfully that's fading now thanks to the internet, but I seriously doubt GW saved wargaming.
>>46112447
I was pretty sure it was, but I didn't want to look like a fool and say it was if it wasn't.
>>46112513
That's right, been a while since I've read up on their unit, they also got the blind standard bearer Ibn I think is his name.
>>46112890
Isn't he part of a Bret duo hero? Man, gonna have to bust out my 5th edition book and re-read all this lore I used to love.
>>46104691
The first one looks eerily similar to my grandmothers old 'Vollwappen'.
>>46113166
It's the same one
You should hook up
>>46113020
>>46112890
Oh, wasn't he part of a Not!Merry Men for Not!Robin Hood? I seem to remember a fat friar called Guis Le Gross...
>>46113020
suleiman le sacrecen was an independent character. there was another Bret duo of this heroic Sir Galahad type followed around by this little court jester named jules le jongleur who was basically impossible to kill because he had a pretty sick dodge rule.
The 5e bret rulebook had an insane amount of heroes, I think it was supposed to be a big part of the army's dynamic. then 6e turned it all to shit.
>>46113185
>>46113166
Yup, very suspiciously close. Does your grandmother's name have two syllables and begin with an S?
>>46113364
I honestly cant remember her maiden name, she's using her husbands surname obviously.
But do you perhaps mean the family name 'Strecker'?
>>46113461
Yup, good anon. This is a pretty awesome coincidence.
Alter Falter.
>>46113461
It is indeed. Funny thing, I too had painted one of my brets in strecker colours.
>>46113519
meant to reply to
>>46113488
>>46113208
>>46113020
there were a certain number of special characters back then.
Got both Suliman and Repanse. The former will lead a cavalry unit in my TK army, the latter will be my Bretonnian Lord with HKB, or my BSB, haven't decided yet.
>>46113020
>>46113208
>>46113533
I'm missing Tristan, Jules and Baron Odo, would love to get my hands on them.
>>46112968
You've found wrong. Denying the hundreds of thousands and possibly millions of man hours that gws managers have put into selling the hobby is just silly.
Would wargaming still exist without gw, yes.
Would it be anywhere near as big or well developed, christ no.
>>46113519
Noice. So it is official: Bretonnia is a Strecker thing. Now I have to make the same thing with my outfit for medieval markets.
Just thinking about, a great helm with that crest... Would be awesome.
>>46113627
So out of curiosity, how far back could you trace the Streckers? Furthest I know is 1570s.
Any news about 9th age models?
>>46112069
>>46112127
>>46112143
>>46112159
>>46112168
Just FYI, the original drawing by DaVinci of his tank had a mechanical flaw in them. The cranks were in the reverse position they were supposed to be in that technical drawing. Which is probably what this whole thing alludes to.
Inventors would often include flaws into the documentation of their machines, so other couldn't reproduce them via 'cooking by the book'. You had to understand the mechanics in order to build it properly and avoid the flaws they hid in there.
At least that's my theory about that piece of fluff.
Some historical researchers actually built one of daVinci's tanks. Pretty dope stuff. Video should be easy to find on youtube.
>>46113616
>>46113630
>>46113647
Do you have the one with Princess who watches a bretonnian knight fight orcs?
>>46114040
Nope
have a blanche though
>>46113765
I had one source that was from 1430, but from that point on it gets a little muddy. I heard that the coat of arms actually dates back at least to the 1200s, but I don't have sourcs for that, yet. There could be even older stuff, but the name is a bit of a problem, since there are different professions and therefor families used that name. Glass makers, (not very honourable) spice salesmen, executioners, and more. In Eichsfeld there must be a church window with the crests of knight families, and there is ours as well, so there might be another thing.
Pretty interesting, but a whole lot of work, even for someone with a background in historical sciences.
>>46111044
It's really funny how classic bret my family heraldry is. Like, I can do it with simple painting over the transfer. I have no excuse.Argent, a lion rampant sable langued gules, a bordure engrailed or; crest: a boar passant or ducally gorged, langued and crined gules.
For creating heraldry, as is sometimes needful in fiction and painting, wikipedia is actually a frightfully good resource.
>>46109936
Surprisingly well! The lance formation is exceedingly powerful in 8th: a lance of 15 knights has 5 ranks (enough to break steadfast on many foes, including 50-strong hordes but not 50-strong busses), can turn a dime in defiance of all reason, and takes either few attacks back due to narrow frontage or none at all on the unit if you use the hero wall. M@A are an effective tarpit that can actually occassionally kill things thanks to halberd strength and could get even more staying power with Prayer Icon Blessing, pegasus knights are SUPERB at going deep and hunting war machines and other soft underbelly, (like min-cost wizard bunkers), and the trebuchet... trebuchet is hillarious, strength 5 under the template, the large template IIRC and strength 10 in the center, with a range that means it doesn't matter if the thing can't move it can hit the whole battlefield. It flattens units. Peasant archers, able to get fire, are also more effective than they seem like they should be.
The downside is that though KE/KotR are good in Lance, they're still somewhat overpriced for what they do and won't do a ton if you don't get the charge, while pretty much any unit I did not call (Reliquary, QKs, Grails) is FAR overpriced for only a mild upgrade in efficacy over the cheaper alternative (M@A, KotR). You don't have a lot of options compared to more modern armies, and you don't have a good answer to tarpits other than trebuchet and pray. Brets worst matchups in 8e are some of the edition's most dominant forces (like Skaven), but don't let anyone tell you they can't compete. If you don't play against WAACers you should be able to put up a balanced force while still enjoying the fluffy aspects of the army.
>Brets still ain't Last Chance to Buy on GW website
praise lady ok
>>46114888
>not buying second hand
>>46115017
reseller and second hand prices/availability very much depend on GW
Just bought 3000 pts of vampire counts.
Need to make a 2000 point list. Can anybody help out?
Here's what I have to work with.
100+ Zombies with themed unit fillers
40 Crypt Ghouls with themed unit fillers
6 Crypt Horrors
30 skeletons
A Mortis Engine
2 Terrorgheists
Zombie Dragon
10 Dire Wolves
5 Hexwraiths
2 Corpse Carts
4 Vampires/vampire Lords
1 Necromancer
1 Cairn Wraith and Tomb Banshee
1 Krell Lord of Undeath
>>46111042
It wasn't an army variant by definition but I did want to run my Empire army as a Sigmarite Crusade with all Warrior Priest heroes, huge blocks of Flagellants, some Knightly Orders and backed up by militia bands of archers and free companies.
My friend who also played Empire did run a successful Nuln Artillery Train though.
>9th Age on ETC
>8 games
kek
>>46113616
>>46113630
>>46113647
One of my all time favs, thanks.
is the Mordheim city of the dammed game any good?
>>46115081
i see a disturbing lack of Blood knights in that army list anon
>>46116630
That's some very pretty barding.
>>46115185
I wanted to do something like that too, but no motivation to actually paint all those nutters.Googling 'Sigmarite' keeps giving me AoS images. Damn it, Google, I thought you were cool
>>46115081
Please, any help on using these units to build a semi useful 2000pts list would be great, I'm a brand new player and I'd like a solid starting point until I learn enough about the game.
>>46117134
It is alrightish. The developers keep churning out updates and improving the game, but so far we've got only 4 warbands and any new ones seem far off. Plus, it can get a bit repetitive when you learn to fight on your own terms and realise that the AI takes exactly the same amount and kind of units that you take, so if you hate impressives, just don't take yours.
But in the end I'd say it can provide a good amount of fun, just buy it discounted.
>>46111446
40k is so dark because there is no good in the setting. Everyone is evil or suffering. Life has literally no value, a common soldier is worth less than his gear.
In Fantasy there's at least innocents, people with decent lives, and true good.
Can the Empire wizards wear pants?
>>46117682
When you have a license to go without pants in public, you damn well use it.
>>46117682
No otherwise people would think that they're dishonest
>>46115081
>Using zombies
>ever
>>46112326
Arabs leading Arabs doesn't lead to regiments of renown.
>>46117941
Hey, they can be helpful if you want something to throw at the enemy and slow them down for a turn or two. 100+ is a waste, but if he cuts down on them, saves the points for something else, he can still have enough for a bunker and a tarpit.
>>46112243
That guy in the front of the column isn't broken yet.
>>46118170
Nein. Nein nein nein. Drown zee untermensch in bone!
>>46117941
>>46118170
I'm not sure you guys are reading the post you are replying too.
I'm not giving showing you my list, i'm showing you what I have access to and I want help turning it into a 2000 pts list. All the zombies can be cut.
>>46118210
Probably why the Dark Elf lady in the coach is eyeing him.
>>46118278Ersaufe den Untermenschen in Knochen!Need me to transalte something else for ya Mr Kürbisgärtner?
