>resources
pastebin.com/P7jvSR5p
Six Smiths ain't dwarfs/duardins edition
You can't fix AoS.
First for $10 Liberators.
>>45292370
I want to say Gelt is one of the six smiths, the outfits look the same
So balance of power ePub up yet?
I like painting Stormcast but feel the Khornates are way overdesigned and kind of obnoxious to put together and paint. Anyone else have the same experience?Also I want to run an all vampire VC army but everyone groans at the idea of 'herohammer' what do
Before anyone starts raging at me, yes.
Im the guy who is doing lizardmen with the girlfriend who is playing khorne. Im new to tabletop completely but have loved warhammer for years. Age Of Sigmar may very well flop, but im glad to have gotten a box so as to say the I own some Warhammer miniatures. But the reason for my posting is hat I have a question about painting them up. I want something colorful, without being a pain on the eyes. What are some good color schemes for lizardmen that you guys like seeing? And what do you think of the pictures the AoS app has? If the lizardmen are Praise the Sun daemons, whats the deal with that midnight black thing they have going on? Seriously, before you tap the picture of say, a Bastiladon, its a cool picture, then you tap it and look at a close up, its a totally different scheme, and ive noticed all the updated lizardmen have the same motif.
>>45293979
I would really ask in the WIP thread, the thing with colorful is its going to take a lot of glazing and other techniques to look decent, that or airbrushing. You're in for some pain if you plan on layering each Saurus the old fashion way.
>>45292936
I would also like Balance of Power.
>>45293383
Run monsters, terror heists, zombie dragons, morghasts, grave guard are really good and a wight king for some extra protection.
>>45294589
Sounds like a plan! But yes, vampires. All vampires. Lots of vampires. Vampirehammer.
>>45295715
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/678339.page
My favorite battle report, von Casterin vs Glottkin.
>>45294331
>>45293979
OP resources link have GW painting guide for lizardmen, pretty colorful too.
Do we have pics out of the upcoming WD already?
>>45292370
It's very simple. You kill the AoS. Bring back the Fantasy ruleset with the new AoS models in their own factions. Drop the price down by 2/3rds.
Balance of Power when?
>>45297570
We have, but it is wolftime, not AoS.
>>45298087
Leave your comment there>>45272644,
and try to imagine that, you speak those line to other investors.
>>45298136
If someone upload BoP, I will unload the 1st book in epub format too.(I know we have scan of hardcopy already)
>>45298187
Scan of what?
>>45298187
>We have, but it is wolftime, not AoS.
That's the picture I posted a few threads ago.
It speaks about the Deathlords armies.
I fear it is the last chance for now to get a Death repack. So my hopes are high for that article.
http://natfka.blogspot.hu/2016/02/angels-encarmine-converted-from.html
this is why sigmarines were made, have no illusions
Here, anons, read some Black Rift of Klaxus while waiting for the Balance of Power book.
https://www.sendspace.com/file/t37lh6
https://www.sendspace.com/file/h6rv2s
Mega-anon, please, write a post when you up it in your storage.
>>45298728
Here is one of the MEGA-anons. The Awesome Library of Rho-Mu 31 will be updated soon.
How are Black knights vs Hexwraiths?
Is it worth using black Knights for the deathrattle formation, or are Hexwraiths that much better?
>april release sheet, ORRUKS AND MOBLINGS
>Battletome: Greenskinz
>Orruking on War Gargant
>Morobling on Gohmarak
>Orruk Axborn / Thugz
>Mobling Scrunts / Nigmors
>>45299504
>mfw when i can't decide if these names are joke or real
>>45299504
Source or just a early April Fools?
>>45299427
Black Knights, they are cannon fodder, just charges something, then heal and retreat. Not sure how Hexwraiths work.
>>45299427
The extra abilities that hexwraiths get doesn't make them better then Black Knights. The formation they get is also pretty decent if you clump all your skeleton units together.
>>45299504
Disregarding the fact this is, almost without doubt, bullshit.
Could you expand on those units? Sound fun.
I we're talking about the Undead....
This set looks pretty awesome but....
I prefer Coven Throne. Also maybe Black Knights. Is the special formation in the box worth it?
>>45300055
It's pretty standard, if you like any of the alternate units I would go with them, especially the cove throne.
>>45298187
>but it is wolftime, not AoS.
Apparently it's also the time for the great alliance of death...with the squatting of a lot of nehekarians
>>45293383
i love the insane amount of detail.
its a little intimidating to paint perhaps, but I watched the duncan rhodes vid on painting the starter kit, and then wrote out my paint list noting what colors I could switch around in order to give the group variety.
but yes, it is a great value as it gives you a lot to paint.
get them all based and a quick shade and layer, and then just start rocking our the detail on them.
I think your vamp army would be awesome.
you sould totally fucking do that, that would be awesome.fuck the haters, do what you want.
>>45293979
are you me?
>>45299911
So if I'm starting a skelly army, should I get black Knights instead of Hexwraiths and aim for the deathrattle formation?
>>45300055
Just remember that you're paying $100 for 8 D&D minis and an HG Gunpla made of ghosts.
>>45293979
first, as one Anon said, WIP will help a lot.
another is to type "bastiladon paint schemes" into google and browse the images.
If you have a warhammer or games workshop store, go in and talk with the employees. they tend to be awesome for helping with the brainstorming part.
I use an app called "citadel paint list" to create and keep track of my paint sets i come up with, and my wife writes them in a list on white paper and then does a small mark of the color next to the name.
I have other people help me as I am partially colorblind, but using the above methods has worked well for me so far.
Faeit is saying the Grand Alliance: Death book is going up for preorder next Sat, amongst the (final?) bits of space wolf stuff. Don't know if repacks means undead stuff, wolf stuff, or bits of both. The book at least doesn't sound completely implausible to me given there was undead stuff in the last campaign book, means it can dovetail in nicely.
>>45298268
Ooooh damn, no. Please, look at the scales problem ! No armor unity, too big arms or legs ... sigmarines are too tall for this
>>45293979
IN EVERY THREAD
>>45292370
You can't fix AoS, luckily it's dying.
>>45298087
Shh don't criticize too much or they will report you on mass and the mod who loves AoS and dicks will ban you.
>>45300576
Oh my God I actually though that was WoW art for a moment.
>>45300745
>partially colorblind,
Red/green?
>>45300816
>Grand Alliance: Death
How many warscrolls?
>>45301075
>thought
Anon, it is WoW in all but name.
>>45301583
Is it official art? In a book? Not in a mag or on a website?
>>45301616
What you're looking at is official Games Workshop art, published in a genuine Games Workshop book (which goes for something like $70).
They have fallen this low.
>>45301661
Merciful God, are the old art books for Fantasy or 40k in print at all?
>>45298268
lol looks like shit
>>45301741
I honestly don't know, but probably not. GW may or may not be going on a 1984 spree with the Old World.
>>45301795
It'll fit right in with the rest of AoS then.
>>45301569
green/brown
>>45300055
The Mortis Engine is a dual kit, its a Coven too.
>>45301741
As far as I remember, GW artbooks are always limited print runs.
Otherwise I'd have a copy of the Jes Goodwin Artbook.
>>45300055
>pastebin.com/P7jvSR5p
You can make a coven throne from that set. It has all the parts if I recall correctly.
>>45301569
>Grand Alliance: Death
>How many warscrolls?
DEATHRATTLE BONEZONE
DEATHRATTLE BONERS / CALCIUM GUARD
![attachment[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mK2dRRe.jpg "attachment[1].jpg")
Death incoming.
>>45303631
Of game?
![attachment[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ozmEI0I.jpg "attachment[1].jpg")
>>45303631
88 pages
13€
16,50$
>>45303631
>Legion of Death
Real creative naming.
>>45303631
Krell confirmed unalive? Or another character using his model?
>>45303653
Chaos was much bigger, wasn't it?
>>45303653
So Tomb Kings are Deathlords and Vampires are Soulblights.
I just don't care anymore. Have a bat.
>>45303733
Chaos has much more models, and Archaon is much more important than Nagash in Age of Sigmad.
>>45303653
>£10
Holy shit, the dart landed on "realistic price for an 88 page softback". I hope this pricing for the grand alliance books continues. Hell, I hope other GW rulebooks (codexes etc.) join this pattern, though that's probably wishful thinking.
35 warscrolls doesn't seem very many though, there's 71 products on the webstore currently. Even considering some of those are army bundles, and other stuff (like skeleton warriors) can be condensed into a single warscroll, it's hard not to worry some stuff might fall off.
>>45303776
No. Deathlords are Nagash + Mortarchs.
Doesn't look like Khemri is in there.
>>45303918
>Settra's FUCK YOU campaign against Chaos won't be mentioned
>>45300738
> $100
> implying that is a lot of money
Holy fuck you sound poor dude. Where do you work, McDonalds?
>>45304190
It's a lot of money for what you're getting in return.
I could literally get double the models for half (or even less) of the price GW wants.
>>45303918
Maybe it's just me but 'High Djaf' sounds pretty TK to me.
Best case scenario for me: repackage VC undead as 'generic' undead. TK themed upgrade kits with shields, khopesh etc.
>>45304190
Why is 'What are you, poor?" always the defense for GW's prices?
Has it never occurred to some people that a lot of us can afford it, but think the prices are horrendous anyways?
>>45303653
>stunning full-colour artwork
Well, they got the "stunning" part right.
>>45299504
Orc on war giant
New character
Boyz?
New snotlings?
>>45304747
This is obviously a joke dude
>>45299504
>Mobling Scrunts / Nigmors
>>45303653
>deathlord
Fine name, works.
>Soulblight
Terrible and not fititng.
>Deathmages
Couldn't they have been something like 'Darksoul Necromancers' or something?
>Deadwalkers
Cute reference. Drop it.
>Deathrattle
RATTLE RATTLE RATTLE
>Flesh-eater Courts
Works, you could have gone with 'Flesh-eater COunts' or 'Crimson Counts' for the Vampires now that I think about it..
>Beasts of the Grave
functional
>Nighthaunts
Another cheeky (self) reference. Also terrible.
D- apply more effort.
>>45304190
I make $18 an hour, that's STILL a lot of fucking money. That's an objective fact, unless you have no understanding of the value of a fucking dollar.
I could buy a Revell model half my size for that.
>>45304838
Flesh Eaters are Strigoi.
How much better would this game be if you had to use the Warscrolls detachments and you couldn't increase the unit sizes? Or rather, you buy a box, that's the max amount of models in the unit, and then you're limited by Warscrolls for how many units you can take total.
>>45304875
>>deathlord
>Fine name, works.
>>Soulblight
>Terrible and not fititng.
>>Deathmages
>Couldn't they have been something li
I'm just surprised there are no Deathknights. Could have used that for Grave Guard or Vampires if Vampire Count isn't viable.
>>45304889
Eh...I guess it would work.
That's kind of how it worked in 2e.
But those still need to be balanced against each other.
>>45304923
Of course, that is a given. Not that I expect GW to..
Though I get the feeling that the current warscrolls were as much experiments as they were stop-gaps. If this thing lives to a second edition we might actually see better implementationand I hope to god points values or some sort of list construction system that works.
>>45304912
They want maximum OCDONUTSTEEL so a name as often used as Deathknight wouldn't work.
Deathbarüns maybe. Redharsemen.
Or Deathcast Eterna-wait, they're going to give Nagash Sigmarine ghosts, aren't they?
>>45303631
Will it be online or will it be like the Chaos grand alliance book?
>>45300738
>mfw I just spent 100 dollars on pretty square bases so I can play both 9th Age and Age of Swiggity Swigmar
>>45305503
Says softcover.
>>45304845
$18 an hour isn't a lot of money
>>45306604
Its upper middle class wages for a two-paycheck no child home.
>>45306604
Where are you from? For my country 2880 dollars in a month is fucking PILE of money.
>>45306737
Nyc
>>45306737
When they measure in dollars primarily, I'd assume they're murricans.
I mean, in my second world hellhole even $1000 a month is plenty.
"grand alliance" of death
- Drops half of the existing undead units
- Adds nothing new in return
- can't be bothered to offer more than a single paltry formation to let you play the handful of old units it did bother to include in a new way
- almost sure sign that undead won't be getting any substantive new releases for AoS in the next year
Literally worse than nothing. But at least the book's cheap, I guess?
>>45306796
My condolences.
>>45306900
Destruction will get it worse.
Destruction will at least keep both of their constituent armies (orcs and ogres). You could at least call that an alliance, if not a grand one. The grand alliance of death is just vamp counts. Not only is it not grand, it can hardly even be called an alliance.
>>45307202
Squatting TK is stupid as hell, them and Skaven are the two things GW produces and nobody else does.
They have no third party competition on Egyptian skeleton soldiers.
>>45307202
They just like to have similar names for their books. Even if they did not release Lizards and Dorfs they have called the book Grad Alliance of Order with just sigmarines.
Except they already had a book title category for more exclusive releases: the Battletomes.
What if Age of Sigmar was a musical?
>>45308412
People would still whinge.Seriously though, it would basically be like Meat Loaf's rock operas, all over the top power jams.
Settra uprising when?
>>45305583
Eh, depending on the bases and how many it's ok. But not for those fucking toys.
>>45308832
Never. Tomb Kings are gone, we saw the Realm of Death and there is only Nagash's cathedral and unending Gardens of Morr.
>>45306900
>But at least the book's cheap
That is really big for gw.
>35 warscrolls
There are 39 vc + 26 tk in app, consider that all tomb kings won't be included, which 4 warscrolls will drop? My money on Bat Swarms, Count Mannfred(merged), Black Coach and Fell Bats.
>>45310126
They are gone, but tomb guards model and a !not tomb kings novel still around.
>>45310418
What is the tomb king novel?
>>45311107
Officially hype. TK now have all 8 realms to bring under the banners of Khemri.
>>45311107
MY DICK SETTRA DA BEST
>>45312601
AoS is saved. Khemri is the one true nation.
Still no Balance of Power?
>>45311107
>"Not exactly Tomb Kings, any more"
I swear to fucking god if they get turned into generic undead I will stab a motherfucker
>>45312601
Settra's dead yo
>>45315301
No, fuck you. Settra is out there doing flips and shit and killing chaos motherfuckers.
>>45315462
Y-yeah, anon
He's... he's definitely doing that
>>45315462
>yfw Settra and Gotrek are back-to-back killing daemons forever.
>>45315462
There is a theory that settra is Celestant-prime
>>45315462
There is still hope for man.
>>45308412
Lots of brown notes.
Settras going to come back with his new golden body he was promised and all the tomb kings are going to come back as statues instead of deathrattles. He's gonna kick the shit out of Archcaon and send the chaos forces screaming back to their gods. Then everyone is going to like Settra better than Nagash and will start following him as their God of death. Poor nagash will never catch a break. Sigmar will try to get Settras allegiance, to which Settra will reply "FUCK YOU SETTRA IS THE ONLY GOD-KING" and the tomb kings become the new antagonists of the setting
>>45300596
Yes Comrade. We are from future.
>>45315674
You know the worst part about this? Even as a joke its still better than any current ideas they have.
Fuck Chaos, for real.
>>45315674
Thats actually a pretty good concept, both in fluff and game terms. They could get rid of all the shitty old school skeletons and replace them with badass egyptian terra-cotta warriors, while still keeping all the excellent animated construct models they have now. Make a golden settra in a blazing flying chariot their giant centerpiece 20 wound super unit. Everybody wins.
Fluffwise, keep the war of the dead going on through the age of myth and into the age of chaos. In fact, make that the reason why chaos was able to fuck up the realm of death in the first place. Settra got sick of Ruling alongside his ancient enemy and decided "FUCK YOU GUYS SETTRA DOES WHAT SETTRA WANTS, AND SETTRA SAYS FUCK NAGASH" and rebelled against sigmars alliance, returning to the realm of death to conquer all of it and kick the shit out of nagash. With both undead armies out of the equation, sigmars armies are severely weakened and fall to chaos. With seta and nagash locked in battle, the realm of death is open to invasion. By the time the 2 death gods realize it, its too late and both are forced to retreat. Cut to the present, Sigmar sends storm casts into shysh to reunite with his old allies, but fears that gaining the allegiance of one before the other will gain him a new enemy.
>>45316370
>They could get rid of all the shitty old school skeletons and replace them with badass egyptian terra-cotta warriors
Now, I know you mean well
But I spent fucking money on those skeletons, man
>>45316529
Not to mention Terra cotta soldiers are a Chinese thing.
>>45315569
"SETTRA DOES NOT SERVE!"
For everyone panicking that they are axing all the TK stuff. Might it be possible that they are eliminating some 'double' units?
All the variations on skeletons will just become 1 warscroll, tomb guard and grave guard are merged, etc, etc?
>>45315674
apply for a job at gw please
this is fucken great
#settra2016
>>45317224
If you take a look at the factions supported by the new death book its more likely that TK just aren't in. The app counts 39 VC warscrolls and if you take out the special chars. 35.
They won't drop TK.
So any hope they will make new mini's for Jezzails/Globadiers any time soon? The skryre battallions look pretty good but so far they require quite a lot of jezzails and Globadiers.
>Anyone interested in a share of the Skulkers of Skullpass warscroll?
>>45311107
>>45315246
This is the problem Tomb Kings, Brettonnia and the Empire currently have in AoS.
How can there be Tomb Kings if Khemri was destroyed?
Who does Settra worship now all the Khemrian gods are dead? Do all the Tomb King forces work for Nagash since he's now the God of the Dead, even if that goes against their sole motivation? And who runs the Morgue Factory?
>>45317396
You can't argue with insetting explanations of a destroyed setting in the successive setting...
>>45317517
It's like: how can Skaven in AoS exist.
They took the Horned Rat, made it a chaos god, then took Skavenblight threw it in the warp and...
TADA!
>>45317396
For the same reason any of the existing factions can exist.
Their themes can still be applied to the new setting. Who is to say that there is no feudal kingdom of humans somewhere or a prussian empire of humans?
Regarding Tomb Kings, they might not be 'the Tomb Kings' anymore, but egyptian undead is still in the cards. Frankly we don't know all too much about Shyish in AoS, but VC and TK can still be continued there in a slighty new fashion.
>>45317576
Reading through the Fyreslayers book makes it sound like tons of shit is possible in AoS.
Egypt in Shyish sounds simple as hell.
>>45317600
Yeah, the realms are so huge and varied that literally anything is possible. Josh reynolds suggested that a variation of each culture that existed on the old world can be found in each of the realms. And pretty much every combination of races could probably have been found living together, seeing as even orcs and undead were part of the great alliance. I think the Khorne bloodhound BT even mentions a civilization of Duardin and Goblins! Pretty much anything you can come up with is justified in the vast and unexplored background of AoS.
>>45317719
>Bunch of Orruks side with Sigmar because he bashed Gorkamorka
>Stormgit Eternalz
So are we gonna get the Tzeench equivalent of the Khorne Bloodbound? Because I really really like those models but I much prefer Tzeench to Khorne.
>>45293383
>overdesigned
part and parcel of not just AoS designs, but GW's overall design aesthetic
>>45317719
Source?
The introduction of the 'infinite' mortal realms is the one thing I really like about the AoS background.
>>45317732
I like it. Remove helmets, put in black orc heads, and proper orcy choppas/ axes instead of the hammers, armor full of red and black dags.
>>45303653
>affordable softback
AoS is replacing LotR as their skirmish system.
>>45319233
It's a shame about the price of the minis tho.
>>45318685
He mentioned the source for each statement in his post. Josh Reynolds, Fyreslayer BT, Bloodbound BT.
>>45319388
Also a shame it's not as good as LotR.
>>45317719
Yeah but I feel the TK should be more relevant to the setting, especially SETTRA. (Also I love that autocorrect automatically makes Settra, SETTRA.)
>>45317355
Pretty much no hope at all, they removed all the skaven shit that didn't have a model and every old character, notice how every Chaos BSB is gone.
Buy a Warp lightning cannon and a box of Stormvermin.
Use the handful of Plagueklaw heads and put them on the Vermin, with some convertions and using bitz to make backpacks and GS the globes and masks you could make probably 10 or so.
The remaining SV can be given Kroot arms if you can abtain them to make very cheap Jezzails.
what's the skulkers? never heard of it
>>45317535
Fucking this.
How the fuck do Skaven 'tunnel through' reality? how is Skavenblight half sunken into the warp? are Skaven part daemons now? how does anyone travel any fucking where in this world
The realm thing is such a shit idea. Part of Fantasy's charm was it all took place on one world so everything mattered, unlike 40k where a planet can explode and it mean's nothing
>>45319968
>Part of Fantasy's charm was it all took place on one world so everything mattered
I suggest that, you should join this thread instead>45274465.
Joke aside, I will try to answer your questions.
>How the fuck do Skaven 'tunnel through' reality?
Much like their tunneling "technology " in The Old World, since they live in Realm of Chaos, a realm that connect to anywhere, so skavens can "tunnel through" the realm with trial and error. BTW, there tunnels collapse frequently.
>how is Skavenblight half sunken into the warp?
Classic skavens quaility, maybe Great Horned One rolled "misfire" when merging into Realm of Chaos.
>are Skaven part daemons now?
No. A lot of mortals exist in Realm of Chaos, under the regin of Dark Gods.
>how does anyone travel any fucking where in this world
Most of mortal do not travel thru Mortal Realms, and a few ways to do it. 1st, thru realmgates; 2nd via spaceships, Slann and seraphon go where they please; 3rd, by magic or teleport, even the Great Maw of ogors(ogres) can open portal for his worshippers. That's all I know.
>>45317535
>>45317535
>hey took the Horned Rat, made it a chaos god
The Horned Rat was always a Chaos God. The Skaven themselves were described as Chaos mutants/Children of Chaos even in the oldest lore sources.
What's wrong with you people?
>>45320981
He ascended to the pantheon of the dark gods. It indicates that while there are many chaos gods, not all of them are dark gods.
>>45320781
>
Classic skavens quaility, maybe Great Horned One rolled "misfire" when merging into Realm of Chaos.
Actually the sinking happened after. The Skaven fucked up with some arcane machinery.
>>45321103
Tell me something that I don't know why don't you?
There are countless Chaos entities and gods in the Realm of Chaos but there are only Four Chaos which spawned them all.
The Horned Rat ascended from being a lesser Chaos God to the main Pantheon of Big Four.
Balance of power been shared?
>>45321423
Not yet. We all humbly waitig anon to deliver.
>>45321526
No one's scanned the battalion warscrolls from the Chaos book either -_-
>>45319877
The plagueklaw heads are not in scale with Stormvermin, I use Doomwheel heads which are a pain to acquire. Will post a pic of the WIP when I get back.
Not too crazy about kroot arms either, they have non-human hands (4 digits, 2 thumbs) and are not in scale with most skaven.
Thanks for the tips, though atm I'm thinking about converting the Cannon crew(only clanrat which doesnt have a molded on arm)
The Skulkers is a battalion with jezzails, stormvermin and Stormfiends for Clan Skrye
>>45322306
>>45317355
Pic related, skulker battallion
>>45322388
You got the rest of the scrolls?
>>45322306
>>45322388
Thanks for posting, but..
>TWO units of Stormfiends.
Fucking Jewdubs man. i hate when a formation has a crazy huge minimum requirement.
Any other Skaven formationd about? i hope pestilens and moulder got some new stuff.
>>45322787
Pestilens already got two Battalion Warscrolls earlier in the narrative. Nothing yet for Moulder, Eshin or Verminus aside from the original ones.
>>45322889
Which two are they?
I don't wanna count the ' Hurrr buy a Verminlord/furnace + Realmgate' shit, fuck that weak cashgrab to sell their shitty terrain, it's not even a good formation.
I assume the second is one i've not heard of apart from the original 'Plague clawpack' in the pdf
I want an Eshin one that involves a few Assassins, maybe like a kill-team and you can mark a specific enemy hero as the target for more damage, etc.
Finally, what would /tg/ like to see in a Start collecting: Skaven box?
>>45322388
That's a lot of dakka
Are there any good Beastmen, Undead or Lizardmen formations?
Also how do you guys play the game?
>>45322432
Mag just the Skryre ones. Want them? There highres at least
>Yes I bought the battallions with in-app purchases
>>45322787
Yeah, All the Skryre battallions contain absurd amounts of Stormfiends...
>>45322968
Stormfiends, because all the formations I see and want require 2 units, or more.
>>45323175
Yes please!! Looking to play Skryre as everyone else in my group wants to play good guys.
>>45323175
Of course I'd be interested to see what you've got.
The images are from the app? I couldn't find where it stores the scrolls.
>>45323083
I think Lizardmen have only one currently on their warscroll.
Beastmen are kind of just Chaos Allies now, they removed all their named characters and some monsters and such. they appear in the Chaos tome
>>45323383
That's disappointing, not even Malagor is around?
Is the tome up for download anywhere?
>>45323362
Well get ready to buy Stormfiends
>>45323652
Ratmarines, man Ratmarines.
>>45323362
Part 2
>>45323689
App doesn't support portrait/1 page mode sadly
How much does GW pay shills?
I haven't seen or heard about anyone who has played AoS.
>>45323652
>>45323694
the names they are pulling out of nowhere are incredible, in the sort of 'only a 12-year-old boy would think this is cool' kind of way.
gascloud chokelung? gautfyre skorch? whyrlblade threshik? for real?
>>45323768
Honestly as someone who interacts with GW from time to time for my work, I don't really think that the 'shills' exist.
You'd be surprised how many people (unwittingly) do PR/Marketing for companies. Have you seen seen 9fag before the release of Fallout 4?
>>45323795
Yeah they are far too tryhard, honestly if these had been the names of the Warlock Engineers that lead the covens then it would have been better, but as it is...
>>45323825
it's really not good when people taking the piss with their own idiotic names are similar enough that you can't tell who's having a laugh and who's actually using GW names.
How the hell can a unit or formation be good or bad? What on earth do you people mean when you say that?
In the absence of any sort of balancing mechanic everything just sorta exists, it isn't good or bad. Sure some might have higher numbers, but doesn't that just mean your opponent lets you take more or less of them?
>>45323894
I'm curious if even actual AoS players use the stupid names.
Does anyone outside of GW employees and 12-year-olds call Orcs 'Orruks'?
>>45323975
Haven't you seen the people in these threads do it?
To be fair never seen Orruks, but have definitely seen people buying right into Ogors and Aelfs
>>45324005
>Ogors
People can't spell, so they just typo'd it and didn't notice.
>>45323965
I don't know.
I don't know anything anymore.
This whole game still baffles me. I want to like it but I just.. don't.. get it.Its like they've gone senile or something.
Can any kind and smart anon explain to me this affair with races' names? What profit for GW in naming them uniquely? Is there actuall danger that some smart ass will register rights for word "orcs" or "elves"?
>>45318614
Probably not.
Tzeentch always has less than anyone, and Slaanesh got nothing.
Also, what's this bullshit about Archaon taking all of Slaanesh's worshipers? How the fuck did that work?
>>45324005
>Haven't you seen the people in these threads do it?
Well yeah, but 4chan is nothing if not contrarian.
>>45317719
Can we say that the ruins of Nuln reformed and crashed into the Realm of Metal, becoming Nuln exactly as it was in the old setting minus the Skaven?
>>45323965
Cuz every non aspie can eyeball balance, compare the state troop battallion with the wander host battalion. Both are meant to do roughly the same thing. I'd prefer the state troop battallion.
>>45324129
No no Orc is not copywritable, but Orruk is.
So some company can make an Orc Warboss that looks similarish to a GW orc but they can't make an Orruk Warbass(tm).
It's so they can protect their own IP a little easier. If it was a new company, or a new game then I could see why, but this is a poor move in the eyes of established customers on an existing IP when there's no defensive IP enforcement being made. It just looks desperate.
>>45324005
Aelf, Ogor and Duardin aren't that bad, though if they wanted original names for the elves they could have stuck with Asur, Asrai and Druchii, or made up something along those lines. Same goes with dwarfs, they should have just called them Dawi.
Orruks is weird and takes longer to type out than orcs so no one is going to use it.
Its the fucking death faction names that get me. Deathmage? Nighthaunt? DeathRattle? when has the word "rattle" ever been threatening without the word "snake" immediately following it?
>>45324194
You need to remember that most copyright law works like this:
If you don't protect your IP (aggresively) you lose it. So making things cpoyrightable can sometimes just be common sense, since you know you are gonna end up in court.
Not saying that this is happening at GW, but I noticed that most people have a very limited knowledge of IP and copyright law. Not that I'm an expert by far.
>>45324181
>missing the point: the post
>>45324194
Thank, anon.
Still I don't understand. I still can buy Orc warboss from other company, who look pretty similar to GW one, put it on the table and name it Orruc or what ever as much as I like. And all other guys who plays with me will see and identify it as Orruc if we play AoS. What rights they want to protect? Right to write this new name on the cover of the miniature's box?
I'm confused.
>>45324171
Absolutely no reason why not. You could also say theres a district of azyrheim that looks exactly like nuln and is inhabited by previous Nuln citizens. Or you can do alternate versions of Nuln in each of the realms. Almost anything is possible
>>45324272
Yes I'm aware (some aren't) about actually protecting your IP to maintain it but there are other ways of maintaining your market presence that doesn't involve using laws to do your job.
In some ways (and I understand the purpose of IP protection, don't get me wrong), usurping the competition is making a better product, providing better service and being a better company. Not smashing every competitor with a hammer each time a new one appears. China for instance doesn't give a fuck about IP (generally), you have to beat them by being better, not more aggressive. Right now they're being very EAish, if you know what I mean.
>>45324281
I'm just saying, just because there is no numeric value, doesnt mean you can't think something is cool/good.
Maybe people think think that a certain rule or battallion gives them a cool gameplay hook. Thus it's deemed good
>>45324396
Thing is, let's say you've invested quite a lot of money into an IP. And then some jackass (ab)uses your IP to make a quick buck.
That is something that can bankrupt your company. Because esspecially in games/film/etc IP is really the only truely valueable thing you have.
And because of the law, you have to defend it very vigoursly or risk losing it in the eyes of the court.
Again, not saying that's a good system, or that you have to squash everyone who is infringing in a minor way. But I am getting quite sick of everyone demonising every major company for protecting their IP. Like Ubisoft and EA are fighting over the ghost trademark. I can imagine that neither company is really looking forward to the court case, but the legal system is forcing them(in a sense)
>>45293383
the Khorne units are fairly straight forward. In a way I like them better than the older warriors of chaos because they look more like gladiators than vikings, it just fits. Could have been much worse, like every spike has a skull on it.
>>45324236
>Deathrattle
how is that going to work. Mad Max has a custom vehicle called the Deathrattler, and I don't see how they can slap (tm) onto a term like that.
Why not just make models cheaper so you don't have to protect yor IP
>>45324886
No I'm not demonising them. The ghost thing is fucking stupid though. Gentleman's agreements can be had. It's worse with patents right now though if you look at how easy it is to operate shell-company patent attacks against mega-corps for cash.
Here's the thing, GW wanted firmer protection of its IP, something that actually came from an aggressive action they took themselves. The tyranid debacle. What happened though was it made the company more closed. They're now even more tight-lipped than they used to be. There seems to be us vs them, where us is GW and them is the customer. They're trying to do what Apple did, without the competence to produce surprise products. What they get is a groan from the stalls, not applause when something new appears.
A lot of people got upset (rightly so IMO) when they basically refused to acknowledge anything was happening before BAM all change. Even after that point there was poor corporate cohesion on the new game. They couldn't even coordinate the rollout of websites/marketing properly. It was drips, not waves.
I was reading the 1d4chan entry and in the After The End Times section it says that "the next part is sketchy". What does that mean? It it true or not?
Please answer, I'm deciding on whether I want to buy books which tells me if I want to buy models.
>>45299504
>nigmors
>>45325089
Yeah their communication has been really awefull. Which doesn't help with the brand image they are trying to create.
They want to be the friendly neighbour with the nice, cool and expensive toys.
But the image they are creating at the moment is more of a patronising demon with cool and expensive toys.
>people should stop whinging so excessively about GW prices though. Have they ever tried a truely expensive hobby?
>>45325005
Or advertise so your IP is iconic.
Right now the mainstream thinks Warhammer stole their Orcs from Blizzard. You need to dispel that, not give up and start over in a niche.
Now people who like Grimgor in Total Warhammer and want merch will see Age of Sigmar Orruks and pass on it thinking they missed the boat.
>>45325100
What exactly?
>>45325160
Without the Charisma to pull it off either.
>>45325005
You can have a TM on an exisiting thing, as long as it's different. It might also be about how unique your universe is in general.
if you create Gothic Superhuman Space Knight miniatures then pretty GW could say that you are infringing. But GW doesn't have copyright on Gothic, superhuman or Space knight stuff. And then the medium also plays a large role. Honestly it's not a mathematical thing and every case is different.
>>45325231
Like, any of it. Does that mean its all untrue? Or did someone vandalize the page?
>>45325232
Yeah, as always good communication would have gone a long way in the whole AoS debacle. And yes from a PR standpoint AoS has been a disaster. Gamewise and saleswise I can't really judge, my group is pretty enthused about the ruleset. New setting doesn't excite me all that much though.
>>45325160
>>45325180
They've also got the problem that in the digital domain the IP on display is the old (WHFB) not the new AOS. This to the passing customer is illogical and confusing.
They've really done themselves a disservice. I expect the 2016 financials will reflect that.
>>45325301
I really agree. I like the rules and that I can kinda bring what I want within reason, but the setting is not really working for me atm. We'll see when we get to the TK and elves for my part.
>>45325328
yeah 2016 financials might not be that good, but on the other hand you have to sow before you can reap.
When capcom went through a rough patch because they were restructuring everyone gave them a lot of shit as well, yet they were one of the first Japanese publishers to get out of the slump.
>>45323744
Wait in the app you get some free scrolls
Now some refer to duradin and some to dwarves
Are the later mortal realms and the former dwarves changed by which ever magic wind realm?
>>45325262
1d4chan presents its info in a sarcastic, jocular manner. They're playing on the fact that so many people are hating on AoS and that so far the lore is still underdeveloped.
>>45325400
>Are the later mortal realms and the former dwarves changed by which ever magic wind realm?
No. Dwarfs are the ancestors of the Duardin.
>>45325400
No. The Duardin are all the Dwarfs now. The actual Dwarfs scrolls are a placeholder until they get an actual AoS release.
>>45325366
Yeah most stock brokers aren't that clever in terms of long term stuff they just get by on having contacts and getting deals done
That's why we had shit where oil went up - economists say this will cause reduced demand etc - oil goes down - economists say this will mean more money in the pocket so people will spend more and demand will go up - oil price rises
There were economists on the news with graphs saying China would have 10% growth for the next 100 years because it had that rate for 5 years in a row
>>45325366
Thing is. Computer gaming is a growth market. Tabletop I would say less so. There's room to grow sure. But it's a smaller niche. The last thing you want to do is alienate existing customers whilst confusing new ones in the name of growth. If it was a random game system they slowly established on top of whfb then it might be a little less offensive to both groups. Problem is this might make less financial sense on paper and money rules the roost.
>>45325439
>>45325454
Okay thanks
I'm waiting to get into the lore - if it ends up too much chaos wank I won't invest in it
>>45325516
Tandem. Not random. Autocomplete.
Switching to tablet so lurking from now on. Decent thread I'd say. Shit/shill posting was pretty low
>>45325640
Thumbs up, anon.
>>45325517
>>45325517
just pull all the lore off the mega, its under resources in the OP. Pretty much all but the most recent books are there in epup or pdf form.
>>45325422
Ah, thanks. I see a lot of people hating it so I wanted to know if it was intentionally wrong to spread misinformation or really badly written or what.
>>45293979
Except AoS is nothing like the WHF of old.
I'm loved the look of WHF since the 90s but never got into it. Even considered buying the RPG from ffg. But were I to buy WH now if would be AoS which lore aside, has basically nothing to do with what WHF was.
I hope total war doesnt suck.
>>45326325
I don't mean to be rude but because of your summary there you are not a desired audience period you like what they are offering but you did not buy anything, that makes your input and feelings on that inconsequential. The bottom line is will somebody buy this or not and you along with a lot of other people we're not buying Fantasy.
At the end of the day that's what matters the most. We can argue about the reasons why and the trends that it's going and where it's going or not going but ultimately not enough people were buying.
>>45326119
Don't let all the Doom and gloom put you off of it. There are a ton of people enjoying AoS. There are plenty of YouTube batreps floating around for it, put out by multiple prominent producers of wargaming content. If you're questioning whether or not to get into it, I'd start there.
War of the Realms: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLliZQodsai-jE4gDmSTy3FxjMrn4_O9uW
Realms of Conflict - Warhammer: Age of Sigmar Battle Reports: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzrPO7KIAtwVBEtiGJXQ1YcmmMUp9kN2q
The Great Crusade - Age of Sigmar Battle Reports: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVYCMqmeLRl8DyOPuEChyOflgwxXXN5wJ
Warhammer Age of Sigmar: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-b0the1MK7r21ECBGzi9PkV5lJIIXA80
Reminder that you can get 3 Black Powder battalions in 15mm for the less than the cost of 5 Liberators.
Has this been discussed here yet?
http://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/ToS-Clash-of-Empires-Battleplan.pdf
Format for first AoS throne of skulls. The laurels of victory and underdog system seems pretty neat.
My only gripe is that 30 seems like an absurdly low number of models considering I wanted to take my night goblins and you need thirty of the fucks in one unit to do anything whatsoever.
>>45326510
I'm just really not feeling the story. It seems too much like a JRPG to me. I'm trying to see the good in it, GW lore tends to be deep and varied for multiple audiences to glom onto something, but all I've really seen so far is Stormcast Eternals and Chaos and neither faction appeals to me as lore or models. I really like the look of the Tomb Kings but they don't seem to even be in the setting yet, just their faction leader and I have no desire to buy his model.
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>>45326635
I dread the day that Bretonnia gets a book.
Could you imagine the fucking Brets in AoS?
>>45326662
Snail riders
Cheesecast immortals
The rules state you get a bonus if you do a 'allo 'allo French accent
>>45326662
Unchanged except they worship Sigmar and use the sign of the grail to represent him, no named characters, only appear next to Empire or Stormcast.
>>45326620
It's designed for school leagues so it makes sense for it to use a small amount of model.
>>45326662
They might be kind of neat, Alarielle is coming back, presumably to wreck shit so an army of humans that follow a badass hippie lady could be cool.
>>45326818
This isn't the schools league one. This is the full throne of skulls.
>>45326716
>The rules state you get a bonus if you do a 'allo 'allo French accent
>not getting a bonus for "French taunting"
>>45326762
This is probably gonna happen, unless they get squatted.
>>45326635
The fluff is not all Stormcasts and Bloodbound. They were just the first two big releases. The narrative will eventually expand to encompass the rest of the factions. Some of them are already getting their own fluff/Battletomes such as the Fyreslayers and Seraphon.
>>45325104
is that a deathrattler?
>>45326510
>There are a ton of people enjoying AoS
>ton
you misspelled 'ten'
>>45326510
>There are a ton of people enjoying AoS
>ton
>>45327196
I mean, considering how fat they tend to be...
>>45327283
Shots fired.
>>45326325
WHF and AoS are products and for products you vote with your wallet
As far as GW and every other company cares you've decided to vote for "no, I don't like this product" for both
>>45327066
Where was that? The free stuff only focused on two factions and kinda touched on the rest really quickly.
I'm not going to buy something to read the basic lore. I use the lore to decide on if I like a faction, so if that isn't free I don't know if I will care, meaning I don't care.
From 1d4chan it looks like only the groups that don't interest me are getting attention. I sort of liked Slaanesh but it looks like that faction is on its way out or is being the bitch of everyone else to make them look better. I don't want to put money into that.
>>45327497
>I'm not going to buy something to read the basic lore. I use the lore to decide on if I like a faction, so if that isn't free I don't know if I will care, meaning I don't care.
The lore has never been free outside of blurbs.
>>45327616
There's been wikis on the other Warhammers. Age of Sigmar doesn't seem to have a wiki.
Do you guys just buy this stuff hoping your faction will get lore? How long do you usually have to wait to get yours?
>>45327324
bitter old fart who hates lu
>>45327497
>>45327616
Not to mention the fact that it has all been made available to you for free by myself and others who AREN'T whiney cunts and are willing to share what we HAVE paid for so that all of you can enjoy it without having to despite the fact that doing so is contrary to the cause of supporting the company that produces said content.
>>45327651
Protip: GW doesn't make those wikis.
>>45327651
>There's been wikis on the other Warhammers.
Not official ones. You can find AoS stuff on wikis too. Hell, you can find the ebooks online if you're even a little bit savvy.
>Do you guys just buy this stuff hoping your faction will get lore?
There will typically be hints that your faction will get lore in WD and the like.
> How long do you usually have to wait to get yours?
In Warhammer Fantasy it took many years. AoS is going faster. We've already had five army books, three campaign books and a bunch of stuff from Black Library.
>>45327283
>>45327196
Maybe he meant to say 'none?' I mean, they rhyme.
>>45326620
Knocked out a quick list for this:
Harbinger of Decay (general)
Gutrot Spume
Rotbringer Sorceror and Familiar
Verminlord Corruptor
7 Forsaken
5 Blightkings
10 Plague Monks
3 Nurgling Swarms
Summonable: 3 Plague Drones, up to 5 times I guess
Feel like it hits the balance between fluffy/fun and competitive.
>>45326762
>except they worship Sigmar
However, a kingdom of men worshipping Tyrion in eshort instead of Sigmar.
>>45326620
I really like that format. They should do more stuff like that.
Why are people still crying about Slaanesh being squatted? If anything, Slaanesh has gotten far more attention in the AoS fluff than he ever did in fantasy. All he did there was troll elves and then fail badly against them once they got their shit together. In AoS we actually have slaaneshi war bands fighting everyone, being featured in most of the Battletomes and campaign books, and giving them an interesting motivation other than "lol kill aenarions descendants."
Elves, ahem, Aelfs, don't even exist in the realms other than azyr and you don't see people bitching about how elves are being squatted
>>45327792
So when do the Tomb Kings and Slaanesh get their own lore?
>>45328029
Maybe he did mean 'none', because words can be confusing and nobody with any taste would play AoS.
>>45328535
No.
Just fucking no.
>>45328673
Because Warriors of Chaos are fucking faggots, and the way Warhammer lore works is if you aren't belonging to a Chaos God and favored you are not shit.
Also, Slaanesh had more of a presence in the lore than anyone. Tzeentch plotted, Slaanesh got shit done since almost every cult was Slaaneshi because his portfolio is literally corruption.
