yeah i know "invincible plate" "lighter than chain"
If we take dexterity into account , the chances for the target to move with a hit and dont have to deal with nearly as much damage are still quite high in our system (up to 50% if you got the armor skill)
(regular plate is considered rather heavy (in physical weight) in our system because you usually wear chain and/or gambeson underneath it)
Half-plate. Just cover the major areas in armor, let everything else be loose and flexible.
All armour and weapons developed for an specific situation.
Plate armour is amazing if you are charging peasants while mounted in your war horse. Fighting on foot with a plate armour is suicide... you will be too slow to hit your enemies and hammers / maces will crush the armour with you inside.
>>45980668
This is some top tier bait.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hlIUrd7d1Q
>>45980694
another example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi757-7XD94
>>45980694
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hlIUrd7d1Q
1) Plate armour is good at stoping cleaving weapons, not so much at dealing with hammers and maces.
2) Sure, you can still move with 40kg of weight. That heavy weight is not useful when your enemy has a weapon that can bypass the armour.
>>45980668
Plate doesn't make you slow and modern soldiers carry comparable weight. Hammers will fuck your shit up though.
Cuirass and a helmet.
Throw a buff coat on underneath and you're laughing.
>>45980694
>>45980745
the difference in mobility small , but no matter how well distributed , weight is still weight and drains your stamina a good bit quicker in longer fights , making the armor a significant burden to the point of losing high amounts of mobility while a more lightly armored fighter still has a bigger portion of stamina left. having a DEX build and given the situation , you could outrun , outclimb etc. a knight in full plate to exhaustions since direct combat would be kinda pointless
>>45980552
>are there any "light" alternatives to plate armor?
Well before we get into alternatives it might help if we know more about your "system" like if for instance there is any magic at all or the metallurgic age analog it takes place in. The flora and fauna are important too.
Up front I'll say you could possibly use mage armor spells, bug chitins and biological ceramics from formidable creatures, mythril or darkwood (with permanent ironwood) which has very low weight and high durability, composite bone scalemail, or even thick but light armor made from paper linens and glue resin.
Each option could theoretically come near the performance of steel plate armor or in some cases thanks to hype powers actually outperform it.
Alternatively use a trait or feat that gives super strength, causing all weapons and armors used to be treated as though they were one class lighter/smaller than they actually are for calculating movement speed and penalty rolls. ie your heavy armor is now treated as though it is some medium leather slap-on armor because ha ha word of god says so.
>>45980887
you can enchant armor to have some kind of an energy shield , but any kind of enchantment still drains mana when used.
"lighter" metals like orichalcum dont exist , but alchemistic enhancements do (anti-corrosion and higher flexibility f.i.)
we have a calculator that dictates how much stamina is used per m of movement , and directly correlates to equipment weight.
You can deal with this kind of stuff by putting in more STR or END , but we are talking about someone who is a DEX build
and "word of god" is something I use when it actually makes sense , to prevent too much handweaving to the point of the system going bonkers and player rule-lawyering a now loose system
>>45980745
>Documentary
>American accents
NOPE
>>45980552
>thin
I don't know what system you're playing, but the obvious options would be
1: thinner plate
2: plate that doesn't cover as much (like the back)
3: plate with less stuff underneath it
All of them have their drawbacks, and I'm not familiar enough with wearing plate armor to know how much padding you do or do not need with it, but they all seem like decent reasons to stat up "plate but with less protection and lessened downsides."
Why would you want that? Are some kind of faggot spellblade twink?
Plate over mail seems to be rather too heavy to be worth it, and was discarded pretty quickly historically. When you see mail through the gaps in plate, it's often only present at the gaps. Though this too was abandoned after a while.
The arming garments of varying names underneath it all is pretty necessary though. A lot of the plate armour will be attached to it. It may not be all that thick though, and its weight may be quite minor here.
If you want things lighter than that, you can skip a few pieces of the armour, or go for thinner plate, or magic up some lighter metal. Be careful about lightening the helmet though, the inertia of a heavier helmet lessens concussions.
>>45980824
>not so much at dealing with hammers and maces.
While the difference may be less pronounced than with cutting edges, plate armour still offers a huge increase in survivability against impact weapons. It spreads the impact, it can make less clean hits skip off, the inertia of the helmet once again, and it keeps the various points and protrusions blunt weapons often have from boring in or ripping apart.
Modern day life in general should also make the usefulness of it all readily apparent, as construction worker Bill took a dropped brick to the head while wearing his hard hat and said "Ow!", while Bob also got hit but wasn't wearing his helmet, and so the priest said "ashes to ashes, dust to dust".
>>45981026
>You can deal with this kind of stuff by putting in more STR or END , but we are talking about someone who is a DEX build
Isn't it usually kind of the point that someone going for the ninja style won't be wearing much in the way of armour?
>>45980879
>outrun, outclimb etc.
Isn't that when he just calls you a coward and orders the archers to shoot you in the back?
>>45983546
Or you just wave goodbye as he goes, and proceed to rape, steal, murder and burn his livelihood and everything he holds dear in this world.
>>45982047
you have no idea what you are talking about.
plate armour was used for over 600 years.
the last instance of plate being used in warfare was WW1
>>45983575
and then fall over with a poisoned crossbow bolt in your back a few minutes later
>>45980668
>plate mail is too heavy
>peasants with maces will kill you easily
Everytime
>>45983546
I thought it would be 1 on 1 or you have some pals at least
>>45981580
>being this assblasted by the fact that enthusiasts come from a different part of the world than you
It's not like the US doesn't have deep ties in European history before the 1800's.
>>45980694
>that combat roll at 1:34
I'm having Dark Souls flashbacks
>>45984799
>fat rolling
Well at least they don't do the circle jerk backstab dance
>>45984814
>parryspam
>>45984758
If you have some pals then both sides bunch up, stay together, and the first to chicken out and run for it gets murdered by the others since it's hard to defend yourself with your back turned. Yes, even if you have less armour, you have to turn and run, they just have to run.
If it's a one on one then what's the reason for the fight? A formal duel means you'll be social pariah if you run (or even just fight in a not suitably macho way), and for a judicial one it probably means execution. In either case, gear will be symmetrical. People aren't likely to turn up in full armour for a street brawl or drunken row. Someone going for robbery or premeditated murder won't armour up either, it draws attention.
>>45984840
Isn't that more DaS2? I encountered less parryspam in DaS1 personally
>>45980552
Brigandine. A fabric vest or coat with thin, overlapping metal plates riveted to the interior.
It was lighter and more flexible than a plate cuirass, and much cheaper to manufacture. Not quite as protective, but still fairly effective.
>>45984935
Same plate thickness and it won't be any lighter since we now need the shell and rivets as well.
Cost probably depends on if you can get your hands on large iron lumps or not. Hammer out a bunch of little plates and rivets those, or just a few large ones.
But if it's one thing DnD has taught us it's that plate is heavy and expensive, so the alternatives must be cheaper and lighter.
>>45984872
Most parrying tools in DaS2 have less parry frames than DaS1. Even during the Monscim era (which didn't even last so long).
And they don't have blockframes.
It's just generally less viable.
Oh, and greatweapons are unparryable while 2handing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vi757-7XD94
even with "heavy" armor , taking blunt impact to the head still knocks you to the ground if it hits good enough
that said , if your character can dodge well enough to simply let most attacks just graze, using leather is a viable option + plate in vital areas
remember to get a parrying dagger for additional defense
