What does tg think of The Beast Arises series so far? I read IAS, and just ordered book 2.
My thoughts
>IF could have used better characterization
>Bolter porn was a little bland since the chromes were such a weak foe.
>Terra intrigue was great
>I'm a little apprehensive that they will portray the "bad" high lords as dopey power hungry fools and drop the ball on an opportunity for good political intrigue.
>orks are tough as fuck wow!
>I though Abnett did a great job setting up the ork threat throughout the book
>if I didn't know the series was about orks I wouldn't have guessed they were behind all the shit going on
>>45610464
>>if I didn't know the series was about orks I wouldn't have guessed they were behind all the shit going on
The series is mostly about High Lords and Imperial politics. The Orks threat is just going on in the background while the Imperials are busy stabbing each other in the back.
The first book is decent, the second one seems pointless. The third is great. Loved the naval combat and political intrigue over spess mahreens
>>45612337The Last Wall ProtocolDorn confirmed a traitor
What would have Girlyman thought about this?
>>45612349
Considering the Imperium Secendus? Probably would've saluted Dorn for showing some initiative.
Literally the only loyalist primarch who seemed completely loyal to the Emperor, without any backup plan for the Imperium, was Corvus Corax.
>Admech investigating Ork teleport tech with intentions of using it to teleport Mars out and leaving Terra to face the invasion alone.
Are the Admech cogheads really loyal?
>>45612957
Lack of loyalty is the newest tool for creating grimdark now.
Though to be fair, Mars suffered the last time there was a huge invading fleet headed for Terra.
>>45612531
And he fucking fled, the coward. At least Dorn died for the Imperium and Guilliman took an arrow in the knee.
>>45612531
Only loyalist without a backup plan.
>Ferrus Intesifies
>>45613468
Why did they have to make Ferrus and the Hands so worthless. It's depressing.
>>45610464
>Dan Abnett
I'll pass, thanks.
>>45610464
A big issue I had was how they forced the destruction of the Imperial Fists entirely within the first book. I really feel like it would've been much better if it was held off longer, instead of thrown in like a "this is for realz!" comic book moment.
Anyone got a link to the second and third books?
>>45612337
Then why don't you go bitch to all of those people who complain they want to see more "life in the Imperium?" Because when it gets written, a whole different group complains that "it's all pointless filler!"
>>45612531
In other words, Corax would've been a shit Warmaster.
>>45615742
This, it's literally the source of 100% of the shit the series is getting.
If the Imperial Fists still had a working Betcher's Gland and Sus-an Membrane, how did it break in all their successors after it broke in the Fists Exemplar.Is the Beast going to break them somehow when the united force shows up?
>>45616662
Either GW isn't actually going to replace them with the Fists Exemplar - a company of Imperial Fists lost in the warp will suddenly show up or something - or the Fists Exemplar will bravely allow their organs to be ripped out of them so that they can properly take on their role.
>>45616819
>>45616662
The Fists Exemplar recruited from a heavily irradiated world that screws with the geneseed. Although more likely it just degraded over time, since neither of those two organs are in the Black Templars or Crimson Fists.
>>45617067
Or GW is just being really dumb and is going to have a lot of difficulty retroactively explaining this.
Seriously, it'd be like deciding that the Space Wolves were once not as wolfy, but then they got destroyed during the Battle of the Fang and the Wolf Brothers were brought in to take their place and wolfed up the place.
>>45610464
>>45610548
I'm only interested in the series because of the high lords. Do they go to any specifics, like who from which section of the IoM is currently holding title of X, why etc. How much do they go to the character of high lords?
The scale seems kind of overblown. Fucking orks are doing more damage than Horus. I'm surprised Black Library decided to go with the beheading event in Imperium history. It was always an interesting blurb.
>>45610464
>saving thumbnails
>>45616584
I'm more annoyed that this entire series is being released that's basically a sequel to the Horus Heresy when the Heresy isn't even finished yet. It's like releasing half of Empire Strikes Back and instead of finishing the trilogy suddenly deciding to make The Force Awakens instead.
>>45617216
It's certainly strange how the Beast WAAGH comes out of nowhere without any warning or foreshadow, even the wars in the frontier of the Imperium out a single mention of ork resistance. Where was this Ork warboss hiding and wining so many wars to grow so big without everyone noticing the growing threat?
>>45617099
The highlords are explored a good bit, in my opinion it shows how they went from secular to batshit insane as the highlords are increasingly made to realize that peace is a myth and hanging about taking thins easy is not what their lives should be about.
I can see why Vangorich offs them all.
I found it interesting that now the main threat to space marines is peace rendering them obsolete.
>>45614904
Not worthless brother, only insular. They don't need to pull a VIIth or XIIIth, their victories need not be recorded for the fawning populace to crow over. Only their kin and the Emperor will know of the sacrifices the Sons of Ferrus will make. And that is enough.
Because nothing gold can stay, and cool ideas have to boil down to Grinch-figures hearts growing 3 sizes that day... Unless you look at them HH books, Lord Bligh loves him some Xth Legion.
>>45617929
I don't see why peace would render them obsolete, though. At worst, they could get melded into the Arbites, or take on roles that they might be suited for beyond fighting - governing a planet, staffing medical hospitals, stuff like that. But there's always pirates to hunt down, or renegades to fight, or eldar to watch out for. And having Space Marines around makes even a quiet sector more secure in the long run
>>45618037
you gotta think though, Space Marines are hella expensive and lots of people die in their making - without necessity, you'd choose conventional troops over them for economical and ethical reasons.
>>45617929
>>45617929
Vangorich isn't there yet, it's likely he break down after the crisis ends when he sees the high lords going back to their old power play routine. He knew that retribution would come and probably welcome it and willingly play the villain in his fortress of doom with his one hundred assassins.
>>45618095
But if there's nobody killing them off, Space Marines will last a long time. That's a sound investment for a military force that will rarely lose their effectiveness and are almost always ready for battle.
>>45617479
Sequels generally don't take place 1,500 years afterwards.
>>45618227
*that you can't directely control.
That's an important qualifier. Is it really a sound investment when they can just say fuck you, we aint doing what you tell us?
>>45618227
>>45618227
You could keep a few chapters in stasis fields until you need them.
>>45617479
Then I take it you feel the Ahriman or Black Legion series shouldn't have been written either.
Are there any good BL books with good sex scenes in them? Anything particularly lewd?
>>45618637
For all its grimdark adultness, BL has almost entirely avoided even the mention of sex. Only thing I can think of is Redemption Corps, where it opens with two stormtroopers sharing a bed - sleeping together in the literal sense rather than the euphemism.
>>45618637
Inquisition War is what you're looking for. Do you want buildings have sex with each other, marines farting on Sqauts, and the God Emperor explaining what his job's like and the Imperium in a nutshell? It has all of those too.
>>45618483
I'd be fine with that, or at least the pair of them being delayed.
The Heresy series just needs to get off its bloated meandering ass and finish already. I really think half the reason BL is so shit nowadays is because its writers keep jumping from project to project and firing off half-baked crap instead of staying focused, like Abnett releasing the first book of the Bequin trilogy in 2012 and delaying the sequel until fucking 2017 because he's busy shitting in a bucket and giving it Horus Heresy titles.
>>45618803
Don't forget corporate meddling.
>>45618824
well, yes, but in an affiliate of GW that goes without saying
>>45618637
40k Doesn't do too much sex.
Abnett's Inquisition series has some sex in it (Harlon Nayle bones his way across the galaxy), but it's never super explicit. Nobody goes full GRRM and has weird dwarf sex with a teenager, for instance.
Also, does anyone know if Abnett is EVER going to come out with the second Pariah book?
>>45618687
>sleeping together in the literal sense rather than the euphemism.
Huh...I thought hey were fucking...also that book was gold with the massive strong fat preacher and his tiny sidekick, all the characters were nuts.
>>45618687
From the top of my head....
In Necropolis Gaunt had sex with some kind of female noble from the hive they were defending.
In Ciaphas Cain's novels there are implied sexual relationships among various members of his regiment. Also Cain himself has an on-going affair with an Inquisitor. Also those times he run into Slaaneshi cultists, like this first time he ran into them in a short story, with Jurgen and two troopers that got possessed by snu-snu.
Wasn't there an orgy in Fulgrim? In the theater?
None of those are sex scene but....
>>45618921
Well yes they totally fucked, but it wasn't like they actually wrote that in.
It was a pretty decent story. Silly sometimes, and I didn't enjoy the preacher (he just kind of appeared out of nowhere and was huge), but the worldbuilding was pretty interesting, and hey, genestealers.
>>45618927
Oh, and in The Emperor's Gift the Inquisitor lady.... the one from Fenris.... she had a Chaos cultist in her retinue and it's implied that he's her lover, something about their sweat or something that the main character can feel/smell/whatever.
>>45618803
A big part of that was the old set of management pushed for shorter HH content, as authors weren't reliable enough to keep a steady output of novels. That's why there was such an increase in short stories and novellas, as authors had to constantly cover for one another to make sure that something, anything, came out in a given month. That period is waning down, both as management has eased off this and they have more dedicated authors writing, like Guy Haley (who writes insanely fast) and Chris Wraight. Guys like Abnett and McNeil are always going to meander because they have so many other, non-GW projects.
>>45618959
>inquisitors get to fuck chaos cultists.
>guardsmen die because they spend their lives fighting chaos.
I really hope BL does a character who has given up on the imperium and just cares about the lads he commands.
>>45619120
That sounds like every third out of twelfth Lord Commander/Commissar.
>>45619178
wait, is that a particular book
>>45618687
It happens, in a way I think its fine that they don't make a big deal about it. Its just sex. People do that now, they do that in the future. Its pmuch the same deal. Its difficult to write a sex scene that isn't total garbage, and if you're writing genre fiction, you probably don't have the skill to pull that off, or an audience that would care for that anyway.
I think my favourite mention of it is in the Nightlords series when one of the marines can smell that the two humans were having sex, which reminded him its a thing people do at all.
>>45618927
>In Necropolis
Straining the definition of sex scene even further (it was a single line and didn't really happen), there was that Inquisitor who kept using psychic suggestions on everyone around her trying to recruit Gaunt in Ghostmaker.
>So what does ...feth... mean, Colonel-Commissar?
>That is NOT what it means.
I dunno, I thought it was funny, at least. And I'd been wondering for two books at that point, so it was nice to have it cleared up.
>>45619203
the thing is, Abnett's sex scenes are kinda cringe
>>45619201
A good chunk of the Gaunt's Ghost series could be described as such as well as one of the Eisenhorn short stories.
Plus this is how the majority of space pirates end up.
>>45619201
No. I'm just guessing a number. Like I did one time in the 40k RPG General by saying 1/3 of every planet in the Imperium is Space Australia.
>>45619231
giving up hope in the imperium?
I mean Gaunt is pretty much faith and sunshine.
I kinda want a commander who wants to keep his boys safe, and not go for death or glory missions.
>>45619256
Sounds like Merrick.
>>45619256
>I kinda want a commander who wants to keep his boys safe, and not go for death or glory missions.
Ciaphas Cain holds with that, if for no other reason than that his reputation demands he be with his boys and he would like to be safe and not on a death or glory mission. Gaunt too, seeing as he hasn't got the men to lose.
>>45619256
I'd prefer a Commissar that would take the shot, honestly. Gaunt has executed more guys from other regiments than his own.
>>45619322
not a big fan of cain
the tanith are mary sue tier now.
>>45619272
exactly. based baldy was a pretty great guy.
>>45619334
I didn't say commissar m8.
someone like merrick who actually moved up the ranks and tries to minimize casualties among his boys would be a great character. I am kinda sick of overdone DEATH FOR THE GOD EMPRAH. Its like the entire defenders of humanity thing has taken a backfoot.
>>45619256
death will just come for them then, grim darkness of the 41st etc
>>45619384
no need to go actively searching for it then.
Or maybe a character who has a deathwish but tzeench doesn't let him die.
>>45619383
I liked that bit Castor said on the Judgement of Carrion.
>It's a guardsman's job to die. I send them to places to die, but I never waste my men.
I think that was it but correct me if I'm inaccurate.
>>45619404
That sounds almost like Count Moredrek and a Chaos Lord who has hunt down every marine who has the geneseed of his former Imperial Fist friend.
>>45619455
yeah, that was a pretty nice thing, but sometimes its nice seeing a MC fight against the grim darkness in his own way, however futile.
Like a disgraced officer put in charge of a penal regiment as a last ditch effort so that he dies in the line of duty.
he then grows to like his lads and tries to keep casualties to a minimum by mundane ways
>>45619522
>Like a disgraced officer put in charge of a penal regiment as a last ditch effort so that he dies in the line of duty
Sounds like an idea one Anon had but with psykers on a daemon world but the disgraced officer and psykers go doomguy on the daemons.
>>45618227
>But if there's nobody killing them off
Yes, if your soldiers never died they'd be economical. Not the case though. Marines are laughably stupid investments when you think about the logistics of them for more than two seconds.
>>45618918
>Also, does anyone know if Abnett is EVER going to come out with the second Pariah book?
My soul years for an answer to this question.
>>45619553
that would be kinda cool too.
I was thinking that they send the MC in>>45619522 off to tau or elfdar planets so that he will die soon, but because he has autistic ideas about combat, he takes far less casualties.
>>45619556
>thinking about logistics for more than 2 seconds
>warhams
pick 1
>>45619642
That works too.
>>45619221
It happened enough that Gaunt got a son from it in a much later book.
>>45619902
so how do I become a writefag?
>>45617216
That's the fucking problem, it's MORE INTERESTING as a blurb than as a 12-book series. Same with most of the events of the HH. We get information, but there is a sea of shit and retcones to wade through to get to anything interesting. So far I have read nothing in this series that was worth the price of admission, and I'm worried they'll fuck up the Beheading event as well
>>45619203
>"This room smells of mating"
At which points the third wheel pulled a sawn-off out of an orifice and made a CSM Sorceror fuck off.
RIP Hound.
>>45617561
Hiding down a plothole
>>45610464
The Orks are too edgy. They sound like Dawn of War quality Chaos Lords.
Does anyone has links/opinions for the Last chancers novels ?
>>45620543
first one's pretty good, second one's okay, third one is mediocre mostly because without the tie-ins to the 3rd armaggeddon war it's mostly just a blander retread of the first two.
>>45612531
Eh, Vulkan was nice too.
>>45618918
I like being titalated during my books.
>>45612531
So not planning for a worst case scenario (that actually happened) makes you loyal?
Not treating the Emperor as more than the collective whole of humanity makes you a traitor?
People actually believe this?
>>45620346
Start writing.
So, I finished Flight of the Eisenstein last night. I enjoyed it, although I don't really understand how the Sisters of Silence had so many casualties in the daemon fight. In the middle of their HQ, no less. How do blanks lose so hard to a daemon? I get that it's not something they've encountered before, but daemons are supposed to be harmed by the presence of blanks.
No one seemed perturbed by their presence, either. Is James Swallow unfamiliar with blanks or something?
>>45621041
>getaloadofthisheretic
>>45621142
We don't really know enough about the Sisters of Silence to really get a feel for their abilities. Inferno should help clear that up.
>>45621142
>Is James Swallow unfamiliar with blanks or something?
Likely this.
>>45621142
>No one seemed perturbed by their presence, either
in fairness, most of the POVs in the book are space marines. Space marines can deal with some psychic uncanny valley.
