Is a mono red RDW list too much to ask for?
>>44983085
Yes
>hate blue with passion because fuck blue players.
>be happy to see twin gone
>tron, eldrazi, infect and other degenerate decks start to take over
>already miss twin
Check out this sweet Vedalken art im making. I am creating it from another image that is not of a Vedalken. Super cool and sexy and cute to boot. I want to rub my hands all over her slender body. Haha. Nice thread.
>>44983085
TEE
RRR
OHH
NNN
THATS THE WAY WE SPELL MODERN
YOUR SHIT LOST
OUR SHIT WON
YOUR DECK GOT BANNED
ITS
UNFUN
>>44983811
Is storm okay?
>>44983085
Why not splash white for Boros Charm? And since you're there, why not splash green for Atarka's Command, aka. 6 damage for 2 mana.
>>44983804
This is what you get for being happy your bad matchup is banned. Consider metagame context instead before judging a ban.
>>44983085
Make your own. Just find a bunch of small aggressive red creatures (swift spear, goblin guide, I'm also partial to legion loyalist and figure of destiny) and red direct damage spells, add 20-24 lands and run with it
Daily reminder that storm and storm-like decks are now the only combo in the format
#freeSecondSunrise
#eatYourBreakfast
>>44984394
Well that's what you get when you play non-casual with other neckbeards.
>>44983811
>2 arms
Worst vedalken
>>44984394
Building KCI Eggs as we speak, my friend.
Preparing to go 1-3 every week til the end of days.
>>44984439
Remember to practice proper sequencing or your matches will finish 1-0-0 and everyone will hate you
>>44984394
>>44984452
Official Breakfast Club meeting, everybody else get out
>>tfw you do the totally sick loop-da-loop
>>44983085
Just play tech that nobody expects.
>>44984539
who keeps posting this?
>>44984394
>Still wanting 2nd sunrise
>When you can have BASED JESKAI ASCENDANCY
Does anyone know how infect is doing in the meta, i have been out for a few months?
>>44984572
is tier 2 that proably will get tier 0, at least on an open meta
>>44984572
very very well positioned with the rise of tron an eldrazi meme decks
>>44984572
Tron is running a certain amount of pyroclasm main board, hold up mutagenic growth for it, among other answers. They're top dog and you are second biggest threat.
Are good blue decks really dead now ?
I can't think of a tier 1 blue deck since the ban
>>44984587
>>44984589
>>44984602
holy fuck, i am glad its not a meme anymore. how is it against the eldrazi deck
>>44984624
Grixis is really good if not tier 1
Is bant viable in the modern meta? I ask cause I want to curve heirarch in to geist and also play things like reflector mage/restoration angel.
Every time I look at it though I realize blinking meme rhino is just so much better. Is it worth splashing black for things like rhino, decay, and possibly lingering souls?
>>44984552
>he posts a memedeck
>>44984552
>wanting based Jeskai
>not Ad Nauseam instant-win
Oh it's your turn? You're dropping Ugin and asking for responses? Well in response, Angel's Grace, Ad Nauseam. Game two?
>>44984675
How does it beat Tron or Affinity?
>>44984675
there is knightfall
>>44984664
I wouldn't call it tier 1 since it has a lot of bad match ups
It's solid though
>>44984689
How do other decks beat tron/affinity?
>>44984651
t2 4/4 vedalken clique is a hellova pain.
It's not unbeatable, I think it's only slightly worse than Tron, which is a fairly good matchup.
>>44984698
yea, but at least it does not have any real auto losses. it looses to tron though and i don't know about the eldrazi deck. what other match ups are hard?
>>44984718
>vedalken clique
What the fuck am I talking about. Vendillion Clique.
Thought Knot Seer is a strong card turn 2, is what I'm saying. They'll also probably rip something out t1 with an inquisition or a thoughtsieze
>>44984544
Some fag desperately trying to force a meme.
>>44984726
It has a pretty bad match up against eldrazi
>>44984710
By jamming Deceiver Exarch and Splinter Twin
>>44984748
>blue cards
NOOO ITS TOO OPPRESSIVE BANNED REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>44984732
For a lot of deck that are not infect but combo related they tend to be very redundant so it can be hard to rely on inquisition.
>>44984740
what does the deck do that hurts it so much
>>44984772
It ramps via whacky lands similar to tron and Grixis Control really doesn't have the answers to stuff like blight herder nor can they remove lands efficiently to fight back
It's kind of bad for the same reasons the Tron match up is
>>44984759
I'm pretty sure the next deck that's going to get banned is going to be either tron or eldrazi. A consistent turn 2 thought-knot is just to difficult for a lot of decks to beat.
>>44984539
It don't even understand why this is supposed to be funny.
Did some pro player say some stupid about this card or tech cards in general?
>>44984624
Merfolk has been at the border between tier 1 and 2 for a long time. I don't know how Twin ban affected it though.
>>44984789
Too many resilient threats for too cheap is why it's bad for grixis, which tends towards 1for1's until it can stabilize with an angler with remand or something backup.
>>44984789
Grixis control just gets fucked by the new OGW Eldrazi
Inquisition whiffs all the time, Bolt doesn't kill anything, K Command doesn't do anything to stop the opponent and by the time you can cast Cryptic Command you already have 3 fatties staring you down from the other side of the board
>>44984810
Just ignore it and hopefully it will stop.
>>44984664
Grixis is unplayable now.
It lost its best matchup (Twin) and is choked by Tron and Eldrazi. Its fate is like BGx's, but even worse.
>>44984855
b-but w-wizards told me that twin was holding other blue and red decks back
>>44984855
Time to sell out and buy into Legacy Delver.
>>44984863
Twin was forcing a lot of stuff out of the meta but the problem here is wizards decided to ban it right as a bunch of new stuff that is going to affect the format was coming in. This only justifies that article about the modern protour really.
>>44984863
Good Modern players study the format on a regular basis. Wizards doesn't. The closest thing to a viable blue deck is Jeskai Flash, which is actually nicely positionned in the meta: Lightning Bolt spam on creatures is half the meta, and the Kiki combo and your sideboard can destroy the dreaded Ulamog decks.
>>44984912
You know what else forces a lot of stuff out of the meta? Affinity, Tron, Burn, Jund and Infect.
The point of tier 1 decks is they force out shitty meme decks. So yeah Twin is holding back blue and red decks but by that logic Affinity holds back other shitty robot strategies and so on.
>>44983085
Just wait. Eventually they will reprint chain lightning and mono red will be viable.
Hell even just PoP would be great.
>>44984956
what does Infect hold back besides bad combo decks?
What should I drop to add in counterspells? And what counterspells to put in?
http://www.mtgvault.com/2psychoman1/decks/venser-phyrexian-tainted-2/
>>44984990
Ad Nauseam and control decks
>>44984996
Everything. If you're going to be playing urzatron you should just be playing wurmcoils and ugins and karns and...
>>44984956
I disagree with you about Affinity and Infect, most decks can pack something that shuts them out post sideboard pretty easily.
>Tron, Burn, Jund
I get what you mean. Burn sets the clock, Tron makes the clock irrelevant, and Jund ensures a minimum level of value. In another world perhaps something else would hold that place.
>>44984996
>>44985015
He said BESIDES bad combo decks
>>44985015
Ad Nauseam would not be good without infect and midrange control decks life Grixis and Junk do well against infect.
Modern could really use Retribution of the Meek
>>44985059
>Retribution of the Meek
how?
>>44983085
>Mono-red
You just want to lose to a Leyline?
>>44983804
But Tron isn't taking over, Tron was favored overall against Twin (you literally couldn't lose with a combination 5-8 Rending Volleys + Nature's Claims g2/3) and all the braindead aggro+infect that Twin kept in check somewhat steamroll over Tron like fucking nothing.
>>44985047
Infect beats Nauseam, unless that's what you were referring to.
>>44984996
>http://www.mtgvault.com/2psychoman1/decks/venser-phyrexian-tainted-2/
Jesus mate, what's wrong? Is this a cry for help?
This is all over the place. I'm astounded by the decisions here. It's marvelous in its profundity.
Perhaps I should quit magic.
>3x urzatron
Why? Why are you running them at all instead of basic plains?
>no expedition map
Do you want urzatron or not? If you do, then you should probably run the map. If not, why are you running Urza's?
>Cmc starts at 3
What are you planning to do against affinity? Or burn? Or Infect? Or Bogles? Against DnT? Merfolk? Any and every aggressive deck that plans to land a threat turns one and two are going to steamroll you, even through your value creatures.
Looks like a fun casual deck but not appropriate for a Modern format thread.
>>44985146
4 mainboard Darkness with the new "count to 20 before t4" meta says otherwise.
>>44984990
What good decks was twin holding back?
I never get an answer for this
>muh temur
>muh control
>>44985164
Tron I guess?
>>44984921
Wizards has a few 10s of people at most to focus on modern, while also keeping in mind other formats, while the player base is potentially in the 10,000s or even 100,000s for modern alone
>>44985135
>tron favored against twin
Nope
>>44985164
not much really, it was holding back tron
>>44985164
It also seems like Twin was preventing cards from being unbanned perhaps?
>>44984539
You know what confuses me about pumaposting? It's not actually in Modern. I mean, in Legacy General/EDH General, sure, pumaposting makes sense. But it's not actually in this format to start with. Why even bother?
>>44985245
like what?
>>44985208
It was Tron 40-60 Twin pre-board, 50-50 post-board. Pretty hard to sneak in a combo post-board because of Volley and Boil.
>>44985255
Ponder/Preordain?
JTMS?
>>44985255
ancestral
>>44985255
dread return
>>44985245
BGx decks are preventing cards like Deathrite from coming back
Jund decks are preventing cards like Bloodbraid Elf from coming back
Storm decks are preventing cards like Rite of Flame from coming back
What the fuck is your point?
>>44985270
>50-50
More like 70-30 given that the only way to play around Rending Volley is to play two Exarchmites in a single turn and keep tron off red and Clique + bolts aren't a sufficient clock vs a t4/5 Ulamog which ends the game on the spot.
>>44985272
Ponder/Preordain are because of storm and wizards hate of it. JTMS is a combination are it being from a standard they are scared of and because wizards just dont think that people could beat it in modern.
>>44985281
fair enough, i could see that because it would give Twin a lot of juice.
>>44985298
how in the hell is that relevant to twin.
>>44985066
If Wizards would just reprint PoP that would help the problem immenesly.
>Legacy Burn
>Opponent turn 1 Leyline
>Play GGs and MS
>Then just go to town with 6 damage multiple PoPs
>>44985272
no, that's delver, and to a lesser extent miracles
>>44985313
I'm a Twinfag and I never felt like it was 70-30 for them. You gotta force the Rending Volley on a flashed-in creature (they have to use most of their mana early, after all) and then sneak in a second one for the Twin.
This discussion is pointless because Twin is dead.
>>44985340
Price of Progress in Legacy is fine because your mana base doesn't deal you 4-6 damage every game. There is no need for PoP in Modern.
>"Stoneforge Mystic is the old boogeyman of Standard's past. During the Caw-Blade era, people were forced to play one of two or three decks in order to remain competitive. During this format, Standard was quite unpopular and had record low PTQs and local tournaments, which resulted in the banning of the Kor Artificer at the tail end of her legality.
In Modern she would not be nearly as powerful as she was in Standard and Legacy. Most competitive players agree that Stoneforge Mystic strategies in Legacy are for fools, but I hope that I and others who support the equipment have proved the naysayers wrong. Unlike in Legacy, Stoneforge Mystic in Modern faces a large population of artifact hate that isn't popular in the older formats, four Lightning Bolts in almost every deck, hand disruption that has every black player salivating as we tutor up our Batterskull, aggressive decks that kill with Infect or have a ton of spot removal to remove the Squire before the game-ending equipment lands, early turn kills that prevent us from setting up our win condition early on, and the list goes on and on.
>Legacy is a more streamlined format, and with the power of Force of Will, we can tap out on turn 2 confidently most of the time. WotC fears the cards that tormented Standard, so it removed them preemptively, but it fails to realize that the game is much different. Stoneforge Mystic decks would come out of the woodwork everywhere and finally create a powerful control archetype, but they wouldn't dominate like they did in Standard."
Why can't Wizards see this?
>>44985374
>and then sneak in a second one for the Twin.
But that's my point, by the time twin has 6 mana for casting two in the same end step, Tron has already won most of the time due to a resolved Karn that starts stripping your hand and threatens a restart or a Newlamog. Even if you're sure Tron's not holding a Rending Volley (after a Clique/peek, they might topdeck one from the former?) they might still have a Claim for which you need to hold up counter mana or an O-stone.
>>44985408
Wizards are incompetent
I have no idea what they are fearing when hardcore control decks literally don't even exist at the moment
>>44985398
Would it really be so bad that people who are dumb enough to do.
>Fetch into shock for 3 damage
>Fetch into shock for 3 damage
>Fetch into shock for 3 damage
Will just get rekt by 6 damage for 2 mana?
>>44985453
Yes because whenimbraindead.dec already wins easily enough as it is and most decks cannot function without fetching shocks up.
>>44983085
Best mono red card
>>44985474
>>44985453I run 4x Boomerang and 4x Eye of Nowhere to bounce my opponents shocklands to hand at FNMcan also slow down tron long enough to drop a crumble to dust>mfw mainboard 4x blood moon 4x spell snare
>>44985606
>can also slow down tron long enough to drop a crumble to dust
Lol good luck with that with the maindeck Ghost Quarters and a set of Warping Wail in every Tron side from here on.
>>44985632
>boomerang their ghost quarter
hmm.
>>44985705
If you boomerang their Ghost Quarter that means they resolve/have already resolved a t4 Karn before your crumble innit?
>I draw perfectly in every game hue
Grixis Delver player here, should I audible into Grixis Control or can I still win games?
Just now saw that Twin got the axe.
I'm so sad I wasn't here to witness the salt.
>>44985734
Look m8 I'm running 8 boomerang effects.
I'm going to have one or two in my opener.
That means that turn two I'm (on the play, I always lose on the draw) hitting their first land with a boomerang. This puts me a whole turn ahead, as they have to drop their first land again. Against Tron this means that turn four, presuming no other boomerang effects and if I get four lands, then I can cast crumble to dust before Tron has even put their third land on the battlefield.
I can then manually keep them from hitting enough mana to cast something threatening with further boomerang and land denial effects.
Spell Snare hits Warping Wail.I never said this was a good plan
>>44985746
Grixis control will get raped by Tron.
>>44985827
Blood moons main deck mein negro
>>44985841
Doesn't even help. Grixis control is Troy's bitch
Guys, is etched champion bad in this metagame? Should I just switch to Master of Etherium?
>>44985903
Why not a split? See how the format shapes.
>>44985903
yes
>kozileks return
>'clasm
>natures claim pretty bad
>>44985939
protection from all colors family
>>44985965
Kozielk return is Devoid my friend, gets around the protection. But yeah Pyroclasm and Natures claim do nothing to it.
>>44985965
Kozilek is colorless (devoid), Nature's Claim cranial and/or ravager and you're left with a 2/2 beater that Tron doesn't give two shits about.
>>44985965
>>44985980
Oh and Wurmcoil catches Champ.
>>44985979
yes i knew about koz
>>44985980
mox, drums, and citadel means you're not turning off metalcraft. have fun getting blasted by modular boosted champion
>>44986028
>modular
What do you think Oblivion Stone, Pithing Needle and Spellskite are for?
>>44985408
>create a powerful control archetype,
This is why they won't unban it, wizards hates control. Which is funny because the SFM decks in modern will be midrange decks, not any more controlling than the Grixis decks
>>44986041
>i am going to have every answer in my hand every game in a deck that does nothing until turn 3 or 4
>>44986041
>>44986081
You just need any one of them, really and two of them can be cast t1.
>>44986101
Nature's Claim and Needle that is.
>>44986094
10 bands
>>44984552
> April 4, 2016
> Jeskai Ascendacy banned
> Add Nauseam Banned
> We believe these decks can hurt diversity by playing solitaire while ignoring their opponents like assholes. Thats why we decided to ban them. But dont worry, you can play Eldrazi Decks that can be bought from Star Jew Games and Jew Kingdom and it will cost you a lung or part of your liver.
God I'd give my soul to see Memeskai Combo and Puke&Nauseam get fucked by wizards.
>>44986118
sure, but natures claim means you are not getting tron until t4 at the earliest. needle doesn't hurt as much as you might think because of affinity's various angles of attack
Is boros ever going to be good
>>44986185
Ascendancy isn't a good deck tho. It doesn't win if it doesn't find the ascendancy.
>>44984810
Remember the Storm Crow meme? This is a new meme but less funny and shittier.
Building the Naya Company list that took 4th at SCG Open Cincinati, why the fuck is voice of resurgence $40+? That shit was like $12 a week ago.
>>44986223
Yes just splash green for atarka's command.
>>44986223
Boros Burn was a thing before Atarka's Command.
>>44986185
At least with ad nauseam you can shortcut and pick your entire deck up at once. it is not nearly as bad as kci or ascendancy.
that being said, i played ascendancy in treasure cruise era, and could pull off a win in around 2 minutes without making mistakes
it's just shitters that netdeck and have no idea what they are doing that ruin combo decks like that
>>44986252
BBD playing Bloom was the most cringey thing ever, he obviously never piloted the deck before.
http://www.tcgunity.net/nekroz-deck-breakdown-april-2015-ban-list/
Does /mtg/ have equivalent of Nekroz?
For comparison of impact :in last year's US and Europe world qualifier, more than 16 out of 32 top players from each continent use Nekroz deck.
>>44986332
yes bloom was absolutely the worst offender
shame since it was such a complex deck to pilot
and it was cheap :^)
>>44984759
>>44984805
Say that again.
>>44986239
I think it goes in some kiki chord decks. And some people think kiki chord is more viable with Twin gone
>>44986338
what does any of this mean
>>44986224
Isnt it the same with Ad Nauseam?
>>44986393
I'm asking if /mtg/ have similiar deck in term of playstyle or influence
>>44986420
Standard Affinity had a pretty big impact during it's time.
>>44986409
Ad NAuseam needs only 2 pieces of the combo while Memeskai needs 3 vulnerable combo pieces (cantrip, ascendacy and mana dork).
Thats why Memeskai is a shit deck while Ad Nauseam is a lil better.Both are shitty decks in the end and I hope wizards ban them for ever
>>44985980
>blasting ravager while a champion with metalcraft is up
![fatestitcher[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ubWSgFA.jpg "fatestitcher[1].jpg")
>>44986480
>mana dork
Hah, get a load of this guy.
>>44986501
> 4cmc cost
> Needs to be discarded to work
> Fail the bolt test
Ya, keep trying
>>44986591
Fatestitcher was the only mana dork used in the Ascendancy deck pre-Cruise ban when the deck was at its height.
>>44986591
fatestitcher is good what are you on about
>>44986591
>> Fail the bolt test
Doesn't mean much in Ascendancy, as you can keep playing cantrips in response to the Bolt until you grow out of range of it.
>>44986501
I've seen 2 versions of this deck, the one with glittering Wish and the other one which only use his guy and have control tools.
Which one is the best version?
>>44984793They will axe the Eye. I have shown you the future.
I'm not sure I can play Modern anymore, at least not competitively. The prices were always bound to be screwy because of Wizards' special brand of retardation regarding reprints, but the banning of Twin puts the whole format in perspective.
Wizards' argument that Twin was holding other decks back doesn't hold water. If you look at tournament results, especially recent ones, Twin was not overrepresented at all compared to other "staple" decks like Affinity. And banning Twin because it "reduced diversity" is bullshit as well, because the other interactive blue decks just aren't good in the metagame with decks that are either unfair, or fast, linear, and redundant. Splinter Twin being banned doesn't make Temur, Esper, Bant, etc. any better in the metagame, it just takes away a tool for blue to remain competitive.
The only reason it made sense to ban Twin, if you assume Wizards realized its other rationale were bullshit, was to prevent it from showing up in the PT season coverage. That means one of two things: that Wizards is using its bans to promote turnover in the T1 decks, or that they really just don't have a clue about the format. Either way it doesn't bode well for the future health of the format.
Tell me that I'm wrong. I'll wait.
>>44986784
Eldrazi can't win before turn 4, it won't be banned unless it somehow becomes most of the metagame
>>44987043
Aaron Forsythe basically admitted it on twitter, I don't know who is going to argue with you
>>44987065
>Eldrazi can't win before turn 4
Neither could Twin.
>>44987089
And Twin wasn't banned because it broke the turn 4 rule
>>44983085
MONO RED DECK WINS (to everything but leyline)
Expensive cards are in green
4 T.Swiftspear
>4 Goblin Guide
>0-4 Vexing Devil
>1-2 Grim Lavamancer
4 Spark Elemental
4 Bolt
4 Rift Bolt
4 Lava Spike
4 Shard Volley
0-4 Searing Blaze (can be sideboarded)
>4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
1 Ball Lightning
0-2 Thunderous Wrath
0-4 Hellspark/AshZealot/KeldonMarauders
0-2 Burst Lightning
0-1 Flame Javelin
0-1 Flames of the Bloodhand
Maybe some Abbots or coin flip cards if you're feeling dangerous
SB:
2-4 Molten Rains
>Blood Moon
4 Skullcracks (can even mainboard some)
4 Smash to Smithereens/Shattering Spree
1-2 Pyrite Spellbomb or that new OGW card
1-2 Dragon's Claw
1-2 Pillar of Flame
You can choose some other goodies, Flamebreak for example is cool imo
If I left anything out my apologies, this is mono-red burn, make it according to your budget, Goblin Guides aren't needed (placed first at FNM w/o em)
It's a powerful budget deck, again dem leylines suck.
tfw all my friends are shit at magic
>>44987084
Aaron Forsythe is a muppet, I doubt anyone took him seriously even before he apparently conceded the point.
I'm more interested to hear from people who don't think what's happened this month is a problem, not from those who refuse to acknowledge what happened at all.
>>44986361
I MISS TWIN
>>44983882
you make the same choice twice?
>>44987672
He's talking about running the strictly worse Nacatl version of Naya burn, wherein you apparently always have 3 attacking creatures whenever you cast Atarka's Command
>big tournament at LGS
>get to top 8
>Tron vs Junk
>manage to win
>proceed to lose to Taking Turns in top 4
God damn it there were so many meme decks
I'm buying two Chokes for this shit
>>44986776
It doesnt matter which version is the best, both are boring as hell to watch.
There are 2 cunts (brothers) on my LGS who play 2 versions (the one with glittering wish and the control one) and fuck them, just watching them playing reminds me of eggs deck. they fucking take several minutes to combo off and the basters just decided to draw the last round becase they were first and second.
I hope wizards ban Memeskai Ascendacy to see both fuckers cry.
>>44987738
tryhards like you are the reason meme decks exist
>>44987738
>Taking Turns
What
>>44987784
Because I like playing competitively I'm a try hard?
>>44987784
i just want a simian spirit guide/bloodmoon/ensnaring bridge meme deck desu and watch the tears of nonburn
>>44987799
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=11695
This is the basic idea
>>44987738
What were you playing? Tron?
>>44987755
Get fucked in the ass Tron player
>>44987738
>Taking Turns
Fuck me I love that deck, sorry you got stomped by it though
>>44987830
I just had a stroke
>>44987839
I was on Junk
>>44987841
It's cool, was very annoying at the time though. He shouldn't have gotten to top 8 at all but he rules lawyered his way there.
How much should I regularly pay for a modern deck of 61 cards?
>>44987839
Karn resolves?
>>44987802
Yes.
>>44987896
Yo, let me see your junk list. I've got one in the wings just waiting for a slight update. Bonus points if you spread it out and snap a picture like one of your French girls.
>>44987898
Modern compettetive should go for around $600-$800. But why 61? I know it's only one card extra but why?
>>44987969
Main deck plus a head start on the sideboard I guess.
>Trinisphere is modern legal
Why doesn't it see more play?
>>44988010
There is no good stax home for it right now. The reason it is powerful in Legacy is thanks to cost increasers and other stax tools like Tangle Wire. You don't have the same set of support in Modern, so no dice.
>>44988033
Wouldn't it go perfectly in an Eldrazi deck?
>>44987969
I have a favorite card I always like to shove into every deck I own when I play, even if it goes over the 60 card standard limit since it has a history.
>>44988010
No way to cheat it out so that it's immediately relevant. Otherwise too slow and irrelevant half the time.
Can we have some legitimate Burn discussion?
>Is RW viable and does the inclusion of mainboard lightning helixes and less painful manabase give us a meaningful edge in the mirror and vs affinity?
>Why do people insist that nacatl is viable when eldrazi can land early 4/4s and 5/5s, not to mention the scions from herder, or wasteland strangler's kill ability?
>Why do people insist that Molten Rain is a good card to have against tron/eldrazi when we almost never get to 3 mana, and it's only a temporary setback for them assuming they haven't played a fatty by the time we actually resolve one?
>What's the best sideboard configuration for the upcoming meta?
>What do you board out against different matchups?
inb4 mardu/monored memes
>>44988047
They can't cast it faster than any other deck.
>>44988088
Granted, but it doesn't fuck them over at all
Imma give it a try
>>44987927
Ok just making sure
>>44987943
Mainboard spells, sorry for shitty photo bad camera
>>44988058
What card is that anon?
>>44988128
Main board lands, running bloodstaineds because i don't have all the in color fetches yet
>>44988128
Looks like my list isn't too far removed from yours in its current state. -1 Souls, Tasigur, Sorin. +1 Maelstrom Pulse, Finks, Thoughtseize.
Hows Sorin working out for you?
Speaking of fetches:
Allied colored fetches are back up to $20 each and enemy colored fetches are back up to $50-$100.
Is this just post-ban speculation? Is it likely to go down after the Pro Tour?
>>44988205
And finally sideboard
>>44988229
Sorin + souls is brutal. I was always happy to see him when he showed up.
>>44988145
>>44988114
I can see it screwing affinity post Hurkyls and maybe Storm and Jeskai Ascendancy if dropped at the right moment.
>>44988246
>go down
>after Pro Tour
kek
>>44988205
No Treetops?
>>44988250
Fracturing gust? Isn't that a bit inefficient?
I'm more of a yugioh guy but I really want to get into Magic, is there a ygopro equivalent when I can test decks against the ai until I learn to play properly? I would play the official licensed games but they always seem to be out of date and grinding for cards sucks.
>>44985245
Dig through time was banned for making twin too consistant
>>44988394
Not huge on tree tops in Junk desu
And Fracturing Gust is usually an auto win against bogles and infect. Just have to hold out till I get it.
>>44988128
Hey is painful truths worth it?
>>44988429
infect and affinity i guess
>>44988429
Xmage
>>44988457
Oh, I'm not looking for deck help but thanks, looking for a simulator to fuck around in.
>>44988454
I think so. Need more play testing with it but so far I like it as a 1 of
is a good mardu deck possible or is it doomed to shit brews eternally
>>44988441
Infect? Fracturing Gust against Infect? Have they taken to running things other than Rancor?
>>44988500
Shit brews sadly. Without a solid generic removal spell like how GBx has Abrupt Decay/Pulse, it loses to awkward things.
>>44988476
Thank you very much!
>>44988502
I'm an idiot, I meant affinity @_@
newfag who played super casually with friends around 2000 here
what's the best way to get back into magic but in a slightly more serious manner? if i were to walk into a shop with like 50 bucks today, what should i buy?
>>44988593
50 bucks can get you a decent burn deck; burn teaches you how to efficiently pilot a deck and when to do things, like "should i kill that creature if it might fuck me later on"
>>44988593
don't buy booster packs
>>44988593
the best way to get back into the game would be to buy duels of the planeswalkers on steam and then see if you still like the game
otherwise you're going to get tricked into buying some fat pack or booster box or shitty, linear memedern deck with your fifty bucks and have jack shit to show for it
t. magic player since tempest
>>44986185
Have ad nauseam and want to get ascendancy combo. Is there another deck that plays more like eggs with second sunrise?
>>44988593
with $50? You can buy one whole Karn
>>44988790
Not even
>>44988593
cheap sleeves and 3 draft admissions
>>44988624
>Decent
kek
Even the budget burn deck is more than $50
>>44988687
Just try Magic: Duels, its free to play
>>44988074
fucking nobody? seriously?
>>44988817
people just getting back into magic after a decade arent going to win tournaments, and yes, a decent deck goes for 50 dollars; he doesnt need a 300 dollar greed manabase
>>44988831
Burn isn't fun to talk about. It's also not complicated.
thanks senpai
>>44988687
>tfw was thinking of buying a fat pack for Core 2015 or Zendikar block or something
>>44988667
but muh rares
>>44988870
yeah i just want to have fun at local friday night magic or something while also not having an auto-lose deck
>>44988593
Build a budget affinity deck, then save money to buy the expensive cards.
>>44988934
>It's also not complicated.
can this meme just die already. Just because the deck has a linear gameplan doesn't mean there can't be any depth in the deckbuilding and sideboarding aspects, the aspects with which all of my questions are concerned. You would know that if you read past the first line.
>>44988968
a cheap ish deck is mono green infect and you should be able to get most things for under 50.
anyone want to buy a UW sun titan/emeria deck?
>>44989037
can i see a list
>>44988968
you should consider the pauper general at >>44956749
most pauper decks run around 30/40 dollars, except for the burn decks, ironically
>>44989061
>>44989061
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=10539&d=260313&f=MO
It's this list, but I also have a playset of flickerwisps and other cards to play in the tapout version of the deck like Gideon and Phantasmal Image.
>>44988968
Better off buying a budget deck for standard then.
I think that Atarka Red may be pretty cheap overall without the fetches, atarka's Commands, ot abotts.
Alternatively: http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-54-26-tix-standard-rallies
>>44987043
Twin has won ever PT.
There is no reason to play blue decks with twin around.
You are wrong. Ebin essay
>>44988968
do you know what kind of deck you'd like to play?
>>44989001
>>44988010
Because it doesn't hit other things but dorks and aggro.
... Wait.
>>44989150
>mfw there are mouthbreathers at my LGS who actually believe this
>>44989062
>most pauper decks are $20-$40
>burn is $100
>mfw
this format seems interesting though, thanksi-i'm not poor tho, $50 is just an entry point
>>44989150
>Twin has won ever PT.
Twin won the first modern PT and the last one. In between Eggs and UWR won.
>There is no reason to play blue decks with twin around.
False, there's no reason to play blue decks with Tron, Affinity, Burn, Infect, and Eldrazi in the format. The only way you could hope to beat them was by jamming Twin turn 4 and hoping it sticks.
Maybe EDH General is where you're supposed to be? You have about the same level of card quality and metagaming analysis as they do.
>>44989294
Chain lightning is in serious need of a reprint
>>44989294
Modern is not a good entry level format, even tier 2 decks will set you back hundreds of dollars.
What I would suggest is finding a janky brew that looks fun and taking it to an FNM, the level shouldn't be super high anyway unless your area is just that full of tryhards
>>44989150
>There is no reason to play blue decks with twin around.
>Theres no reason to play decks that only beat twin with twin around
>>44988074
1. RW is viable, but adding green gives you Atarka's Command and Destructive Revelry, which are two very powerful cards
2. I don't run Nacatls and I hate the idea of running them, but some people insist that its a "free" bolt. And yes they do get worse with these new Eldrazi decks running around.
3. I don't know how many lands you run, but at 20 lands I get to 3-4 mana on average within the span of a game, maybe even 5 mana.
Molten Rain is useful against the Tron matchup since it stops them from building Tron on time if they did not already have it out. It is also useful against Affinity and Infect for their manlands, and even Jund to disrupt their colors sometimes. Also it burns for 2 damage, and each point of damage is very, very important.
4. Still testing but I'll be running:
4x Destructive Revelry
3x Molten Rain
2x Path to Exile
2x Deflecting Palm
2x Kor Firewalker
1x Skullcrack
1x Searing Blaze
5. Google it, too long to type right now.
>>44984539
Oh fuck, this actually got a laugh out of me. Goddamn forced meme posters don't make this a legitimate Storm Crow 2.0.
So I've been playing the orzhov eldrazi list with lingering souls and lili's, just put in the thought-knots and matter reshapers and they're ridiculous, and it did very good at out modern tournament last night 4-1
I'm thinking about trying to take out graveyard play though entirely. No stranglers, no sowers, no relics....put in reality smashers in place of sowers and then more hand disruption and spot removal instead of the rest. What do you think? Make the deck weaker or stronger?
>>44988593
Pauper
>>44983804
that'll teach you for having feelings, dingus
Any format where Blue is not the best colour is garbage
>>44989446
janky brew as in a deck thrown together from intro packs and boosters and cheap singles or something? that kind of thing is right up my alley
>>44989487
Midrage Eldrazi decks that ditch the processing entirely are already a thing, people have been brewing for a while.
Check out the mtgsalvation forums
>>44988934
>Not complicated
Every retard who has never played burn
>"b-b-but you just cast spells and count to 20!"
No, just shut the fuck up you don't know what you are talking about.
>>44989561
No, that will just get you a shitty standard deck.
I mean something like this:
http://www.gatheringmagic.com/kevincrimin-video-09192014-playing-on-a-budget-modern-necro-pile/
>>44987755
get fucked, memedern player
>>44989599
>Budget
>4 Inquisitions in the board
HAHA
NO
>>44987896
>rules-lawyered his way there
fuck yourself to death, scrub
this is competitive Magic, there is no fun here
>>44989456
When I say RW, I mean RWg with the splash for revelry. My question basically amounts to, what's worth more, the slight advantage offered by command, or the earier manabase/helixes?
I run 19 lands but I feel like I should maybe be running 20. The question is what to cut for another land; I'm thinking going down to 1 lavaman, but I'm not sure. Either way, I don't like the idea of trying to disrupt tron, I feel like we should just be trying to race them since it's already a favorable matchup. All they can hope to do against us is stick a wurmcoil, and we have paths, palms, and revelries to stop that.
My current board is as follows
4x Destructive Revelry
2x Path to Exile
2x Deflecting Palm
3x Kor Firewalker
2x Smash to Smithereens
2x Volcanic Fallout
>>44989623
It was made a while ago, it's still a relatively cheap deck
>>44985204
you would think that Wizards would at least be capable of simple logic though
>>44988431
except DTT is busted even without Twin as Legacy made blindly obvious
>>44985272
>all of them still banned
Big fucking help the Twin ban was for blue's playability in the format then
>>44985328
Dread Return is a meme, you dip
>>44989608
I'll feed on your tears once your deck si banned Memeskai player :)
>>44984759
>yfw they banned a red card and blue is so anemic it literally can't survive without cards from entirely different colours keeping it on life support
Thank you based Wizards for making the game heartofthecards.gif and the matchup lottery
Player skill is for trashy nerd games like chess and go, I just want to jam Karns and Ugins they're my favourite planeswalkers :^)
Turn 4 rule is the absolute most idiotic format guideline and anyone who thinks it isn't is probably inbred.
