This is a rapier.
It is a terrible weapon for terrible people.
>>45296333
>>45296333
But that's wrong you retard.
I hate rapiers and the people that use them, but its a damned effective weapon.
You are only correct if we use the term 'terrible' to refer to the terror it causes in its opponents and the ruthlessness of those that use them.
>>45296333
Why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy8rhlK3kNY
>>45296349
Bleating she-goat please go. You don't even mace.
>>45296333
>>45296333
So rapier thread? Rapier thread.
I say it as Ray-Pierre
How 'bout you folks?
It's a pretty classy looking thing to have on your hip. Had a friend who swore to god they would use rapiers to fight knights, because the think blade was perfect for slipping into the folds of full-plate.
Anyway, morons aside, rapiers are fine but a lot of fictional characters that use them suck.
>>45296398
Ray-Pier or Ruh-Pier if I'm feeling lazy.
>>45296398
RAPE-year
>>45296371
>The only NPC in the story to actually gain any real life lesson from her experiences
Yea, no.
Also, doing Arcane Archer for the PC version, never done it before. Kind of interesting thus far. Do miss my Mystic Knight, wish I could find a PnP RPG the emulated it's combat style.
>>45296371
Shut up you froggy deepthroating pussy, go scarf down some more pies
>>45296333
It's a good weapon against people who haven't heard of armor (see Frenchman circa 1600), but stacked against chain-mail or greater, it would blow hard cock.
>>45296442
Good thing it was never meant for combat against armored opponents then.
>>45296333
I agree. Anyone sensible packs a pistol or other modern equivalent.
>>45296414
He's got a rapier confused with an estoc. A rapier has a thin blade, but an estoc actually has a thick, diamond-shaped blade that's useless for cutting, but good at slipping between the gaps.
>>45296465
Gunna have to ask you to hand in your neckbeard registration and grognard card please sir
>>45296398
Rape-ear. Not a good idea.
>>45296475
I didn't say I was sensible.
>>45296455
Kind of like a certain she-goat
>>45296432
Be they man or pawn, tis hard to do aught alone.
>>45296495
Wolves travel in packs!
>>45296495
>Pawn
>Paw-n
>Alone
>Uh-loan
These do not rhyme.
>>45296506
>>45296495
and now I can't stop hearing it.
>>45296517
wasn't meant to. Its a game thing.
>>45296398
Ruh-pee-ruh.
>>45296519
Careful, a goblin!
>>45296530
I didn't look up the proper pronunciation, but something tells me you are pulling a ruse.
>>45296519
They hold the advantage!
>>45296530
You're doing it wrong. Everyone knows it's rah-pee-air.
>>45296333
Show me on the dummy where the duelist stabbed you.
>>45296519
Tis weak to fire!While casting an ice spell
>>45296351
Underrated post.
>>45296398
Ray-pea-air
There's actually a subtle "yugh" type way you close the word people who speak French will put on it naturally, in the same way you finish saying "père"
>>45296506
>>45296545
>>45296554
>>45296580
Stop fucking memeing you pieces of shit retards.
>>45296519
Ah, master, you're back!
>>45296351
Was kind of hoping it would be edited to look like a rapier, don't know why
>>45296593
I wonder what's inside?
So were ray-uh-pee'rsyactually ever used in military combat? Or can we thank Finn for their common appearance in media?
>>45296608
soaked to the bone
>>45296593
So how would you fatfucks run a Dragon's Dogma campaign? Everybody as an Arisen, or have players be man or pawn as well?Don't forget lots of climbing, pinning, and tossing too.
>>45296616
Nah, they're primarily a civilian/gentlemans duelling/defence weapon for solving problems when cunts annoy you.
They where used and carried undoubtedly in various conflicts in small numbers as a side arm, but not as a primary battle weapon.
>tfw everyone loves Dargoons Drama
>tfw broken xbox
>tfw shitty desktop
>>45296593
thank you.
I get it now. Pawns are literally memeing non-stop. They can't help it.
>>45296616
Military, at best as a sidearm in the late 1500s.
They were, however, extremely common as sidearms and duelling weapons for gentry, merchants, and anyone who wasn't especially poor - duelling was *big* back in those days, and there was a much greater need for self-defence in general than there is in a modern country.
>>45296638
So, they were the guilded 1911 of the 1500+hundreds then.
>Rapiers are thrust only weapons that are lighter than their other one handed counterparts
Where do game devs keep getting this shit? It takes the same amount of finesse to use a longsword as a rapier.
>>45296620
Hold a moment! There's aught here!
>>45296632
You could do everyone as Arisen quite easily, given how many of them are running around at any given time.
Hell, Barroch has been in Bitterback for decades, if not centuries.
Dark Arisen, by the way, was so much fucking better than the base game.
>>45296632
I would have the party shipwreck on BB isle. Hilarious antics ensue,
>>45296616
They were used in a fair number of real battles, yes. They were not designed as such, though. People would have them as part of their civilian life, and then when war came -- or they came to war -- they'd just take it with them. As >>45296638 said, they wouldn't be a primary weapon anyway.
>>45296656
Except they actually got used on other people with remarkable frequency, unlike most carry showgunz these days.
>>45296599
I actually used it because the thumb looks like a sword.
>>45296632
Freeform, in the backyard, lemonade and pizza rolls served
>>45296632
All Arisen
Everybody has a pawn
>>45296656
Yeah pretty much the pearl handed swag weapon.
For actually fucking someone's shit up, the polearm, gun and various other types of sharp objects did most of the killing
>>45296660
For the same reason pikes are about eight foot long max.
>>45296653
Were people just getting mugged left and right? Or were these just red neck suburbanites fighting eachother over the last beer?
>>45296661
Always bothered me how they used the word "aught" to mean both anything and nothing.
Like goddamn, which is it?
>>45296414
Not really, what a rapier was really good at was getting in the first hit because of it's reach.
If the opponent had plate armor, shield and/or a polearm, this is why you also carried a pistol.
>>45296432
HOH HOH HOH HOH HOH
>>45296685
Rich people with family feuds, or just cash to burn and a desire to look like a tough guy.
>>45296685
Stabbing a dude for insulting your hat or being from the wrong side of town was not uncommon. I feel as though having grown into the sort of place it was on the backs of a long line of different warrior castes, Europe was essentially westabooing itself. Everyone was defending their honor because it was cool to do that.
>>45296700
aught is used to mean some/anything
naught is used to mean nothing
>>45296552
Either that or possibly saying it as if it were 'Rapira' Which DotA fans use a lot.
>>45296685
Probably a bit of both.
Sneaky vermin about your person sometimes needed to be put in their place with the only way they really understood- with 45" of carbon steel rammed through their vital organs... then you call the police.
Duels and honour where also a big thing for a long time, someone calls your wifeu a fat bitch, you stab the cunt.
>>45296700
>aught meaning nothing
It explicitly means "something"
You're thinking of "naught"
>>45296398
Rape-ee-urr (as in something comparatively more rapey) but with the middle syllable de-emphasized to the point where it's almost indistinguishable from rape-yer (as in "I'm gonna rape yer mom").
>>45296685
It would be pretty possible to get mugged on the road and, at best, left with the shirt on your back. At worst you could definitely die.
I mean, this isn't "lol bright sparks in the dark" or whatever 3e D&D was going for, but it was big enough of a worry that people would take something with them. Plus, if you *can't* fight a duel, you're a pussy. You don't actually need to fight one -- but not being able to is pretty wimpy.
>>45296700
It can mean both, because on the one hand aught means anything, but on the other hand it's a shortened version of naught.
>>45296734
I wish.
>>45296728
Or, you know, disagreed with you on who just won the pool game
Or said that the ship in the distance has a different color sail
Or likes a different person on some debate
Or studies different philosophy than you
Or you both write poetry
Or, you're, like, drunk as shit
>>45296728
And then you go home and fuck your fat bitch of a wife
>>45296751
>Or studies different philosophy than you
DAMN THOSE CONTINENTAL PLEBS.
>>45296488
>>45296349
>>45296371
>>45296427
Who's that and where it's from?
>>45296742
You are entirely wrong about the aught thing. Your pawns were just pointing shit out to you and you were too thick headed to notice.
>>45296616
After the propagation of firearms but before the advent of the bayonet, IIRC. It wasn't a long period.
>>45296751
Or one, or god forbid, both of you happen to be Irish.
That last one always gets a good duel going.
>>45296751
Yep, people haven't really changed much over the years.
We just don't stab each other nearly as much any more... or at least in any way considered elegant, but the chances of being punched for something trivial is about as good as it ever was.
>>45296721
>>45296734
>>45296742
I must need to crank the volume on that game then. Could've sworn the used "aught" for both meanings. Example >>45296495 this clearly only works with the "anything" meaning, but then finding empty loot caches would prompt a discouraged "There's aught here"
>>45296685
Yes and no
Crime rates were tremendously higher in those days, but there's also the thing that the guard did not really solve crimes because of the limited methods of investigation, they just reported them and kept the peace.
They didn't have cars or necessarily horses either, so I'll take a while for them to show up during disturbance, which means you're gonna have to fend off attackers by yourself until they arrive.
>>45296773
>Irish
>Rapiers
I refuse to believe
>>45296755
Honour demands it!
Then later we sneak off for gin and fuck some sluts, or for the very rich, some mistress
>>45296764
Only the best /tg/ game to be rereleased this year on PC
>>45296764
Obviously it's Casca from Berserk.
I mean, Gizka from Song of Swords.
Wait no, it's Mercedes from Dragon's Dogma.
>>45296774
It's actually a lot less likely, given that your social standing is no longer determined by how many duels you've fought.
I wish I had the old book on dueling, it had statistics on duels in Europe. France lost something like a forth of it's nobility in a decade to dueling at one point.
Had some great stories about famous duels as well. There was one where a local lord heard about two of his nobles starting a duel and sent people to stop him, who kept joining in on their own duels when they got there. Something like 4 duels had started before the whole thing got broken up.
>>45296786
Don't need a rapier to fight a duel.
You, could, for example, take turns throwing pool balls at each other.
Or fly up in air balloons and shoot at each other.
>>45296804
I'll never grow tired of this kind of character.
>>45296817
>You, could, for example, take turns throwing pool balls at each other.
One of the guys fucking died from that, didn't they?
>>45296777
"There is something here"
They're triggering off something different. Read some books. "Aught" just means "positive but undefined." Same reason we say that we "aught" to do something when we can't or don't want to explain why.
>>45296804
>>45296827
She looks nothing like Gizka, Mercedes is more cute and her hair is more poofy
>>45296784
Hasn't really changed at all is what you're saying.
What about the main gouche, daggers and short stabbers and cutters. I remember reading they were butter knife sharp, but still stabby.
Did those see use?
>>45296805
The toll on things like the English officer corps was also fairly substantial, especially in things like the navy where people where half-fucked on rum most waking hours and took offence and most anything. Plus rum always puts most people in the mood for some violence.
>>45296427
Mystic Knight is just Paladin/Magus/Spellsword but with focus on shield buffs
>>45296828
I think so, actually.
But generally, most duels were pretty fatal unless they were bare handed, which very few were. It was a matter of honor(and earning noble street cred), so they often did things the hard way.
>>45296685
If you didn't put up a fight when you got pushed around, guess what happened?
More people would show up and shake you up for everything you own.
This is why duels were so common. Family needed to show everyone that they're willing to fight to the death if anyone tries to fuck them over, which serves as a powerful deterrent to anyone who would.
>>45296838
It's the skin, I think. Their hair is completely different. They'd probably look pretty similar if Casca or Gizka used more hair products. Mercedes is also a bit more feminine in general, though.
>>45296789
A bastard in every belly, that's the noble way!
>>45296856
Not just the shield buffs though. Great Cannon and Sigil were it's two big damage spells, so it had a trap sort of gameplay. And the shield buff setup was dealing damage defensively, building damage by defending rather than attacking.
>>45296864
It depended. If you were English, you were fighting to first blood and that's it, son. But if you're German? You're going all the fucking way.
>>45296841
Rapiers are also cutting weapons. You realize that, right? People defended themselves with all sorts of crap. Knives, warknives, maces, etc.
>>45296866
Well, that and you had a bunch of rich, nothing to do with their life men who were told that honor meant a hell of a lot and that real men got into duels.
And it really impressed the chicks as well.
>>45296884
Yea, but even first blood was often a rather fatal experience.
What's funny is all the dueling that went down in America that we just don't talk about.
>>45296764
Mercedes from Dragons Dogma, a very flawed but very good game about a Dragon that shows up in your village one day, screaming in Latin, who tears your heart out of your chest and magically keeps you alive because you were the only one not to run. Then you go on a quest to slay the Dragon. It's kind of like dark souls meets monster hunter with curayzeee combat abilities. Big problems with clarity and.polish, but the underlying mechanics are dick hardeningly good and the plot becomes surprisingly sophisticated towards the end
>>45296884
First blood with a long stabbing weapon is going to mean death or immediate disability unless you've got an "okay but no actual stabs for real this time bro" rule going on.
>>45296939
I was talking about longsword duels, actually. Rapier was significantly more dangerous, yes.
>>45296939
>>45296906
>Yea, but even first blood was often a rather fatal experience.
Pre-Antibiotics, medical care involved 'leeches' and more bleeding of some sort and if you're really lucky it was only something like a drawing cut that could be stitched up and hopefully not infected.
Being stabbed and sliced up in the old timey days was really bad shit
>>45296930
The character classes were fucking amazing once you started looking at them.
It's quite neat how differently the classes approached fighting the exact same creatures and bosses.
>>45296841
Well, anatomically speaking, humanity has remained largely unchanged for over 2000 years for the most part.
The same problems people had during the age of the Roman empire, dark ages and renessaince will keep occurring in different forms for the same reasons.
This is why those who do not read history are doomed to repeat if. This is why those who shit on the bible because they disagree with the church are retards.
The bible is a super old record of stories and because it's so old, the stories that hold relevance today allow you to grasp unchanged parts of human nature.
This is why the old testament is in terms of historical value more important than new testament.
>>45296333
This is an opinion. Everyone is entitled to one.
>>45296432
There's a Manga!?
>>45296468
This. Estoc Is basically a long spike, size of a bastard sword
>>45297009
It's a Japanese game. How is that a question you needed to ask?
>>45296906
Honor did mean hell of a lot. The more honor the family had, the more likely they'd be to murder you for dishonest dealings.
>>45296967
They did actually manage to learn how to treat cuts and stabs quite efficiently.
After all, this had been an issue that needed to be addressed for the whole of recorded human history ever since folks started picking up pointy sticks.
>>45297045
Maggots, wine, stitches, priest, next patient
>>45296432
>was deliciously brown and out of her depths
>now some shitty animu uguu
Fuck this gay earth.
>>45297045
Efficiently but not effectively. Cuts maybe they can sew up and pray. A deep stab meant you were infected 98% of the time and doctors couldn't do shit against that.
>>45297063
That scene is pretty much exactly what happens in the game, and she's hardly a moeblob in the page you're looking at.
So what's your issue?
>>45297082
Anime is the devil
>>45297093
It's a Japanese game, from a Japanese company.
>>45297052
Medieval surgeons were actually quite good at their jobs. John Arderne in the 14th century was right up there, willing to give you opium to dull the pain, charge a reasonable price, make you laugh while you're getting treated to help you deal, and cut out your anal fistulas with all the skill of a man who saw people get mutilated horribly in the Hundred Years War.
>>45297104
>anal fistulas
I swear to god, reading about medical problems in the middle ages is so much fucking fun.
There's so much fucked up shit that no one even consider having to deal with anymore that was common as fuck back then.
>>45297097
The devil
>>45297104
If anything the problem was common peasants being afraid of medicine and trying to either suck it up or pray the pain away
>>45297052
>>45297078
They did figure out that cleaning the wound does indeed help healing.
Also applying alcohol to the wound helps it heal. They figured out that lancing a wound does keep a lot of people from dying.
They also had a shitload of ways to stop bleeding. Lot of the modern medicine today is based on the same plants they used in those days.
The issue with the physicians of the day was not that they didn't have the methods to fix up the problem, but rather they could often get the wrong treatment for the wrong issue because they misdiagnosed.
They kept meticulous records on what works and what doesn't and tried to stick with what works.
>>45297045
Its fairly scary stuff though, like when the yanks decided to punch-on in their civil war, something like 650k just dead, another 450-500k wounded- but lived and probably another 400k that just ran away, died, got vaporised and no one knows where the fuck they went.
On top of that, for every 3 that just got shot, blown up, stabbed and died as a result of conflict, about another 5 died from injuries, disease, malnutrition and all manner of otherwise preventable things.
I mean I look at my service in the military, we had a case of the squirts go through our unit because crazy fuckers where chasing people through irrigation channels and being grubs by not washing their hands well enough. But aside from that, we had some wounded which 9 times out of 10 where fine in a week or two- three at the most, including myself (twice) being blown up a bit.
So I dunno, they did what they could with what they knew, but it really wasn't enough prior to WW2, heck my grandfather fought all through the pacific, but for half his service he was either laid out with typhus or malaria. Crazy stuff.
>>45297141
The thing to remember that in the medieval mind, doctor and surgeon are basically entirely separate professions. Doctors prescribe leeches and examine your urine to determine what's wrong with you, with a few effective herbal remedies mixed in with the chaff. They weren't so effective, as they did prescribe prayer and make diagnoses by using astronomy.
Surgeons are the guys who cut your shit up when things are in the wrong place and sew your shit up when your insides are on the outside. These guys had better success and had some surprisingly sophisticated methods, though infection remained a problem and anatomical knowledge was fairly primitive.
It does help that the miasma theory of illness is actually a pretty decent early germ theory, since all the things that cause infections, like corpses and sewage, also happen to smell really badly.
>>45297165
>tfw learning about John Snow in middle school
I've been scared of the shits ever since
>>45296333
Why haven't they refined the design into a Rapiest yet?
>>45296764
>>45296974
It's because each color follows the traditional class triangle of melee combatant/fast nimble striker/magic-wielding backliner, and then each class itself implements different abilities through the weapon types.
>>45297155
Shot wounds were far more lethal than stabs and cuts because they did not have any tried and true methods of treating that yet.
They kind of still are because tearing wounds don't heal so good.
>>45297189
The Hybrids were where it got really interesting. All three of them had the tools to fight just about everything, but did so in such drastically different ways.
Hey wait a minute you guys, this isn't /v/. You guys tricked me.
>>45297198
Stabs aren't as-common in the mil, civvies tend to have quite a few of them go through their doors quite often as the knife is still a popular choice for miscreants and degenerates everywhere :)
Cuts are still quite common, shrapnel, jumping on things, falling off things and all that will mess you up.
Shots are nastier, simply by benefit of technology as the gun is just a far more effective killing machine than it was 150years ago.
>>45297165
>also happen to smell really badly.
More like those organisms that happened to be repulsed by things that spread disease survived for longer and passed on their genetics.
>>45297448
Your Technicality Award is in the mail
>>45296830
That's "ought", though, not "aught".
>>45297146
And thus all that knowledge built up into today's modern medical practices. Hats off to them!
>>45296702
Rapiers aren't bad swords, though they were too long to be useful in tight quarters. They also were (mostly) popular after plate armor had become quite rare.
A backsword, smallsword or broadsword were more handy day to day. Easier to carry around and more useful if jumped in close quarters. In a duel a rapier is a very nice sword.
>>45297453
I don't think you understand the magnitude of the difference.
>>45297615
Variant spellings.
>>45296333
>Hating on the musketeers
Faggot.
>>45297713
>Musketeers
Faggot.
>>45296685
Oh yeah. If you walked around with money in those days you'd better have some ability to defend yourself. Either a servant or two that can break heads or a sword. Even if you weren't carrying money you might get kidnapped for ransom on the basis of looking wealthy.
Basically, it's like walking around the worst parts of Brazil.
>>/k/
>>45296656
Even more broadly than rapiers, swords were generally sidearms; carried into battle in case your primary weapon broke or was lost, carried in peace time as a socially acceptable weapon.
Very few people went into battle with a sword as their primary weapon.
If you think of arming sword being to pistol as lance is to assault rifle, you're not totally off-base.
(Zweihanders are one of the exceptions)
>>45296333
Rapier's look cool as fuck though.
>>45296432
which comic is this?
>>45297246
>using a ferrystone in combat does nothing, but they still bothered animating it fail
goddamn how much shit did they stuff in this game?
>>45297693
Ye-Olde dagger sort of had a place too in defence when you just needed something for in close.
Mostly useless when someone's waving a proper sword in your face as you'll just get stabbed to death about 3-4 times before closing the range if they know what they're doing, but better than being unarmed completely. Think that's more or less a major component to fighting with sharp objects is that you have to accept mentally that you're probably going to get hit at some point, its going to hurt, its going to be really messy with a lot of screaming. At least that's how they taught close combat in the military... give me a (modern) gun any day of the week!
The rapier itself wasn't completely useless in close like a lot of the sabres as well of the era, that big hilt was excellent for defence against sword strikes, but in a pinch up close you can punch the mass of it into someone's face and they're going to be very unhappy, the cross-guard can be rammed into eyeballs and you can use the pommel to pummel in a skull. Nasty, nasty stuff
>>45297970
No, you can ferrystone in combat. The thing is that nothing happens if you have a ferrystone forgery from that dude that makes forgeries of any item.
So, you came to the right conclusion by mistaken reasoning I guess.
>>45296726
that's because it's Russian for rapier.
>>45297763
>I have never been on /tg/ or /k/ in my life
>>45297876
Zweihanders are basically flashy polearms where the pole is made of steel.
>>45298013
They're basically the same as how people carry knives despite pistols being a thing.
>>45296351
>>45296599
Hope you like it Senpai. Made it just for you.
>>45296838
There's also clearly a shield involved but that's besides the point.
>>45296616
>finn
That's a funny fucking way of spelling dumas, anon
>>45296773
>dueling Irish peasants
>not just shooting them like a rabid dog
Do you even English occupation anon?
>>45296565
>>45298596
That game sure as hell isn't.
>>45298586
Hey hey hey! Protestant Irish are good little boys.
>>45296632
I would say everyone is an Arisen. The whole point of having pawns in the game was to simulate the four man D&D party.
The main problem with running it would be that the combat would be pretty tough to simulate. I don't know that locational damage has ever been done particularly well in a TTRPG.
>>45298614
I feel a great disturbance in the gaming community... As if a million butt were hurt and suddenly mad...
>>45298614
>orangemen
>Irish
You're a funny guy, anon
>>45296700
>>45296721
>>45296734
I play with the subtitles on, and they definitely are saying aught.
It bothers me too.
>>45298647
>Any individual
>Irish
Hilarious.
>>45298641
I fucking love Undertale, anon. But I know it fucking isn't underrated.
>>45296930
Goddamn, this is the best summary I think I've ever seen of this game. I'm screen capping this.
>>45296999
Excepting that the Old Testament is essentially Hebrew propaganda. There was no Exodus. Solomon did not rule the entirety of the world, and a great deal of the Psalms are Hebrews being pissy that they were conquered, exiled, and scattered for not paying a tribute they agreed to pay.
>>45298712
That's not what he meant.
He didn't mean from a historical events point of view, but from a historical values/how people thought point of view.
>>45296333
>It is a terrible weapon for terrible people.
But that's all weapons. If you wield one you've stepped from the realm of being a decent person into - at best - the one of being a necessary evil.
>>45298734
Fair enough, but there's better sources for Europeans. He is also the one who said those who don't read history are doomed to repeat it, and I would hardly call the Bible "history". Historical, certainly.
>>45298764
Why.
>>45297693
>A backsword, smallsword or broadsword were more handy day to day.
Herr Silver, sind Sie das?
>>45298764
No you fucking retard that's...that's... fuck, you're right. Even in self defence, you're taking your attacker's life, which is exactly a necessary evil.
>>45298764
>>45298809
What if the attacker was a frogposter?
>>45298809
No, he's not. There's no such thing as evil. The only thing that should be avoided is acting against your self-interest.
--Bearing in mind that "your self interest" includes "keeping those you love away from harm" and "not doing something that would fuck you up".
>>45296333
fuck you, it's the only 1d8 finesse weapon
>>45298764
Go get bullied by Taoists, old hag.
>>45296640
My three year old laptop runs it on high
>>45296736
Bernie Sanders's sex essays: a little rapey
Bill Cosby and Bill Clinton: rapier
ISIS: rapiest of them all
Go away George.
>>45298712
>There was no Exodus
>never heard of hyksos
I think we're going to need a bigger fedora.
>>45296398
I assumed it was pronounced Rah-Pierre.
>>45298880
I couldn't remember if they had bumped that up to an 8 or not. God damn that's fantastic. Makes me want to roll up a Battle Commander (or whatever it is) archetype fighter with high Dex and Cha.
I wanna play Errol Flynn dammit.
>>45297198
Really being stabbed and being shot works on the same principle if you read academic studies of wound lethality. The deeper and wider the wound channel, the more likely you are to die from any given placement.
Bullets go through bones easier and tend to make wider and deeper wound channels in soft tissue, so it stands to reason bullets are more dangerous than being stabbed on an individual basis.
>>45297876
Sword as primary weapon was a lot more common in China and Korea IIRC. Also horsemen, sometimes.
>>45298013
Knives or certain kinds of daggers are also useful tools, which explains why everybody and their mom had one 500 years ago.
>Think that's more or less a major component to fighting with sharp objects is that you have to accept mentally that you're probably going to get hit at some point
Depends on which sharp object. With knives incidental damage is almost unavoidable, but with larger weapons you can usually use leverage, timing, and distance to keep yourself safe.
>>45298790
You know, Silver's commentaries on the rapier largely predate the ornate hilts that tend to be on display in museums today. Once they get a good guard on them a lot of his criticisms aren't as solid.
Ironically, that anon's commentary doesn't agree with Silver's, though - Silver had a real problem with crazy rapierists running up on each other to grappling distance and both getting stabbed and dying.
>>45296789
Now, in the context I'm reading you sneak off with your wife, to some secluded pub that sell siphoned off gin from local baron's stock. Get hammered on that 28% alcohol content, then you and your fat wife (whom you must be very wealthy, or very miserly to feed so well) tag team some chamber maids.
>>45296886
Well, that was exactly what I was asking, did people forgo the reach of ye rapier, or other nimble tip slashing poking weapons? I recall reading that fights among seasoned duelists was more along the line of a wrestling/krav/juijitsu beat down with sharp objects thrown in, but I really don't know what to believe at this point.
>>45296967
It's worth noting that leeches were actually effective for treating certain ailments, since they consume tainted blood just like regular blood, and you want that shit out. It wasn't just wild guesswork.
Bleeding people, on the other hand, was based on the Four Humours theory of medicine, and was genuinely harmful.
>>45300243
Is there ever any situation where bleeding someone isn't a horrible idea?
>>45300281
Bleeding inside the cranium.
>>45296425
more like Rape-Yeah
>>45300243
Not a doctor, but only thing leeches still get used for are contusions and some kinds of plastic surgery where there's a risk of blood clots and stuff.
Personally I hate the slimy little cunts, done too much hiking around in shitsville country to ever love them.
>>45300411
Trepanning, now there's a fun bit of old timey surgery!
>>45296333
I agree, rapierfags are the worst.
>>45296398
Rape-Yurr
as in I raped yurr mum
>>45300479
Oh sure, we don't use leeches much now. We don't use maggots in medicine either. But back then both were some of the best options available, and were reasonably effective. People hear "we used to use slimy, crawly things in medicine all the time" and think that ancient doctors were universally quacks, not realizing that those treatments were as effective and sanitary as was possible at the time, and that doctors actually had some idea of what they were doing.
>>45300670
>Oh sure, we don't use leeches much now. We don't use maggots in medicine either
actually we do
In fact medicinal maggots are an extremely efficient way to treat partially rotting wounds.
>>45300670
Maggots are making a comeback, whole stack of antibiotic resistant bacteria that tend to wreck tissue and can't be stopped with medicines.
So literally the only way to get rid of the infected areas and dead skin is with a couple of hundred maggots nomm nomming their way through it.
>>45300712
>>45300729
That's actually pretty cool. I guess the classics never go out of style.
>>45300712
>>45300729
Particularly effective because maggots also don't/can't (I can't recall which) eat healthy tissue.
>>45297246
>>45296333
>This is a rapier.
>It is a terrible weapon for terrible people.
It's certainly not called a "take-her-out-to-dinner"
>>45296773
We were always more fond of sticks than swords for a long time.
Im pretty sure it was illegal for an Irish Catholic to own a weapon for a fair while. I forget why...
>>45296519
We may find aught to use.
>>45296442
Actually, the rapier was intended to pierce armor like chainmail. The tip is super thin so it only needs to break one or two rings at most.
>>45298880
This. Every-time I roll a dex character, the rapier becomes the inevitable melee weapon.
They really need to buff basic spears and pikes.
>>45296333
But Red Mages aren't terrible. Just terribly stylish.
>>45296371
Mace a Shit, Julien a Shit.
Being on fire and grappling things superior, She-goat superior.
>>45296632
What >>45296664 said. Or >>45296673 would be pretty funny, too.I always make sure that Selene moves into my house, regardless of who I romance(Usually she-goat).
>>45296792
kek
>>45297246
>Not separating and fighting the Elminators and Living Armors piecemeal but just jumping into the fray, even as a warrior.
Now, what have we learned?
>>45297189
I love how the classes all are actually functional, unlike a lot of shit games.
>>45301867
Can you tell us a little more about the classes?
>>45296967
I'm always amazed at how recent an invention (or at least its popular use) antibiotics are. Nineteen fricken Forties.
I'd be dead several times over if it weren't for the stuff.
>>45296333
Look, some people just want to be rapier than others.
>>45301591
Yet it developped during times were plate armor was ''everywhere'' and when mail was only for covering gaps... when it was used. If you want to go for the gaps, a dagger is vastly superior to an elongated thrusting blade.
>>45301955
Fighter: Block and hit hard
Strider: Mobility and hit hard since it can use some of its skill while climbing giants
Mage: Nukes and nukes and nukes
Warrior: Giga weapon, so you can hit really hard, but no shield or second weapon
Ranger: Strider, but Super Focus on GIANT BOW
Sorcerer: Mage+, but you lose some of the core skills
Assassin: Riposte, Climbing, special skills for climb stabbing
Mystic Knight: All the cool toys of Fighter(riposte) and Mage(cool elemental spells), with special toys(Sigils)
Magick Archer: Strider, but with a Magic Spell Bow. Can also set itself on Fire.
>>45302383
We have pistols and stuff for shooting people in day to day contexts and they work quite well for that.
It doesn't mean a pistol is necessarily what you want to have when facing a guy using a tactical vest with ballistic plates. If anything you will be fucked.
But the pistol has it's place, as a weapon of self defense or attack, or as a sidearm in war.
Blades like this existed in such times and were effective at say, stabbing a guy when you were walking on the street or needed to duel, or whatever.
You would be at a disadvantage fishing for weak spots to stab with one against a guy swinging around a poleaxe or some other pole arm, because he's virtually invincible except for a few hard to reach spots he knows about and will defend very successfully, probably.
Even if you have the same armor, he can aim for those spots too, and also probably badly concuss you with blows to the head, or even outright penetrate thicker armor with a good clean blow/the right kind of point or geometry.
>>45298657
>The irish
>not irish
literally what m80
ill fookin fite ya
>>45296351
Fucking brilliant.
>>45298050
Ackchually that's a legit ferrystone, but ferrystones and portcrystals don't work on Bitterblack Isle. You try to ferrystone there it just hits the ground uselessly.
>>45303044
I would seriously doubt that rapier evolved from 15th century swords in order to defeat mail, that's just my point.
Rapiers were an all-around, cut & thrust sword that was simply more focus on the thrust than sideswords, just like in the High Middle-Ages, you would have rather pointy or rather cut-centered swords.
No need to think I know nothing about it and no need to try to explain those things to me dear.
Expanding on >>45302945's explanations.
Fighter: Has a sword skill for almost any occasion. Shield skills also provide utility, including letting an ally springboard off to get at an aerial foe, and blocking so good it hurts the enemy. Unblockables, fliers and magic tend to ruin it's day, though.
Strider: Fast. Daggers good for slash n dashing, also some stuns/trips, and thievery. Bow skills for handling fliers and clustered foes. can vault off of shields, and double jump. Can buy special arrows to inflict badstats/explosive damage. Made of paper, and special arrows can get heavy.
Mage: Has elemental weapon buffs, Blind and silence debuffs, one of the two de-buff removal spells and the only heal spell. Good attack spells as well. Can also levitate for a bit of time to cross big gaps. Unfortunately limited to 3 of the 5 elements in attack spells, squshy, and frequently the target of silence stuff.
Warrior: Shields. Are. For. Pussies. We BIG WEAPONS now. Think Barbarian. Can leave self open to attacks to charge one of the most devastating melee moves in the game. Limited skill slots, though, and no air game.
Ranger: Longbow sniper. Seriously, if you can see it, you can hit it. And one skill gives you basically a scope, so you can see a lot. can also use special arrows. bare-bones dagger skills, more fragile and less mobile than Strider.
Sorcerer: See that group of guys? Fuck them and everything around them. can cast METEORS and TORNADOES. Lightning shroud spell is the absolute tits, especially when you push it out onto someone clinging on a big beastie. Also, only spell to remove stat lowering debuffs and petrification. Looooong casting times, and no heal spell.
cont.
>>45303813
Assassin: Versatile as fuck. Swords, shields, daggers, shortbows. Nasty skills for all. Extra stabby when climbing on something, and can use special arrows. No magic growth when leveling, and some of the more devastating skills require cunt-hair precision timing.
Magick Knight: Good combat skills, good spells. Magick Shield spells can hit enemies back for an element, or turn blocked damage into health. Self enchants, a spell that turns every melee swing into three seeking bolts when you hit the spell orb, and one that inflicts hits when foes step into the sigil. Combining them, while devastating, will also reduce your FPS to <20. Prone to being staggered/knocked down, and long casting times.
Magick Archer: Seeking shots, multiple elemental magic arrow shots, the lightning one turns corridors into deathtraps, ice one hits one spot multiple times. Dagger spell to increase your magic, or you can set yourself on fire and jump on things' backs, then go full stabbymode to add more damage. Staff skills are eh. Long time between shots, and not as accurate as the other bow users. Also unable to use special arrows, as you basically shoot spells from your bow. Anything immune to magic is going to mock your bow skills.
>>45303813
>>45303985
Which one is recommended for a first play-through?
>>45304335
whatever you want to play as
>>45296640
I want to get Dragon's Dogma for the PC, but they're only selling Dark Arisen, which is the expansion pack.
>>45304472
No, it's the complete game, plus the expansion.
>>45304472
It's the base game+expansion.
I bought it recently. Honestly I didn't like it very much. I keep hearing the story is great but I couldn't get past how damn clunky and empty the game is.
>>45298296
10/10
>>45297246
What is this?
![Madeleines+047[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OpQmLh9.jpg "Madeleines+047[1].jpg")
>>45296661
I'd gently squeeze Madeleine's madeleines before sucking and nibbling on them.
>>45304335
Not Warrior.
It's fun, but it's objectively the worst class in the game by a large margin.
For certain enemies you're at the mercy of hoping you've trained your pawn properly and set the inclinations well and that the 2 pawns you picked up aren't retards.
>>45296700
They fucking replace every instance "some, something, any, anything, nothing" with goddamn Aught and it drives me up the fucking walls.
>>45296398
Rah-pee-é
>>45296593
Their kind hates ice and fire both!
>>45296398
Rah-pier (but then I learned it from a Spaniard).
>>45304709
Maybe I just need to retry it as the magic archer everyone loves so much. I went in as a warrior and felt pretty much like that. Just twiddling my thumbs at anything large and flying basically.
>>45302945
No no no.
Mage: Nukes and heals.
Sorcerer: Nukes and bigger nukes.
>>45296517
They do if you're a Scot. Listen to "Blue Bonnets" or "Hey Johnnie Cope".
>>45297707
NO IT IS NOT YOU DINGUS. Merriam-Webster definiton, archaic:
aught
noun
Definition of aught
1: zero, cipher
2 archaic: nonentity, nothing
3 plural: the first decade of a century
"aught" in that sense means "nothing".
>>45296333
It's a duelist's blade. It's honest to goodness not designed for anything but fighting unarmored individuals who use other duelist blades.
... And looking fantastic doing so.
>>45296773
>Bogboys
>Not using Traditional Weapon: Shillelagh
You're right about the dueling, though.
>>45298296
I'm pretty happy
>>45296616
>Finn
>As if The Three Musketeers (every single one of them), Captain Blood (Or POTC, for that matter), The Prisoner of Zenda and the FUCKING PRINCESS BRIDE don't exist.
Children, I tells ya.
>terrible people
>terrible, terrible
Hello, reddit
>>45304709
Warrior is fine, but you don't have a tool to shot down things which requires you to shoot the wings, so you can't teach your pawn to do that.
But all classes are fine. You want to pick up the Sinew Warrior gets at like Vocation 5 anyhow.
>>45299463
Frenchfag here, this guy got it ,now take example at his prounounciations
>>45301867
Except if you want a good character you have to level either as an assassin or as a sorcerer for hours and hours. Sure the classes are all functional, but if you level up as some of them you're gimping your stat pool.
I don't mind because honestly assassin is the best class and gets a lot of weapons.
>>45303467
No, it says "this item cannot be used here" and doesn't even leave the inventory menu, you dummy. That's a ferrystone forgery, look it up on the wiki.
>>45304709
>>45305423
I had a warrior main pawn.
So there I was fighting my second Garm. We couldn't damage it at all. (How did I kill my first Garm? The Cockatrice in the same fight paralyzed it, lol.)
So there we are, we can't damage the Garm. I have sleeper arrows so I sleep it a lot, but we couldn't even get it onto half of its first life bar.
So I keep sleeping it, and by chance, my warrior main pawn headshots the sleeping Garm with arc of deliverance. Took his entire health. This kills the Garm.
>>45305743
>paralyzed
I mean petrified, obviously
>>45305743
Arc of Deliverance kills the damned near anything that sits still long enough for it to charge.
>>45305787
It's still impressive considering we were so low level we couldn't even do any regular damage to it.
>>45305829
Oh yeah, man. I hear ya. Lost many a pawn and wakestone to the bastards, and more to elder ogres and their surprise missile dropkicks.
>>45304918
I think Magic Archer and Magic Knight sit in the spot where they're both the best at killing a lot of the end game content. Even Assassin has a lot of trouble with Gorecyclopes and Death, and is dependent on the right mage pawn for Living Armor. Meanwhile, Magik Archer and Magik Knight are over here, laughing their asses off as they fucking murder Daimon in three minutes and then punk a living armor in 30 seconds just for shits and giggles.
>>45304601
It's an imperfect game, but it super, super picks up once you get into it. Dark Arisen is where the real meat is as well, both in story and challenge. Some of the shit in Bitterback Isle is designed to fuck you and your pawns, and it's not going to be nice about doing it.
>>45305877
>Elder Ogre
>Oh man, you've got all but two of my health bars? Better start swinging twice as fast and ignoring all your shit that keeps me from murdering you
>>45305663
>minmaxing
>in a game where weapon bonuses account for 80% of your stats
look at him, look at him and laugh
>>45306872
Was going to say, yea, stat pool leveling only really matters when you're trying for the speed runs and you need every little bit of extra damage.
In terms of playing normally, the stat pool stuff doesn't mean shit. Just pick the class you want to level and you'll get the stats you need for that class to be effective.
>>45296333
No.
