on time new thread this time
discuss the Warcraft setting and it's viability for tabletop gaming, while making sure to abuse the word headcanon as much as possible
FEEL THE HATRED OF TEN THOUSAND YEARS edition
Moonkin are titan remnants
:^)
>>46008237
>FEEL THE HATRED OF TEN THOUSAND YEARS
>Would a hug make you feel better, Illidan?
>How abouta nude portrait of Tyrande?
>Will anything make you drop the emo act and go stab the fuck out of Kil'jaeden?
I ask because that is seriously a core premise of a campaign I'm planning.The 'knock that shit out and team up with us' thing, not the nude portrait thing.
>>46008369
I think all he'd need to actually go after Kil'jaeden is for the adventurers from Azeroth to help him instead of kill him because Akama is butthurt that draenei are manlets and shitty fighters
>>46008369
a pimp slap
![latest[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/0ukZZe6.png "latest[1].png")
>>46008237
>>46008455
RIP
>>46008467
>>46008455
Fuck Kosak.
![planetfargo-the-short-white-hunter-20041209105731362[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wYrxNpp.jpg "planetfargo-the-short-white-hunter-20041209105731362[1].jpg")
>>46008480
he's just improving your memories for the future generations, anon :^)
>>46008455
thanks for giving up your birthright and your men's lives for Stormwind's safety
heh heh stupid goy
>>46008425
>>46008429
Basically planning on having the party smash through a Legion siege outside BT, smack Illidan across the horns and go
>Bitch, we're killing demons!
>You remember when you used to kill demons?
>Let's go fucking kill demons!
Because I know my players, and if there are two things they can always be relied upon to do, it's try the diplomatic option and to adopt everyone that could even vaguely be an ally.
Big issue is trying to make it their choice and avoiding setting up that route as the 'right' one, without making it look like it isn't a viable option.
Because my group can also react like deer in headlights to being given multiple options without one being clearly 'right.' It's kind of difficult to work with, as I don't want to railroad them, even into something they'd like, but a situation without a clear answer can leave them spending three sessions trying to decide what to do.
Less than a few hours until my copy of Chronicle arrives
Hype
https://a.pomf.cat/hvtfut.webm
>>46008237
So what's your thoughts on the "energy sources" that have been unveiled in pic related?
I'm unsure about it. I dislike that they're illustrated in such clean cut sections and I feel they should be more intertwined, but on the other hand, seeing how Blizzard still draws heavily from Norse mythology, incorporating the different "realms" is a cool reference. Now if it actually was more like the actual "realms" where the forces themselves were neutral instead of Dungeons and Dragons "HERE THERE BE HELLSPAWNS IF YOU COME HERE YOU ARE SHITFUCKREKKED FOREVER", it would be splendid.
>>46008369
Blizzard has never handled "insanity" that well, at least on a personal level. Like most fantasy settings, "mad", "insane", "crazy" are just poorly elaborated justifications for a person to act unreasonably evil.
Illidan was described as "going insane" in TBC. The way his "insanity" manifested would indicate a heavy trauma that he couldn't really process, which led to him constantly repeating the battle at icecrown in his head with him emerging victorious, coupled with PTSD because come on he got ultraslashed by a cursed sword and left to die in the snow. This would lead to isolation out of paranoia and volatile moodswings based in a destabilised personality.
Do any of those things sound like they could be treated by a single hug?
For a team-up situation, you should probably think more about directing his anger, giving him a concrete target to vent all his anger and bitterness.
It's not even that much of a stretch to declare Kil'Jaeden as the source of all his anger. If it wasn't for the Legion corrupting the Highborne and attacking Azeroth, the retaliating forces wouldn't have had a reason to blow up the Well of Eternity.
Sure, he still would never have seen Tyrande's titties, but live would have proceeded as normal, he would've been praised as a highly talented sorceror at court and may have found new love while his brother scratched squirrel shit off his cloak.
So is the only thing Slithid have going for them is numbers? Numbers and being above average durability bugs?
>>46008804
Dom the silithids also operate on a hive mind? That said, yeah, the main silithid strengths are numbers and durability. Plus, they have a further reach than people are prepared for. Remember that the furthest North silithid were sighted were in the southern Barrens.
>>46008626
>Chronicles
>Want to preorder from Amazon
>TFW no credit card
>Look up local mailorders that don't require credit card
>It instantly costs twice as much
Luckily I got a friend with a CC. Probably going to take forever. Better than having my wallet emptied.
>>46008804
Azjol-Nerub here, Silithids are fags
>>46008869
Not even a Debit card you can use as a Credit Card?
>>46008893
>>46008848
Ok here me out.
We take Slithids...
And make them Slivers.
Still same looks and all, just the sliver hive buff benefits.
>>46008917
>>46008898
None that is accepted by amazon as far as I can tell.
>>46008917
>>46008949
Why do Silithids need anything? They're just a swarming bug horde the Qiraj used as a precursor force.
>>46009157
>Why do Silithids need anything?
They don't. And I like Kalimdor NOT covered in giant bugs, thank you.
Any chance that the epub or pdf version of Chronicle will be up tomorrow?
>>46009216
Tell that to the abundance of giant scorpids and spiders.
>>46009157
Kinda the same on why would the mantid want to keep attacking the wall?
Sure it helps kill off the weak and pick out the strong in society, but what happens when they finally break it, keep on devouring the land until they move off pandaria?
Apparently this is some Private Server remodel of Stromgarde City.
>>46009407
I don't think they actually COULD break it if they kept to their predictable cycle,m they jsut wanted to keep culling till an Old God came back to tell them what to do.
>>46009434
And put their greatest warriors in amber.
Think the only cool thing the mantid had going for them, encasing them to use in future battles or if the queen goes crazy and needs to be killed.
>>46009434
https://ifunny.co/tags/stromgarde er forgot the link,
>>46009542
It's really not that good of an edit.
It's actually quite horrid.
>>46009632
Is that a Mr. T Nightelf head on a dwarf rifleman body?
All I really like it for is the castle.
What makes it horrid?
MAKE
ALTERAC
GREAT
AGAIN
>>46009668
Tons of clipping with the houses going through walls and each other; too many buildings just for the sake of looking "populated". They're also all just two story farm houses and farm houses -- nothing in between.
Also, the castle is just as shit, and is just a cathedral covered in crap.
>>46009715
Are any of the outer towers explorable?
And yeah AI just noticed a little bit of the clipping.
They should have tried to paste over a few SW or Stratholme city blocks to make it more urban.
When will stormwind retake the eastern kingdoms and reinstate the legacy of the empire of arathor?
>>46009752
>Are any of the outer towers explorable?
Kek kek kek. They're all just paper dolls; empty shells.
Just like this mage tower. Sure, it looks like the towers are connected, but the one in the back is also a paper doll. Also, they gave the mage tower on the bottom a weird red-white tile set.
>>46009777
never, Lordaeron is still the strongest human kingdom even after the Scourge
looks comfy
>>46009792
That's unfortunate.
But not exactly umprecedented, Blizzard did that a lot. What with only one ring hallway and one center room for the big Orc Fortress, and the totally paper-doll Ancient Nightelf Marble towers.
I meant the outer tower on the castle that was just a Scout tower by the way.
>>46009302
Anyone?
>>46009995
Probably not at all.
It'll need a scan. I have only ever heard announcements for the Hardcover.
>>46009970
Yep. But it's the matter of that's what some modder did.
And then there's modders that do a good job and remake the Capital City of Lordaeron.
>>46010004
There's a Kindle version up on Amazon. How different is that?
>>46010009
go on.
>>46010009
Didn't Blizzard do that themselves?
(And it's basically JUST the palace if we're being honest, the overcity is fucking tiny.
>>46010018
Proprietary/DRMed/Only a license I think, need an actual Kindle to view it?
>>46008237
Illidan didndonuffin, he was getting his life back on track, then those racist players came along and took out the boy!
#demonhunterlivesmatter
>>46010045
Nah, this ruskie did Lordaeron as a project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysXbMC9SLlE
>>46008566
Six hours in photoshop later, here's my initial, very rough map of an alternate universe Outland.
Yes, my handwriting is god awful.
Any good fanfic reqs? I've been on a kick lately
I just reread Frostblood, still buttmad that Jaina and KT didn't shack up. Plus the last few chapters are a little underwhelming
>>46008566
Dude that sounds awesome. Story times when you get done maybe?
That being said, you could give them different options that lead to the same conclusion, just through different filters.
So you say they like to be diplomatic, I got a few diplomatic scenarios that could play out.
>Option one is super simple, players come in, find Illidan battling against Legion forces and they help him fight them off. They manage to convince them they both have enemies to deal with and team up.
>Option two; After breaking into BT to help Illidan figues he'll give them a bone and tells them to retrieve something that he needs for fortifying the BT. If they come back great, but he's not holding his breath as the regent is something that could kill most season adventurers.
>Option Three; They help fight off the seige and Illidan says thanks but fuck off now they can convince him to join by either offering up some new power or even their services to help kill demons, maybe some flattery as well.
Those are a few that come to mind immediatly.
>>46010048
Well, it's a bit shit in that case. We'll see what the morning brings I suppose.
>>46010171
The only fanfic I really liked was that little short story with Terenas and Orgrim.
>>46008660
I feel like you could get away with playing it out like that, the each realm being a nuetral place bit. When you run a game just play it like that as the only area that you REALLY have to worry about would be the Burning legion circle since they are a force with purpose for the explicit means of burning everything to the ground. So like you could go and visit the realm of the Fel, and play it off like the Elemental planes themselves with their own primal intellegences there as before. Since each one that gets further away from the main source will essentially have filters applied to it that will change it somewhat.
That being said I still don't like how the elements are so minor compared to the rest of this shit, also isn't spirit of life supposed to be in there amongst the shamen things?
>>46010048
>Proprietary/DRMed/Only a license I think, need an actual Kindle to view it?
There are lots of free format converters online.
>>46010171
There was diplomacy where Jaina and Thrall shack up and the reverberations of that through out the political landscape.
That being said it feels like there aren't that many good fanfics of warcraft out there that aren't filled with god awful amoutns of OC and their own adventures, I wanna read more about different scenairos with the main cast!
>>46010355
Eh, as long as the OCs are minor I don't mind.
A lot of my favorite stories from Warcraft Legends were basically minor OCs and the problems they faced in life.
Like the Dwarf Blacksmith and his son, or the Farmer who joined an ill-fated militia backed up by a small adventuring party in an attempt to retake Andorhol.
>>46010171
I assume there's copious amounts of coupling involved.Reading it atm.
>>46010222
Link pls.
Reminder he did nothing wrong.
>>46010399
https://powerwordremix.wordpress.com/2013/08/31/the-doomhammer-remix-the-king-and-the-warchief/
It's great if you read them as Tony Jay and Peter Cullen.
>>46010425
he did nothing right either
>>46010171
"Sirens of Azeroth"Story about a wandering group of courtesans involving all races, surprisingly little smut and tastefully done lewds.
>>46010425
even by failing he did the right thing because creating the Arthas/Ner'zhul Lich King was the only thing that stopped the Burning Legion from invading sooner
>>46010486
>arthas was trying to save us all
Good night, sweet prince.
>>46008369
..I'm pretty sure that's an upcoming plot point in Legion.
>>46010486
Not exactly. I think the Scourge did its job dismantling the Legion foothold before Illidan arrived to kill Arthas.
Heck, their main contribution to the Legion Defeat was passing Illidan info about the Skull of Gul'dan.
>>46008660
Eh, I dislike categorising the major forces like that, feel like it makes it all more structured and therefore bland and less interesting.
Also, why are the undead a separate force, when they were created by burning legion's magic, and they're far less important/powerful on a cosmic scale than other outer tier guys?
>>46010304
That's good news then.
>>46008660
>>46011068
I see it as merely a visual representation that does not necessarily show any power relations bar the rather obvious fact that the Light and Shadow dichotomy encompasses everything else, something that is completely logical in any mythology. Otherwise the picture just illustrates the concept, rather than draws lines and I've already read too much autism about it.
WoW TCG was amazing, hearthstone is shit.
>>46011302
oy vey.
>>46011302
Gobs have genuine faith otherwise they wouldn't be able to call on the Light at all- they believe so firmly that healing for donations is still good that they can still do it.
That irks me. It irks me right in the grundle.
>>46011446
They are VERY devoted to coin.
>>46010399
Oh sweet. Let me know how you like it. Imo, ol' kelly is definatly the star of the show
>>46010355
I've read that one. Its alright.
I don't mind OCs, if they are done well
>>46011253
Both have some pretty damn great card art.
>Goblins aren't the only ones who can do business, you know.
>>46012258
Gettin major Sailor Moon vibes from that for some reason.
Also this is great card art! http://us.battle.net/wow/en/media/artwork/trading-card-game/series2?view=tcg-series2-112
>>46008660
Are Loa Wild Gods or something else entirely?
>>46012297
I'm gonna wager a guess and say it's the blue eyes + visible through the short hair thing that makes her kinda similar to Sailor Mercury? Otherwise, I got nothin'.
Also, Blizz should hire Anzca to do all their gnome-related art.
>>46012316
Confirmed to be Wild Gods, same with the Celestials.
What system would you play Warcraft in?
>>46012477
Aside form DnD 4e jokes (It actually wouldn't be all that bad in 4e to be honest) Iron Kingdoms/IK Unleashed seems to fit pretty well with a few house rules on what races can do magic and how healing works.
>>46012346
Those are some really well-done expressions.
>>46012346
>Also, Blizz should hire Anzca to do all their gnome-related art.
Should they hireGraevlingorUthstarfor their draenei?
>>46012511
I wonder if i can find a yar har collection of the World of Warcraft RPG and Warcraft RPG somewhere...
>>46012619
No.
>>46012374
Are those animal spirits that you're helping at Hyjal Wild Gods/Loa?
What is Elune?
>>46012650
fear not
https:// drive.google.com / folderview?id = 0B0Xi01JFlDWQNTljNTZiMWYtYWU0Mi00M2JmLWIyOGQtMTJiMDY5NzcxZjM2&ddrp=1Obviously remove spaces
>>46012734
Those animal spirits are Ancients, a type of Wild God.
They used to be the Wild Gods specifically connected to the Emerald Dream while Loa could be independent of the Dream, but now I think all the Wild Gods have ties to the Dream granted by the Titans, Or not exactly granted, but restored and fortified by they Titans after the titans accidentally pulled them OUT of the Dream.
>>46012734
Elune isthe spirit of the dormant Titan Azeroth manifesting to its inhabitants to make sure it develops properly
>>46012656
why not?
>>46012822
MAYBE.
They've still left her vague.
>>46012792
Do you have any experience with the system? The fact there was a neutral factions book apparently gives me hope it was alright.
>>46012477
I would recommend FantasyCraft. The classes do a good job of emulating Warcraft mechanics like casters using spellpoints, Captains have continuous party buffs that can be refluffed as paladin auras, etc. The game also focuses on heroic, cinematic fantasy which is pretty much what you'd want for a Warcraft game. It also has a monster buliding system so you can make whatever Warcraft thing you want. I actually made a few monsters and wrote up custom races for the system based on the original races in WoW, but the game never got off the ground.
>>46010396
Any that you would recommend?
>>46012822
Source on that?
>>46012915
Gnomes are good to be cute almost all the time, Draenei need a little more dignity than those two can provide.
That actually sounds really useful.
>>46012942
Just get all teh Warcraft Legends comics anthologies, I'm not talking about fanfiction, just short comics that I loved.
Also a lot of the short stories feature small bands of OCs doing fun stuff.
>>46012954
The Well of Eternity was a wound in the Unborn Titan Azeroth that the other titans contained but couldn't fully seal.
Early Nightelves believed Elune slept in the well during daytime.
What do you think about this picture /tg/
>>46013243
Dang, it's a shame they had to shrink the world and also went with the twofaction system, but ah well.
>>46013243
>WoW with only 3 races, one of which is somewhat neutral
Pretty interesting familia
>>46012924
I have no experience whatsoever. I only downloaded it recently so I could get my hands on more obscure Blizzard lore.
>>46013243
Not in the feels, Anon, you're playing unfair...
>>46013568
>obscure Blizzard lore
Don't bother, the RPG has been retconned to hell and back
>>46013603
I am fully aware, but these threads started out with "retconning the retcons" in mind (at least partially), so every bit of what Blizzard might have penciled out regarding their grand lore could potentially be a spark to inspire a nice fancon.
I mean I think it's pretty much agreed upon that BZ can actually write brilliant pieces of lore where major Questlines aren't involved and the RPG books may arguably be a source for such pieces.
Also what kind of Elf is that supposed to be? Apart from MUH DIK Elf, that is.
>>46013894
Sylvanas Windrunner
>>46013894
> what kind of Elf is that supposed to be
I'm pretty sure it's a Dark Ranger, so probably Undead High/Blood Elf.
>>46012938
Fantasy Craft's meta mechanics and lack of content mean i would almost never consider it for use with warcraft. Warcraft is built around its "game" nature and i feel fantasy craft's meta mechanics push towards a "story" nature.
>>46014076
I don't think anything can completely encompass the game-ness of WoW without seriously bogging down combat with very in depth resource and time unit management.
>>46014119
It doesn't have to have the gameness of WoW specifically, it just has to be very obviously gamey. The way D&D is. Rules for everything, a very specific level of abstraction etc. FantasyCraft's mechanics have weird stuff like the per scene, the gamemaster dice, the minion damage saves etc that are very ungamey.
>>46013568
>Dragon has 13 levels
>Flamewaker has 17
DRAGONS BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
HAIL RAGNAROS
>Sea Giant has 23
Okay this is just arbitrary.
>>46014273
The game seems to be more or less 3.5 OGL stuff. It does have some nice touches, like the Troll Barbarian retaining the magical effect of any throwing weapon he uses on any other weapons he throws for the duration of his rage, making Throwing Weapons not suck.
For arbitrary creature classes though, Abomination goes up to TWENTY NINE LEVELS. Thaddeus tier.
>>46014260
I'm not so sure about that, there's a lot of NPC spellshit players don't get to enjoy that are quite ungamey. And WoW lacks rules for ANYTHING outside of combat and basic crafting.
Also I'd totally love to play an IK Warcraft game, probably using mostly Unleashed races and set on Kalimdor pre-WC3, fighting maybe Satyr, brutish Centaur, some of the crazier Quilboar tribes, maybe Ogre colonists, possibly the plains/desert races trying to explore Ashenvale or Feralas while the Elves, dryads, and Dark Trolls fuck with them.
>>46014607
This is why i said it doesn't have to copy WoW's mechanics, it just has to capture the same feeling. As long as the meta mechanics exist (campaign traits, GM dice, minions, the retarded boons stat) Fantasy Craft will never be suitable for a Warcraft game.
>>46014739
>(campaign traits, GM dice, minions, the retarded boons stat)
What are these and how are they un-warcrafty?
>>46014780
Major parts of Fantasy Craft that I'm surprised you never noticed when reading the core rules is what they are.
They are all rules that only service atmosphere and story, whilst taking away from the mechanical experience. Except Boons which is unwarcrafty because on what planet is the number of epics you can carry around a stat?
>Kelthuzad's Unique Spells
>Shadow Fissure
>Necromancer level 10 spell (level 10 spells, what?)
>120ft Line, after 1 round detonates to deal caster level times 100 damage to all creatures within 20ft of the line, reflex for half.
>Frost Blast
>Necromancer 10
>10ft Spread, 3 round paralyze, each round does caster level times ten damage. Fort save negates.
>Detonate Mana
>Arcanist 10
>All unused spell slots except the target's highest and second highest spell levels are emptied and he must make a will save for each spell he has ready in the highest or second highest to avoid them getting the same fate. Then add up the spell levels of every spell you lost (0th level count has half) and deal that many d6 of damage in a 30ft spread no save
Amusing spells. I think they strike a healthy balance between Wish/Time Stop/Other bullshit and crap like Meteor Storm.
I really hate that we never got any more Warcraft roleplaying books/pdfs..
I mean what if my death knight character wants to use the heart of Y'Shaarj? Where will I find this template.
Or what if I want to make a geomaster? Where is the prestige class for this? Or a Vrykul race... I want to play as a viking vrykul
>>46014943
>>46014943
>because on what planet is the number of epics you can carry around a stat?ilvl
I've not even looked at Fantasy Craft, I was trying to see if he could sell it or you could unsell it.
>>46015081
I believe Geomancers (The Kobold-used dancing-to-please-the-elements-shaman kind rather than the Arcanist specialized in messing with rocks like you see around the ruins of Dalaran) were in one of the splats, if only as fluff.
>>46015147
Actually Geomaster is apparently the title of the strongest martial artist on the wandering isle. Chen was up for the title but his adventure soul won in the end.
I believe the title was held by some dude named Bo who later on turned into a stone statue.
>>46015147
Oh, well Fantasy Craft is a great system. Make no mistake. Its just completely not warcrafty, will never see another update because the devs make no money/have no time/work on other projects (well, their big magic supplement MIGHT come out at the end of this year, maybe) and the meta mechanics can weird you out. That said if you are looking for "3.5 but not 3.5 because 3.5 was bad" it may be a great game for you.
It just won't ever give you the feeling you are playing Warcraft.
>>46015081
>>46015147
>>46015199
Ooooohhh Yeah the Pandaren Monk-shaanist title.
I thought you just misspelled "GeoMANCER"
>>46015248
no probs dude. It happens to the best of us.
Of course if you want to apologize then feel free to make me a prestige class based on the Geomaster concept.
>>46012792
That only seems to have the Warcraft RPG core rules, are the World of Warcraft rules (basically the second edition) available anywhere?
>>46015284
>Of course if you want to apologize then feel free to make me a prestige class based on the Geomaster concept.
Sorry again man, I might be polite, but I'm not *Canadian* or anything!
>>46015495
eh. I ain't your man, guy
>>46013243
I don't think I've ever seen that tower in the small image next to the crashed Stranglethorn zepplin in game at all.
>>46015558
I think it's supposed to be Karazhan before heavy remaking of the game world
>>46012619
As long as they aren't [spoilers]futa[/spoilers]
>>46015622
Nah, that's TINY. Early Kara was even bigger than current Kara. That's just a big guard or Clock tower.
>>46013894
>I mean I think it's pretty much agreed upon that BZ can actually write brilliant pieces of lore where major Questlines aren't involved
I also feel they are one of the best in the business at new world-building and concepts.
>>46015431
I think I had the WoW corerules as a pdf on my main pc, but I'm at my laptop right now. Some fellow posted the PDF in an earlier thread, if said fellow is still lurking these threads we would much appreciate a second posting.
>>46015825
>I also feel they are one of the best in the business at new world-building and concepts.
this. Their art team is amazing and their new ideas are generally pretty good, they just don't know when to stop with the retconning and stomping of old lore
>>46015983
And I love how well the Art and Music teams work together.
They capture the spirit of a zone with both computer-transmittable senses.
>>46015825
Jezus, even for a Nightelf dem ears are Looooooooong.
>>46013603
post more undead waifu
>>46013894
it's sylvanas
How likely is the following...
More troops leave with Uther than they did in canon and Arthas doesn't have the numbers to cull Stratholme, combined with this Mal'Ganis has bought more troops with him.
Mal'Ganis decides that rather than waiting for Arthas to head to the North and in part because he is slightly suspicious of why Ner'Zul wants him, he kills Arthas and has him raised as a Death Knight unwillingly rather than the madness/ slow corruption that happens in canon. Arthas spends the campaign waiting for a moment to break free and retake his kingdom even if now everyone is dead.
Could this lead to Arthas leading the Forsaken in this world? and would it make sense?
>>46016536
>>46016564
how about just having Uther not being a cunt and purging Stratholme alongside Arthas
seriously fuck uther
>>46016609
muh dick
>>46016639
>WESTERN KINGDOMS
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>not realising the reason no one does shit is forsaken basically having anthrax nukes
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>46016564
>Could this lead to Arthas leading the Forsaken in this world? and would it make sense?
it would lead to mortal life being annihilated by the Burning Legion without Arthas to sabotage them
>>46016639
Well I kind of want an undead kingdom rather than whatever Slyvannis is running so Arthas as king and then Death Knight nobility and ghouls making up the footmen.
Plus I think that goes against Uther's character severely without getting intot he he does nothing discussion. I Think I remember reading somewhere Arthas once thought that difference between a king and a Paladin was that he needed to be able to make the choice that benefited the kingdom rather than the morally correct choice.
Plus I think it could be interesting to see what the interactions between Arthas and his undead would be with Varian, Jaina and co.
>>46016703
>no realizing no one does shit to forsaken is because of plot armor from Dave Kosak
Idiots just loves to pretend they know something.
>>46016063
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2L9t2ah6QE
It's just sooooo good
>>46016915
Reign of Chaos would play out the same way though wouldn't it? Ner'zul doesn't begin to lose control until the Frozen Throne and then I Figured Kel'Thurzard would be the most likely one to join with Ner'zul if Arthas wasn't going to do it.
>>46017059
>implying the plague is entirely illegitimate
I know it's not orcs or jaina sucking orcs off but cool your tits metzen, lordaeron was the only worthwhile human kingdom anyway
>>46017125
>Reign of Chaos would play out the same way though wouldn't it?
no, part of the reason the Sentinels lasted long enough for Malfurion to set the trap at the World Tree was because of Arthas convincing Illidan to steal the Skull of Gul'dan and kill Tichondrius. If absolutely anything happened that enabled the Legion's invasion to move faster, they would have won
>>46017059
>>46017154
It's Kosak who gave them all that bullshit.
And I'm pretty sure Metzen at least had a say in hiring Kosak and assigning him responsibilities.
>>46017228
Yeah, Arthas telling Illidan how to stall (And Kill at least temporarily or possibly permanently since his severed arm IS still on Azeroth) Tichondrius bought the other defenders a lot of critical time.
Gul'Dan could have sent someone OTHER than Arthas, but he;'d need to be able to stand up to Illidan in a straight up duel long enough for them to decide to Parlay.
>>46017270
>cuckwind
>>46017228
But Arthas being forcibly raised doesn't change that. Ner'zul is still going to want to be free from the Legion and I can't see why he wouldn't send Arthas to Kalimdor.
Plus assuming Arthas wants the Scourge and the Legion gone he'd go along with it if it's going to lead to the Legion being defeated.
Anub'arak isn't a willing servent and he's still trusted enough to do the jobs he's assigned so I can't see why Arthas wouldn't be sent. Mal'Ganis would likely join the rest of the Legion in assaulting Kalimdor so its not like he would be around to stop him.
>>46017362
Ner'zhul only had power over Arthas' mind because of Frostmourne. If Mal'ganis killed and raised him directly, he could be taken under the Legion's control instead of Ner'zhul's directly, like all of the other undead used in the invasion of Kalimdor, Arthas wouldn't know about the Legion's invasion until it happened, and he couldn't act on it even if he wanted to.
Frostmourne was the key to Ner'zhul's plan and any series of events where Arthas doesn't find it is one where the Legion either wins totally, or the Scourging of Lordaeron never happens at all and the invasion fails
>>46017270
http://legion.wowhead.com/zone=8025/suramar-raid
>>46017270
Lich king is ner'zhual, not Gul'dan.
>>46017536
Ahh right, in that case, How likely is it that Arthas is taken at Stratholme and given Frostmourne once he is in Ner'zul's hands? or is that just reaching to much?
>>46017649
Fuck, I promise I knew that I was just out of it from work.
>>46017537
Well, I hope he left an arm behind and replaced it with something cool.
>>46016675
>>46017059
Kosak is also behind all the Night elf retcons and de-powerment, as well as the "high king" nonsense.
>>46017747
Dave Kosak is the plague that ruins WoW after cata and I really hope he got hit by a car or something.
>>46017664
that seems pretty reachy to be honest. If you want him to lead the Forsaken, just change it so that he loses Frostmourne fighting the Dreadlords in the Plaguelands, and Ner'zhul loses control of him instead of Sylvanas. Sylvanas answers the call of the Lich King, rendezvous with Anub'arak and saves him, leaving Arthas to fight the Dreadlords and Garithos
>>46017747
Am I the only one who really likes Forsaken? Loved their invasion of Northrend as well Gilneas. Love the calous ruthlessness and the total clusterfuck their invasions always end up being, only thing missing would have been an undead saying Gilneas was an "ugly land, a furry land" before getting torn apart by worgen. Also, why does everyone get so salty over Sylvanas making more Forsaken? She's entirely right when she says they'd die out, and even the vast majority of the remaining Forsaken seem to have gotten to the point where they're entirely out of fucks to give, and those that aren't likely don't harbour any hope that the Alliance might take them back. It's been made extremely clear that the Alliance at large has seen the Forsaken as monsters from the get go. Even with undeath being the curse it is, it still hasn't motivated a whole lot of them to commit suicide, and the people they raise are also the same people they were fighting, and the Forsaken at large display a very sadistic approach towards their enemies, to wish undeath upon them is probably the kind of thing they'd get up to. Inflict the same curse upon their enemies that made them enemies to begin with. Least of all do I understand Garrosh "Bomber" Hellscream giving Sylvanas shit for it, making more Forsaken is entirely in his strategic interest. Her retort was fucking great.
Alas poor Rane Yorick.
>>46017958
Would Sylvanas even answer the call? Out of all of them assuming Arthas isn't game for it Kel'Thurzard is the only one that is a willing part of the Scourge.
Unless Sylvanas Does it purely based on her Hatred of Arthas, but even then shouldn't she hate the Lich King just as much?
>>46017995
>>46018096
you're not alone my friend
don't worry it's just the process for these things
it'll cool off after
>siege of undercity
while people complain more about horde bias
>>46018106
in TFT I think it's assumed that Ner'zhul lost control of Kel'thuzad and Sylvanas, but Kel'thuzad continues to serve because he's a genuine follower of the Lich King, while he continues to directly control Arthas through Frostmourne. if he maintained control over Sylvanas, but lost control of Arthas, who now independent, wishes to claim his birthright as King of Lordaeron, then I could see the roles ending up reversed.
It's kind of contrived and dumb, but it isn't mechanically impossible if you REALLY want a Forsaken lead by Arthas
>>46018096
I didn't like their Gilneas and Hillsbrad fuckery, or their Arathi Highlands dickery either, oooorrrr EPL.
So yeah everything about them post cata.
Though i do sorta like the idea that they would have just turtled behind their plague-deterrent if Garrosh hadn't said "Go get me more land or you'll be fighting alliance AND Horde"
So what is going on in the legion expansion story-wise? I stopped paying attention during Warlords.
>>46018096
Forsaken was fine till WoTLK
Then after cata everything about them were shit.
Dave Kosak is actively eating all their previous lore to preserve his waifu.
Garrosh was angry because he was still written as a reasonable decent person in Cata.
He is not above using some dirty trick to get a advantage in battle but he had principle.
Plague bombing or mana bomb was not something he will accept for a victory.
Then in MoP he is reduced to a idiotic dickface.
>>46018379
I don't get why people get so pissed about it
>gilneas
shit babbies no one should care about
>hillsbrad
a ruined fort and soutshore nice lmao
>EPL
>having a problem with undead taking the plaguelands
>arathi
Ok I give you that one stromgarde is based
>>46018712
Because It means forsaken is now the new scourge and everyone should go on them like they did against the lich king.
Instead everyone is turning a blind eye because Dave Kosak.
>>46018685
CORRUPTION!!
>>46018743
>the forsaken taking mostly lordaeronian land is the new scourge
I bet you were against the anschluss too, fucking SWDF
>>46018712
>destroying a sovereign nation of humans
>destroying an important Alliance foothold
> continuing to allow them to grow their presence and numbers on the same continent as Stormwind
Yeah no, Varian should have been skull fucking them.
>>46018961
Gilneas did not belong to Loredaron. Fuck off, waifufag.
>>46018997
Hillsbrad and the Plaugelands both did
>>46018914
Oh that would be SO MUCH better than their explanation now.....
"Garrosh is always a bad guy and all he did before were just him pretending to be a decent person!"
Yup, this is BZ's explnation.....
>>46018961
> make a stupid scapegoat post
> When it's the fact that Forsaken using Scourge's strategy make them the new scourge
another retard spotted.
>>46019012
I don't care about those areas although it still concerning especially now that the Scourge are not a problem.
Gilneas should have been the signal for all of them to gang up and ass rape the Forsaken.
>>46018972
>>46018997
I know Gilneas dindunuffin
that's exactly the point
they fucking hid behind a wall while every other nation got stomped on by Orgrim the hun
>>46019036
Are you fucking serious
>>46019073
That's not an excuse to completely annihilate them and forcibly convert the survivors to undeath, you faggot.
>>46017747
By the Light, he's behind, what, 80% that's bad with modern Warcraft lore?
>>46019152
pretty much. I'd hold him accountable for the Orc infestation that took hold in MoP and WoD.
>>46019073
....The wall was only built after the 2nd war,
when Genn believes its too costly to allow the orcs to live in interment camp and break from the alliance.
(Turns out he was right, btw.)
Gileans was a part of the Alliance and did actually send troop (despite not that much) in 2nd war.
>>46017747
Which retcons exactly? Also, 'High King'?
>>46019094
Gilneans are useless cowards with eternal anglo accents fuck you
>>46019074
yes, for both part of my post.
>>46019245
Gilneas was more sailors and merchant marine anywat, iirc.
Fits with them basically being Victorian England.
>>46019261
Butt mad wanker frog detected
sylvanas is the worst part of the forsaken
I want the ghost of terenas to make lordaeron great again
>>46019261
good goy, send more of your men to die for Stormwind and don't forget to pay tribute to Dalaran while you're at it. You wouldn't want the orcs to come back would you?
>>46019320
Can't top the Terenas
>>46019343
>le happy goblin merchant.jpg
>>46019261
oh come on break down this fast?
>>46019275
That's actually Kul'tiras.
Gileans was still considered a new power as of 2nd war. So its likely not much military support was expected from them to begin with.
The fact that they practice druidism would make them more celtic too.
>>46019358
cant kill menethil [again]
>>46019275
Gilnean mariners are the ones who discovered and settled Kul-Tiras, on a related note.
>>46019320
I love Forsaken as a race, but hate Sylvanas as their leader. Not to say they weren't sketchy as fuck before, but you could disassociate from all the apothecary garbage and just look towards the well-being of the undead in their territories. Now, they plague everything at the drop of a hat while saying, "I'll never do it again~" with their fingers crossed behind their back and somehow every Warchief has been okay with that, with the exception of Vol'jin if only because he never got the chance to do anything with them before disappearing like a fart in the wind in Legion.
"The Forsaken must procreate to protect their borders, so we need the val'kyr making more undead!"
Except no. The only reason Sylvanas wants more Forsaken is to guard her stupid-ass from the dark oblivion she saw when she jumped off of ICC. There's no real reason for the Forsaken to actively seek self-preservation as anything other than a safe haven for free-willed undead, i.e. the people they SHOULD be freeing from Scourge control instead of making new ones.
If Sylvanas had been doing that following the LK's defeat instead of raising more undead, there'd be no moral high-ground for the Forsaken's enemies to stand on. She'd be whittling down the Scourge through conversion (+1), adding more forces to guard her own borders (+1), and would be granting free will to otherwise mindless undead (+1), none of which involves raising new undead from the corpses of Stormwind/Stromgarde humans who MIRACULOUSLY decide to join her side instead of flipping her off for raising them into an accursed existence of rotting flesh and horrible breath to fight their former comrades.
There. Now you have a still-dark-and-spooky Forsaken with a more morally ambiguous Sylvanas who, while still out to protect her own backside, is still seen as the Dark Lady her people revere and want to protect.
DONE.
>>46019388
the sack of Stormwind was an inside job
shadowflame can't melt marble blocks, wake up sheeple
>>46019555
Actually there were undead who rose up and decided to neither die again or join forsaken and instead choose to fight against the forsaken as they did in life.
But Dave Kosak can't have that and they all got demoted to mindless crazed zombies instead.
>>46017125
I never got the impression that Kel'Thuzad wanted to rule anything. He had a very hands off approach to the CoD after his ressurection
>>46018343
I'm glad I'm not the onky one that thought that. I always thought that KT was just like "well shit, now I'm a giant floating skeleton, my employment options are limited. Also Arthas is kind of chill, I guess."
>>46019642
Yeah, I did the intro quests. They painted the guy as unstable from the start, yammering on about starting a new Forsaken "with elbows". You kill him and his gang of Rotbrains before you leave Deathknell.
Also note that said "Rotbrains" are neutral until the phase of the quest where the Deathguard are butchering them. Now, were they truly descending into mindless undead, or was that just what we were told to remove a voice of dissent from the voice of Lordaeronian undead?
>>46019747
Dude seemed like a good loyal lieutenant or middle manager, not suited to directing the whole show but great at making the rest of the plan work.
>>46019094
>That's not an excuse to completely annihilate them and forcibly convert the survivors to undeath, you faggot.
That statement would have made sense if Alliance had buttfucked them, they didn't, it was the Forsaken, because they're part of the Horde. It makes complete sense that they'd suspect Gilneas of harbouring Alliance sympathies, and if they suddenly decided to rejoin the Alliance, they'd suddenly have a heavily fortified beachhead in the north.
>>46019865
he was the founding member of the Cult of the Damned, he was expelled from the Kirin Tor for practicing necromancy, so even before becoming a lich, Ner'zhul was his only option, and he was grateful for the second chance
>>46019884
Kel'thuzad was Azeroth's best right hand
>>46019939
No see that is fine. It's being a Forsaken apologist about it that is retarded. Also people suggesting that it's not a grounds for war, or at least actively ramping up fortifications and military assets toward the northern Eastern Kingdoms to stalemate or Cold War the Forsaken.
>>46019879
They were much more than what they are now.
Back in beta they were alliance affiliated, and Marshal Redpath was just continuing his fight, swore vengeance on sylvanas, leading his fellow southshorer against Forsaken even in death,
All these were scraped after beta and he was demoted to crazed zombie because Dave Kosak.
Also rotbrains are neutral simply because its the starting zone and its made as such. so starting players don't easily die.
>>46019939
Instead, they ended up forcing Gilneas to rejoin the Alliance and got several hundred tons of furious werewolf tearing their stupid asses to shreds.
The Gilnean Liberation Front was kicking the Forsaken's rotting carcasses back into Silverpine and even so far north as the borders of Tirisfal with the aid of the 7th Legion reinforcements and the worgen-cursed Hillsbrad villagers (that the Forsaken were trying to butcher and raise as undead), but then were forced to back down because Sylvanas took Lorna Crowley hostage.
The Bloodfang Worgen broke ties with the GLF, claiming that Darius Crowley was weak and had no stomach to do what had to be done. They met with far less success against the Forsaken on their own.
Where was I going with this?
Oh yeah. The Forsaken kinda screwed the poochjokesby making an enemy where there wasn't one.
>>46020029
I personally haven't been saying it's wrong to think the alliance'd retaliate
it's just most alliance cucks want to steamroll them
>>46019939
>nation is neutral behind a wall
>refuses to the point of civil war to have anything to do with the Alliance
>gets invaded, driving them reluctantly back into the Alliance
>>46020392
Every organization in the world is against old scourge.
Even the current scourge is against the old scourge.
So when forsaken turns into a new scourge and aboslutelly nothing happen to them for 5 in game years and 3 expansions in real-life.
People call the narrative director's bullshit, its just that simple.
>>46020185
Mind you the Forsaken didn't seem interested in expanding in that direction in the first place. They were under orders.
>>46020392
An escalating conflict would be more fun
Also The Horde is for edgy teenage faggots
>>46021128
I love both the Alliance and the Horde, but the Horde's fanbase is so damn obnoxious.
>>46019884
10/10 would hire as my CFO
Also hes like technically still alive since we never gather his phylactery (the second time). I hope he comes out to help fight the burning legion
>>46021128
WoW in general is for edgy teenage faggots, your point?
>>46021295
Then why are you here, friendo? =^)
>>46018343
Thanks, you've given me a fair bit to think about assuming it's been the same person all along.
>>46019884
It was more a case of who is left if you take Arthas out as far as a new Lich King goes. There is Rivendare I Suppose, but that seems like it might be another case of better for middle management than outright ruling.
>>46021433
The same reason you are
>>46021176
The sense of superiority is what gets me.
>WE don't just want to play the PRETTY side. We like TOUGH, MANLY THINGS.
>but like 50% of you are blood elves
>SHUT UP. FOR THE HOOOOOOOORDE
>*cue 10,000 other people parroting the catchphrase*
I was very firmly seated on the fence and played both sides in equal measure until I realized just how insufferable Horde fanboyism is, and I leaned over onto blue.
Unrelated note: What keeps harpies from being normal sapient peoples instead of just total cuntbags? They apparently used to be nice 'til Aviana disappeared, but even after her return they actively tried to corrupt her.
Is Old God corruption at play, or are they just naturally cunty, like feral worgen?
>>46021554
I think harpies are just naturally cunty and feral. They're portrayed as a race that can't be rationalized with.
>>46021554
>tfw Horde player that mained an orc and a tauren, only touching Blood Elves because they were new and made perfect fire mages
>>46021698
Orc ladies have a winning smile.
>>46021554
>>46021695
>No males have been reported, so (rumor has it) harpies breed with captive males of many species, though they prefer elves, humans or orcs to either smaller or larger species. The males of another species fills the role for a time, after which they become food for the nest. In lean times, harpies can lay unfertilized eggs that become female copies of the mother.
>Vicious and predatory by nature, harpies are the bane of all other life in the areas where they take root. They have been raiding tauren settlements since time out of mind, and it can only be assumed that they are as much a plague on the quilboars and others. The only race rumored to have any peaceful relationship with the harpies are kobolds, who trade them scavenged tools and weapons for information and protection.
>Harpies are an extremely unclean race. Their nests are obvious by the stench on the wind. They are immune to infection and other diseases that stem from rot or contamination. This immunity does not extend to the toxins of plants, animals, or any magical effects.
>Harpies are clearly very intelligent, since they are able to communicate with other races when they wish to. The common echelons of harpy society attack with crude weapons or simply with their razor sharp talons. They are well used to the ways of divine magic and treachery. The more elite harpies tend to be masters of elemental storm magic and are much more dangerous.
>These vile, unscrupulous winged women live only to cause mischief and sorrow.
tl;dr - Harpies are nasty (literal and figurative) cunts who kidnap and rape men of other races and are so unlikable that only kobolds will deal with them. This is despite them being intelligent and sapient enough to communicate and to wield magic.
>>46021554
>>46021695
SOME harpies are probably back to sanity, others were actively evil and the new ones are upset att their horrific witch noses in Legion.
They went from Asian racial caricatures in WC3, to normal women with wings in Vanilla-Cata (none in pandaland or WoD), to some sort of jew caricature in Legion.
And the Arakkoa wings they ported over also seem sorta unnatural on them, though at least they can land now.
>>46021940
WHY.jpg
>>46021940
Really looks like shit
>>46021554
blood elves are usually child/aliance players that saw the BE as super cute and handsome looking elf that can be a palagay and be on the "though guys" side at the same time and went "lol ima play that shit so that i can be on the horde side and be rude and evil while still being handsome"
no joke, when BE's came out 7 out of 10 were childs who didnt eve know how to follow orders, they just did whatever they wanted in the middle of fucking wailing caverns while the whole party was figthing a boss
then the assholes would agro more and more mobs, and run back to the tank so that they could get rid of the problem... tpk
then everyone is back alive and as soon as he/she is blamed they pop the goddamn paladin bubble and heartstone away, NOT JOKING HERE!
i literaly saw this more than a couple of times!
they were still thinking as aliance against horde and using the bubble and teleporting!
>>46021554
What got me was when I went to the Force Awakens premiere in my area, and the Warcraft movie trailer showed, some moron shouted, "FOR THE HORDE!" in a got danged theater. It wasn't during the feature of course, that wasn't what I thought was ridiculous, it was that he did it in public.
He got some cheers, though. Probably from his friends.
>>46021992
If you want people to not fuck it, then make it look like an old crone. It works for most troll female faces.
>>46021940
They had some gigantic knockers in Warcraft 3
>>46021940
>>46021992
>>46022013
Other than the fucking bridge and curve of the nose and some of the wing motions feeling a little weird (Also the beak-picking idle animations seem like they could look weird with a normal face)
>>46022029
They fixed that, now like Orcs they have a variety of faces between "Featureless cute" and "Seventeen flavors of Hideous Hags"
>>46022029
The whole thing is bad they look disproportionate as hell compared to that concept art. They should have made the thighs and the shins longer.
>>46021889
Damn, if that's so, these bitches are deserving somesexualviolence.
>>46021554
There are alliance guys like that too
I just main orc because I wanted to be an atilla the hun rip off
the huns were cool guys
>>46021992
because_they_are_evil.gif
>>46022124
>evil mist always be ugly
Have you actually been paying attention to what some of the evil females look like in this game...
>>46022052
Even in very low-res I can see them.
>>46022084
Yeah, if you like birdshit all over your dick.
>>46018673
Anyone??
>>46021940
>Centaurs are corrupted Elves
>Satyrs are corrupted Elves
>Harpies are corrupted Elves
>Naga are corrupted Elves
>and there are also two crazy druggie hobo Elf varieties
I'd be really nervous around a WoW Elf.
>>46022436
Illidan gets unsealed from the crystal Maiev put him in (he didn't die in BT) and him and Gul'dan go to the Broken Isles to do something and we help probably or kill Gul'dan again or whatever
>>46022455
Centaurs are the children of a Keeper of the Grove fucking a rock
>>46022084
>>46022052
>>46022071
>>46021889
>>46021940
>dat early harpy concept art
Annoyingly enough I can't find it on google, but those fucking titties. Didn't look like hags either like >>46021940.
Also, apparantly clicking on black and white concept sketches and then "more like this" gives you reaction images made from cropped Jinx porn.
>>46022503
Oh so retcons and Gul'dan pulling a Garrosh.
Also Garrosh being responsible for basically unleashing another burning Legion invasion on the world.
Even in death that guy still fucking it up
>>46022455
And elves are corrupted I mean "evolved" trolls.
>>46022143
because_they_are_evil_AND_not_very_plot_relevant_nor_a_devs_waifu.webm
>>46022547
Garrosh did EVERYTHING wrong
>>46022605
He was trying to make the Horde great again but literally everyone worked against him.
>>46022455
Centaur are not corrupted elves, they're born from one of Ce4narius's kids fucking a boulder woman.
>>46022503
>Illidan gets unsealed from the crystal Maiev put him in (he didn't die in BT)
Oh his body was quite dead, he was just encased to prevent his soul from making its way back and starting all over since he was already close enough to a demon that his soul could survive and reclaim his body or even make a new one given enough time.
>>46022605
They even gave Banshees a thorough thrashing with the ugly stick.
>>46022672
What really?
A shame, World of Warcraft used to have some of the better looking female animated out of all the MMORPGs.
The only hotter ones were from Final Fantasy XI...
>>46022799
Here are the Naga for comparison as well.
>>46022503
>>46022672
Toma-toe, toma-toh
Around Elves watch yourselves
>>46022028
>Not letting out a mighty Lok'tar ogar.
This is why the Alliance are known as losers and cowards.
They gave Genn a new update in wrath but his worgen form got nothing and doesn't look NEARLY as cool as this.
>>46022672
Clarification: Illidan is basically a demon for most intents and purposes, and when demons die, their souls return to the Twisting Nether to reform, much like elementals returning to their respective plane.
Illidan was killed, and Maiev realized (much to her silent joy, no doubt) that her watch was not over, because she could use some fel-crystal prison (like the sorts the blood elves used that were/are floating all around Silvermoon) to encase Illidan's body, thus trapping his soul before it had time to escape into the Twisting Nether, reform, and come back for vengeance.
>>46022851
Internment camps.
Go back to playing in the dirt, savage.
>>46015954
http://www.winnow.veeshanvault.org/files/noncomic/World%20of%20Warcraft%202nd%20Edition.pdf
There's the 2nd edition which is rather neat.
>>46022672
Anyone have a picture of the banshee remake?
>>46022668
Everyone worked against him because he was basically telling everyone to fuck themselves like some sort of green skinned Kim Jong Un.
>>46023046
Searching for a good image, have a Ban-hee in the meantime.
>>46019555
>There.
This guy gets it.
