Does anyone have a definitive answer to whether or not these are canon and if so, who are the canonical winners of the games with multiple options.
Only relevantly backed up answers please.
>>45013041
Why does it matter?
>>45013041
40K? Canon? Lel.
>>45013041
>>45013041
>whether or not these are canon
If you want them to be, sure why not? GW canon is going to shit anyway; best to pick and choose for yourself.
But Blood Angels won all of the Dawn of Wars except Soulstorm, which went to the Imperial Guard.
The same presumably goes for DoW2, Space Marine seems to confirm it.
Macha does survive though.
>>45013116
No, Brother Captain, I said Blood Ravens
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>>45013171
Oops, Blood Ravens, my bad
>>45013041
Do you count the FFG RPGs as canon?
>>45013041
To answer this you would have to estabilish a clear line to mark out canon from not canon.
If by canon we take everything published or released in accordance to GW that doesn't contradict the smaller circle of material published or released specifically by GW itself then I guess it is.
If by canon we take only material from the already mentioned smaller circle then they are not, but the blood ravens as a name and colour scheme for a chapter canonically exist in this.
If you want to take my opinion about this: arguing about canon is stupid, as long as you have clear what's the source of the information you should be free to choose and discuss any material of an IP, be it "official", from a third party or fanmade.
>>45013203
At the moment, more than the shit GW puts out.
>>45013203
The difference is people like Abnett, Alan Bligh, and John French have written for FFG. Not to mention it could be argued that the first few books, which were published by Black Industries, are as canon as any FW book.
>>45013171
*hides relic powersword up mah butt.*
>>45013203
I cherry pick what I like AKAFuck that combined campaign they put out, it was fucking retarded
>>45013153
The Blood Ravens aren't in Winter Assault, unless you're counting the novelisation by Goto, where they appear at the Titan via Webway and revile that the Ultramarines escorting the Titan crew where actually from Alpha Legion all along.
>>45013226
Then yes they are. The entire Blood Raven write up treats them as canonical... even though they take place after Deathwatch, making the history all in the future.
>>45013267
I was asking because the RPGs assume they are, so if the RPGs are canon, then it's a point in their favour.
>>45013323
Well of course they are, the entire smurf chapter are really alpha.
>>45013399
Man they're not even being subtle about them being loyalist Thousand Sons anymore are they?
>>45013323
I forgot about that, it's been a while
>>45013655
The Chapter that is impulsively obsessed with record keeping has absolutely no records of where they came from and has a hard on for psykers and collecting heretical artifacts...
How has an Inquisitor not BLAMMED them already??
>>45013719
I wish I could forget everything I've ever read about that book. It's so fucking stupid.
>>45013755
They do.
And each time, they keep coming back. There's an entire Ordo dedicated to trying to figure out what the fuck's going on.
As far as they can figure out, they're a kind of parasitic reality. The chapter was founded by all of the first founding chapters, but in different timelines. They've lost battles which they won, and vice versa.
OP wants to know which endings were canon for the games? ALL OF THEM.
>>45013755
Nasty things happen to Inquisitors who try.
http://dow.wikia.com/wiki/Executioner_of_Heretics
>This Garm-pattern bolt pistol bears the sigils of the Imperial Inquisition. It was discovered in the Blood Raven Fortress on Cyrene Secundus, near the body of a murdered Inquisitor. It has proved to be an effective weapon, in spite of its dark origins.
>>45013755
"The Executioner of Heretics is a Bolt Pistol belonging to the Blood Ravens Chapter. The Executioner of Heretics bears the sigils of the Imperial Inquisition and was discovered in the Blood Ravens' Fortress-Monastery on the planet Cyrene Secundus, near the body of a murdered Inquisitor. It has proved to be an effective weapon in spite of its dark origins"
Ummm that keeps happening, tis why the blud rehvans remain unpurged.
>>45013888
I've recently gotten the Dark Heresy 2nd edition and plan to strongarm the D&D group I DM into playing something new for the first time.
After they play a couple of the pre-gen adventurers and we all have a hand of it, they're gonna be BLAMMING the shit out of these filthy heretics.
>>45013888
>That moment when Thadeus, coming from a reality who won Kaurava ask about the Kaurava campaign to a Cyrus coming from one who lost.
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>>45013946
>>45014121
>Diomedes comes from a reality where Stubbs didn't lost the Baneblades.
It kind of makes sense now...
>>45014166
You don't even know the half of it.
>>45013041
I am trying to start a petition for GW to make a blood ravens gabriel angelos figurine.
Would #BloodRavensMini work for the campaign?
>>45014238
There's also universes where Gabriel Angelos became chapter master much earlier. (Chapter Approved)
All those gifts other chapters gave them, but have no records of? Happened anyway, but to different incarnations.
>>45014275
>a petition for GW
That's adorable.
>>45014359
the dawn of war games are sort of like a prequel to the chapter approved article.
>>45014379
why not? its worth a shot.
>>45013787
all those eldar wanting gabe's dick was fun
>>45013919
>>45013946
I warned you about Ork snipers bro!
>>45014275
More than minis I want a Blood Ravens codex.
>>45014400
Dude, GW has no proper facebook. They haven't used their twitter for going on four years now. They burned down all of their official forums long ago. They are not in the business of communicating or listening to fans.
>>45014400
>its worth a shot.
How new are you?
>>45014268
What the actual fuck, this fucking heresy would bring a tear to the eye of Horus.
>>45014275
How about #Heresyherewecome
FILTHY BLOOD RAVEN HERETICS GET OUT
>>45013399
>Azariah Vidya
>>45014416
There's not really much to fill out the Codex.
They have fuck all records except of the shit that they shouldn't actually have and can't record having.
>>45014463
You do know you can choose whether to pick up and use tainted artifacts or not, right?
You can go fully pure, in which case you'll end up with the Custodes "gifting" you some armor.
>>45013041
There is no ultimate authority on what is and isnt canon.
For me, Forgeworld books are all canon, I pretty much agree with everything they write. I also consider the Black library's Horus Heresy series to be canon. I know I've disagreed with a couple details in the series, but for the most part I'm ok with the HH novels. I feel the same way about the Night Lords Omnibus.
I've read a few of the BL books with the white cover, and they were pretty awful. It was like I was reading a really long comic book, with no pictures. I dont put much credence in any of the other BL books, but I havent read every single thing theyve published.
I dont think theres anything wrong with cherrypicking bits of fluff to create the universe as you see it. For example, I omit a lot of the retarded Grey Knights shit from their GW codexes. Dudes soloing Daemons in the warp and all that dumb shit. I also have my own version of the Dark Angels story, and so on.
>>45014494
>not really much to fill out the Codex.
>Thousand Sons allegations
>incident at Cyrene
>Tartarus campaign, Akios' Treason and the Maledictus
>Kronus campaign and the "green on blue" on Victory Bay
>Kaurava massacre
>Aurellian Crusade
>Kyras' Treason, Diomedes' Redemption and Angelos' Ascension to Chapter Master
There's more in there than the "muh Fallen" Dark Angels and "Wolfy McWolven Wulf" Space Yiffs.
>>45014416
>More than minis I want a Blood Ravens codex
Just paint them as Blood Ravens, and use the Space Marines or Blood Angels Codex. Making those characters would be easy. Use an existing SM or BA characters profile, and just call him whatever the guy from the video games name is.
>>45014443
change org is different and is worth a shot. Gotta give the shot!
But I need help, I need someone that can use photoshop and put the following on this image:
#BloodRavensMini and the icon for the blood ravens at it's side. I will provide pictures.
>>45014515
The hammer of Fulgrim sure as shit sounds like the kind of thing that would try to "lure" people into using it, all it takes is one retard psyker, who thinks he can resist the call of Chaos while using it for the good of the Imperium, to fuck shit up for everyone.
And the Astartes have no shortage of the self-righteous, and this particular Astartes has no shortage of psykers either.
If the Inquisiton found it even still existed or had half a clue where it "might" be, they'd Exterminatius the whole fucking planet just because.
>>45014550
If i may ask, which of the Space Marine Battle books did you read? I've read the vast majority of them and found there's a fairly equal number of good and bad ones.
Good:
Rynn's World
Helsreach
Battle of the Fang
Legion of the Damned
Wrath of Iron
Architect of Fate
Death of Integrity
Bad:
Hunt for Voldorius
Fall of Damnos
The Gildar Rift
The Siege of Castellax
The Purging of Kadillius
Malodrax
The World Engine
>>45014604
No, they are very different from blood angels and there isnt a good mini to be used as gabriel angelos.
We want an ACTUAL Blood ravens mini.
It's easier for the Bloody magpies to get rules than a model and since Gabriel Angelos is their chapter master now then he is fitting to become the lead figurine.
>>45014603
Are the Blood Ravens in DW2?
I only played the first series of Dawn of War, got the whole box set of the games in a closing downsale of some games shop for like €10, 14(or however fucking old I was) year old me was pretty happy.
>>45014706
>We want an ACTUAL Blood ravens mini.
I'm pretty sure it's just you.
>>45014717
Except the Blood Ravens have the power of plot and a major design studio behind them, allowing them to make GW money, so the rules of the setting no longer apply.
>>45014812
I'm kinda surprised they didn't make a special edition of Dawn of War that came with a squad of Blood Ravens or a mini of Gabriel
>>45014869
they aren't doing that for Total War either.
>no Simon mann goblin mini
>>45014275
That's a pretty retarded idea, on multiple levels.
>>45014515
Merely possessing a weapon forged by friggin' Fulgrim himself is some top tier heresy.
>>45015258
The Ordos Hereticus would get a fucking Ordos Herectionus if they ever found out.
>>45014275
Honestly if they ever come out with DoW3, it certainly would be quite a good idea on GW's part to have in the most basic version of the game rules for using the character in the game on the tabletop, and have a more expensive version that comes with one mini of which you could have quite a few versions (a blood raven version, a gaurd version, an ork version, a chaos version, and eldar version etc.) and finally have a ultimate edition which would have the game and all the models in the lower tier and then some (alternatively you could still do the same thing as before and have one for each army, but have more than one character, for instance the DoW2 equivalent for the blood ravens would probably include models of the force commander, cyrus, thaddeus, tarkus, avitus and maybe a few others).
Good way to squeeze a few more dollars out of people and an incentive for people who like DoW and warhammer but don't play the tabletop game to get into the tabletop game
>>45014909
Why would they make minis for a game that takes place in a now dead world?
>>45015242
ok, go back to your cave where you will die without ever daring to do something. Fucking looser.
>>45014763
Nope, plenty of ppl do as shown in this thread.
>>45013153
>But Blood Angels won all of the Dawn of Wars except Soulstorm, which went to the Imperial Guard.
NO BODY HAS A FUCKING SORCE FOR THIS IN GAME NO THE GAME DEV SAYING IG WON ON HIS FACEBOOK DOESNT COUNT AS CANON THANK YOU
>>45014407
The highly detailed descriptions of their eyeballs getting sliced out or exploding were also kind of fun.
>>45016627
Thanks to DoW2 we know the blood Ravens didn't win.
Sisters couldn't have won because GW would never allow anything good to happen to the SoBs.
Xenos winning would be heresy; moreover if xenos had won they would have never left any space marines alive, and we know that some space marines survived the events of soulstorm, ergo no xeno race could have won, same logic applies to chaos.
Therfore the only logical victor of soulstorm is the imperial gaurd.
>>45017046
there is no logic at play here
stop typing that drivel
we have zero canon source that says IG won please stop spreading misinformation
>>45017203
We have no canon that says they didn't win. We only know that the blood ravens for sure didn't win.
Because of this, saying the IG won is just as valid as saying that any other non-blood ravens army won. So while I may have no ground to stand on, neither do you. Both of us are equally right and wrong.
>>45013041
Only the Ultimate Apocalypse Mod
Which makes me really wish they made a large scale epic like RTS with more grand scale yet still specific battles where smaller scale fights matter like boarding parties, stealth missions, urban assault etc.
>>45017410
lol that isn't how things work, I'm not the one arguing who the canon winner is. but you are running around saying IG is the canon winner when there is no source for that. use your head, don't run around saying IG is canon winner when there is no canon source saying that. Jesus. Just say there is no canon winner. easy.
>>45017540
No.
IG is canon winner, I'll say that all I want. Now stop being so autistic about a game based on toy soldiers and go find so,ething better to argue about.
>>45017540
The Imperial Guard is the canon winner.
>>45017540
IG is the winrar
>>45017683
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>>45017739
Gorgutz is canon winner, other factions can fuck off.
>>45017786
The fact that the Imperial Guard won
>>45017801
Orks have won 40k, but we are talking about a specific campaign
Everybody knows the DoW games were just a training exercise for the Alpha Legion.
>>45017817
No source, no victory.
>>45017919
Where is the evidence that they didn't win?
>>45017919
No source, no defeat
>>45017966
No canon winner. The End. Thanks for playing. :^)
>>45018033
>No canon
An accurate description of 40k.
>>45013161
Taldeer survived because body doubles.And a certain lovely Vindicate Assassin. LET THERE BE LOFN.
>>45013041
IIRC, Gabriel was listed as the Chapter Master in a source book shortly before retribution came out.
>>45013041
Winter Assault: Eldar, Taldeer is being hunted by Alexander for her crimes against the Imperium. Also, Gorgutz has Crull's skull in Dark Crusade.
Dark Crusade: Blood Ravens won, as mentioned in DoW2
Retribution: Blood Ravens won. Gabriel is Chapter Master and their Index Astartes article mentions that fact.
>>45018109
taldeer's soulstone is a plot point of retribution
she dead, and it's beautiful
>>45018496
IT'S A FAKE!
>>45018109
>>45018907
I just wanted to state that recent years have actually made LCB only my second least favorite piece of 40k fandom.
I hate you people, but it's an old and familiar hate. I hate you as I hate my old and decrepit dog that shits on every fucking surface, I pray that you will die, but I do not feel any active urge to kill you myself.
>>45015258
The Forgebreaker is currently (canonically) in Iron Hands control.
>>45020596
Wtf?
>>45021303
Did I stutter? I think all the saccharine 40k fanfic this board produces is shit, but it's sort of established, so I'm incapable of getting so angry so long after the fact.
>>45014275
Fuck the Blood Ravens.
Why not make Codex: Waaagh! Gorgutz?
>>45014490
He was a good player.
>>45014416
Their Chapter Tactics would be similar to Exorcists in that they choose any existing Chapter Tactics before a battle.
>>45013041
I can't say if they're canon or not in the largest 40k universe, but
1) Boreale lost and died in the kuravara campaign, according to dow2.
2) The Blood Ravens won Kronus. I don't remember where it's said, but i remember being said that there were problems with the purging of the imperial guard, and obviously Eliphas and the necron lord were killed in the dark crusade, while Thule is alive.
3) Dow2 was won by the blood ravens, since otherwise dow2: chaos rising wouldn't make sense.
4) The canon traitor is Avitus. Dialogues in retribution confirm it; also, while there is no force commander, there are both cyrus and tarkus, the former in penance. So we can extrapolate that the canon ending is the middle one, where the squad isn't fully pure nor fully corrupted.
>>45014443
black library have an active facebook.
