A question to DM's from a forever DM
When was the last time you ever actually got to play in a campaign as a player?
>>45032937
Why do you twist the dagger anon?
It was literally over 15 years ago.
Kill me.
>>45033045
5 year forever dm here
I hate how all of my friends find dming hard to do and i have to be the one to dm all the time.
>guys, I want to play. Its been a decade since I got to play. One of you all come up with a game.
The literally roll dice to see who will do it.
>new DM downloaded a one shot.
>read it line for line.
>boring as shit
>everyone got bored halfway through
>"you need to DM anon..you suck for letting him run that."
Wtf?
Last time I was able to play? 5 years ago. One of my players first time dming, he wants try 4e. Not my thing but I'm OK with it so I roll up an avenger.
>says its in ravenloft
>cool shit! You go new DM!
>starts at a checkpoint and once each player gets across they'll meet up
>try to pass, gaurds say I don't have papers and can't get them anywhere near there
>watch the crowd and follow someone to the loo
>knock them out, steal papers
>DM says its a woman, ask me if I'm going to take her
>no? Why would I do that?
>it's OK if you do, you're in ravenloft
>again say no
>alright, I'll write down you raped her
I forgot about this incident until 2 towns over when police try to arrest me for rape. I started dming next game
>>45032937
Once, three years ago. Then the group voted me back as Gm, since the session didn't go well. I was too afraid to refuse
7 years? Fuck.
I've got a good group now, we're all friends, everyone roleplays, its more of a time commitment thing at this point. Hoping at some point one of them will get interested enough and ambitious enough to try. Even a one-shot would be fun.
About 3 months ago on Roll20 with a second group.
I honestly found it really boring, but the DM barely put any work or heart into it which might be why.
I ended up being That Guy who ended up just browsing the internet until my name was called.
After DMing, I just hate sitting around waiting for my turn, I'm used to constant engagment required as a DM.
So back to DMing for me, and I'm happy about it.
>>45032937
Uh... I cna't remember. Maybe ten years? More? I don't remember being a player since I was like 9 years old when I started learning to DM.
>>45033045
I tried r20.
*sigh*
Its not the same.
DM started us off as slaves in an arena..I listened for 20 minutes as the druid demanded his horse companion be put in the cell with him.
We broke out( no rolls needed we just did it), and fled 100 yards to town, and started looking for quests.
I ask if we're on an island.
>DM: "I haven't thought about it"
I ask if there are ships to get us away from here.
>DM" I don't know. Why leave here?"
Ummm because we're escaped slaves?
>DM" oh. Town is so huge, no one will notice you."
Oh. I see. How many people live here?
>DM: " like 200 or so I guess"
I'm out. Just fuck this shit.
Me and another alternate every week. He runs a standard dnd campaign in a homebrew setting, where I play a barbarian. I run a homebrew savage worlds sci fi campaign. Pretty satisfying as DMing every week would get tiring for both of us.
I got to play a one-off character 6-months ago for one session.
But an actual character in a regular game?
12 years anon, 12 fucking years.
>>45032937
I've played a handful of isolated sessions in recent years. But the last time I played in an actual campaign was early 2002.
>>45033531
>like 200 or so I guess
You'd expect someone to put more than 30 fucking seconds into planning before launching a campaign.
I've had DM's show up online without knowing the rules before as well and just plop a dragon down before evening asking about characters.
>>45033531
Fuck druid players.
>lv 1 gotta climb a ladder up over a wall.
>wolf can't climb ladders
>druid calls bullshit
>"putting a ladder in, is denying me my class benefit, so you can't. Unless you want to make the fighter throw away his weapons and the mage toss his spell book."
>dude..its just a ladder. Once inside, open the gate and let the wolf in. Or tie a rope and haul the wolf up.
>" no. You don't get it. By putting obstacles in that force me to give up a class feature, it makes this class less than worthless. That's bullshit."
That was my roll20 experience with a new group.
>>45032937
I played as a player last week. It was horrible. I'll never go player again. Forever DM is best DM.
2008.
I prefer DMing anyway.
>>45033742
Oh wow. As a DM I would have his wolf killed. And then the druid. In that order. With seventeen Balors. That would disappear after the deed.
>>45033742
You can carry the wolf up with you.
>>45033837
I wasn't the DM.
If I had been..I would have had bandits appear, and rob stark the wolf n druid.
>>45032937
I play in every campaign, the world is my character.
As a player though... Probably around the tail end of 2009.
2009. God dammit.
about a year. no one wants too, and the last person who ran that wasnt me, literally had us meet up with goku to fight lugia with the help of some fucking guy I didnt know from Destiny.
I wish I could find someone to run that isnt a pop culture freak.
>>45033958
It's not a chore, I'm having a blast. I have a really nice mixed group, we do 2 sessions most weeks and I've basically made the system and setting at this point.
>>45033742
>>45033531
Whoa.
I'm forever DM for our group, and I tried roll20.
Two druids in the group, and both were the worst players I'd ever seen.
1) constantly trying to correct DM
2)every step I took, one of them was trying to insert his pet like it was a second PC
3) neither healed. Ever.
4) neither had played together before.
Is this a new trend? Shit tier players pick druids?
Yesterday as a GM, game in an hour as a player.
>tfw watching the way my GM handles things helps me make a better world for my players
>>45032937
2 days ago.
>finish own campaign
>tell everyone that I'll only do another if someone else holds a campaign of their own.
>almost everyone takes turns with one-shots.
>guy with a pretty good oneshot finds it's actually fun and agrees to host his own campaign.
>taking turns hosting campaign one week, playing in the other campaign next week.
>everythingworkedoutbetterthanexpected.parchment
>>45034054
>literally had us meet up with goku to fight lugia with the help of some fucking guy I didnt know from Destiny.
Fucking christ.
>>45032937
Play fiasco. You can even build a plays set within your setting
I actually enjoy being the DM more than being a player.
*cries*
The one time someone else started a D&D campaign, I ended up getting really sick for a few months due to a kidney problem. By the time I got better the campaign had fallen apart and they were looking for a new DM.
=(
>>45032937
12 years.
My group has tried to DM so I can play. It just ain't so pretty...
>far far far too much treasure
>no idea of what their world looks like or is made of
>just plops down monsters out of the blue. "You see an orc. In the middle of the road. It attacks player 3.. Roll init"
They tried..they just suck at it.
>>45032937
We traded off a few times.
One guy used his new power to pay back every in game slight the other players had done.
>"remember when your human said dwarven beards look like a70s porn; to my dwarf, like 6 years ago? Well guess what... A group of dwarves show up and surround your camp..they hate humans. They're wearing their rape boots.". Shit like that till we fired him.
Next guy couldn't plan beyond his notes.
>"um...you all need to go into that inn, its where your next job comes from"
"A" for trying I guess..but fuck.
>>45033531
One time does not a tendency make.
>>45032937
I have only been a player once, and that was last year.I am glad I'm the one who usually runs games in our circle of friends.
>all excited to play
>can't break out of GM mode
>describe my character and his surroundings in the same way I would as a GM
>"Anon, you don't get to decide that. I'm the GM."
Odd because I'd love to run a game like this, down to the players deciding stuff about the world and even NPCs.
I need to run Dungeon World some time.
>>45034152
Yes.
>>45032937
Depends
If you count my friends going "hey man I'll DM it'll be fucking great you can finally play!" and then losing all drive to continue past a single half-assed session then plenty of times.
If you don't then eight fucking years
Never. I am the ForeverDM.
I have literally never been the player.
When started none of us had played before, I volunteered to be DM, and it's been that way ever since.
>>45034932
Same here. Then I decided to co-dm with my best friend, trade off dm-ing every quest or two. It fell apart quick. Now I'm writing up a new campaign to get us back on track.
>>45032937
About half a year ago.
I know it's nowhere near as bad as a lot of this thread, but with all the effort I've spent homebrewing and GMing I already feel burned out on it. I think I'm done GMing until someone else runs a half decent game. Or until enough time passes and I get a compelling enough idea, I guess.
>>45034712
I'm always afraid when RPing that I'm taking things too far, especially when minor creatures come into play.
>I give a piercing whistle as I run towards the open window, diving out in a practiced maneuver to land on my griffon's back, busting my bal-
>Anon, I control the griffon.
>Well, yeah, but all my downtime is spent on "training" my griffon for special commands. this is one of them.
>I'm gonna need some rolls, Anon.
>Literally weeks of downtime poured into practicing this maneuver among others, and I have to make rolls?
>As does the griffon.
>>45036497
Application and practice are different. sometimes its not always perfect, professionals still make mistakes. I'd give you some great bonuses, but I would not say everything is perfect 100% of the time, unless you practiced in this exact room.
>>45036575
Perfectly reasonable. I'm not sure DM will go for "special" commands for the griffon though. I've been out of the campaign for awhile, but I said before I took a break that my character was spending the Winter training his griffon. I'd like a few simple things, like calling it by whistle and handless steering, and some cool over the top but negligible benefit things, but I don't know how the DM will react. If I ever get to join back in. Stupid 6am work shift.
Nearly five years ago. Game only lasted one session, took up DMing afterwards and it hasn't stopped
>>45032937
Normiereeeee here looking to into this shit.
Is this normal? My only experience is honestly watching videos and hearing stories on youtube about people back in the day. When I see things now, and hear you guys talk about it like >>45033742 and some guy saying an obstacle that's difficult means his class is useless. Is this trendy now? I have no experience on it, but it seems like the fact you have stats and shit means you gonna give something up now and then, unless you want a bunch of mary sues in a circlejerk. Honestly the biggest draw for me to this kind of gameplay was the fact that you had to actually think about it now and then and play things to your advantage, and when hardships come, you do the best you can Oregon Trail style.
Its an odd one up here but I was the one whom set up the local RP group.
After a few issues we three DM's met up and agreed to host our games alternately on each Tuesday.
I only play in one other DM's world so I get to play once every three weeks and DM once every three weeks.
>>45036843
Some people are upset about things like balance in their games and want those games to be about waving your dick in front of others.
The Druid is already playing a pretty overpowered class, potentially, but he will still bitch about being left out of the action because it's not about him at this very moment or something. Like any hobby, it attracts retards.
For most players, even if you roll a motley crew consisting of different character classes, everyone gets a role and gets to have fun if you avoid having That Guys.
You trust the Wizard not to take over the Fighter's damage-dealing role by summoning a Succubus that not only stuns everyone on arrival (saving throw or too enamored to fight) but also claws like a +5 weapon and sucks everyone's dick afterwards and so on. Rather, the Wizard will instead summon a Dryad who will stun everyone on arrival with her boobs but heal and support the Fighter and then suck everyone's dick afterwards. That kinda thing.
>>45034054
I'm laughing so hard at this
>>45032937
Last week.
It... it was Adventurer's League.
And my last DM just posted about his new campaign on facebook. He literally created a country with 20 possible quests for the players to explore because he wanted his players to have real agency.
I'm so sad right now.
>>45037176
That's cool, I wish I could find a group like that, part of the thing that's keeping me out of it is knowing that not only is there going to be a that guy, but he's going to have more group cred than me so calling him on his bullshit will be meaningless lol.
>>45037503
>That's cool, I wish I could find a group like that
Just play with friends, anon. Everyone has seen Lord of the Rings.
>>45037626
Lifes hard when you're a normalfag.
>>45037757
/tg/ is full of people from the Army playing this kinda stuff. If you pick something relatively new (so not filled with obnoxious amounts of tables and stats to keep track of) and story-telling oriented (dunno, Dungeon World? WFRP?), you can have fun.
You can ease them into the idea of dungeons and shit by playing something like Munchkin (the card game) together.
>>45037869
I mean, realistically I'm not all that normalfag, good call on the army tho lolol.
I could bring together some guys that are down, but then the question is, who the fuck DMs.
I run two games and am in three.
Online play is a wonderful thing.
>>45032937
Jesus Christ. It's been at least three years since I've last played a legitimate PC. I'm the only one in my current group right now who both knows how to run a game and has copies of the source books.
>>45037899
You obviously. Just print out some stat sheets for monsters, get a big GM shield, have a character generation session to start with (Recommended level 2 so they learn how to level up without being too abnormally strong to start with), fudge a roll or two to keep things interesting, and just give them some kind of rail to guide them. After a while it'll feel natural to plan out monsters and adventures that you'll only need half an hour to write the needed monster stuff on notecards and get the basic plot for that session worked out. Here's some additional tips to make it easier to learn for players:
>Give the guy playing wizard/cleric/Druid/sorcerer/bard a bunch of notecards with spells written in then with all the stuff they need to know how the spell works. Having them pick out the cards at the beginning of each day (putting chips on spells you prepared more than once to represent those extra casts) will get them into the gear of preparing their spells in a timely manner along with creating their own spell notecards as they get more spells.
>Give players bonuses for creativity in situations and extra stuff when something unusual actually works out. Like if one guy hurls a spear into a raging giant's chest and the giant falls forward because of tripping make the giant take a X3 spear damage from being illy impaled by the spear still lodged in him
>Make the spotlight move around a lot
>Have fun and don't be afraid to wave the rules when it would ruin the fun of the game.
>Also ban save or die spells. Nothing good comes out of them.
>>45034712
The Burning Wheel and it's attendant derivatives like Mouse Guard are also really good for that kind of thing. I would highly recommend them.
>>45032937
It was a one-shot campaign where I was playing a shifty Gand thief. Wanted to be the very best, ended up derping around with a stormtrooper when trying to break into a penthouse apartment.
That was about.... 8 months ago? Longer, probably. Probably almost a year.
Before that, I played a salty green man.
>>45038255
Thanks for the advice but I've never even played before, isn't that kinda taboo to DM off the bat? Then again I guess if everyone's new, the worst that can happen is everyone dies and they think it's their fault.
>>45034712
>"Anon, you don't get to decide that. I'm the GM."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCpUjERoMKI
>>45034152
Non-healing druids? Fuck that.
If a healer doesn't heal...kill them.
Pick your time, and hack their fucking head off. Give them only one warning.
>hey I need a heal
>lulz, sorry, its better for me to help kill enemies
One warning. Then kill them. In their sleep if necessary. Make them fulfill their proper role.
>>45038477
Well if you're inviting people to play a game only you have previous experience with it makes sense to lead them. Just study the rules and look over a GM guide PDF from online for tips.
>>45032937
In PBP games that never make it past the first combat.
>>45038513
I guess that's fair, appreciate the tips.
>>45038548
Sorry anon. I tried pbp..
I don't have the patience for it.
>3 posts per week
>we're playing now!!
Fuck that.
>>45032937
I play along with my players. I generally abstain from decison making, however i do contribute to dc checks and actual fighting.
I'm forever player. I got to DM an encounter once and they said it was to railroady and all the other people in my group tried to dm sandbox style games but they died out after a few sessions.
>>45038480
I support this.
>but but but don't tell me how to play my PC!
>I'm not. I'm telling you if you leave/put me in danger through your actions or inactions, I'll kill your character.
>>45038651
That's what I do. I play a recently muted fighter that has his own little revenge arc to get back at the guild that cut his tongue off coming up. It's nice to have a modicum of control over the direction of the party while behind the screen.
>>45038693
Agreed. That's why when we start at level one and the cleric didn't roll cure light wounds he usually asks whatever diety he worships when he levels to level 2 for cure light wounds to make sure his friends and fellow citizens don't die too fast.
>>45032937
Last year at Origins Game Fair. It is one of the many reasons to go to gaming conventions.
If you are talking local...my friends...uhm...I'd have to say 1990...
Yeah, I know.
>>45038807
You are SO OLD!
>>45032937
Not that long ago. I found it boring to be honest. After GMing for so long, I have a hard time getting invested in a single character. It's much more fun to play a rotating cast of NPCs.
>>45038480
Why all the druid hate in this thread?
Right now. For the first time in 7 years. DM is probably going to boot me because of my character though.
He just wants whores and cash. Pursuing the main story keeps almost killing me on a daily basis, and I have enough whores and cash to last a lifetime...
Don't know what he expects really.
>>45038855
Didn't I tell you to get off my lawn already kid?
(It was 1983 or so before that session as well)
Former ForeverDM, until one of my players took over DM duties last year to give me a break.
I really fucking hate it and want to have DM duties back. Playing one character in a group instead of an entire setting just feels slow and dull.
>>45038983
Min/Max fuckheads usually go for Druids and have no real empathy or desire to help he other members of the party if it doesn't directly benefit their Druids. So now Druids online have a bad reputation for being played by morons (80% of the time this is correct).
>>45039027
Wow are you a necromancer?
>>45033138
They did that on purpose, I bet. It reeks of conspiracy.
>>45033742
I bet he was mad there wasn't a handicap accessible ramp for himself and his wolfie. He's a disgrace to Druids.
>>45038480
I'm not a fan of PvP. It usually causes too much bs.
However if we are talking about online games, I agree.
If a character isn't filling their role, get rid of them.
>>45039325
It sounds like a passive aggressive DM.
Putting obstacles in the way, that is only an obstacle for one player.
I'd get pissed if the DM set things up to make my pet a hindrance or unable to be at my side.
>>45039442
Hello that guy.
>>45039442
And here we see an example of a druid....
Now I understand the hate.
>>45032937
a year ago, but it only lasted a few sessions. The GM used some obscure homebrew ruleset that was a version of pathfinder. Apparantly the whole thing was weighted so that fighters had a higher saving throw bonus than what a wizard could possibly have as their spell DC. So fighters were gods, Wizards were useless, and every one else was even more useless than the wizards. It was really really really lame.
>>45039515
>my pet must be at my side at all times! i can not think of any logical work around, i cant even function without it! it shouldn't even be a thing, how dare you even insist, oh hold on my moms calling
>>45039442
I can see your point, but it was only a hindrance, not something like 'oh you can't bring your wolf with you.'
Considering I had a friend who used his cavalier's mount as a way to help him fight enemies, I can see why most GM's don't like animal companions.
>>45034162
That's what my group does, except we have three DMs. There's a bit of gap between each campaign, but we all have fun.
I'm suited to DMing and I enjoy it immensely.
The upcoming game my friend is hosting will be my first in a bit over a year.
>>45032937
>forever DM
Do any of you ever try to help other people who are players play? One of the best things to enthusiastically tell them is that you'll be one of their players.
>>45039759
But being a DM is hard, and even if you manage to hit the ground running, you'll never match up to a foreverDM's skill.
>>45038693
>I'm not telling you how to play, but I'm telling you how to play
>>45039827
so? it's about fun. stop worrying about skill and just play. sheesh.
>>45038693
>>45038480
>The fighter wants to talk things out? Kill'em.
>The cleric wants to help the cultists? Kill'em.
>The rogue isn't a skill monkey? Kill'em.
>The barbarian can read? Kill'em.
>The paladin writes nonreligious poetry? Kill'em.
>The wizard is less than 50 years old? Kill'em.
>The sorcerer doesn't wear ridiculous robes? Kill'em.
Your games sound like soooo much fun, Anons.
>>45039866
A little column A, a little column B.
Either way, step out of your role, and you endanger the party. Endanger the party, face the consequences.
>>45039940
>damage control
>>45039917
Not how I read that.
More like
>cleric won't heal. Kill him.
>rogue won't check for traps. Kill him.
>druid won't heal. Kill him.
>fighter won't fight? Kill him.
>>45039953
How so?
>>45040017
>Druid won't heal me, he's instead focusing on offensive spells
>Rather than dealing with the situation like a normal person and buy potions, I'm going to be massive sperg and threaten to kill the character because how dare he play in a way I don't approve
I'd make characters that didn't do their job on purpose just to fuck with you, because you're a massive cunt.
>>45040075
You'd spend all your time rerolling or just get booted.
There's no reason to "talk" to faggots that try to fuck up a game. Just kill their PC, and go on.
>>45039917
None of that is remotely like the issue being talked about.
>>45040075
>talk to the player like a normal person!!
>I'll try to sperg in your game if I don't like thing
U wut?
Hypocrite much?
>>45039977
3 of those 4 classes have other things besides what was said. Cleric and druid heals are from OPTIONAL spells, and rogues can specialize in other things. Fighters literally have no specialties or class features besides more ways to kill.
Let me put it this way. If you did not know the PC's class, would you still expect them to do shit specific to their class? I read a story time on here of a person who played a rogue, but as they never shared their classes no one had any idea he was a rogue, they just assumed he was a poorly built fighter. Cue everyone is captured and questioned, and as no one knows he is a rogue no one says anything about how easily he can escape. He does so and frees the others, prompting the cleric to have a shitfit over traveling with a criminal the entire time.
Now true, he did "his role" eventually, but this was well into the campaign and when they had no other options. The entire game up to this point he should've been killed says at least one two people in this thread.
>>45040157
Its similar, but extreme examples.
Srsly, u can't really control other players anon.
>>45040218
>have animal companion
>cast nature spells
>won't heal because " u don't know I am a druid"
That doesn't make sense m8.
Are you saying the druid is pretending (ic) to not be a druid?
>>45032937
once when I was 14
>>45040138
>>45040203
>Can't actually argue with the point
>just take the bait and pretend you're right
Dumbass niggers.
Healer won't heal? Buy potions. Rogue won't do his job? Hire a specialist.
Memes on the other player that much harder, without the added effect of derailing the game because your parents failed your upbringing.
But no, you resort to "hurr I kill your PC" and pointless dick-stroking hypotheticals because you're too stupid to come up with an alternative.
Fucking children.
>>45040218
Well, if they're not being useful ( healing/buffing/helping), then they ate just some faggot in a robe with a pet.
They're not a good fit with us. So why would they be here wanting 25% of our treasure?
>>45040157
It's almost like it was satire of expecting the classes to fulfill predestined roles.
>>45040203
>talk to the player like a normal person
>if you continue being an asshole for a poor reason I'll try to sperg in your game
ftfy
>>45040281
>>have animal companion
>>cast nature spells
>Couldn't possibly be a ranger
also
>DRUIDS MUST HEAL, OTHERWISE WHY BOTHER PLAYING A NATURE SORCERER?
There's a shitload more spells on their spell list than just "heal whiny teammates." I'm saying expecting a druid to be your healbitch just because they chose to play a druid is ridiculous. Wasn't the entire point of them in 3.5 to be animal shape-shifting fighters, with spells as a secondary alternative?
>>45040312
Healer won't heal, expert won't expert.
We're better off using potions, and removing them from splitting rewards.
You're correct. They're easily replaced with a potion and an NPC.
>>45040347
Roles.
Learn them. Or find a new group to rp your anime faggotry.
>>45040413
>Or find a new group that's actually good and doesn't have a massive whiny faggot like me in it
ftfy
>>45040340
Again, just because the druid doesn't heal doesn't mean they're being useless. The chapter on druids has a lot more than "Druids are into nature and heal people. Here's the table on their heal spell."
>>45040381
... I guess we're talking to a bunch of power gamers. I had a half-feeling we were, but I'm tired so I wasn't sure. Done with this conversation, our goals are too different. You want to beat the game, I want to have fun with my friends. You can keep trying, but pic related.
>>45040455
>expecting a healing class to heal
>omg power gaming!
>omg trying to win d&d!
Wut?
>>45040455
It's because they're too selfish/autistic to realise that there's other people playing the game other than them.
>>45040573
>Druid specs into offensive
>Rather than just dealing with it, throw a massive fucking fit because "wah he's not doing what I tell him to do I kill his character wah"
ok kid.
>>45039442
You're a cunt. My ranger road a fucking dinosaur. You know what I did when he couldn't go somewhere with me? I let him roam free and eat chickens while I did other shit. He was a major class feature, but I knew he could be an obstacle so I didn't bitch.
Fuck you, you entitled piece of shit.
>>45040607
Don't need an offensive guy.
We need a healer.
So, that druid can fuck right off.
>>45040637
Too bad.
Buy potions.
>>45037869
I didn't really think about how true this is until you just mentioned. The last 4 groups I've played with have all had some army guys. Kinda surprising considering you wouldn't expect a bunch of meatheads to be playing.
>>45040636
He doesn't seem to be alone in that sentiment.
I see a lot of shit posts where players are calling it "that DM", if they face any kind of obstacle.
>>45040654
We bought potions.
Your services are no longer needed. Reroll into something useful for the group, or find a new group.
>>45040715
>We bought potions.
Then you don't need a healer, then.
And nobody made you DM, so you can eat shit.
Entitled fucking child. Why don't you play the healer if you want one so bad, eh?
>>45040637
>>Don't need an offensive guy.
>>We need a healer.
>>So, that druid can fuck right off.
>We need a healer.
>We
So why don't you play the healer, Anon-kun?
>I don't want to.
Maybe he doesn't either, Anon-kun.
>BUT WE NEED ONE!
>We
Rinse, repeat.
>>45040636
If your ranger was specced specifically to use that companion in combat (I'm assuming having a fucking dinosaur means he was) and the DM blocked you from having him in a combat situation then your DM is a dick. It's not entitlement to not want to be picked on.
>>45040768
The DM isn't the only one with the ability to kick someone out of a group.
You know, because it's called a group.
>>45040637
>2fighters and a rogue
>new player us a druid
>doesn't heal ever
>just summons bears
>every fucking encounter..bears
>turns into a bear even
>we have to spend a fortune on potions because this faggot is infatuated with bears
>kick him from group and get a real druid
I see no problem with this.
>get tired of dms running us through their novels
>decide to run some games to start getting the hang of it
>start by taking basic concepts of a module and running, reacting to what they do
>two fuckers go and get module after they realize what I am doing
>start making up my own stuff
>run a lot of campaigns based on what they do and making plots out of reactions to what they do
>they love it, never complain and always want me to run
Hit a spot where I had no time to plan games because of working in a mill and school. Old dms take back over.
>railroads
>invisible fucking walls in a ttrpg
>plots for books they wrote
>homebrew worlds they never explain or change mid game
>campaigns never finish, just get too convoluted/mind numbing to continue
>constant rule change then refuse to run anything but same system for shit that does not fit
Now, I run at least half of every game. It is the only way I can enjoy my friends when playing a game and the only weekend of the month I take off to chill out away from home. Fucking hell, thinking about it makes me not want to go this weekend and just stay home and work on the house or volunteer for an extra shift because someone wants to start up a GoT game.
>>45040794
>I speak for everyone in a group
And there we have it, ladies and gents. Entitled child who doesn't give two shits about anybody but himself confirmed.
Buck up your ideas, kid, you're a massive faggot.
>>45040689
You are correct.
>>45040782
>>45040799
>Taking hits when the guy is summoning expendable bears
Lol, you're shit.
>>45040822
Ah..so no player should do anything to help the group.
Got ya. Bet your fun to play with.
>>45040799
>bears soak more damage than heal spells by an order of magnitude
>your healer is a bitch
>your fights now take 2 times as long and he runs out of spells after half as many fights as bearman
>>45040808
How you like running a GoT?
>>45040860
I am fun to play with, because I'm a better player than you. Because I can deal with things.
So, tell me exactly why you don't lead by example? Oh wait, you're a spoiled child. The thought of practicing what you preach has never crossed your mind, has it? Oh no, rather than deal with the situation and make it work, you bitch and cry and whine until the problem goes away.
Don't go outside. Real life is way too hard for the likes of you.
>>45032937
never
>>45040870
And there is the issue. Look closely.. I bet you can see it.
By NOT filling the proper role, the power gaming druid is attempting to make another player redundant.
So kick the druid, or force him into a proper role.
If one players choices ruin the game for others, for no valid reason other than power hungry... He should be removed.
![14ef3fa833217345f47dfddab746b37e[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/1cHQJLm.png "14ef3fa833217345f47dfddab746b37e[1].png")
>>45040860
This is a screencap of the index for the D&D 5e player's handbook. You will notice that "Druid" has 6 pages. Now, I haven't read it in awhile, but I am willing to bet much money those 6 pages say more than "Druids are healers." Saying a druid who doesn't heal is useless is pretty retarded, on par with expecting a Face rogue to be a trap master and thief.
>>45040931
>won't do anything to help other players
>thinks he's a better player for having that attitude.
kek
>>45040889
To be honest, never read the books or watched the show. Im not running the game coming up and I only have a basic knowledge of the setting.
>>45040971
>A game is RUINED because somebody chooses to summon bears instead of use healing spells
You're a super fragile little fucking daisy, aren't ya? Fucking casual.
>>45040996
>I've lost the argument but I'm just too childish to give up the last word
ok kid.
>>45041000
It may be better that you haven't seen it?
Good luck. I hope it goes well and we get a good storytime out of it.
>>45040971
>>By NOT filling the proper role, the power gaming druid is attempting to make another player redundant.
>proper role
The only people who think of things as "proper roles" ARE power gamers, you dense twit. The term "proper role" says you think there is a clear and definite way the game of make believe should be played so you can win. Again, >>45040455
>You want to beat the game, I want to have fun with my friends.What's really funny is this guy is claiming the bear druid is a power gamer while everyone else is trying to say he's useless. So either bear druid's too strong and makes everyone else feel like shit, or he's a useless turd.
>>45041021
A game is ruined when...>>45040971
Shit like he describes happens.
And we all know it.
>>45041079
>I don't power game!!
>omg healing someone makes me useless!!!
Ok, lad.
>>45041083
WoW faggot detected. Disregard anything he says.
>>45041079
It's not that the arguing that he's useless, they're complaining because he's not doing what they want him to.
Man, sucks for a bunch of you DMs. We have three in our group, me and my friend split DMing the same session and it switches off every other week with another friends session.
I fucking wish I could be a foreverDM. I want to see a full campaign from level 1 to 10. Three other players compete for DM time in my group, and every time someone is missing so we agree to start new. I've levelled up one fucking time in five years. Anything could be better than the same damn startups every few weekends. It's agonizing.
>>45041109
Wait, what? I'm saying that there's more to a class than JUST healing, not that being a healer is useless. I don't even know the term for what you just did, but wow, not subtle at all,ked.
>>45040637
Isn't the cleric the traditional healer?
>>45041175
Lol.
We hit a stretch once, where via very unlucky rolls, really silly decisions, and very lucky DM rolls; we had 6 tpks in a row. All at lv 1. Seemed like we spent our whole time making new characters.
>>45041267
And I'm saying it shouldn't make a druid useless, or kill the player to fucking heal some.
So what's your problem faggot?
>>45040971
Seems to me that the druids class features indicate that his "role" is summonning bears.
You are advocating not doing its role instead by healing.
I'm a ForeverDM.
I love the job, really. I love playing all the NPCs, being able to roleplay everything from a mental patient to a vampire to a dragon, it's tons of fun. I love being able to set things up my own way, put as much time into setting up notes and details as I can. I love making maps, spending a week in Photoshop creating a photoreal cave for my players to explore, or putting together brick walls in a castle. I love planning awesome moments down the road, and weaving complex stories together that don't come to fruition until later on.
The thing is, I can't really enjoy these things because of the players. It's so hard to find players who actually make me want to run for them.
All I ask is enthusiasm. Excitement, that sound in their voice like they're actually enjoying things. Roleplaying, being engaged in the game, doing a little voice or changing up their mannerism to show that they're really getting into it.
But all I ever get is monotone, lifeless, dullards who insist the game is the best part of their week, but they couldn't sound enthusiastic if their lives depended on it.
Just once, I'd like to have people who make DMing worth it.
I always have to make a healer character to play with the group in addition to DMing because the only other person who actually likes playing a healer rarely shows up.
>>45032937
I currently play in two campaigns, and I'm running two campaigns as well. (No, I'm not using DMPCs, I have 4 total campaigns.)
>>45040844
>buying potions when druid can heal for free
Idiot.
>>45041378
>DM describes in vivid detail the cave
>has a nice map drawn up
>ambient noise in background
>so real you can feel it
>players " anything here? No? OK we leave"
i've never played a character in any of my favorite systems. i've not been a player in a D&D game since 2009. the longest game of recent memory was 8 sessions of Pokemon RPG in 2013. otherwise it has only been one-shots; two weeks ago it was cthulhu dark.
>>45041505
Literally my games.
Seriously, I have my maps, dynamic lighting, ambient sounds for different scenes and fights (with monster sounds), etc.
I get the feeling that 90% of the time, players would be just as satisfied with a black and white MSPaint drawing and nothing else.
About three or four years ago. I was a Battlemind in 4E.
>>45038480
I disagree. In fact, I've been running a campaign for months now that has been going great with a non-healing druid (and no other healing classes at all). I give the players Deadly-tier encounters for their level as well. The only healing ever done is goodberry out of combat.
Making someone play a healslut is just being an ignorant grognard, and a poor GM.
>>45040413
>Hey WoTC, what else should we give druids in 5e?
>Let's give them an archetype made for shapeshifting and fighting in animal forms (where they can't cast their spells).
>Awesome, now people won't just automatically shoehorn druids into being healbots, we're so clever!
Then you show up.
>>45041610
It looks like the anon you referenced, asked for a heal...and the druid refused.
Why? I dunno. Did he not have one memorized? Did he need it for himself?
If he had one, but didn't heal, I'd be pissed. PvP worthy? Nah.
>>45041661
Agreed. Healing with magic, shouldn't be a druid feature.
>>45041688
If they're based of prepared spells, it is completely possible to not have a healing spell prepared. True.
Though frankly, if it was a high RP campaign and the character was at odds with others in the group, I probably wouldn't heal them either unless my character was feeling particularly benevolent at the time.
Not enough info is provided. But people are generalizing it into:
>Do you do class-stereotype X?
>No? Kill him.
Which is pretty much the easiest way to destroy any sort of creative process in characters. I've seen many classes not do the expected, it turns out great, and usually my players will get a chuckle out of it.
>>45040218
>play a healer
>have ability to heal
>have ability to replace any prepared spell with a healing spell spontaneously
>refuse to play the role you chose in favor of simply being an asshole, because "I don't feel like healing you, even though you're at 1hp and I haven't cast anything yet."
At that point killing the character is more than justified.
>>45041450
Well, I never have much to spend my money on, so...
>>45041760
Well, if the party is that at odds with each other.. The DM may want to do some team building exercises or something.
I've seen some nasty ic arguments spill over into ooc stuff.
Players get heavily invested in their rp sometimes.. A good DM will aid in keeping the conflict to a minimum level.
>>45040971
Edgy and autistic, an antisocial combination for an inherently social hobby. I see it too often, unfortunately.
>>45041772
This.
>>45041450
You can buy HP potions.
You can't buy bottled bears. So spending money on HP potions so the druid doesn't have to fuck around with healing you instead of summoning a bear is worth it.
>>45041733
It should, but casting all druids into the healbot couch is not a way to make a class dynamic and fun.
>>45041772
If they specifically chose the class to heal, then yeah they're just dumb. If they chose a druid (which is capable of plenty of other things), they are not required to have healing spells on hand. They can't replace healing spells in place of prepared spells automatically in certain rulesets anyway. So, that is really only relevant for whatever ruleset you're referring to.
>>45041832
>B-but muh jewgolds anon...
Players are greeeeeedy.
>>45041378
I'd play in your games, A. ForeverDM.
>>45041868
That...isn't much of a compliment. I mean, I appreciate the sentiment, but any player would jump on the chance to play.
The issue is having good players, not just having players.
>>45041899
Good point.
Not every player is a good match for every DM. And vise versa.
Not every player is right for each group.
Doesn't automatically make anyone bad or wrong. Its sometimes just oil and water.
>>45041899
That's a good point. I should mention I'd enjoy what you do, and I personally enjoy roleplaying very much and tend to use accents and sometimes act out my actions at the table - especially hand motions during conversation. Basically taking my chance to be a thespian without having to memorize lines.
And even as a paladin, I tend not to use Sense Motive rolls and rely on my own judgement to decide if an NPC I'm talking to is lying or not.
>>45041935
Like I said, my problem is that no matter how many players I go through, I just never get to experience what an actual, enthusiastic and invested roleplaying group is like.
And no matter how much players insist "I'm different! I'm really good at roleplaying and I try really hard!", it's never true.
>>45037503
That's really not true. People complain about that guys because they suck, but I don't really think they're that common.
Like the other anon said, just go up to some friends and ask them to play with you. Tell them it's like LOtR or whatever other shit-tier fantasy plebs like.
Be warned, this will most likely make you the forever DM of the group.
>>45041990
Well...players are often shit bro.
It's the nature of the beast.
I'd tell you how awesome and different I am, but I am forever DM..so it matters not.
>>45040782
>If your ranger was specced specifically to use that companion in combat (I'm assuming having a fucking dinosaur means he was) and the DM blocked you from having him in a combat situation then your DM is a dick. It's not entitlement to not want to be picked on.
He totally was, but you can't fly a dinosaur into a tiny fucking tunnel, so I fucking dealt with it and had a blast instead of being a whiny bitch.
>>45041990
I really never had that trouble. I DM newbies and veterans alike, and as long as I pay attention to how they want to play and show enthusiasm, I get the same from them.
>>45038477
Just act like you know what you're doing. Eventually it'll be true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNrU0_A-PFk
I also think this is a really good video for new DMs to watch. He talks about a lot of stuff that I never really see brought up in other "How to DM" type things.
>>45041083
Fun and roleplaying come first.
If someone wants to do X, where X does not DIRECTLY interfere with someone's fun, it's probably fine.
Just roll up a cleric next time and bro-out the game. Some people don't enjoy healing and fleshing out battleclerics is cool sometimes.
>>45042008
Easiest way I've found to deal with that guy, if I am playing, is to ask them once or twice wtf they're doing, and if the give an loldumb answer, or a bullshit one, I pick a perfect moment, and then kill their character.
>>45040138
God, you sound just like my players. They're a bunch of immature shit heads that REFUSE to work together. Anytime one of them tries to be creative or do something a little out of the box, the rest of them go
>no, don't do that you moron
Then when it inevitably fails because nobody tried to help out or do anything to make it work, the reaction is always
>see I told you not to do that you dipshit
How's it feel to know that you're on the same playing level as 16 year olds?
>>45040971
Fuck you bro
I bet you're one of those faggots that insists
>4e wasn't really that bad guizzzz
Where the fuck is the rule that says that a party MUST have an even distribution of classes? Some of the best /tg/ stories are about incredibly unbalanced classes (how about the all barbarian party?)
Y'all niggers need to grow the fuck up
>>45042068
>player makes an archery ranger
>constantly hangs back in combat and fires into melee
>player didn't take feat for melee firing without a -4
>hits fighter and rogue several times
>spends minute after minute after combat collecting arrows
>"haha I am anal about arrows, my character is always worried about running out!!"
>I buy 500 arrows, leave them bundled in the wagon so we can stop searching for his fucking arrows after every combat.
>"I'm still looking for arrows dammit! Its what my guy would do!!"
>ranger allows a thief that tried to kill us to go free...why? "Cause I am cg!" Hahaha
>wounds rogue and ko's him as rogue is in combat again
>get rogue healed..leaving
>rogue gets hit by thief ranger freed. Rogue goes negative again.
>get rogue healed...rogue stands up, just in time to get shot by ranger again.
>rogue waits at top of ladder..stabs ranger in back as he tries to climb out
>kills ranger..
Which was that guy?
Both were playing their character. But one wasn't being good for the group.
>>45042297
Unbalanced is fine.
Deliberately avoiding using a class feature to help the party, is sorta dickish.
>>45041378
>players worth DMing for
The dream of every forever DM.
I don't know if you do this, but I always call the player by their character's name and make them speak in character. It helps them get a little more into it.
>>45042297
>4e wasn't really that bad guizzzz
Don't associate people who like 4e with that faggot, please. It's really unfair.
>>45042375
"If you say it while we are rping..your character also says it."
>>45041446
>4 total campaigns
Teach me your ways sensai
>>45041564
>8 sessions of Pokemon RPG
How was it? I've been wanting to try it out for a while, but it always struck me as a lot of legwork just to play Pokemon
>>45041572
Woah, nice.
Totally stealing that btw
>>45042305
Both.
>>45042375
If calling players by their character name and making them speak in character fixed shit roleplayers, there wouldn't be shit roleplayers.
>>45042392
No one likes 4e. Except for anime fans and guys who enjoy the taste if cock.
Was that redundant?
I used reddit to find newbs and taught them all in realspace, confident that one would want to DM. Worked out fine, got a game I'm playing in every Thursday, and every Tuesday. Problem is I have like NO free time now
>>45042423
I see the ranger ad a that guy. Why the rogue?
I'd be pissed as fuck if someone shot me that many times.
>>45042305
The arrow gathering would be annoying, but not death worthy.
The shooting party members in combat happens, not death worthy.
Letting some thief go, isn't death worthy.
But put all that shit together... And ya. Ranger needed killed.
>>45042398
Well, the first step is getting rid of having free weekends EVER. I almost never have free time on the weekend... *Sniffle*
Otherwise, three of the campaigns are with the same group of fa/tg/uys I found from a gamefinder on here. I host two, and one of the players does the other one.
Then I have an Adventurer's League game I go to wednesdays. I can shut down and not have to RP much in it since it's AL. So I use it to wind down from all the high-RP games I'm in charge of. I rarely enjoy playing in campaigns so I'm not averse to being forever-DM. But it's nice to get to unload a bit as a PC without feeling like I'm some DMPC-ing shitstain.
>>45038480
That's a good way to have another player pretty much hate you. Which defeats some of the fun doesn't it?
>>45042548
I'm actually a little confused, what's so bad about the arrow gathering?
All it requires is:
>I make sure to gather all my arrows after the battle
The player doesn't need to act that out. Or am I missing something?
>>45042604
It was more like..
>"how many arrows can I find?"
>DM rolls ..."3"
>"OK, any broken ones I can fix?"
>DM "no"
>"OK, I want to inspect these three, and make sure they are good, not damaged"
>DM" they're fine. No need to check "
>"ya but I wanna be certain. Need me to roll?"
>DM " the arrows are fine"
Every. Fucking. Combat.
>>45042604
It's been some time since i played d&d but if i remember right arrows that hit are assumed destroyed and any that miss are 50/50 so that's some extra rolling unless the DM just says half of them are usable.
>>45042666
It was actually a lot more involved..
>"I want to recheck..see if I can find more"
While 500 fucking new arrows are waiting in the wagon.
>>45032937
Never.
I was the DM when my group discovered RPGs
I was the DM when that group drifted away.
>>45042471
I guess intentionally killing a party member instead of just telling his character "yeah, you are out, we can't rely on you because you are a fucking idiot" is kinda that guy behavior to me.
>>45042857
So you deem it better to apply ooc punishment for ic actions between characters?
Interesting.
>>45042886
Depends, are the IC actions disruptive to everyone elses play?
You're not a medieval times employee, you can break character and talk to people you know.
>>45042886
Try reading.
>>45042857
>telling his character
If your characters have a problem with his behavior they can ask him to remove himself from their presence, much like how if the player's smell of BO is offensive the other players can ask him to go away.
>>45042857
Throw him out for what?
Playing in character?
Not having magical control of the dice rolls?
Playing his allingment?
The ranger didn't do anything worth being voted off of the island. He said his character worried about arrows.
>>45032937
Probably a couple years ago. I occasionally run NPC's like I would my own characters, but I usually DM since I'm pretty much the only person I know who can make a campaign on the fly.
And plus, nobody else I know likes DM'ing (understandably so).
>>45038480
Well prevention is better then a cure but never healing is still bad.
>>45032937
Like four months ago. My playgroup has seven people in it. Three of us have GM'd over the last few years, and a fourth (the newest addition) is looking to get his feet wet a few months from now. We usually have two campaigns alternating--Guy A will run one for a few months, then hand it off to Guy B, who hands it back whenever it feels right. Usually never more than fourish months at a time (which is 16 sessions, since we play weekly).
When a "campaign" finishes (after alternating a few times usually), that GM steps out and tags Guy C in. He alternates with Guy B until his campaign ends, and then Guy A (or whoever) jumps back in. Having two campaigns going works great--I think three would get confusing, but switching back and forth every few months keeps things fresh.
So we all play pretty often. All the GMs have time to prepare for their next batch of sessions, and everyone plays more than they GM.
>>45043036
The ranger's character kept shooting his own guys in the back and released a captive.
You have plenty of IC reason for your characters to send him the fuck away until he learns how to NOT shoot your own people in the back, and NOT set prisoners free.
>>45043424
If we're talking ic, then the proper course, is to handle it ic.
Thus, the rogue handled it. Handled it ic.
It reminds me of a guy named Opie ( yes he had red hair), who we all liked. He loved gaming. Loved it. But he was the biggest fuck up ever to play a PNP RPG. We killed so many of his characters...but kept it all ic. Talking did no good, because Opie was unable to understand that his actions were wrong.
>>45032937
I am thankful as fuck to one of my players, as I've finally got to be a player after almost 8 years straight as a DM.
He's not very good at it, but he's managing and conscious about not being a That DM.
He does have a few issues with my method of thinking of a character concept and then doing it no matter how mechanically complex it is within the system.
After a long break of 5 months, last week, and I enjoyed every second, but now that gm is in new york and won't be back till summer :(
>>45032937
Last Saturday, but I'm playing today as well. DMing for two other guys who likes to DM as well. Feeld good, man.
>>45032937
Last time I played? 'Bout a year ago.
Last time I played in a campaign that lasted more than a couple sessions and actually had any amount of fun?
...
Kill me.
>>45032937
Last Tuesday.
>>45032937
Four months ago. In a D&D Encounters game with another group playing in the same room. I had a group of newbies and murderhobos.
The DM was cool, though. But I don't want to come back.
>>45033742
Yep, idiot player right there. I've had my group fight in goblin tunnels where the great sword wielding barbarian/fighter couldn't swing his primary weapon without penalties, and he never complained. How shit was this player? He's complaining about what is arguably the weakest benefit of druids.
>>45040768
Yeah, that attitude right there would make me want to kick you out of the group. It's dickish and straight up comfrontational. Now, the answer I would put up is a DMPC with a vow of silence. Did that before, kept the group from being stuck with healbot player who isn't having fun.
>>45033138
>You suck because he sucks because nobody else dared to do it and suck.
What the fuck, man.
I have never ever played. Such is life in the Zone.I love it
>>45040844
So your games are like videogames? Where a bear is able to constantly hold their attention even though there are humanoids trying to kill them as well? Jesus, you kids play candy ass games.
>>45040931
>practice what you preach
>plays to his role
>not practicing what you preach
Are you just retarded? I certainly wouldn't want you in my game if that's how you act.
>>45032937
Last year and it was fucking terrible.
I've long come to terms with the reality that, for as much as people enjoy (some even say love) my GM-ing style, I will never be able to translate that into being a good or even halfway-decent Player.
>>45032937
Never! But that's alright, I'm far too busy enjoying worldbuilding and running games for my gf at the moment
>>45032937
Are they going to force bara that man?!
>>45040844
But the enemies should just ignore the bears and kill the dude summoning them.
>>45038729
>>45038651
be careful your party doesn't start to rely on the npc for the next piece of the puzzle, its the only problem i've faced with dmpcs
>>45046777
Oh shit I never even thought of this.
>>45034152
>Druid was my first character's class.
>>45032937
Nobody plays unless I DM. It's as simple as that.
>>45032937
You monster
10 years ago.
Why don't you forever DM's team up with other forever DM's and just let everyone get a turn to be a player?
