>PT top 8: 6 eldrazi 2 affinity
>http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/ptogw/top-8-decklists-2016-02-06
It looks like we are finally at a point in this format where Legacy police cards are needed.
Which ones should be printed in the next Modern Masters?
BAN SIMIAN SPIRIT GUIDE
BAN EYE OF UGIN
BAN ELDRAZI TEMPLE
>every single deck in Top 8 is colorless
Jesus Christ
why the fug is scapeshift still 40 bucks i just wanna build my new deck
>>45265003
Cabal Therapy
Ichorid
LED
Cephalid Coliseum
>>45265040
Were people actually running Spirit Guide? Why?
>>45265011
Here's a card that I genuinely don't understand color pie wise. Just overstatted in every department.
I'll trade my Naya Zoo and Infect decks for some legacy pieces, I don't really care about this format anymore. I don't have confidence that they can make it fun and balance after this shit. The decks share fetches so you'll only get 4 Heaths and 4 Foothills but I now have 2 Strands I'm not using so you can have them too. Naya Zoo doesn't have Goyf but it has 3 CoCo, 2 Voice, 4 Knight, 3 Scooze, 4 Path, and theres 4 Temple Gardens and a Stomping Ground and Foundry along with some Razorverge thickets I can throw in. Infect has 3 Breeding pools 4 Might of old Krosa, 4 Noble Hierarch, 4 Inkmoth Nexus, 2 Pendelhaven, and I have 4 Spellskites and 2 stony silences that are up for sale/trade plus any other cards that are staples in that deck. I'm looking for 2 Underground Seas, a Volcanic Island and 4 Misty Rainforest. These won't cover all of those but even just a few is fine. The cards I'm looking for can be in bad condition so long as they aren't damaged or unplayable. I've made a huge mistake buying into this format even if it was almost a year ago.
>>45265003
If it were up to me, the following cards would be printed and made Modern-legal (and removed from the Modern ban list):
Wasteland
Force of Will
Rishadan Port
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Gaea's Cradle
>>45265003
Reprint:
Dark Ritual
Tendrils of Agony
Lion's Eye Diamond
Unban:
Preordain
>>45265003
Waiting for Wasteland to be reprinted so I can use my playset to make colorless queers queef themselves.
>>45265084
>Were people actually running Spirit Guide?
Yep
>Why?
Delicious mana acceleration.
daily reminder 100% aggro top 8 = most diverse Modern ever
>>45265084
Spirit guide allows turn one Chalice or turn two Reality Smasher.
>>45265084
Turn 1 chalice on 1 shuts off every other viable deck in the format.
>>45265084
t1 eldrazi mimic
t2 6/6 endless one chucking 2 ssg, mimic smash for 6 wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>45265084
You can cast Reality Smasher and swing for 5 turn 2 with Eye of Ugin, Eldrazi Temple, and a Spirit Guide.
I can't wait for tomorrow's broadcast of top 8 where all the Wizard casters have to pretend that this top 8 is diverse and healthy and fun to watch
I might make some popcorn just to watch all the shitty magic being played and all the cringe
>>45265169
>>45265149
Huh? Chalice in Modern? Man, I really should've watched this PT.
I guess double Eldrazi Temple and Spirit Guide for turn 2 Smasher?
>>45264468
Smasher would not, the other two would. B/G/generic would be a deck.
>>45264671
>I wonder if memedrazi is just popular rather than necessarily overpowered.
It was like the 5th most popular day 1.
>>45264317
Cabal Therapy, Pact of Negation
>>45264636
Seems good with flip cards, since you can do stuff without casting spells.
>>45264783
The phyrexians cards created a new deck in legacy and two in modern, one of which got the hammer.
>>45265084
For stuff like T1 Chalice for 1 apparently, and speeding up the 4cc, 5cc good stuff in the deck overall.
does Bogles win against Memedrazi?
>>45265205
More like Eye of Ugin and temple for T1 6 mana worth of creatures, T2 swing for 10+
>>45265205
Double temple or ugin+temple yeah
the nut draw is turn 1 Eye, cast 3 free Eldrazi Mimic
Turn 2, Temple and SSG into Reality Smasher, swing for 20
>>45265156
>turn two swing for 20
>not aggro
Mate what the fuck? Even if they don't get the nut draw, eldrazi can still threaten lethal on turn three or four often enough that it might as well be considered burn. But unlike burn, it ALSO gets enough midrange that it basically takes over aggro and midrange by itself, and control doesn't matter anyways right now.
>>45265107
>>45265107
I also can throw in the new Gideon because I pulled one, some spoils of the Vault, and any parts of Jeskai Ascendancy combo you want. Get me out of here PLEEEEEASE
>>45265235
Chalice for 1 lol
Oh my god Chalice is $60 now my dick hurts
>>45265273
Silhana Ledgewalker is a cardor at least that's what MaRo told me ;_;
>>45265235
Too
Fucking
Slow
>>45265235
I Thought Knot
:^)
>>45265235
No, modern eldrazi is too fast (and has chalice), also you're a fucking faggot.
>>45265280
>tfw considered building utron as my first modern deck
>could have bought chalices and snappies while they were still cheap, and them flipped them and played literally any other format
>>45265263
Didn't you hear? That makes it a combo deck not aggro, just like burn and infect are combo as well.
>>45265003
I've been wanting Wasteland for awhile now.
>>45265124
At that point you might as well just ban the duals from legacy and merge the two formats.
>>45265263
It's a tempo deck.
Like, you out tempoed your opponent by smashing his face with 2 5/5 on t2.
>>45265003
Cards I would reprint:
Wasteland
Goblin Ringleader
Goblin Chieftain
Goblin Matron
Karakas
Baleful Strix
Mother of Runes
Cards I would unban:
JtMS
Ancestral Visions
Birthing Pod
Bloodbraid Elf
Preordain/Ponder
>>45265391
>only a single 5/5
So, they don't do emergency bans for Modern anymore, do they? Do we have to wait another year?
ITT cards you underrated
>>45265442
april the earliest
>>45265442
>anymore
They've never done an emergency ban in modern.
>>45265429
Actually the maximum porn draw attacks with 5 5/5's on turn two.Eye, 4 mimics, temple, smasher, spirit guide off the top
Price wise, why do the timestamped foil cheaper?
Isn't it cooler to have the timestamp on your card?
>>45265470
anything in oath
>>45265497
People are autistic and want matching cads, and it's very hard to find the supply for four foil timestamped cards. Also, it's unsightly and blemishes the beautiful art.
Does modern UR Prowess run Stormchaser Mage?
What happened, /tg/? I thought this modern tour was going to be Affinity, Tron, and Burn?
>>45265470
honestly I picked a few up when I thought the interaction between this and phyrexian dreadnought was cute enough to try and now they jumped in price
>>45265429
>not casting at least 1 or 2 mimic on turn 1 with eye
u wot m8
>>45265554
a deck like that doesn't exist unless you are talking about tier 5 decks
>>45265263
>>turn two swing for 20
>>not aggro
Anything that can swing for 20 on T2 clearly isn't aggro. It's combo that kills by combat damage.
>>45265495
>>45265488
So, I should hold onto my Oath cards, huh?
>>45265557
This just in: /tg/ thought Tron would dominate the meta because /tg/ is bad at magic.
>>45265571
Bitch, I might be!Seriously, would those even run it?
>>45265557
people forgot that Eldrazi Temple and Eye of Ugin exist. The eldrazi deck does the same thing tron does, except you get to play good cards that can win on turn 2 instead of filling your deck with shit like sylvan scrying and expedition map.
>>45265585
>>45265557
People didn't run Tron because they knew infect would be everywhere
>>45265470
tbqh, i have thought about standard where the Mimic would be devastating with on curve eldrazis from Matter Reshaper -> Thought Knot -> Reality Smasher -> Oblivion Sower but i dismissed it as too unreliable.
>>45265585
It made logical sense, Tron was already so powerful, and it had its worse matchup taken out.
April Banlist Annoucement:
>Eye of Ugin is banned
>Tarmogoyf is banned
>Blah blah too fast combo no fun Mishra's Factory etc
>We chose to ban Tarmogoyf because we feel that it oppresses other green creatures. Green decks don't have any other viable choices because Tarmogoyf exists. In the interest of competitive diversity, Tarmogyf is banned. Players wishing to replace them can look for creatures using the new Delirium mechanic in Shadows Over Innistrad^TM Booster Packs.
Rate my prediction.
>>45265557
/tg/ is just a retarded place
I'm retarded too. Bought into BW Eldrazi in december
Got my eyes/temple for cheap before the spikes.
I will get cucked by Jews of the Coast in 3 months when they'll ban the deck to oblivion.
Fuck me senpai. Meanwhile I'll enjoy the last months with my memedeck, triggering faggots playing other decks.
>>45265584
At least until april. Most likely they won't make any changes to the banlist until right before the next modern pro tour, at which point they'll most likely ban Eye of Ugin or Eldrazi Temple, which will render the eldrazi deck basically unplayable.
>>45265624
>Thinking WotC will ever ban Tarmogoyf
>Thinking a card that plays well with SoI cards would get banned
Silly Goy, Tarmogoyf ensures that Shadows Over Innistrad™ cards show up in the top decks in the format, and how else are they going to sell Modern Masters 3™?
>>45265612
It's not that good if you don't have the right curve.
What make the deck broken is the mana acceleration provided by Eye+Temple.
Dropping a mimic turn 2 when your opponent cast an Anafenza is just ridiculous. Take your matter reshaper and shove it up your ass because next turn it's rhino time.
Dropping 3 eldrazi mimic T1 following by a 5/5 haste trample is what makes everyone rustle their jimmies.
So should I buy the cards to build an Eldrazi deck now before the price gets out of control? Or is it going to go down / get nerfed?
>>45265604
>>45265616
So, did that pyroclasm finally drop? People were hyping the fuck out of it.
Why would infest get better? What new cards did I miss?
>>45265635
Okay. Cool. I'll sit on this shit. I probably have a few of the parts, but nothing expensive like Chalice.
The real problem is that the new Eldrazi deckIsn't just a meme anymore
Is White automatically good and Black automatically evil?
>>45265695
Banned into tier 5 deck in 3 months
+
It's too late to jump on it when trash tier draft rare into the bin it goes that were 0.2$ yesterday are now 10$.
You missed it by 1 month when the eyes of ugin where less than 10$
>>45265706
Infect didn't get any new cards, it was just the only deck still standing after the bans that had a good Tron matchup, and everyone expected Tron to dominate the format because Twin was the only thing keeping it down, and nobody expected the Eldrazi decks to happen.
>>45265695
>before the prices get out of control
You are already too late
>>45265736
No. Black is the color most inclined to be evil due to amorality being a core concept of its identity, and white is most inclined to good for the same reason, but white villains are surprisingly frequent, and there have been a couple black protagonists. Kamigawa block is probably the best example.
>Ban Modern pro tours
>-Brian Kibler
Based.
>>45265736
Eh, that's only true in a general/surface sense. In
In Theros Heliod was a huge dick, Erebos was pretty chill, and the villain of the block was RG.
Will WotC release Eternal Masters and focus in Legacy?
I want modern to die
>>45265736
White's focus is on community, and while that's usually a good thing it can also devolve into tyranny and despotism. Similarly, black is defined by selfishness, but someone doesn't necessarily need to be selfless to be good (like >>45265803 said, Toshiro Umezawa is a good example of that).
I really think the Modern format will get it's first emergency banning. Eldrazi decks have completely destroyed all the other decks and archetypes at the PT, and I don't even see a way for the meta too adapt too handle them.
>>45265858
>I want modern to die
Me too, familia.
>>45266003
Lets try to figure out a way to adapt.
What card or deck can deal with a clock faster than burn using threat stronger than junds?
Affinity? What about turn 2 thoughtseize + 4/4 and chalice of the void for 1 on turn 1? Any 0 cost answers on the draw?
Perhaps we can make a deck specifically meant to counter the eldrazi matchup?
>>45265858
And then Legay will die too.
Everything that Wizard touch will die a slow death, ban by ban.
>>45265858
I don't want them to ruin my favorite format and I think they would do that if they released eternal masters
EM would be amazing to get more people into the format but it just isn't going to happen
>>45266084
No one would want to play a format with a 0 mana counter spell. No way to play around that.
>>45266084
How so?
>>45266074
UNBAN ARTIFACT LANDS
>>45266154
In order to release eternal masters they would need to bypass the restricted list which fucks with 'collectors'
they would need to find a way around getting assraped by collectors so they'd ban the super expensive cards to keep from getting sued
>>45266138
You minus yourself hard when you force tho.
They should unban every modern card already. We don't give a shit let's go.
>>45266074
>Perhaps we can make a deck specifically meant to counter the eldrazi matchup?
The problem with this is that it needs to be good enough to not only kill Eldrazi, it needs to be able to still do decent against Infect, Burn, Affinity, Tron, ect. If they aren't then it'll all just get rooted out within the first couple rounds.
>>45266138
Except for the people who already do, I suppose?
You play around Force of Will by not being some some combo deck that heavily relies on resolving a single spell. Unless your deck hinges on resolving that one spell to win, getting forced is not necessarily a bad thing for you.
Reminder: Shadows is probably going to feature even more Eldrazi.
If you think the eldrazi lands are getting banned, you're delusional. How else are they going to sell SOI?
maybe if we unbanned everything eldrazi wouldn't be comparatively as op
>>45266454
>april b/r announcement
>we noticed that eldrazi isn't selling as many booster backs as we would have hoped
>in the interests of the diversity of our portfolio, mox opal and glistener elf are banned
>>45266454
>SoI is gonna have more Eldrazi
Oh no.
>>45266454
Shadows isn't going to feature Eldrazi. One of the reasons they switched to the 2-set block structure is because people got tired of the same shit all year long. SoI is going to have as much to do with Eldrazi as Tarkir block did.
>>45266552
>>45266515
It is DEFINITELY about how Emrakul is in Innistrad and making spooky Cthulu Horror stuff happen with her tentacles and her corruption. Consider it confirmed.
It may be spookier, stealthier eldrazi, but it's going to be eldrazi.
>>45266552Nahiri is trying to bring Emrakul to Innistrad
So is now the time to sell my unused Chalices, or is there really not gonna be an emergency ban? Should I be holding out for $80?
>>45266580
>Consider it confirmed.
Then provide a source, faggot
>>45266598
Save the last chunk of change for the next reseller, mate. Guaranteed return is better than the chance of crashing and burning.
>>45266598
You should probably sell now, since chalice is bad in the mirror, which will be 90% of matches till april.
>>45266635
Provide an explanation for where Emrakul is that doesn't involve her showing up on Innistrad.
>>45265736
White is order, not good.
>>45266138
Pact of Negation is literally a 0 mana counterspell but people still play modern.
>>45266598
Sell sell sell. Everyone else is going to flood the market and pop the bubble.
>>45266720
Destroying Lorwyn so it never has to been mentioned again.
Is Eldrazi tribal going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back and turns Modern into Extended 2.0?
>>45266720
any of countless planes of existence that aren't Zendikar? Fucking around in the Blind Eternities?
>>45266720
Mirrodin would be fun.
>>45266814
>Fucking around in the Blind Eternities?
Why would they explicitly make Emrakul absent from the events in Zenkidar if she was just going to do nothing? Do you even understand how narrative logic works?
>>45266789
>destroying Lorwyn
That'd be actually pretty funny in my opinion. Nissa sets them free to get them off of Zendikar for Elves and Em just goes and fucks up Lorwyn.
>>45266783
Has a huge drawback and you can play around it; IE if they have 5 mana you should consider it and during their next turn they can't do much. There is no such drawback with force.
>>45266848
To save her as BBEG for another block down the line. Bolas and New Phyrexia have been sitting around picking their noses for a while now.
>>45266848
>Why would they explicitly have Elspeth leave New Phyrexia if she was just going to go to some plane nobody's ever heard of to do something completely unrelated? Do you even understand how narrative logic works?
>>45266720
emrakul can be anywhere else. not using her in SOI lets wizards have her show up later on in the story. if they use her now the planeswalkers could just kill her and no more eldrazi ever.
>>45266848
there is nothing wrong with making emmy absent. leaving something unanswered lets wizards come back later and use it. same with bolas and the phyrexians.
can't have this be like the marvel movies where all the badguys always get killed because eventually you run out of bad guys.
>>45266915
>Has a huge drawback and you can play around it
Not if you win the turn you counter something with it, which is frequently the plan.
>>45266783
>Sell sell sell. Everyone else is going to flood the market and pop the bubble.
Not going to happen. There are actually tons of Goyfs in circulation, but prices are kept artificially high because they're expected to be that high, and people refuse to sell it for less. Until Magic starts seeing massive amounts of people dropping the game, the bubble won't burst.
>>45266915
You literally 2 for 1 yourself if you cast force for free. In grindy matchups, like most of legacy, that can cost you dearly.
>>45265858
Eternal master if it exists will be a mtgo set 100%
>>45266984
Staples tank. Cryptic Command was 50-60 not too long ago. Clique has dropped by about 12 since MM2. Chalice is spiking hard on the back of this eldrazi deck, but once that demand is satisfied no one will be willing to pay the current price.
>>45267172
Watch them release it for MTGO and paper, but they cut all preserved cards from the paper release.
>>45265585
No one saw this coming because the eldrazi list they are running are very different from the normal processor one.
>>45267268
No, they'd just not include any reserve listed cards. There aren't honestly that many of them that see play other than the duals, and it'd be entirely possible to put together a set without reserve list cards.
>>45265470
Yep
I seriously thought that card was shit
>>45266965
Planeswalkers get a win in BFZ/OGW, Eldrazi get a win in SOI. Like, a draw win. She gets away to somewhere delicious or something.
>>45265199
You can drop 3-4 mimic turn 1 as well with eye and do turn 2 lethal.
>>45267268
>>45267299
By far the most important and expensive reserved list cards in Legacy are the duals. Aside from that, there are a few other expensive reserved cards (Imp Recruiter, LED, Tabernacle, Candelabra, City of Traitors, Moat, Gaea's Cradle). However, there are many cards on the reserved list which enable Legacy's more strange archetypes that aren't super expensive, like Mox Diamond, Humility, Aluren, Intuition, and Metalworker.
Banning reserved list cards from Legacy would probably make it a totally different and less diverse format. On the other hand, reprinting the non-reserved cards would create a very strange price disparity between certain decks and cards. It would still be good for the format, but it wouldn't entirely solve the problem.
I wish that every card ever printed in a modern frame was modern legal.
If Eldrazi decks start to become more popular then that puts Elf decks in a good spot.
>>45265040
If Eldrazi proves to be THE deck to run in Modern then I think the Temple needs a ban more than anything else.
Spirit Guide is nothing and Eye is still fine on its own.
Also, my UW/Esper control friend believes that Eldrazi ain't shit for some reason. Is there anything that I can say to convince him otherwise?
>>45267632
I can't even imagine how mad I would be if I was on the receiving end.
>>45267714
chalice for 1 lol
im pretty sure SoI has to have some eldrazi stuff, theres no way wizards would introduce wastes and a mechanic like colorless cmc and ditch them immediately.
>>45267729
As long as eye is out there you have:
A. The ability with Urborg to make it a workshop
B. The ability to drop 4 free mimics turn 1
This is what needs to stop, not whatever temple is doing.
>>45267758
>implying Not!Egypt in autumn won't have a colorless god and some artifacts that require colorless
>>45267677
would this mean that FoW is legal because of judge promos?
>>45267752
Cavern of Souls ignores Chalice on 1, 2 or whatever. Lists always runs 4.
>>45267791
>>45267677
>only cards with modern frames are legal
>older printings are not
I hope you're rich. :^)
>>45267812
traditionally, if one version of a card is legal in a format, they all are. See every timeshifted card
>>45267803
Fair point, not like they can also draw land+SSG for Chalice set to 1
>>45267729
>Also, my UW/Esper control friend believes that Eldrazi ain't shit for some reason. Is there anything that I can say to convince him otherwise?
Tell him that it's as fast as Affinity, but it doesn't die to Spell Snare and it can shut off his Paths with Chalice on 1.
Also I think Eye needs the ban, just because Eye hurts control decks more (in both Eldrazi and Tron) with its ability to draw gas and Eldrazi Titans. It's very hard for Esper to keep up with an active Eye late game, and almost impossible for UWR and Grixis.
>>45267812
I don't need to be rich to play burn.
>>45267787
>Not!Egypt
Did I miss something?
>>45267803
>Ghost quarter lol
Besides, you're playing elves. Cavern of Souls doesn't protect your elves that you're casting via Heritage Druid. And you're hardly guaranteed to draw multiple caverns. Elves just seems like a god awful deck to try to use against Eldrazi. Too slow.
>>45267860
It will depend on play or draw. If they're on the Draw, then Chalice is bad but on the play then sure. If a single Llanowar/Mystic is out then Elves are gonna go fast. If a Heritage Druid gets out first turn and Elves are on the play then they can go stupid wide as well if they drop Dwynen's Elite and tap to cast an Archdruid or more Elites.
went 1-3 drop at regionals, waited for a win-a-box to fire and it never did, and wasted $25 on a couple of MM2 packs. I wish I had stayed at home and watched pros meme each other with eldrazis
>>45267910
>Ghost Quarter lol
Okay you've Ghost quartered a land but there's still 3 more Caverns floating around in the deck and I've already got my turn 1 Elf out.
> Cavern of Souls doesn't protect your elves that you're casting via Heritage Druid.
Once Heritage is out you're casting multiple 2 drops or 3 drop elves be it Visionaries or Elites and most lists now run 3-4 Dwynen's Elites for higher combo chance. Chalice on 1 won't even matter at that point. Drop an Elite and tap for GGG, bypasses the 1 counter on Chalice.
> Elves just seems like a god awful deck to try to use against Eldrazi. Too slow.
>Elves
>too slow
Wtf am I reading.
I've played the Eldrazi matchup with Elves quite a few times at my store and in about 10 games i've only ever lost 1 set. Somewhat anecdotal and a small sample size but that's just my take from actually playing as Elves so take that with a grain of salt if you will.
Does Affinity have a chance to win?
How hard does a Chalice shut down Affinity?
>>45268206
apparently an affinity deck edged out a win under two chalices one at zero and another at two. He was able to get threats down early.
>>45268206
>Does Affinity have a chance to win?
Sure
>How hard does a Chalice shut down Affinity?
On the play? Chalice for 0 or 1 is pretty frustrating for Affinity. On the draw? Chalice is pretty bad because they may have dumped their entire hand on board before you can even Chalice for 1.
>>45268206
On the play, Chalice on zero or one can BTFO Affinity pretty hard. On the draw Chalice is shite though.
>>45268275
Chalice for 0 and 2 is the key for Affinity. 1 is usually utility cards.
No legacy thread up so i will ask here. Should i build Jund since i have it built in modern or is Canadian Threshold the superior deck?
>mfw I pulled an Eye of Ugin in a MM2 booster
>mfw I traded it before BFZ dropped
>mfw I just lost $30+
>>45268925
Wouldn't sweat it.
You can't worry about stuff like that.
Should I build the U/R Eldrazi or is everybody going to play it? It looks a bitfun
>>45268901
both are eh right now, but my favorite aggro deck is maverick so what do i know
>>45268925
>regretting past trades
>>45268995
I regret trading my Tarmogoyfs from way back when. Heck I could afford to build Affinity right now if I had them.
If Wizards made modern into "Legacy, minus the reserve list" the format would work and would be balanced.
>>45269155
Probably not but it would be fun.
doing so would let me play worldgorger at events that I could actually afford to visit!
>>45269155
No force, it just becomes combomania
What the most likely ban for this deck? Eye? Temple? Both?
>>45269244
Force isn't on the reserve list
>>45269244
Force isn't on the reserve list though
>>45269274
Temple. They wouldn't want to hurt tron.
>>45269244
Force of Will isn't on the reserve list. They could literally reprint it + Wasteland in Shadows Over Innistrad and it would fix modern.
>>45269304
>>45269306
>>45269321
didn't read that part
>>45269274
I'm hoping it will be eye. Only affinity should be allowed to cast free creatures.
>>45269155
Death and Taxes and Burn would shit all over eveything.
Do you want to play shocks in a format with PoP, Waste, and Port?
>>45269321
I don't understand people who believe that giving Force to Modern wouldn't make most of the decks blue.
Sure, legacy has a lot of diversity BECAUSE of Force rather than despite it, but Modern doesn't have as many powerful cards.
I think people underestimate what a card like that would do just because Legacy behaves differently than other formats.
>Ancestral Visions is banned
>Ponder is banned
>Preordain is banned
>Stoneforge Mystic is banned
>Deathrite Shaman is banned
>Bloodbraid Elf is banned
>Splinter Twin is banned
>Birthing Pod is banned
These cards are all good but none of them would break the current meta. Meanwhile:
>Sol lands? Perfectly balanced for a Diverse Format(tm)!
>>45269455
It perfectly fits with Wizard's goal to sell as much of the eldrazi sets as possible before laying down key bans to bust the decks back down to tier 5.
Konami does this ALL the time with Yugioh, Wizards only just now decided to start squeezing it's players through this method.
>>45269496
Considering they have a virtual monopoly on western card games it's amazing they haven't done so sooner.
>>45269496
I don't think Wizards actually realized what was going to happen. All of the lists I've seen from every top website basically was saying 'Oh its going to be like another midrange deck, it's going to be alright but Affinity/Burn/Infect are going to be better and fast'
I don't even pros had that much of an idea it would be this insane and if they did they certainly kept it private. I don't like defending Wizards but I really don't think it was their intention to break the format, I just think they didn't test it at all.
Look at the cards that were printed too. Reality Smash and TKS are insane value cards
>>45269496
Honestly I like the idea of the deck in modern. If they ban temple or eye then the deck becomes a lot more reasonable to deal with.
What I'm still trying to figure out is just how the fuck these eldrazi got printed in the first place. Is wizard really so stupid as to not think even the slightest about eternal formats when making a set? I know they don't test it but come on this is absurd
>>45269541
They've been doing it ever since Modern became a Pro Tour format. Why do you think they ban whole archetypes right before the Modern PT every year?
So I'm looking for a deck that would fit a specific play style.
I love it when I can bluff and play mindgames with my opponent, or just get them confused with awkward boardstates. What modern decks would fit that description? Doesn't have to be tier 1-2 decks, just something not too expensive.
>>45269594
I was thinking about this. Imagine if each of the cards was a regular colored card with the same effect and stats. TKS is a 4/4 for 4 that's basically pretty much a better vendillion clique. Reality smasher is a 5/5 for 5 with trample and haste and basically has hexproof.
Eldrazi mimic is insane because it basically is always as strong as your biggest creature. Matter Reshaper is a 3/2 for 3 that basically cascades. It's really nuts when you think about it
>>45269630
Lantern control? Honestly your're going to lose to Eldrazi no matter what you play
>>45269630
Mono B Eldrazi
>>45269630
UR Delver maybe? You can play that pretty budget if you don't get the snapcasters
>>45269541
So /tg/, how should the chart read now?
Petition to call the time from now until the SoI bans Colorless Winter
>>45269716
Every choice leads to eldrazi. Add a new category which says "I don't mind losing" which leads to all the other decks.
>>45269630
Honestly a UR or Jeskai Aggro deck.
Run things like, Delver, Abbot, Snap, Stormchaser and Young Peezy along with stuff like Spreading Seas MD and Blood Moon. It's half the price of most other Modern decks and allows you to play either Aggro or Control.
or play Infect because Infect loves to bluff having the kill in hand.
>>45269670
They wanted to "make colorless feel like something not quite like the other colors". The problem is that taking from every other color was already black's whole schtick, just with downsides in doing so (life loss, sacrificing permanents, etc). So what we end up with is creatures that are the strongest creatures in limited, modern, and probably standard too once Khans rotates out, have insane abilities across the board, and are aggressively costed colorless - I mean generic :^) - powerhouses.
Seriously, BFZ/OGW are fucking awful and I still hate how hard Wizards is forcing this "sixth color" bullshit.
>>45269718
That works
The only other deck in top 8 is affinity so it literally is a colorless dominated format
>>45269778
As an Infect player, I have never once bluffed a kill because nobody really falls for it. I HAVE bluffed a kill with Belcher though by keeping in a single Balustrade spy
>>45269840
They thought that colorless was going to be a bigger drawback than it was because it can't be found with fetches. They seriously underestimated the powerlevel of the cards. Even if they all cost 1 more mana it would still be a decent deck. Which is fucking scary
>>45268123
are you thinking of the stupid eldrazi ramp that was out before or the broken busted retarded turn 2 kill eldrazi out now?
>>45269716
replace everything in the "Money is no object, only winning" branch with various flavors of eldrazi, shift all the current decks in that branch to what >>45269737
said.
>>45269889
>They thought that colorless was going to be a bigger drawback than it was because it can't be found with fetches.
And they have no clue about what cards they've released in the past. Even in standard there are pain lands which would work well enough for two or three color eldrazi, and in modern it's just too powerful as we saw. Hell, part of why it is so good is that it DOESN'T hurt itself with fetching shocks. Even with a slow draw, having that extra 3-4 life over a typical deck that shocks itself can mean all the difference when fighting against burn or affinity.
>>45265557
It was affinity, memedrazi, and burn, and memedrazi is just a better tron
>>45265107
Tldr
>>45269959
It was a fine deck back when it had to use Wasteland strangler and stuff like Oblivion Sower because it was expensive and you still needed some color to cast them. These colorless eldrazi for 2/3/4 are fucking insane and broken when you get to play 8 ancient tombs that dont damage you. I'm surprised people haven't started using Vesuva
>>45270056
Trading 2 goyfless naya zoo and infect plus some other stuff like a few strands for legacy lands
>>45270084
On 4chan?
>>45269778
>>45269713
Isn't UR delver just an aggro deck though? I've never played it, but looking at the decklists it seems pretty straightforward. Maybe I should give it a shot, it seems pretty cheap.
>>45269670
I actually love lantern control, I once built a janky kitchen table deck using the same strategy. The price of ensnaring bridge and mox opal kinda ruins it though.
>>45269676
If I wanted to play a deck for 3 months I would build a standard deck
>>45269901
I've played against both types albeit not the exact same lists down card for card but the decks about 80-90% similar because believe it or not there was one guy who was playing and we got into the discussion that he felt the deck should maindeck Chalice to fight aggro because I was having the same discussion with him in regards to U Tron on why Chalice makes the aggro matchups a bit better to handle unless they drop turn 1 Caverns. Like Vials and Cavern will make Chalice terrible but Elves don't play Vials but Merfolk play both.
>>45270225
It's aggro, but you run almost all counters/burn
Wasn't the whole point of tron having an absurd amount of mana on turn 3 and cranking crazy powerful shit colorless shit out like Wurmcoil, Karn/Ugin, and Kozilek?
Is there even a point in playing tron anymore since you can now vomit out eldrazi mimics and endless ones on turn 1 while having your main beaters kill your opponent's removal and life total? Even without eye/temple, reality smasher still outclasses wurmcoil and makes rhino feel a little weak despite costing less and having a powerful etb.
>turn 1 eye, drop two mimics
>turn 2 temple/eye, drop seer, bye bye removal and swing for 8
>turn 3 whatever, drop smasher, swing for 15
>sometimes they didn't even bother with seer, they just exiled spirit guide and dropped smasher a turn early and the opponent flatout scooped
The fact that there isn't a single eldrazi titan in any of the 6 eldrazi decks in top 8 shows how brutally fast this shit is.
Jace come back, we need you more than ever. Bring preordain and a counterspell reprint with you.
>>45270207
All of my friends play legacy and I want to get out of modern, I've kinda lost hope for it. Plus I don't know any other way to sell them or trade for them and selling the individual pieces sounds like a fucking hassle. I'm just looking for Volcanic Island, 2 Underground Sea and 4 Misty Rainforest, all in heavily played condition.
>>45267677
This
Is there card in modern that can save us from this hell. even vargis himself hates the deck but hes winning so much he doesn't care.
>>45270278
>Is there even a point in playing tron anymore since you can now vomit out eldrazi mimics and endless ones on turn 1 while having your main beaters kill your opponent's removal and life total? Even without eye/temple, reality smasher still outclasses wurmcoil and makes rhino feel a little weak despite costing less and having a powerful etb.
None whatsoever. Tron is going to die until eldrazi is gone because eldrazi has hand disruption and can put up huge creatures really fast, plus doesn't need to worry about getting tron out. Eldrazi does what tron does 10x better and can actually handle the insanely aggro decks like infect. Eldrazi is better than cawblade and there is no way to beat it unless a 0 mana card called 'WE FUCKED UP' is printed that destroys all enemy eldrazi and you can pull it from your sideboard to have it in your opening hand.
In the post-day 2 turmoil, snapped up a playset of Eyes for 40ea, playset of foil temples for 13ea, 20 Mimics for 4.50ea, and 2 Caverns for 40ea using my store credit at a LGS.
There was a playset of eyes for 180 on eBay I wanted to snatch up but ran out of money.
Time to play a Tier 1 deck for a few months then drop everything at peak price.
>>45270422
those ARE peak price, kek
>>45270422
I'm jealous
I really was hyped for Eldrazi when I first saw it but now I'm really kinda sick of it. I play Infect but I'd love to just get comfy and play something like Gifts
>>45270357
A turn 1 pyroclasm is all that I can think of that will let you withstand a bunch of mimics popping up, and that would require you to have a spirit guide in your hand AND you still wouldn't be 100% save because the can just beat you to death with reality smasher next turn anyways..
People at my LGS were talking about how Eldrazi was so degenerate at FNM but I never realized how bullshit it was until now.
>>45270455
Uh... no?
Have you checked tcgplayer lately? The mid seems to be static but the copies available are nowhere near those prices.
You can't get an Eye any cheaper than 55 shipped and once top 8 happens, they will keep rising.
When I said I wanted tron to die, I didn't mean by replacing it with an even more cancerous deck
>>45270278
>Reality smasher still outclasses Wurmcoil and makes rhino feel a little weak
You are so fucking weird anon. You seem to be suggesting that Rhino is just a little bit worse than Smasher but that Wurmcoil is significantly worse.
>>45270513
>Wizards won't ban anything and they're just going to let modern die
Well standards shit, moderns shit, legacy and vintage are too expensive... Might as well play Edh I guess?
>tfw zoo player
JUST
>>45270524
While wurm keeps its 6 power on the board after dying, Reality Smasher doesn't die at all. Reality Smasher has trample AND haste with an ability that shoves a dick so far up removal's ass it's easier just to say the words "game two?". Rhino has the lightning helix, but it lacks haste and can still be path'd/dismembered.
Reality Smasher and Thought Knot Seer beat the face and the hand.
>>45266074
How about TurboFog?
>bought into eldrazi when everything was cheap
>going to crush some nerds at my store for a month or two
>then cash out and buy a real deck in time for the ban
feels good man
>>45266580
To be honest I haven't seen any indication of any Eldrazi or Eldrazi influence in the spoiled SOI cards so far.
>>45270798
Apparently Nahiri is trying to lure Emrakul over to Innistrad. The name of the set is a hint too because Emrakul often casts its shadow over a large area when closing in, hence shadows OVER Innistrad.
She wants to destroy Innistrad out of vengence because thinks sorin abandoned zendikar. Either that or she knows what happened with sorin and nissa on zendikar.
>>45270685
>He bought into the Zoo memeI'm no better of. I'm a control cuck.
And for the Eldrazi, is there any strategy to beat it?
Can't combo off faster than it, when every combo deck in the format goes off turn 3-4.
Can't out race it with aggro, when it can land a T2 4/4's Colorless Clique or Trample, Haste 5/5 that demands a 2 for 1 to even be removed
Can't choke it with control when it can drop threat after threat that demand 2-1 to even answer. They'll crush you under their pure virtual card advantage
Can't even go for value midrange, when their entire deck out values yours, and hits the board two turns faster than you.
>>45270872
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>>45270872
>more eldrazi
JUST
>>45270945
The image in >>45262690
>>45270992
JUST indeed
Cashing out of modern while i can, edh and pauper here i come, good fucking riddance the cancer format, enjoy your circle jerk
>>45271039
>EDH
>Not cancer
>>45271063
It's just a matter of degree at this point
legacy is literally the only playable format at this point
>>45270928
Has too much disruption for combo. Outspeeds aggro. Has more valuable creatures than midrange. So it looks pretty dominant.
>control existing in modern
>>45269716
man, half of these decks have been either banned or crippled in some way
>>45271120
There's alwaysdraft if you don't mind playing the bomb rare lottery :^) Except the last good draft was khans
>>45271032
>wizard reprints temple and eye in mm2015
>many of the eldrazi cost 1 to 2 more, even with the token spawn
>new set is Emrakul JUST FUCKING INNISTRADS SHIT UP
>so more eldrazi
Oh they fucking knew exactly what was going down. They can't pull the "Sorry, we didn't expect this to happen in testing" bullshit, because they printed the lands to be used with the new eldrazi. Wizards wants to make Modern into yugioh, since it's a cash cow that way. They have a soft rotation with the banlist, ban shit out from old sets to force us to buy new shit. Or if they dont ban out cards, they power creep the fuck out of shit.
I'm personally trying to tinker with a format that features Invasion Block, Odessey Block and Onslaught Block, with 7th and 6th editions. No idea to go on from there, it's a lot of cards to cover
>>45270945
>>45270992
She's definitely using a lot of mana to cause a huge stir on the plane. The flavor text shows that she wants sorin to suffer. Being a lithomancer and all, she might even have fucked with anything silver on the plane.Even the moon itself, which might explain why warewolves are back
>>45271152
Yeah I like drafting too but that also means giving WOTC money which I really want to avoid
>>45271120
Dont forget 93/94 format, they actually hand out neckbeards and mountain jew at the door
>>45271063
Better melanoma than leukemia
>>45271304
Why even play MtG at this point?
>>45271400
Because there are no LGS near me that play Vanguard and even if there was it would probably be cringe central.
>>45271120
Legacy has always been the a great format. Here's the fucking problem, the Reserve List. So by that very aspect, Legacy is among the WORST formats out there. Modern was supposed to be the Legacy-hungry poorman's Legacy. But it's not. It is neither accessible to poor people and it isn't as interesting as Legacy.
I know Magic still seems like the greatest game to some people, but to those people they got into the game on the ground level. So they own Power, they own duals, and they bought into Modern on the ground level (I did).
Every single "authority" in Magic is mute on the matter. Either they don't care because they already have their shit or they're in the pocket of Wizards.
I can't believe a fucking card game is dealing with scarcity issues. I believe it when shit like hockey is out of reach for people on account of needing goddamn ice rinks and thousands of dollars in gear but this is goddamn paper.
>>45271448
It's not like they actually need to do anything different to print stuff like duals. They could just go fire up their printers and print 10000000 black lotuses and distribute them in boosters full of them and it wouldn't cost them any more than it costs them to print garbage commons. It's scarcity because they know that if they don't induce scarcity nobody will keep buying packs because formats like Legacy exist. Same reason Standard is the official format, they need to push packs. The reserved list is still probably the single worst decision they've made but I guarantee you it is in part to keep people out of legacy because they don't want people to be able to sink money into one deck that they can play for years and years without needing to buy a single Wizards product. It's all a big racket but nobody is going to let you in on that because it's quiet words spoken behind closed doors. I'm almost starting to want to pick up chess at this point because all of these companies are fucking evil.Or I could actually work on making my own game like I was doing before I realized it sucked
>>45271448
The reserve list is forever, even though abolishing it would actually make WotC money through increased sales.
So how will the format adjust itself if Eldrazi literally has no bad matchup?
>>45271642
eldrazi gets banned or the format collapses
>>45271642
Eldrazi vs Eldrazi until wizards bans it. The real question is whether they emergency ban it or ban it in April.
>>45271539
If they sold an Eternal Masters set in a print run that was larger than Modern Masters, but less than new sets they'd make a killing, Legacy would become more accessible, and the scarcity would still be there. The game wouldn't die because reprints destroyed the value of everything.
$50 dollar duals are a lot easier to stomach than $250 dollar duals.
>>45271707
Actually wonder if individual stores would ban cards, because they wouldn't want to lose business based on WotC's fuckup.
I haven't played in like two years, can someone explain the colorless diamond mana to me? Is it like a pseudo 6th color now? Does something that costs 4+1diamond cost 1 specific colorless and 4 anything?
>>45271714
Even with Caw Blade the emergency ban wasn't immediate.
One major event dominated by a new contender is an anomaly. If the next major live event is also swept by Eldrazi that will make it a trend, and Wizards will probably only then consider an emergency ban.
I'm just going to start giving away my extra Power, Ulamogs, Kozileks, and Emrakuls from my Chinaman product at GPs. I got a couple duals that I'm not ever going to use either.
Just get that shit onto the marketplace. Someone with less scruples than me will start selling that shit or trading it for value. Raise paranoia levels and sitr up this shit.
When everyone starts carrying around $20-100 hand-lenses to identify real cards from fake ones, Wizards will have to either accept that reality or solve it - by killing the list. Eventually, word will get out to less savory types of people and kids are going to start getting mugged for their fucking Pokemon cards. It's already happened at big GP events.
The game is no longer as innocent as it used to be. Might as well take it entirely to the point of no return.
Cashed regionals today with Soul Sisters. Felt good until I saw the top 8 for the PT.
>>45271784
>1 specific colorless and 4 anything
Yes.
>>45271764
Eternal masters will be mtgo only, like vintage masters and tempest remastered
This PT was a disaster.
>>45271784
yes
also any land that specifically produced (1) now produces a diamond
>>45271764
Exactly. I think a select few groups have a large enough quantity of high-value cards on the list that were the list reprinted they could sue for damages or something and Wizards wants to avoid that. But like >>45271821 said it's MOST LIKELY going to be online. Vintage is a lot more fringe than Legacy believe it or not
>>45271830
Welcome to neo-modern, enjoy your stay
>>45271817
Nice deck man. Those foils are looking good.
>>45271642
The format hasn't had a chance to adjust yet. This is the Pro Tour, the first major event. People showed up with a deck that preyed on the inherent ignorance and inexperience with the new format.
Give it a month, we will know the truth about how good (or bad) Eldrazi is once it has a chance to settle into the new metagame. If it proves to be unbeatable then fine, but we need to give the experienced players time to grind that shit to death first.
>>45271832
Are pain lands a thing now in modern?, i mean does the life loss really matter if you win on turn 2?
>>45271817
At least your deck starts out with a low curve and main deck ghost quarters so you can just aggressively blow up eyes and temples.
Don't know if that's good enough but it's more of answer than most decks have.
>>45270635
My LGS in a nutshell.
3 weeks that Standard don't fire off because we're 6.
Meanwhile the same day, there is like16 EDH players.
EVERY
WEEK
Fuck this game senpai
>>45271784
Diamond mana is another term for Anus mana. You can only use colorless to spend for Anus mana, but Anus mana can be spent to pay for any colorless costs. Cards that are anus colored have many unique mechanics that are different from the rest of the colors in the color pie, like:
Big creatures
Ramping
Counterspelling
Drawing
Haste
Hand Disruption
And more! As you can see, Anus is a great new color that is sure to revitalize MTG for years to come.
