It's that time again.
Making the Monk work well in Pathfinder.
How do n you do it? Class alternatives? My group only plays Pathfinder.
>>45882551
Edit as necessary.
listen
don't play a fucking monk in pathfinder
go to your flgs or use the gamefinder thread or something and play with someone else, playing something else
fuck
Short answer: you can't
Tome of awesome supplement had an okay monk.
>>45882551
Unchained Monk or DSP Stalker.
God 18 is so fucking hot. Wish there was more porn of her that wasn't neotare
>>45882658
The artists don't like how a short noiseless dude got her
>>45882551
Just play a Stalker instead. If you're limited to 1pp only, play a Sacred Fist Warpriest.
>>45882579
>playing with people you don't know
This is where That Guy stories begin.
>>45882699
He deserved that win.
>>45882551
>Tome of Battle
>Unarmed Swordsage
Alternatively take only TWO levels of monk, then cleric until you can level into sacred fist (alternatively sorcerer instead of cleric and enlightened fist instead of sacred fist).
>>45882571
This.
>>45882699
I subscribe to the idea that a section of the artists have some pretty fucked up ideas about women in relationships.
>>45882551
Unchained Monk is pretty good. Unless your DM is on a killing spree it'll be fine.
>Grab three-section staff
>Flurry of Blows with it resulting what is essentially TWF without penalties and 1.5STR modifier
>Shore up defenses with Crane Style or do whatever the fuck you want.
>At level 4 you get pseudo pounce with the kick
>Grab Barkskin with Qingong Power to shore up defenses.
>Good life.
You're still playing a martial, but it's barbarian tier imo.
>>45882908
There are literally no rules for Unarmed Swordsage, just a paragraph saying you can homebrew something.
>>45882551
I just made a dwarf Crane Style monk and it worked well. Make sure you have the Steel Soul feat and Glory of Old Traits.
By around level 8 you'll have +11 to all saves vs. spells (before ability modifiers) and around 30 AC with typical magic items. You take a negligible penalty to fighting defensive. The only drawback is pretty bad damage, with power attack you can mitigate this and be fairly decent. Carry weapons to get around DR if you can because that's your big weakness with your mediocre but frequent hits.
At least in the earlyish game you're almost untouchable whether its spells or attacks.
>>45882887
The DBZA version of their relationship is best
>>45883122
Relevant:>>45882957
Grab Three Section Staff and you deal 50% more damage. ez.
>>45882551
Import Unarmed Swordsage from 3.5
>>45883169
I don't think it works that way otherwise it'd be perfect.
"A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands" -From the SRD
>>45882551
>Making the Monk work well in Pathfinder.
That's a tall order anon...
Maybe go Sensei, Qinggong Monk and party buff. You'll still be fairly underpowered, even with the best monk build.
>>45882908
Two levels of monk + psionic of your taste + Tashalora feat is also a good option
>>45883288
Not under Unchained Monk. I thought you were using that. My bad.
You should be using that though, unless you're using any archetypes.
>>45882551
Find a new group
>>45882551
What sort of monk do you want to be? Damage dealer monk? Tank monk? Wise Knowledge Monk?
I have a homerule that just makes monk and fighter work perfect in 3.5 AND pf! It's a secret that makes a lot of people angry because of how simple it is...if 50%+ of the party wants to play fighter/monk/ other no utility martial classes we play anima instead.
>>45883334
No, my mistake. I don't see a reason you can't do it with Unchained Monk either.
>>45883552
The three section staff (aka Santsetsukon or something) also has 19-20 crit range and blocking as a special ability. So that's an extra free AC for Crane Style monks.
Probably the best monk weapon.
>>45883594
Yeah, especially for unchained. So a crane style monk could just go crazy. In the build I mentioned dwarf isn't necessary but it's really satisfying to just be the stubborn rock that just doesn't have time for a wizard's bullshit. Especially with evasion.
Unarmed Swordsage
Monk2/Psywar18 with tashalatora feat
Monk/UrPriest/Sacred Fist
If PF
Unchained Monk? though as far as I know is a T4 at best
>First time playing D&D
>3.5
>Roll fucking awesome, total modifier +15
>GM recommends me monk
>Tells me to act smug and arrogant because I'm better than everybody else
>Literally be the first falling unconscious in every combat
>Flurry of misses
>Shitty AC
>Can't accomplish shit
I didn't sign to play the comic relief
>>45882699
>>45882887
What's funny is that they try to play Krillin off as a bitch just because he's one of the weakest in a universe filled with genetically superior alien brawlers and literal gods. Krillin could snap an olympian level human being in half with his finger if he so desired, but he, Tien, and Yamcha where destined to become jobbers the moment the saiyans invaded. His greatest victory is winning the second best girl in DBZ right afterpig-tails Videl
>>45884312
>I didn't sign to play the comic relief
>Pick monk
You kind of did.
>>45882551
Kill yourself and hope you reincarnate into a better group.
>>45884713
It was my first time playing D&D
>>45884556
Krillin is my favorite character followed by Trunks.
So, there is no hope for my monk that travels the world to find his former master and kill him dead for killing my monk's wife?
>>45883127
Everything involving their 16, 17, and 18 is pretty much gold.
>If this is about pissing off mom and dad, you could just date a black guy.
>>45884873
Go Tetori and get good at grappling. Take hog tie. Bring lots of rope.
As long as you can reach an opponent you can fuck them up.
>>45884931
I love that 17 is a total dork.
16: Rocket Punch!
18: ...seriously?
17: THAT IS SO COOL!!!
>>45882769
Steelfist Commando Warlord is another option. As is Dervish Defender Warder. And PoW:E has the Monk of the Silver Fist Archetype and the Aurora Soul Mystic
>>45882551
+1/2 level Inherent bonus to all stats, Pounce as a bonus feat at level 3.
Tier 3-4, easy.
>>45885107
And one day, that dork will range the fuck out of some park.
>>45882551
Play brawler
>>45882632
>unchained monk
Full BAB is not worth having weak saves and shittier damage bruh
Punchmagic is best magic.
>>45882551
Play a Brawler instead.
Or you stack up multiple Archetypes on top of each other.
I recommend Zen Archer or Quigong with whatever else you feel like.
>>45882551
>d10 hit dice
>Full Base Attack Bonus
>Good Fortitude and Reflex saves
>4 + Int modifier skill points
>Unarmed strike deals d6 + Str modifier damage if one hand is free, 2d6 + twice Str modifier if both hands are free, and doesn't scale with level.
>Unarmored AC is 16 + Dex modifier.
>Reserve of Ki equal to 2 + Con modifier + 1/2 level that recovers every fight (or 5 minutes outside of battle).
>All Monks have the 'Channel Ki' active Ki Ability, which lets them spend 1 Ki before making an attack roll, saving throw, or Str/Dex check to add +2 to the result.
>At every even-numbered level, give them an Active Ki Ability that costs Ki but gives them an immediate useful benefit. Examples include Quivering Palm, Stunning Fist, or Wholeness of Body (or similar effects).
>At every odd-numbered level past first, give them a Passive Ki Ability that provides a constant benefit. Examples include Evasion, Diamond Body, and Fast Movement.
>Alternatively, allow Monks to simply gain one Ki Ability of their choice at each level past first.
>Monks gain the benefits of enchanted hand and foot wraps as magical weapons, and benefit from enchanted clothing or vests as magical armour. These magic items specifically overlap with the Unarmed Strike and Unarmored Defence class features of the Monk, and these items are equally priced compared to similarly beneficial magical items.
Make the Active and Passive Ki Abilities as useful as, say, Barbarian rage powers, and you're good to go. The key is removing Wisdom as a requisite attribute and instead simply requiring a decent set of Str/Dex/Con, like most martial characters. That and making their Ki reserve recovering each encounter, not each day, as well as removing some of their scaling so that they need magic items just like everyone else.
>>45882551
use the Tome Monk homebrew
>>45882571
I know PF is 3.75 but still dude, it's Pathfinder not D&D. It's popular enough that there should be a reaction meme to it.
I find Pummeling Charge is a fantastic way to-
>errata
oh
>>45895368
It's not even 3.75. 3.55 at most.
>>45882551
Play a fighter, buy all the unarmed fighting feats, be a better monk than a monk, and use bitchin' iron gauntlets so that you can have magic fists (since they specifically banned monks from using things like enchanted handwraps or brass knuckles)
>>45882551
be smart with feats, and hope you can get a minimum strength of 14, dex of 16 and wisdom of 14, also be smart with your feats.
Unchained monk is okay, though I wish they had kept the good will save, even at the cost of the d10 hit die.Sacred fist warpriests are quite good, brawlers or close combat weapon fighters are also decent, and you can also multiclass from monk to another class (not normally a good idea, but it can work) with monastic legacy to keep your unarmed damage up. Mind you, most unarmed dice increases essentially give you +1 damage on average. That is less than weapon training.
If it has to be the regular PF monk, quingong is pretty much a must-have archetype. The builds that usually work well are zen archers and soheis.
Outside of the Paizo stuff, I think a meditant psychic warrior is pretty nice, and there is a monk PrC that gives it manifesting (or improves psychic warrior manifesting if you have it) and progresses most of their stuff. Tome of War is generally liked here and it does have some fun stuff, though I can't warm up to it for some reason.
>>45882551
monk is already kickass. get high dex and wis, str secondary, everything else unimportant. get good feats (there's a shitton of them that help monk) and unless you're playing a poor monk, enchant your silken ceremonial robes to give you better armor (see Ultimate Equipment for them)
>>45884556
Krillin is straight up the strongest pure human who has ever lived so you know, 18 could have done worse.
Why not just play a brawler?
>>45883127
>When all this is over, I'm gonna rock his 4 feet world.
Also Trunks actually feeling bad once he realizes why Krilling didn't kill 18 was also pretty neat. They've actually layed off a bit of the comedy for this time to make some justice for Krillin.
>>45895368
>I know PF is 3.75 but still dude, it's Pathfinder not D&D
>It's not D&D even though it's D&D because it's popular
bwuh
>>45882551
Use the Unarmed Fighter archetype, better in every way. Fluff it as a monk.
Play something with natural weapons, more damage.
>>45882551
First off, Dip 1 level somewhere, probably fighter. Your capstone hurts you and prof is nice.
Pick between STR or DEX as your offensive stat and max it. I prefer STR because it has more support.
Dex will give you slightly more Touch AC and Reflex STR is more outward damage. If you go DEX you need Weapon Finesse and Deadly Agility (Path of War).
Unchained Monk is pretty much required.
Your early feats should focus on damage, with Power Attack, Pummeling Style, Pummeling Charge, and similar.
Realize that as a ki power you can get Empty Body at level 4, and have a mini version of a lategame wizard spell. Abuse this.
Start teleporting ASAP, and get the Teleporting feat chain ASAP, up until you can full attack out of teleports.
Get a good monk weapon to flurry with, OR just flurry with any martial weapon + kicking people in the face. Reach martial weapons + kicking makes a hilarious combination.
Keep in mind Unchained Flurry requires only the EXTRA attacks to be with monk weapons or your body.
If you didn't go DEX, and you did go Fighter, AND you use a martial weapon, keep in mind nothing stops you from rocking enchanted full plate and a shield. You lose your flurry and fast movement and your wisdom to AC shit, but you basically become a Fighter who traded feat slots for a ton of monk abilities and style strikes.
cont
Early game Monk you pick up Deadly Aim, and you full attack-> flurry every round. No one in range? SHIT SHURIKEN, the flat damage on them makes them feasible alone on isolated enemies. Retrain that shitty feat lategame, because lategame you should be teleporting around.
Abuse Enlarge Person potions and other self buffs.
If dispels aren't flying around in game, get yourself Greater Magic Fang on your body.
Max Use Magic Device you stupid fuck, magic is important, this is EPIC FANTASY.
Carry wristsheathed wands and scrolls.
Be fucking prepared for the unknown, and carry some backup Sai early game with some fucking primal iron and silver.
Enjoy.Even with the loss of the catclaw and druidmonk, the Unchained Monk is pretty damn competitive even with the best fighter builds, and teleport abuse allows them to be all over the field and a huge threat to mages (especially if you just give them any flight item).
People who think monks suck literally just don't understand their potential, this was true before Unchained, after which they retroactively nerfed the best monk options, and it's true now. BE EVERYWHERE. PUNCH EVERYTHING.
Ask your DM if you can enchant ki wraps or clawed gloves or something similar but still get the unarmed strike damage bonus. Because seriously, only being able to use the Amulet of Mighty Fists completely fucks any monk. You lose an item slot and it's double the price
>>45883127
Well yeah, in DBZA they actually bother to establish why she's into him onscreen.
It still makes sense in the original canon, but you have to read into it based on what sort of person she is. DBZA makes it more explicit.
>>45897454
18 also isn't particularly attracted to 2strong manly-man types. She's not looking for someone to protect her, she's got her own power in spades.
What Krillin does have going for him is decency and stability. He's a good person and a family man. And considering 18 was a juvenile delinquent who was kidnapped and experimented on by an insane scientist, she's probably not excited by danger or bad-boy types. She's had enough of that shit in her life.
>>45882930
Or that their target audience does.
>>45900887
If only all damaged goods could realize this.
>>45901064
Most of them do. Where do you think the cliche of fucking around and settling down comes from? It's from women learning from their mistakes.
>>45882551
I'd kill the group. You'd never be convicted, and new people would gladly play with you for removing some brain-dead retards from the face of the earth.
>>45890228
This is the right answer.
>>45901064
Most do, it just takes them a while.
>>45901064
>>45901172
>>45901608
It's not like Krillin doesn't have a history of his own when it comes to terrible life decisions.
Why not just play Fantasy Craft?
>>45890228
>brawler
That's sort of the same as an unchained monk with more punching and less Ki stuff.
Not saying it is worse, but if someone wants to play a monk, how is it actually better than an unchained monk?
>>45882551
Roll your stats and get at least one 18 and 16+ in the rest of the stats.
And then still make sure to stop playing sometime before level 10.
Unchained Monk is fine.
Well, as fine as a martial gets. It's still shit, but it's the same kind of shit as a Fighter or Barbarian. You don't even have to do that much work to make them usable, just avoid the strength dump trap. Strength should be your highest stat.
>>45882551
Unchained.
>>45884556
>spoiler
Patrician taste detected.
