ITT: Primarch power levels pre-heresy
>>46005800
This seems fairly accurate.
Maybe Fulgrim in the Elite Tier?
He's an absolute monster in combat.
>>46005800
Well, when compared to Sanguinius at least, Fulgrim isn't half as much hot shit as he wanted to be.
>>46005800
Well, when compared to Sanguinius at least, Fulgrim isn't half as much hot shit as he wanted to be, so it would seem oddly out of place to have the two in the same ranking.
>tfw you will never be the son of based Lorgar (PBUH) and follow him to the empyrean and back to bring the Primordial Truth to Humanity for ascension and unity with the realm of the Neverborn
>tfw you will never 10,000 years after the heresy witness your primarch return to the material plane in his blessed form again and weep tears of awe, sorrow at his absence and joy behind your faceplate
>tfw no holy chosen son of the pantheon daddy
>>46005800
yeah I can agree with this.
>>46005800
define 'power'. Because Lorgar had more IMPACT than any of these safe maybe Horus, but probably not even him.
>>46005800
I would drop Vulkan to medium tier.
But yeah can't really complain.
>>46005800
What makes pre-Chaos Horus so strong?
How do you guys even like this shit so much? WH is the most edge shit i have ever seen in my life. Not even The Masquerade fags are this edgy.
>>46008523
Emperors right hand. Best of the best.
>>46008484
The guy was basically death proof. That has to count for something.
>>46008705
That's the point: if you are going to be edgy, you may as well praise the second coming of Hitler in space while he fights xenobites on cocaine.
>>46005800
>God Tier
>Magnus
>Got his back broken by Russ
>>46005800
No perty?
>Alpharius under Girlyman
>Hammertime anywhere but in low
>>46006794
I don't know Fulgrim beat Ferrus once and took back him hammer, he killed Ferrus in their second duel, and he cut Guilliman's throat. Did Fulgrim actually lose any fights yet, Guilliman, Lorgar, Curze, and Corax were all overwhelmed by one of their brothers at one point, and Magnus got his back broken. I would probably list the primarchs as
>God Tier
Horus
>Elite Tier
Sanguinius
Angron
Fulgrim
>High Tier
Lion, Magnus, Russ, Vulkan
>Mid Tier
Khan, Curze, Dorn, Mortarion, Ferrus, Corax, Perturabo, Guilliman
>Low Tier
Alpharius
>Ultimate Bitch Tier
Lorgar
>>46008435
This.
But if you mean "effectiveness in personal combat on a medium scale battlefield", your rankings are broadly correct. Curze wanders up or down depending on whether his precognition is telling him how he's going to win, how he's going to lose or nothing in particular.
Reduce the scale of the combat down (say, to one-on-one combat) and Angron goes up and Magnus goes down. Increase the scale of the combat to begin including strategic considerations and Angron goes down and the Lion, Gulliman, Dorn and especially Alpharius begin to rise up the scale.
>>46009034
Perturabo is the coloured picture on Low tier.
>>46009071
>Alpharius under Girlyman
Guilliman killed Alpharius. Plus Alpharius was always a shitty fighter as far as the primarchs go, I think him and Pre-Transfigured Lorgar can actually be killed in game by Sigismund, and maybe Eiodolon and the Dark Angels Knight Errant.
>>46008705
I like 30k in large part due to the uniqueness of its weapons and units as well as the diversity of its factions for a game where every faction is human.
>>46008995
Magnus let him kick the shit out of him
Magnus knew Russ was coming to arrest him and most likely kick the shit out of him and his Legion, he did not know that Horus had changed the orders.
>>46005800
Make Russ a medium tier, and I'll agree with you.
>>46005800
So basically you just put your favorite to least favorite Primarchs in an image?
ffs /tg/, is this what our board is? Retards spamming the same thread everyday? How (literally) autistic do you have to be to argue over fictional characters' "power level" at all? Let alone 5 times a week.
I remember having these conversations with my friends when we were kids. If you are a grown man discussing this, arguing about it, or taking it seriously..
>>46009229
Except when Magnus finally stopped accepting his fate and decided to fight it he actually went all out against Russ. Before he confronted Russ he wasn't even fighting, he was simply waiting for Russ to kill him.
>>46008995
Tzeentch had to intervene. Magnus raped the attacking SW with mindbullets while dueling Russ. They were even until Magnus got blinded by a reflection.
>>46005800
You know, for all his obvious power, I can't really recall anything that demonstrates Magnus's strength.
Logically, of course he's strong, but him and his legion aren't really mentioned as being hugely well regarded or anything - is he just a personal combat beatstick who's not that great as a commander (like how Angron's usually seen), or is there just not enough lore of his battles to tell?
>>46009128
Magnus would've rekt the whole elite tier and pre-chaos Horus.
Nigga was pretty much a weapon of mass destruction.
>>46009335
>They were even until Magnus got blinded by a reflection.
Even then an even fight doesn't make the difference between God Tier and mid tier. If it did Manus should be well below low tier because Fulgrim defeated him two times despite the fact that Manus attacked him with the full intent to kill Fulgrim but Fulgrim was holding back.
>>46008817
>>46009213
Make sense i supouse.
>>46009295
He wasn't physically strongest
But psyikally he was second to the Emperor.
If I remember Russ kicks his shit in their duel and Magnus sells his soul or what ever to teleport the planet and his legion into the Eye of Terror.
>>46009356
Do you have any source for that claim or are you just a retard masturbating to your favourite primarch? I like Fulgrim, he is my favourite primarch, hell he has the most primarch kills, by a massive margin if you include him murdering clones of Ferrus Manus. Despite that I realize that he sure as hell isn't first.
As far as actual capability (consider them fights to submission because Vulkan is immortal but if he loses all his arms and legs he can't really do shit) I would probably rate the top four primarchs as being
1. Horus
2. Sanguinius
3. Angron
4. Fulgrim
After that it gets a bit fuzzy, I would probably put Lion, Russ, or Vulkan next with Magnus somewhere below them.
>>46005800
fixed
>>46005800
I concur, on a scale of personal effectiveness. However, were you to base it on legion effectiveness, I'd have to move the alpha legion to the top. Alpharius was "killed" and essentially nothing at all happened to the legion. Other legions practically disintegrated athe the loss of their primarch. Alpha legion is best legion.
P.S.
Hydra Dominatus
Sanguinius is shit, don't get why people think he's good.
Reminder Lorgar beat Khorne's best Bloodthirster in single combat
>>46009353
On a battlefield, he's basically Docter Manhattan.
>>46005945
Ferrus was beating him.
>>46009171
Sigismund outputs Logars damage but IWND and Lorgars superior wounds gives him the win.
>>46008995
Yeah, because his powers were being blocked by an entire army of SoS.
The guy could topple Reaver Titans by himself, he was incredibly strong
>>46012200
And got destroyed by Corax, Guilliman, a warhound, the WE librarian, the WE dreadnought, etc. etc.
> Fulgrim only in high tier
Daily reminder that based Fulgrim is the only Primarch who's killed more than one other Primarch
>>46016274
Russ wants a word in
>>46016329
Shit I'll agree with that. Remember when he broke bitch-ass Magnus over his knee Bane style? To this day 1ksons players are still buttmad.rest of the yiffy legion is shit though
>>46016140
>my main man Corax smacking Lorgar up
>only leaving when he got ganged up on by him and Curze
>chewed through half the Gal Vorbak
He really was one of the best, if a bit edgy
>>46009285
>>46016887
> posting 9gag tier "memes"
Shit I can see why this anon is sperging out about the quality decline of /tg/
>>46016945
samefag
>>46016959
Why do you delude yourself anonyou probably play space wolves as well don't you
>>46017076
>>46005800
Was Magnus ever shown to be that good though? Logically I can see it as with his psyker potential and being a huge red cyclops, however fluff wise I dont remember him actually getting shit done.
>>46018329
He smashed aside two eldar titans and survived a full cliff falling on him
>>46016945
>I can see why this anon is sperging out about the quality decline of /tg/
I've been doing that for a while.
>>46018329
He was wrecking Russ' shit before his two giant wolves intervened, have people actually read the fight scene? Russ got a mindsword through the chest, had his breastplate shattered and his hair set on fire. Magnus powers were working on Russ, who was Shown earlier to be nearly immune to warp powers. One of the thousand son characters hits Russ with an extremely powerful blast, and not only does it have no effect, Russ reflects it back to him. So on top of having to overcome an army of sisters of silence dampening his power, and Russ own warp resistance, he had to match one of the best fighters in the galaxy. And he was still holding his own. Without Magnus being nerfed, he would have won easily. If Russ didn't get the lucky hit to his eye, which was done blindly after Magnus burned him, he would have lost. if his wolves didn't jump in, he would have lost. Read that fight over again, Magnus wins that battle unless something highly situational happens
Friendly reminder.
>>46008995
>10k years later
>magnus rules over planet of sorcerers as a demon primarch
>russ long dead
Point Magnus
>>46021165
>Russ long dead
He's not dead.
He's going to show up in the Age of the Emperor.
>>46005800
can someone name all these?
I know a bit of 40k lore and a few names, but I cant name them except Horus
>>46021902
Top to bottom, left to right: Magnus the Red, Horus Lupercal, Sanguinius, Angron, Leman Russ, Lion El'Jonson, Jaghatai Khan, Konrad Curze (senpai), Fulgrim, Vulkan, Rogal Dorn, Mortarion, Iron Hands Of The Iron Hands And His Iron Hands, Corvus Corax, Perturabo, Alpharius, Lorgar Aurelian, also Alpharius
>>46008484
Vulkan was not only capable of total regeneration, he was also the physically strongest Primarch but held back because of his gentle nature
>>46008705
Why are you posting here if you don't like it?
>>46022798
Ferrus was second strongest, and he's only mid tier.
Though I would argue he deserves to be higher.
>>46009071
Alpharius is the physically smallest Primarch, he is like the size of a normal legionary. He doesn't like fighting openly either. It's safe to say he isn't very good in 1 on 1, but that doesn't bother him.
Recently Russ fought with a Terminator that boarded his flagship that was probably Alpharius or Omegon. Whoever it was managed to block it but immediately withdrew as soon as Russ brought a fight to him. Granted, that whole battle had the Yiffs being curbstomped until the Dark Angels saved them.
>>46021965
thanks
>>46009285
>bitches about /tg/ thread where people discuss /tg/ topics
>I'm so cool man not like you children
Get off the chinese cartoon board if you're so much better. Why aren't you partying with hoes instead of scolding people for actually staying on topic on a kids message board?
>>46009353
Magnus' psychic power nerfed everything, he was just never allowed to go all out nor did he want to. 100% Magnus has never been seen in the series because his breaking by Russ (which he allowed) and the subsequent teleportarion to the Planet of the Sorcerers shattered his form to the point where literal shards exist.
1ksons were never well regarded because they were A.) small B.) relied on distrusted psychic powers C.) Were more concerned with knowledge over conquest
>>46012200
Post-Dropsite, Lorgar is a lot more formidable. In the shadow crusade he fought Guilliman evenly without breaking a sweat and has the best psychic powers of the Primarchs save Magnus. Post and Pre-dropsite Lorgar are entirely different people, as Guilliman has pointed out.
This list is pre-Heresy from the looks of it.
>>46011084
I don't understand how Perturabo is on the same level as Konrad Curze who took on Guiliman and the Lion at the same time. There isn't much to go off of to judge his power levels. I'd expect him to be on par with Guiliman or Dorn.
>>46019974
Russ kicked Fagnus in the eye dude. It wasn't a lucky hit. Russ also had to fight through a bunch of 1KS and prospero spire guards, so he had already taken wounds and was tired before Magnus emerged to fight him fresh.
>>46020149
You are literal leukemia
Now rate them in terms of handsomeness.
>>46021452
You mean
>Age of GullimanObviously emps is going to die and only the revived Gulliman and the spectacular Ultramarines shine as lights in the blackness!
>>46026920
>Age of I, Cato Sicarius
FTFY
>>46012200
He broke his kneekaps and horns. Nigga finaly stepped up.
>>46005800
>>46011099
Low Tier is precisely where Alpharius wants you to think he is.
I am Alpharius and I approve of this chart.
>>46009229
Once russ arrived face to face with him he decided to stop dicking around and actually fight, he fought back and lost
>>46010947
Why is Angron so high?
>>46028592
He is the strongest primarch in 1v1 arena combat even without mods, just nails and some weapons. He overhead pressed a titan's foot trying to step on Lorgar.
>>46022857
>Alpharius is the physically smallest Primarch, he is like the size of a normal legionary
According to Legion, the only "normal legionary" that was the same size as the twins was a heavily augmented Terminator Captain.
>>46008523
Horus was (to my understanding anyway) the generalist of the primarchs. He lacked the outstanding specialisations most of the others had but also lacked major deficiencies.
>>46009128
Magnus is an Alpha+ psycher. The 'Wipe clean a planet's surface' level of psycher.
Horus was just the 'real good at being a functioning primarch' of the bunch not a mindhax walking wmd giant.
>>46005800
Personally OP, I'd say trying to stat them according to the novels is impossible because power levels vary so much; I've seen Curze both wreck and get wrecked by Corax, I've seen Magnus take down a titan and get his back broken by Russ, I've seen Lion lose and win against the same guy like six times.
Just like in Marvel, the primarchs only lose and don't lose against each other based on if the plot requires it or not.
>>46022969
This is complete shit, he didn't allow his breaking at all. He fought back and lost; if he had wanted to lose the whole time, he'd never have sold his and his legion to Tzeentch.
Following your logic, all the primarchs who had psycker powers like Lorgar, Sanguinus and Mortarion can't be judged because they were "holding back" and not using their full powers.
>>46029355
and yet Alpharius could easily pass as Meduson
>>46031377
I am surprised to find myself defending the HH books, but...
The idea that individuals can be ranked by combat power and that number 1 will always win against number 2, who will always win against number 3 is not something that reflects real life.
Not just in terms of personal combat, but in terms of anything; tennis, chess, competitive pie eating.
When you get two people who are exceptionally good at something and pit them against each other at it, one of them winning some of the time and the other winning the rest of the time is not weird or inconsistent. Luck is a factor is most such things (OK, not chess so much) and people have good days and bad days.
>>46026920
>>46027556
9/10 This is so accurate. However Alpharius should be in their own tier just marked ??? off to the side.
Lion is above Russ.
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