Yo, waddup
Decent
Why are you talking to yourself? That said, we getting any more vamps?
A nice card in limited, I guess
I guess hes delivering the bad news to Reckless Waif, that he's taking her spot as the new one drop hotness in werewolves. Also, have we gotten a mentor of the meek callback yet?
>>46088682
Nope, not yet, there's that bishop that investigates when weenies etb, but that's it
>>46088049
Not an unblockable untargetable 10/10 with five activated abilities for 0 mana, into the trash it goes.
Why did they only reveal 4 of this cycle?
I assume there's a black one out there.
>>46089409
Actually now that I look at it, the white isn't part of that cycle either.
>>46089409
I think tooth collector was the black card, and topplegeist is the white part of the cycle
![secondharvest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DRdpg7Z.jpg "secondharvest[1].jpg")
It's like populate, only more.
>>46089425
Yeah, it's not a Repeat. It's just a bonus.
![confirmedsuspicions[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/giSz0FP.jpg "confirmedsuspicions[1].jpg")
>Confirm Suspicions
>3UU
>Instant
>Counter target spell.
>Investigate three times. (Put a colorless Clue artifact token onto the battlefield with "2, Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
Trash outside of limited unless investigate somehow becomes extremely important.
>>46089449
good with clues, good with secure the wastes, pia and kiran nalaar, good with hangarback walker and good with scions. Could be interesting.
>>46088049
Great for my wolf tribal deck
>>46089467
Counters a spell and turns on metalcraft
>>46089490
You really should have metalcraft already by the time you can cast a 5 mana counterspell.
>>46089409
Topplegeist and Tooth Collector are the white and black cards of the cycle.
That being said, I really like the devil with delirium.
>>46089409
Does the devil have a necklace of ears?
>>46089502
I know, I was joking. It gives 3 clues for Tamiyo's journal at least
>>46089504
>>46089442
Topplegeist and Tooth Collector makes the most sense since the both have the ETB effect that is repeated with delirium.
But on the other hand those two break the mold that the new three have.
>1. The each cost 2, one colored and one generic
>2. They each have an "insane" name, Obsessive, Gibbering and Manic.
I'm unconvinced.
>>46089549
The cmc difference might be explained by development, that sometimes messes up the numbers.
They are also all 5 at uncommon (even though uncommon in a preconstructed deck does not necessarily mean that its uncommon in the set).
You're right about the names though.
>>46089520
Noclue.
>>46089549
Actually it's because they're all uncommons that have a delirium trigger at the beginning of each opponent's upkeep.
![parallelevolution[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/L4eMx9C.jpg "parallelevolution[1].jpg")
>>46089449
Which is better though?
>>46089661
that thing doesn't copy clue tokens
>>46089409
If you look closer at the art on manic scribe, you see that he has the quills sticking through the palms of his hands and he has extra fingers
>>46089689
And the Paranoid Parish-Blade has a tentacle poking out of his left arm.
>>46089689
Pretty sure Obsessive skinner is skinning humans.
They all seem to be doing something disturbing.
>>46089449
Pod people!
![SGie3eh7cA[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/y8kAPay.png "SGie3eh7cA[1].png")
Kind of wish this was the normal art for the card, looks way better.
I swear this is the set of adorable jank combos. I love it.
>Falkenrath Gorger and Olivia, Mobilized for War for dumping an entire hand of vampires with a +1/+1 counter and haste on to the battlefield at any time.
>Briarbridge Patrol and Tamiyo's Journal to sacrifice three clues to put any creature into your hand from your library and to put that creature on to the battlefield at the end of your turn.
>Neglected Heirloom on Avacynian Missionaries for a 7/7 for 4W that exiles a card when it transforms at the end of turn.
>Odric, Lunarch Marshal and Elusive Tormentor flipped into Insidious Mist for a board that's indestructible and hexproof during combat.
What other ridiculous Christmasland combos are there?
>>46089661
I'd say Second Harvest. The lesser cost is very big, seeing how this followed by a quick overrun should be your finisher.
>>46089661
Second Harvest.
>1 less CMC
>Instant
>copies every token there is no matter the type
>>46089759
Briarbridge Patrol + Tamiyo's Journal is a cute interaction.
I wonder if it'll be viable in a Eldrazi ramp type of deck.
>>46089467
what does the flavour say
>>46089802
>and it only touches you
>>46089802
Now if only there was more sources of Equipment and Enchantment tokens.
>>46089809
Keep in mind it still needs other methods of clue generation. If you're not splatting your Timmybeast on the board on the board by the end of turn five, the tempo gained is meaningless.
>>46089812
Everythbody hides something.
I don't even speak spanish.
>>46089759
Odric feels like the most magical christmasland enabler ever. With new Sigarda you get him hexproof at all times and give it and flying to the team at combat. Farbog Revenant gives the team skulk and lifelink, and there's probably a lot more better cards to milk with Odric.
>>46090097
>Odric feels like the most magical christmasland enabler ever.
Not ever, Newdric is just Concerted Effort 2.0. Concerted Effort + Progenitus gave all your dudes protection from everything, you just needed something else to give them all indestructible.
Blue got, literally, one good card thisbset so far
The rest is milling trash, rare overcosted counterspells, useless enchantments that do nothing by themselves and investigation/clue shit that is parasitic as fuck and will only work in this specific Standard environment.
>>46089467
Eh, drawing three cards is nothing to sneeze at. Still it seems like this could easily have cost 2UU instead, or UUU and only two tokens. Yet another cool card idea with an unfortunately inflated cost.
Also I love how we have like 20 cards of Jace just walking around going "woah" at everything.
It's not... bad, I guess
>everything, even green, gets clue support
>except for red
Hopefully, it also gets some.
I want to build WUR Artifacts/Clues with the Origin cards and Reflector/Displacer.
>>46090191
Actually, out of the parasitic clue things we've seen so far, only one is blue. The others are green (Briarbridge Patrol) and colorless (Tamiyo's Journal). Even then, these cards at least produce clues for themselves to exploit.
The clue mechanic in and of itself isn't parasitic, cards that rely on clues for an effect are parsitic. Even then, all of them but Daring Sleuth provide clues. It's not a powerful mechanic but so far, the parasitic accusation is baseless.
>>46090325
>red investigating things
>ever
>>46090311
Oh hey flavor text that doesn't suck dick.
>>46090325
Grixis gets Madness, Bant gets Investigate, Delirium is for everyone.
>Babby Jace fits incredibly well in deck idea
>fucker costs like $90 now
Fuck
>>46089409
I think that RDW might be possible now.
Was skeptical at first due to everything Red being vampires but some of this stuff doesn't seem to be too bad.
>>46090369
RDW was always possible my g
No one expects T1 Zurgo into T2 Call of the Full Moon
>>46090311
ok, that's clearly an Eldrazi tentacle coming out of his wrist
>>46090392
Perhaps, but I need a deck for an upcoming GP and I'm broke as fuck.
Was planning on building some other deck but everything else is expensive as fuck.
"Eternal Vigil"
1WW
Enchantment
Non-token creatures you control gain +1/+1 and vigilance.
Will white weenie be viable this standard?
>>46090364
Baby Jace fits well in every deck idea, that's why he's so expensive. He's just good.
>>46090413
I know, he's crazy good. That looting and -3 for this deck though, HNNNNG
Wish I had bought a set when he was $15 or whatever, I could have stomached that. Origins is under-opened too so I only see his price climbing in the future
>>46090311
>That tentacle
Wizards sure is giving fuel for every possible theory of what the mystery of cryptoliths is aren't they? Making us go mad with ideas....
I really want to love this card, especially the flip because Prowess is that good shit, but something about it just feels not-good
>>46090453
And the flip
>>46090459
>>46090453
based Seb McKinnon, I love his art
>>46090180
A) Concerted Effort doesn't die to a bolt or removal in general
B) Concerted Effort is during upkeep not combat
C) Odric doesn't give protection
>>46090459
This really reminds me of bloodborne for some reason
>>46090469
Generic eldritch Victorian aesthetic?
>>46090490
No just his style, it's very refreshing compared to the generic CG pseudo-realism stuff
He did Topplegeist in SOI too
>>46090413
Don't worry, they'll reprint him and Ugin next duels deck.
>>46090412
>Anafenza
>Knight of White ochid
>Kytheon
>Toppelgeist
>Arashin Foremost
I guess so? Although there will be a lot of boardwipes after this set comes out.
>>46090476
>Victorian setting beset by eldritch horrors from the beyond
>Investigating THE TRUTH
They are very similar but I doubt it was on purpose. That piece in particular is very reminiscent of BB
>>46090555
It reminds me of my goddamned cat just slowly pushing on things until they fall over.
>>46090506
I pulled a foil of this card in a draft a little while ago, it's gorgeous. Too bad the card itself is fucking awful.
Will Zombie Reanimator be viable in this standard?
>>46090581
Topplegeist a cute
>>46090408
So what do we know about the horror hiding in Innistrad
It can twist body like we can see on Magnifying Glass and Incorrigible Youths
It also corrupt matter like we can see on Daring Sleuth and Thrabe inspector
It like tentacles like we can see on Paranoid Parish-Blade and again on Incorrigible Youths
It probably hide in/ will appear in/is related in some way with the Drownyard like Epiphany at the Drownyard and Drownyard Temple hint
Now there is still thing we don't know, does it control Nahiri or does Nahiri act alone to attract this horror to Innistrad to take revenge on Sorin. I would go with the first hypothesis because it seems that this entity is able to make people angry,Nahiri is a lithomancer and making Avacyn and the angel go on a crusade against the human isn't something her magic could do, but maybe I'm wrong about that. So the entity first manipulated Nahiri and then through her Avacyn and the angels.
I want it to be Marit Lage.
It probably won't be them.
>>46090630
My theory is rather than as vengeance against Sorin for whatever the slight against her was, she has chosen to unleash or summon an ancient horror trapped on his plane (or Emrakul).
She is likely using the cryptoliths to this end and she may or may not be the one corrupting Avacyn using the cryptoliths. Whatever the case, she is likely the instigator and doing this of her own free will without manipulation for a spiteful, petty reason.
>>46090625
More likely than it is in a lot of other standards but you'll be expected to splash blue.
Not only but WotC has spent the last week showing off planeswalkers and RB vampires, so you'll need to wait until next week for any zombie goodness.
>>46090555
>Wasting trips on lies
WotC is notorious for copying anything their shit employees like.
>>46090706
hmm, thought there wouldn't be any space for blue since there are some great zombies in DTK and Origins
>>46089746
You don't like collar-bone eyes?
>>46090630
I figure it's yet another case of "good aligned character corrupted by eldritch abomination", which I really think is overdone and lame by this point. If it's just Nahiri acting alone that would be intense though. I mean, she's trying really hard to destroy the plane with the monster she's luring in.
>>46090710
Bloodborne wasn't out by the time design and development started on this set.
>>46090710
>>46090752
>overdone and lame by this point
In Magic or just in general? I don't disagree
>>46090630
>>46090670
Considering that Nahiri seems to be focusing her efforts on the ocean, TITI's flip flavor text, the clue token's flavor text, and the Gitrog toad being one of the horrors cults worship, I'd say that Nahiri's fishing for something native to Innistrad
>>46090752
>If it's just Nahiri acting alone that would be intense though.
especially if she gets murdered for it
Planeswalkers playing nice is boring, and the main reason I'm butthurt they didn't let the Garruk/Liliana thing play out a bit more.
I really hope Nahiri is acting of her own accord, we don't get enough white-aligned bad guys
>>46090630
This is clearly the work of the Cabal.
>>46090794
I'd argue we have too many bad guys and open plot threads already, and that the best antagonist already has the color nailed.
>>46090453
I know that the name already belongs to Sakura-tribe Elder, but I'm calling him steve.
>>46090710
They'd been wanting to do Gothic horror as a set for a while, but couldn't convince the higher ups it would be popular until they talked them into it by showing how popular vampires and werewolves currently were because of Twilight, and then they managed to make Innistrad.
>>46090794
If she is summoning Emrakul, we aren't finding out in this set. They've already spoiled a white artifact with an anthem effect as card number 001, so no colourless creatures in the set.
>>46090811
>we have too many bad guys and open plot threads already
I suppose but I guess you gotta keep people interested with new characters and such
>the best antagonist already has the color nailed
I agree
>>46090778
Yeah, I'd say this is the sort of thing that gets her killed even if she's just being mind controlled or something.
>>46090811 Is right about too many current threats. This set should be cut and dry with a clear resolution.
>>46090812
Why do either fit the name Steve? What am I missing?
>>46090843
That isn't Heliod
>>46089449
Gonna show a friend so he can build his angry farmer/squirrel deck he's always wanted
>>46090857
theros was terrible
>>46090857
Heliod just has a massive ego, no interest in the greater good at all
>>46090476
The lamps with legs show up in the Nightmare of Mensis alongside the eyes balls with legs.
>>46090864
The fluff was occasionaly bad. The cards where for the most cases good.
>>46090870
That wasn´t even his ego. He was just a massive paranoid asshole for the sake of it.
>>46089449
great secret tech for eldrazi :^)
>>46089449
Woah, synergy everywhere, into the edh it goes
>>46089449
With powers like that, you gotta wonder why they gave up the pagan rituals, I don't think Avacyn would have minded.
>>46090884
>The fluff was occasionaly bad. The cards where for the most cases good.
>Theros
>mostly good cards
Is this bait?
>>46090884
>The fluff was occasionaly bad
Which is a real bummer because I'm such a sucker for Greek mythology
I want more white human weenie tokens to go with the abbey, Sigarda and the double-token sorcery.
It feels kind of weird. They have so many pointers towards pushing WG Token Weenies and a bunch of decent support for them, yet we don't really have a single good token generator in white or green so far.
>>46090915
It had Eidolon of the great revel, courser of kruphix, gray merchant of asphodel and hero's downfall. That's about it.
>>46090928
We're still missing more than half of the cards in the set
>>46090934
I think all the gods see edh play as commanders too. Well, maybe not Heliod and Nylea.
>>46090934
Thoughtseize reprint too
>>46090912
Avacyn killed a fucking angel who wanted to make peace with the devils and shit. She would not like it when people start making clones from corn
>>46089449
>"Now neither of us will be virgins!"
>>46090934
Nykthos wasn't that bad, and functioned as a budget Coffers/Cradle for any colour in EDH
>>46090849
Sakura-Tribe elder is called steve because STE... and people needed a nickname for him.
I'm calling this guy steve becauseblue's clues.
>>46090915
>mostly good cards. Is this bait?
No it isn´t. It´s just my personal opinion. You´re free to disregard it.
>>46090934
Good old courser. Traded my playset of him and later good my shit kicked in repeatedly. Same happened with snapcaster.
Anyway, are we getting new spoilers tommorrow or next week?
>>46090952
I've seen a couple Heliod decks, they were both weenie overrun
Never seen Nylea though
>>46090981
>are we getting new spoilers tommorrow or next week?
Well this was on
>>46091002
where's the down side?
>>46091022
It's a two-drop rare, why should it have a downside?
>>46091002
Delirium Skeins reprint pls
>>46091002
I want to fuck her. I would even give her a bit of my blood if she let me fuck her
>>46090945
Yes, I know, but we're through a good chunk of the rares and mythics already and don't have one good "Whoa so many tokend!" Card among them so far.
>>46091040
Usually black creatures still say something like can't block or come into play tapped when they have power greater than their cmc
>>46091044
One with nothing reprint please
>>46091002
>upgraded Blood Scrivener in block with Madness, and with Madness itself
I like it.
go ahead nerds, salivate over all the meme junk cards
I already have multiple playsets of the best SOI card
>>46091040
I'm just having a hard time believing that it isn't retardedly, insanely powerful.
>>46091002
strictly better blood scrivener? The BR vampire deck just gets more and more insane, especially with Drana and Kalitas still around
>>46091075
Future sight? You're telling me they're reprinting future sight?
>>46091081
>>46091090
Well, Blood Scrivener wasn't particularly powerful either.
>>46091108
No you stupid nerd
It's Eerie Interlude
I'm going to have so much fun wiping you nerds out when I finish learning to play
>>46091053
>"a bit"
Vamps, not even once
>>46091140
>when I finish learning to play
>>46091108
Nah, they're reprinting the best card.
Better watch out Sorin, he's coming for your plane.
>>46091002
Jeleva says hi. Hope we see more of the Nephalia vamps.
>>46090915
A set can have good cards without them being powerful. I thought a lot of the Theros cards did a good job of bringing out the flavor of that world and some of them were quite mechanically interesting as well.
>>46091053
Thanks for sharing
>>46088049
So a RDW with 4x this and 4x Goblin Glory Chaser is basically guaranteed a 2/2 with menace on t2 most games. Plus they can run a few Zurgos.
That seems cool.
>>46091111
>>46091081
>>46091067
The downside is that you lose one life. That's black's downside.
>>46091233
>basically guaranteed a 2/2 with menace on t2
>play messenger
>opponent plays 1 drop
>no 2/2
>>46091176
>tfw this will probably be the last landwalk card ever printed
>>46091289
>Opponent plays 1 drop
What do you think this is, Modern?
>>46091289
Wow thanks anon, I completely missed that werewolf clause on the werewolf card!
Oh, but you also missed this greentext:
>play goblin glory chaser
>opponent plays 1 drop
>no renown
or even better:
>play a creature
>opponent kills it
>why did you bother trying?
>>46091176
>>46091176
>>46091352
could someone explain this meme to me please
>>46091176
If you don't attack on your next turn, there is no declare attackers step
Does the turtle disappear then ?
>>46091388
You can't skip steps of your turn, you simply choose to ignore them, they still happen.
>>46091388
there is always a declare attackers step. if you don't declare attackers (on the declare attackers step) then the declare blockers and damage steps are skipped.
>>46091376
A memorial to the Durdle Turtle, may his towering shell one day rest in peace.
>>46091002
HELLBENT BOB
>>46091388
>If you don't attack on your next turn, there is no declare attackers step
>>46091376
it's an epic reddit meme friend, you wouldnt get it
>>46091376
Meandering towershell was a big goofy card printed in Khans of tarkir which was flavorful as a giant tortoise taking an entire turn just to attack because it was so slow, earning him the nickname of Dyrdle Turtle.Then in the new timeline of Dragons of Tarkir, this alternate version of him was printed
>>46091402
>>46091405
Oh, okay
We learn something new everyday
>>46091176
>>46091352
Best flavor
>>46091376
Everyone was longing for a card that could be called 'durdleturtle' and one designer gushed about how it was the card he loved the most out of all the cards he designed because of how he worded the attacks-on-the-turn-after-you-send-it-to-attack mechanic. It was just generally received as a really cool card, nevermind its playability.
Then this happened.
>>46091422
>Dyrdle
I'm gonna assume you typoed rather than assume you're an asshole.
>>46091447
That run-on sentence is worthy of Faulkner
>>46091447
>nevermind its playability
I have a deck that wild pairs durdle turtle with novablast wurm. It's beautiful.
>>46091459
yeah, sorry. That was a miss-type. I'm not sure dyrdle is even a word
>>46091477
One could say it wasmeandering.
>>46091480
You monster. I love you.
>>46089409
>8 lines of rules text
Hope we get some good flavortext on the commons. I won't complain too much since mechanics are always more interesting than vanilla creatures, but it's a shame Delirium takes up so much space in the box.
>>46091500
CARLOS GET OUT
>>46091426
Eventually you'll learn to not post opinions on topics you know nothing about.
>>46091843
New waifu thalia when?
>>46091839
That was a question, not an opinion
Please learn to read before answering anything
>>46091843
There we go, that's the right shit.
>>46091843
New champion of the Parish, but slower
>>46091843
[white weenie intensifies]
>>46091861
When do we get the new Zombie and Spirit legends?
>>46091877
It actually does something late game though in a human deck. champion would just be a 1/1
>>46091920
Noice
![stromkirkmentor[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4okPzsW.jpg "stromkirkmentor[1].jpg")
>>46088682
He got vamped.
>>46091920
Neat.
>>46091920
Ok, non-native English speaker here. What's Fold supposed to mean in this context?
>>46091920
Fucking sweet.
>>46090192
Imagine how much 'woah'-ing Jace will make when he and Tamiyo visit Kamigawa to learn about Bolas and the Umezawa line
>>46091920
the madness thing is really good, but still a decent number of creatures with low toughness, especially amongst the vampires and werewolves before transforming
>>46091920
Its....shit?
>>46091843
Whelp, time to buy Kytheons
>>46091957
the group
>>46091957
Looks like cult.
>>46091957
Fold in this case is like "welcome to the club"
>>46091957
organization or group.
>>46091957
In this context, fold means a group with a common purpose or beliefs. The card's name basically means "welcome to our team".
>>46091977
>>46091980
>>46091983
>>46091985
>>46091997
Thanks
>>46091920
Worse Threads of Disloyalty on a sorcery, that can be cost the same thing as the original one if it's discarded. Awful.
>>46092072
Can be cast for the same cost with Madness but wouldn't control a 2 or less toughness creature
>>46091957
A fraternity of critters that can't block
There's no mana left untapped
Got lots a cards to share
Pull up on easy chairWelcome to the Fold-y thieves
>>46091920
>getting your creatures stolen if unfun, and generates toxic behaviour but we need a "control magic" effect for blue every single set to check the box. I got it! Let's make it shit.
>>46092072
It doesn't work like threads at all. This cares about Toughness, not CMC.
It's obviously bad outside dedicated Madness decks.
>>46092072
but it can get something bigger for paying more. It's far more versatile.
>>46092072
Dude, Threads is ALREADY sorcery-speed and this can be cast as an instant if cast with Madness. Threads doesn't scale like Fold, costs 1 more than Fold is discarded, and was almost $30 at one point.
This is a really strong card.
>>46092106
into the fold isn't an aura though, it's a sorcery, so there's nothing to destroy to get the creature back
>>46092072
>>46092093
You're right, it's not even similarly costed under a specific condition.
The only thing it has going for it is the fact it's a sorcery.
Which one is most likely to give birth to their race deck?
Rank them from best to worst.
>>46090928
It's the clue tokens they want to push not actual creature tokens
Anyways there are a lot of eldrazi scion token generators, maybe they'd like that pushed
>>46092120
Not the same anon but
>really strong
Maybe in limited or even standard but I think REALLY strong is still pushing it. Every other format has access to better mind control effects.
>>46092154
Oh, yeah, I should've mentioned I was rating it for Standard.
>>46090555
>you will never be beset upon by a topplegeist that doesn't spook you or torment you
>just pushes shit over while you're doing chores around the house
>>46092143
Honestly, Rattlechains could be the start of a viable modren spirit deck.
Flashing in Kira or Geist of Saint traft seems real fucking good.
Also Topplegeist.
There is a 100% chance for a standard R/B Vampire deck.
>>46091022
The downside is that it's quite hard to get someone's hand empty.
>>46092106
Fold isn't an aura so it isn't affected by enchantement destruction
Fold doesn't care about the toughness of the creature once it resolved so a pump spell won't return the creature to it's owner control.
>>46092143
Vamp > Human > Spirit (might be overrating) > Zombie > Wolf
>>46092143
gorger is currently the best due to the high number of other powerful vampires we've seen. Not really as much of the other tribes so far to compare, but zombies have relentless dead to help
>>46092143
All of them will see play.
>>46092143
From best to worse
>Red
>Green
>Blue
>Black
>White
>>46092143
Lieutenant has the strongest tribal effects by far, but Falkenrath Gorger is playable outside of a tribal deck.
Basically, the vampire will get played even if vampires as an archetype takes off, but the human is the one most likely to create a deck on its own.
>>46092143
zombie and human seem primed to be cornerstones of standard tribal builds. the vamp looks like he'd be strong for the br madness vamps being pushed, but I think it's more likely that a generic red or br aggro deck runs it for just plain efficiency, and also maybe some cheap vampires because he's there. rattlechains might make something happen in modern, goodstuff/niche spirits has more to work with reaching back to INN and kamigawa. the wolf wants to make a werewolf deck work, but werewolves are garbage, so unless some regular old wolves show up being incredible, it's not worth it.
>>46092143
Lieutenant = Gorger > Rattlerattle = Colossus > Partisan
Keep in mind that Dragon Hunter, Expedition Envoy, and Kytheon will all be legal in Standard once SOI rotates in. That's 12 Serra Lions.
>>46092143
Im operating under the assumption that you mean for limited and:
>1. Thalias Lieutenant
Humans fairly consistently have good support and white weenies is likely to prevail.
>2. Rattlechains
Havent seen a lot of spirits but instant speed creatures is a big deal and giving evasion can help a lot.
>3. Falkenreath Gorger
Potential to give vampires psuedo flash but requires extra support, however vamps seem strong right now in limited so they could take the number 2 or even 1 with good pulls.
>4. Both the Colossus and Wolfir
Theyre the highest cmc and both make tokens if conditions are met. Unfortunately theres not enough spoiled right now in either tribe to know which will perform better. For now Im voting that zombies will be better but that could change with a couple spoiled wolves.
>>46092143
They're all alright, but except for the vampires all the other cards shown so far of each tribe look kind of weak.
vampire > zombie > wolf > human > spirit ?
>>46092196
>green second best
>not absolute worst
you are smoking some preemo shit, dude.
>>46092242
Humans can kinda lean on cards from earlier sets though, since they tend show up a lot.
>>46092250
It does trigger off your own spells, which I think makes it easier to get value out of, though in hindsight I think I would put it lower
>>46092304
white weenie humans is definitely going to have a lot of options, the question is just whether it gets there. I think the vigil's a good sign, when's the last time we had a three mana anthem?
>>46092242
humans should be higher since all the werewolves are also human until they transform. All the flip walkers from Origins(with the exception of nissa) are also human.
>>46092143
It really depend of the rest of the cards,
Falkenrath synergise very well with the rest of the vampire spoiled so far.
With Thalia's Lieutenant,Thraben Inspector and Eternal Vigil we will see some white weenie deck.
Rattlechains will probably see play in modern but there isn't a lot of good spirit in standard right now
For the two other they are nice but there isn't a lot of support for them in standard for the moment.
>>46092328
I want to use him in a deck with Zada and that cantrip that gives haste.
>>46092328
fair point I didn't remember, but I think the vast majority of times you're going to play it, maybe get some value, then your opponent basically spends a removal spell to blank its text box.
>>46092143
Can someone explain to me how the colossus isn't a strong contender for the best of this cycle? It's easily a 3/3 or 4/4 with no effort, potentially much larger as a late-game draw and gives you free bears for doing what you would already be doing. That all sounds quite good to me. Surely the problem can't entirely be the 1 extra mana in the cost right?
>>46091861
This
Where is everybodies' favorite white weenie waifu?
>>46092369
mindraped by avacyn
>>46092366
the tokens cone into play tapped, otherwise it would probably just be rated insanely stupid powerful. also if you drop it early it might be 3/3 or 4:4, but it stays there forever, so you play it early and get a potential token maker that's relatively fragile, or you play it late for a fatty thatcan be chumped. it's good, but most of the others are very aggressive. there also haven't been a lot of zombie shenanigans spoiled, so it doesn't have a lot of obvious prospects in standard or limited yet.
>>46092366
He's good but he's slow. If there shows up more good zombies he'll get played for sure, but not having evasion and the tokens entering tapped is a big deal.
>>46092143
Standard:
Vampire>human=zombie>spirit>wolf
The zombie and spirit ones could move up easily with better creatures spoiled. Rattlechains could also be interesting in Modern with Kamigawa spirits.
>>46092366
we haven't seen many other good zombies so far other than Relentless Dead. It's hard to say it will be good without other good zombies to use it with.
>>46091070
Why? It's shit. The value comes from madness enablers that a) do something themselves and b) offer some reward for discarding cards.
>>46092366
It's slow. Very, very slow. It also requires some setup to be ok.
>>46092369
literalraped by avacyn
>>46091090
BR Vamps list is getting tight.
>>46091070
That would be way too crazy in a set with madness.
>>46092469
>>46091090
BR vampires builds itself. It's be the scrub tribal deck that literally everyone builds, expect decent players to build counters asap.
>>46092369
new sigarda
>>46092152
I just can't convince myself that the entire reason for a token duplication spell would be clue tokens, especially with allt he tribal support in the set.
And doubling scions sounds pretty mediocre at best.
So, what are the best Madness enablers we know of so far? Jace is obviously great, but I'd prefer not running something like Ravenous Bloodseeker jsut to be an enabler.
>>46092492
BR vamps is going to epic for the win you hater, like BW warriors were before it. Tier 0 is here!
>>46092492
So it's the new BW Warriors then
>>46092492
I'm holding out that we get some more cool zombies and try to build that while everyone is clamoring for vampires. There were a few interesting reprints from original innistrad in origins(mainly skaabs), nantuko husk, fleshbag marauder, and sidisi undead vizier will still be legal in standard
>>46092469
>>46092492
BR vampires has to be decent, especially now we know there's a vampire blood scrivener around to help counteract the empty hand.
Grab your avaricious dragons and commune with the lava ASAP!
>>46092515
Lightning Axe is the other one I know of. Makes me wary of playing 4 of pic related
>>46092515
macabre waltz
>>46092588
I forgot about that guy. The thick plottens.
>>46092591
Good one, since almost all the vamps will be prime removal targets
>>46092515
There's some blue spell from the leaked booster cards that lets you get stuff in the yard
>>46092591
>>46092590
Both waltz and axe are good, but at the same time you do want repeatable effects if possible.
I guess the vamp that turns into mist could be good as well.
>>46092497
Well let's look at it in the sense that they would do everything to make the mechanics they add in a set playable, and so we will see cards from time to time that will push that mechanic while making sure it will still be playable in other decks
>>46092364
Yeah. I rated it more highly because it can still be used outside of a tribal shell to decent effect.
>>46092515
These are the madness enablers we know, this time with multi-colored cards too.
>>46092664
heir of falkenrath, ravenous bloodseeker, lightning axe and macabre waltz are probably the best to use.
Compelling deterence is more of a zombie tribal card than a madness enabler
>>46092692
But it could be used as one, if your need is that dire.
>>46092684
I'm hesitant to call that decent. it's a 3 mana 2/2 begging for removal and you need to blow your load all over it to get much upside. i'd accuse it of being worse outside of a tribal shell since in a tribal shell you can at least play it, attack with an earlier dude and pump that to make tokens.
Does this count as discarding? The cards going to the graveyard weren't in your hand to begin with
>>46092729
The cards going to the graveyard weren't in your hand to begin with
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