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>there are people on /tg/ right now that unironically dont like the spetsnaz space marine chapter
>there are people on /tg/ right now still buttdevastated that they hurt the feelings of the "totally bro-tier bro salamanders"
>these people are unaware that Vulkan deals with hostage situations by intentionally hunting down and burning all humans alive
when are we going to get more best chapter fluff?
>>44942425
>these people are unaware that Vulkan deals with hostage situations by intentionally hunting down and burning all humans alive
Gonna need a citation there brotato chip
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>>44942546
its on the wiki
>>44942578
Post a link then
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>>44942616
No.
i give you permission to look it up yourself though
>vulkan attacks planet with eldar and humans living on it
>kills all the eldar
>realizes that the eldar were protecting the humans against the dark eldar
>decides to burn all the humans alive since it would be annoying to bring them into the IoM now that they just watched the salamanders kill all their saviors
>>44942704
Hey fucktard I don't know if it's on Vulkan's wiki page or what, how about you stop being a cunt and link it seeing as I'm the only person keeping your shitty thread alive you fucking faggot
>>44942998
No. You made your thread because you like shit marines and their shit colours, who get their ass stomped in by even the guard.
I actually like them. They're one of the more interesting chapters to read about. Shame about the colour scheme though.
>>44942425
The Marines Malevolent fucking endorsed a Chaos attack on an Imperial World, and even have troops infected with the Obliterator Virus. The Marines Malevolent aren't the best Chapter, they're the worst Chapter. If the Administratum knew of half the shit they've done, they'd get immediately excommunicated.
Somebody drop the Minotaurs on those cunts already.
If i could join any space marine chapter it would be these guys.
I really get the whole passive agressive dickery thing, and just being annoying to everyone.
>>44944381
>The Marines Malevolent fucking endorsed a Chaos attack on an Imperial World, and even have troops infected with the Obliterator Virus.
Do you have a source for those? I haven't read about either before and would be interested to see the context.
>>44944381
but the marines magnificent get investigated by the inquisition all the time and have not been found wanting
maybe other chapters should learn to just do their job instead of crying to the teacher all the time
i hope they have a run in with the ultras sometime soon :^)
>>44944601
some marines malevolent did get the virus but then their captain locked them inside a derelict ship and told them to go die
>>44944601
>>44944636
I haven't heard about the Chaos attack but some marines got infected with the obliterator virus while boarding a space hulk. Should be in the Devil's Trappings short story.
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>Captain Vineyar of the Marines Malevolent and Chapter Master Tu'Shan of the Salamanders were involved in a tense altercation in the aftermath of this incident. Some sources imply that one participant went so far as to strike the other without a formal duel of honour having been called - an unusual breach of etiquette in the brotherly ethos of the Adeptus Astartes - but this is unconfirmed.
why are the salamanders such petty children that they start a slap fight with a brother astartes over hurt feelings? why cant they be honorable and respectful like the marines malevolent? a chapter master should embody the virtues of space marines and the emperor, not resort to school yard antics while operating in the line of duty
i hope the inquisition censures the salamanders for this behavior unbecoming of a first founding chapter. its pathetic and embarrassing
>>44944636
Only because they have writer's shields. The Marines Malevolent need to die for being heretics and traitors.
>>44942425
These guys are way too pragmatic in their job.
Even Raptors aren't this pragmatic.
No wonder people think of them as assholes.
One day they'll get sandwiched between the Minotaurs and the Carcharodons. It will not be pretty at all when Moloc and Tyberos will do a double lariat on their Chapter Master.
>>44946437
>not pretty
But anon, the turning of heretic bodies into torn corpses is a beauty that brings even the Emperor to tears of joy.
>>44946331
no its more like they have literally broken no imperial laws. unlike basically every first founding chapter
the iron hands are 10 time the dickheads and cause way more innocent imperial deaths for no good reason then the malevolents
you faggots seem to think they have mountains of heretical actions under their belt or something. all the hate (almost entirely from salamander coal burners) is that during a war, some hostages (not even the majority) died during the attack on the emperors enemies (with 100% of their foes being killed) and they didnt immediately stop their entire war effort to drop to their knees and cry
they are space marines and they did their fucking job. better than most any other chapter without plot armor. their actions actually make sense. when was the last time a chapter went out on a limb to do stupid "noble" shit and actually got burned for it? almost never because plot. lamenters are pretty much the only exception.
i would rather have the malevolents watching my back then the dark angles, blood angles, iron hands, salamanders, space wolves, etc. most chapters are only in it for themselves and ignore laws and do their own thing whenever it suits them
>>44946539
Dunno in their case. I wonder what they did to piss off the Mechanicus that they have to steal shit.
>>44946592
well its not certain that they did. the could just like to salvage equipment when they find it or be low on equipment for whatever reason
>>44946437
>likesthe minotaurs
>a chapter that exists to kill any space marines that the high lords of terra wants
>a chapter of lap dogs with no honor
>all because the marines malevolent dont worship the BBC
The question isn't which chapter is right.
The question is which chapter is everyone else going to believe? And, more importantly, side with in a fight?
A first founding chapter, or a bunch of assholes who run around wearing seizures for armor?
>>44946558
I would rather have Space Wolves or Salamanders.
The other three you've listed are pretty likely to just blow me up if I'm standing too close to the enemy because they don't give enough of a fuck.
That said, they're literally called the Marines Malevolent. They're intended to be disliked. Trying to make them seem like anything other than assholes is like trying to make the Empire the good guys in Star Wars or 40k. They're not, that's the point of their inclusion in the setting, and you're an autistic faggot for thinking anything else.
Not breaking Imperial laws and not being noticed by the Inquisition does not make you not a traitor or douchebag. Pic related.
>>44946558
I'm not talking about the civilians- nobody gives a fuck about them- they fired on the fucking Adeptus Mechanicus and looted their ship. They condoned Astartes with the obliterator virus and sent them off to attack the Salamanders instead of executing them on the spot for heresy. At the very least they need to be refounded, their leaders executed, and their entire ranks reconstructed all under the eye of the Ordo Hereticus.
The issue isn't about them willing make civilian sacrifices to complete objective - all chapters do that routinely - it's about flaunting and being massive faggots about it.
SMs are designed to protect the imperium, being useful tools doesn't make them superhuman. Yes, they're stronger and faster, but an overgrown autistic virgin who needs hormonal adjustments until the end of good life is hardly superior to actual humans since the former usefulness is only limited to the at of war.
Hell, I'd extract spire nobility of administratum adepts over a company of marines - someone need to run the imperium and make people to man the factories.
>>44947076
In the words of Ferrus Manus
>"Rest? We were not made to rest; we go on, unflinching, unstoppable, unending in our strength. The Emperor did not make us for such mortal concerns as hearth and home, vanity or contemplation; we are his engines of war, his hammers, beating out the fabric of existence into a vessel fit for Mankind to inhabit."
>>44946944
i understand the name but their actions are pretty much in line with spetnaz
did you forget that chapters like the iron hands are literally described as HATING (fully biological)humans and consider them nothing but weaklings that need to be killed?
the m&ms are described as being very pragmatic (another stereotype of russians) not as hating humans and wanting to drink their blood and shit. blood angles successors sacrifice unwilling humans to drink their blood or to eat them and youre giving the malevolents shit after saving thousands of them?
>>44947076
>it's about flaunting and being massive faggots about it.
so you finally admit its entirely about butthurt feels? thanks
>>44946437
As much as /tg/ loves to circlejerk about the Carcharodons, they're every bit as brutal and callous as the Marines Malevolent.
>>44947220
They're animals, not assholes.
They're supposed to be cool, the Pissmarines are meant to be hate able. Two sides of the same coin I guess.
>>44946944
Besides the name being obvious alpha legion bait, why does everyone say these guys are traitors?
>>44947625
The name, and the fact that somehow they've managed to get all the way into the Ultramarines inner circle. That's just kinda sketchy for any regiment no matter the name.
One of them killed a Black Templar and took his armor in front of his brothers. It was suppose to be a honor duel, not killing your cousin and taking his clothes.
>>44947746
i guess thats the reason the limp dick salamander chapter master was too much of a pussy to challenge an m&m to a duel and just slapped him like a girl instead?
how many marines do you think the dark angles have killed without even the decency of a duel?
>>44947849
>how many marines do you think the dark angles have killed without even the decency of a duel?
To be honest I see the Dark Angels showing more restraint than the Wolves would, so the Dangle would have to be worked up more I guess. When Dangles murder you, it's because you've seen a Fallen or know about one. Or pic related got too excited.
>>44947849
No, I believe the story is that the Templar challenged him to a duel, and the MM cheapshotted him and took his shit.
Also, you'd seem like less of a cunt if you improved your grammar.
>>44947104
Is this a dig at Vulkan? The references to not having homes, the hammer symbology. What's the context of this quote?
>>44946558
>Doing their job
Sure, I can get behind that. They are pragmatic to the extreme, to the point where they feel the whole galaxy want's to their head, other Imperials included.
When you get shit on by everyone, you tend to become bitter. That's what happened to the MM.
However, I sure as hell would not like to have mne of them guarding my back, because I know that he will run away and leave me to die when the tide turns.
>>44942425
>when are we going to get more best chapter fluff
We get plenty of fluff, brother. Pay no mind to these flavor of the month chapters. Their geneseed is diluted and weak.
>>44947978
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/bitter-salvage-ebook.html
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/vengeful-honour-ebook.html
And here's something I'm laughing at http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/in-the-depths-of-hades-ebook.html
>On Armageddon, the Marines Malevolent embark on a stealth mission to rescue prisoners and secure the help of their Astra Militarum allies, but how far will they go to achieve their goal?
>rescue prisoners
They'll probably kill them for being in the way of being saved.
Is there a Finnish inspired chapter?
>>44948133
>MM get there
>Expect to have to kill prisoners for being so hard to save
>Find a note
>"Lol Trazyn was here."
>>44943068
>>44944345
anons just don't know how to paint with yellow
>>44948205
>>44948133
what are you talking about? this is the one rescue operation they did that everyone is talking about
they saved the majority of them and killed all the orks
>>44948205
>blood ravens led by captain hairgel loot Trazyn
>>44948223
I just don't like yellow. On cars, clothes, or Astartes.
>>44948249
>But to do so they will need numbers, and their Astra Militarum allies are unwilling to threaten the lives of prisoners held by the greenskins. Embarking on a stealth mission to rescue the prisoners, how far will the Marines Malevolent go to achieve their goal?
oh and it even points out that the reason they had to use the tactics they did is because other imperials wouldnt do their job so they had to resort to desperate measures to save imperial lives and kill the enemies of the emperor
what fucking heroes. they dont let the cowardliness and incompetence of others get in the way of accomplishing their mission
>>44947849
The Dark Angels don't engage other Chapters, nor does the rest of the Unforgiven. There's heated honor duels between the Space Wolves and Dark Angels, but that's it.
Also, stop typing like a fucking child.
>>44948250
>Trazyn promptly loots himself to escape
>Takes commander Hairgel with him.
>>44948349
are you being serious you closet faggot? the dark angles murder astartes/inquisitors/anyone that find out about the fallen
>>44948349
>DA don't attack other chapters
*cough*Ophidium Gulf Crusade*cough*
>>44948498
No shots were fired. They heated up the lance batteries and the Black Templars immediately backed the fuck off.
>>44948412
Then name every single Space Marine and Inquisitor we've seen them kill.
Oh wait, they haven't because you're spouting memes.
>>44948587
Nah, it's heavily implied that after they got their prisonner they blew the BT's into oblivion.
>>44948635
Not really considering the new Deathwing game takes place on the Black Templar Strike Cruiser. Turns out they suffered death by Nids.
>>44948643
>Not really considering the new Deathwing game takes place on the Black Templar Strike Cruiser. Turns out they suffered death by Nids.
Source? I thought it was an AdMech ship.
>>44948672
Both. It's going to take place in multiple locations.
http://www.sggaminginfo.com/2016/01/look-inside-a-mammoth-ship-with-new-space-hulk-deathwing-screenshot/
>>44948672
The newest screen shots have loads of black Templar iconography. Here's one of said photos. Look at the left hand side.
>>44948690
>>44948743
>hip hop marines stomp the yard and step up to rap battle their way out of the inner city: the game
>>44948743
Just saw that but that doesn't mean it's the same ship. I find it hard to believe that all of the Templars died on that barge. There has to be an Apothocary still guarding the geneseed, or a dreadnought still slumbering on.
>>44948805
Considering that there's a Broodlord the size of a Hive Tyrant in the game, I think he's dead Jim.
>>44948805
I never said it was the same ship, like another Anon sated. I think it takes place on multiple ships.
>>44948851
Can the Broodlord rip its way through a marine sized hidey hole? The Dreadnoughts could still be around. Would the stealers attack them while they're sleeping?
>>44948805
I think the black Templar are dead mate.
Also quads
>>44948893
Considering Tyranid claws can rip through adamantium like it's paper and there's corrosive acid, I'd warrant a yes. The Nids also appear to have been there for years by the state of the ship- everybody's dead.
>>44948906
>>44948929
That's actually sad. The Apothecaries' corpses is probably where the geneseed vault is. Wait. What about their vehicles? That has to be around unless the genestealers have played demolition derby with metal boxes.
>>44948690
The Maricachiwing is still alive? With them going completely dark forthe last halfof a year I thought they got quietly cancelled.
>>44949112
Nope. I personnaly asked Focus on twitter, so don't worry, and that was before today's screenshots.
I much prefer silence and work rather than streams every week and little to no real work done like with Eternal Crusade.
The worst chapter. Hands down. Not a single positive thing about them.
>>44949274
Did you purposedly not include a post number so that we would guess which chapter you mean?
>>44949291
Possibly.
>>44948097
stupid sexy blood ravens
>>44949537
>>44944636
The Dark Angels have been under suspicion for longer then the marines Malevolent have existed. Never investigated mind you but I think being suspected of treason and/or heresy for 8,000+ shows it's completely possible to for a space marine chapter to put one past the inqusition.
>>44950018
inquisitors go "missing" when they try to investigate the dangles
>>44948345
Good. They're still space marines after all. Heroes of the imperium every last one of them. But that's not to say that nearly every other chapter wouldn't have done the same thing. Carcharadons come to mind. Lack of stealth and all.
>>44947849
They're honourless sacks of shit and were treated in kind. I mean they got the job done but they're idiots for going out of they're way to antagonize everyone around them like that.
>>44950362
>But that's not to say that nearly every other chapter wouldn't have done the same thing
no in reality the majority of chapters wouldnt bother with such a task and would see it as being beneath them. a large percentage of the rest would just kill everyone in a total bombardment
honestly the M&Ms mistake was leaving people alive to complain about being rescued. i hope they learn from their mistakes in the future
if they would have just killed everyone and said the orks did it like their senior chapters would have done there would be no problem
>>44946806
Minotaurs are cool because of a few reasons;
A: They're freaking space Spartans.
B: The prospect of a Chapter based around hunting other chapters and getting really good at is is cool. They're dicks, but they're cool dicks
C: This mother fucker.
>>44950501
I never got the impression that space marines would just bomb the prisoners. Iron hands would but the rest of the first founding chapters seem likely to go through with the mission. Can you give me rough idea of why you think that? A story a bit in the codex or something like that.
>>44948412
>those faces
>>44951307
stories like the dark angles just ignoring and retreating from engagements to go do fallen hunting shit and leaving the imperials to die
blood angles successors sacrificing people to drink their blood and eat them
star phantoms blowing anything up that gets in their line of fire
salamanders and vulkan intentionally hunted down and burned an entire planet of humans that they knew to be innocent because they didnt want to listen to their shit
iron hands
space wolves and blood angles rage out and kill random people
space sharks, minotaurs, sons of medusa, etc etc etc
anyway i actually think most first founding chapters wouldnt bother with it, not that most of them would kill the prisoners. just that they would be angry that they were even asked and fly off and let them all get raped to death by orks. there are not many stories of first founding chapters doing rescue mission just to save a few normal humans. its almost silly to think about
>>44946437
>too pragmatic
>The chapter that has alienated all potential allies because they're such massive assholes for no reason.
>Pragmatic.
>>44951597
Jesus fucking Christ man, take an English class. Are you putting this shit through a translator?
>>44951895
the space wolves? iron hands? dark angles? white scars? come on dont leave me hanging. give me a hint
>>44951966
The Marines Malevolent, you Grade A, Free-Range Faggot.
>>44951597
Are you retarded or just goal post shifting? Nobody gives a shit about civilians. The Marines Malevolent attacked the Adeptus Mechanicus and stole RELICS. They then condoned the use of fucking OBLITERATORS AND SENT THEM TO ATTACK AN IMPERIAL WORLD.
The Marines Malevolent are full heretics/traitors for these actions. The civilian killing doesn't mean shit, the fact that they've actually attacked the Imperium and didn't execute Marines infected with the Obliterator Virus (and went so far to use them as weapons in politicking) that damns them.
Then again I expect nothing along the lines of what may be described as "logic" from a shitposter who is so retarded he doesn't know what capitalization or punctuation is.
>>44952033
>then condoned the use of fucking OBLITERATORS AND SENT THEM TO ATTACK AN IMPERIAL WORLD.
but that didnt happen
>>44951966
Either you're the most tryhard troll I've seen in a week or you're drunk so much MM Kool-Aid that you've now got Diabetes.
>>44952075
Salamanders books by Nick Kyme. Sergeant puts Marines Malevolent tainted by Chaos and sends them off to go attack Nocturne instead of executing them on the spot for heresy. That alone should warrant the sanction of an Inquisitorial purge of their command.
any appreciation for this chapter>tfw your starting chapter still has no lore other than no homeworld because of tyranids
Who do you think they're descended from? I'm betting Iron Hands
>>44953120
blood raven successors. their skill in gifting is diluted so they resort to scavenging
>>44952121
Ho shit we got some sauce on it. Malevolent gettin' beat.
holyshit this is even more tryhard edgy than the space sharks' new incarnation
>>44946806
Never said I liked the Minotaurs.
Then again, every single other Chapter is more likeable than the Pissmarines.
>>44951895
It is. Their contempt towards others that results from their pragmatism results in them being assholes.
>>44953120
Either World Eaters or Iron Warriors. More like the latter it seems.
>>44955527
Being so arrogant that you alienate anyone that's willing to help you is hardly pragmatic.
>>44955558
They don't think too deep. They just do it.
>>44955570
NEVER FORGIVE, ALWAYS FORGET!
Remain perpetually angry and confused!
>>44955599
Pretty much this + not caring at all.
To: General Vladimer Kurov, Commander Imperial Forces, Armageddon.
From: Colonel Destrier Celestine, Armageddon Command Guard
Date: 998.M41
Subject: Conduct unbecoming, Marines Malevolent
Thought for the day: Let the fire of battle cleanse your soul
General Kurov,
I must bring to your attention an action that took place at 06:44 (local time) in the environs surrounding Hive Hades. An incident involving the Marines Malevolent Chapter of Space Marines has brought to light some disturbing behavioural patterns within their ranks that I feel merits your most detailed attention.
Striking from the Diablo Mountains, a force of Orks (estimated strength: 5,000+ with vehicle and dreadnought support) poured down Devil's Ridge and stormed the blockhouses at the head of the Eumenidies river bridge. The Orks slaughtered the defenders here and swept across the bridge into Emperor's Deliverance refugee camp. As you are no doubt aware, this camp currently houses over 12,000 refugees from the destroyed hive and nearly 1,000 members of the Adeptus Ministorum.
>>44955723
I was therefore horrified when the Whirlwind anti-personnel tanks of the Marines Malevolent opened fire on the Orks while they were still within the camp's perimeter. High explosive rockets turned the refugee camp into a storm of shrapnel and when we launched our counter-attack, I saw horrendous collateral damage amongst the camp's population. While the Orks were penned within the camp, the Marines Malevolent were able to isolate areas of resistance and destroy each one in turn. The battle lasted for another six hours and the Orks were eventually destroyed utterly.
>>44955736
At the battle's conclusion I confronted the leader of the Space Marines, Captain Vinyard, and appraised him of my disapproval regarding his battle stratagems. Not only did the captain threaten my life, but he also stated that those who had died in the camp were expendable and acceptable losses. He went on to say that those who would not fight against the Orks and would cower in a camp had no right to live because their freedom was bought with another's blood. Captain Vinyard then expounded fully (and at some length) on his belief in the ultimate supremacy of humanity in war and his Chapter's tenets of belief. Namely that there is no such thing as innocence, merely degrees of guilt. I fully believe that the Marines Malevolent hold Imperial citizens in contempt and perceive themselves to be self-evidently superior to their fellow man. While biologically this may indeed be the case, I feel it is a worrying psychological trait that has not only brought about the deaths of nearly four thousand refugees and members of the Adeptus Ministorum, but shows a worryingly egotistical streak in the command structure of the Marines Malevolent.
I look forward to your earliest reply.
Colonel Destrier Celestine
they did their job. no one else had any better ideas. everyone was just sitting on their hands waiting for the problem to solve itself. actually scratch that, other imperial forces flat out refused to help in the rescue operation so the M&Ms had to do it alone
>those who would not fight against the Orks and would cower in a camp had no right to live because their freedom was bought with another's blood
this is actually a really good point
>>44955723
>>44955745
You know, not to sound edgy, but 1 space marine was worth probably more than all the human losses combined.
>>44955723
>>44955736
>>44955745
Third Armageddon War, official GW lore. My introduction to the Mouth Melters
>>44955792
Yes that's true, its hard to tell if that got cited since the reporter was clearly biased. I think the skittle Marines problem is they should not be allowed to talk to people. Also killing other Marines and taking their shit seems like a bad idea.
>>44948978
>unless the genestealers have played demolition derby with metal boxes.
I kinda want to see that now
I'd rather get blown up by artillery or any friendly fire for that matter (well, maybe not actual fire) than being left at the mercy of pretty much anyone in 40k, sans Tau and maybe Eldar.
>>44947185
don't try to act smug, cockhugger. It's about their attitude to their mission.
They have exactly kind of approach as CSMs do - wreck shit in the most spectacular way possible, with little care about the reasons behind their actions.
If you like, you can compare them to Lorgar who only cared about worship and did not care who to worship.
MM are the same in the regards they want to wage war, caring little about their mission which is being defenders of humanity. Not humans, but the humanity and the imperium. Feels have nothing to do with it, it's all about mindset.
As said, all loyalists sacrifice imperial citizens in their tens of thousands when it benefits the larger part of the mission, but MM are the only ones who are openly arrogant about it and see other humans are trash, whereas they are themselves nothing more but tools so that humanity is shielded from its enemies.
This kind of shit led Astral Claws to become what they are now.
But sure, be an edgy smugwannabe cunt, stupid pathetic whelp.
>>44950540
>he prospect of a Chapter based around hunting other chapters and getting really good at is is cool
Then you should be a Space Wolf fan.
>>44955792
This.
It's a wonder why this always needs to be saidabout this incident.
Civilians are worth nothing in the Imperium. 5k orks is a lot, even for SM. Every brother lost is a huge loss. Who gives a shit about civilians when your bolter is litteraly worth more than the average hive planet.
>>44955792
Oh, it's true.
But it's also a case of 'Worrying disregard for the people they are supposed to be protecting'.
It's sorta 'They stopped the orks but also destroyed the people they were there to stop the orks killing'. There isn't really a good answer about it as this is much more grey than say...the Flesh Tearers running out of enemies and killing the imperial guard allies.
>>44956394
Triggered imperial baby detected
Go back to Redditus
>>44956528
>4chan is for le edgy chapters like MM
>>44956452
>litteraly worth more than the average hive planet.
That's so far from the truth you're in danger of going all the way across the chart of wrong till you're actually right. Hive Worlds are some of the most precious resources in the Imperium, entire Chapters would be worth one. Planets are of the ultimate value for the Imperium.
>>44956671
I list admit I laughed about the chart.
But I do remember reading something about an Imperial Governor getting his hand on a space marine weapon is :
A) A blasphemy
B) Still EXTREMELY expensive and only the most wealthy of governors would be able to get one from the black market
Man power is the one thing the Imperium doesn't lack. On the top of mind, the Crimson Castellans let one of their recruiting hive worlds after fighting the Tyranids for it because, well shit, there's always another one nearby.
I'd say by far the most precious worlds are Forgeworlds.
>>44956720
Hive Worlds aren't just recruiting. They're massive resource pools and trade because of just how large the population is. The only thing worth more than a Hive World to the Imperium is a Forge World. Bolters are rare- but there are FAAAR more bolters in existence than there are Hive Worlds (tens of thousands to countless millions).
>>44956793
Also I don't really count Forge Worlds because technically speaking the Adeptus Mechanicus is not the Imperium of Man.
>>44951895
There's a Deathwatch short story that looks at it kind of interestingly. You know how the Angels of Vengeance are a chapter so stubborn, they'll win a battle to lose a war? The Marines Malevolent are like that with pragmatism. A wounded marine should be left behind rather than putting everyone else at risk. They'd rather use Whirlwinds to eleminate Orks and hostages rather than put their marines, and their fighting strength, at risk - and they are a very poor chapter, to the point where they argue with Salamanders over some old armor.
>>44948587
Why do nerds get so invested in defending a made up chapter? Doesn't the fluff become more interesting if the DA have no qualms about killing loyalist marines to protect their secret?
>>44956528
A-ha!
>using "imperial" as an insult
All you need to know about MM sympathisers
>>44948635
It's fairly clearly stated that the Dark Angels left the system before the Black Templars did, and the Black Templars never made contact after they tried to make their own jump.
It's actually fucking hilarious - the one time that the Dark Angels don't really do something wrong, and the Black Templars are hating them for the perceived foul play. I love the horrible irony of it.
>>44956720
Except, no about the Space Marine weapon thing. Bolters are common enough that underhive gangs sometimes make use of them. They're expensive as far as Imperial weapons go, and they need continuous expensive ammunition, but ultimately they're really pretty standard.
>>44955792
That is true, but the human commander of a bunch of humans isn't going to be able to look at the large picture like that. Especially since those refugees could have been potential conscripts or something.
But the most worrying thing is that they literally did not care about any losses, even though at least in theory their job is to protect the Imperium and its citizens (the former, its equipment, buildings, and leaders before the later). Their lack of humility or restraint could lead to Chaos taint.
>>44956867
Human bolters are different from Astartes bolters.
>>44956951
No they aren't. The Godwyn is, yes, the larger of the patterns used by the Imperium and is generally exclusive to Space Marines. That's simply a matter of useability. If a Inquisitor, Guardsman, or Sororitas is capable of firing one there's no reason they wouldn't.
Sargent Harker shoulders a standard heavy bolter, the same as Devastators, like a rifle.
>>44956991
Calibers vary widely between boltguns, as do quality of machine spirits and firepower. Commissars for example typically use lighter caliber boltguns so their shoulder doesn't come off from all the executions.
>>44956825
Is it Machine Spirit? Where they deag the wounded sargeant while being attacked by Kroots?
I thought it was very good to expose, even so briefly, how interesting the MM can be.
>>44956854
Why yes, because the BT never left the system. The reason they never made contact is that they were blown to hell and back man.
>>44957020
>Calibers vary widely between boltguns
>Commissars for example typically use lighter caliber boltguns
[citation fucking needed]
I'm so tired of this "durr, hu-man calrbur bolts, hurr" shit that keeps getting passed around without anyone ever giving any source or evidence.
>>44957100
Not this guy.
I'll agree that, normally, all bolters of the same class have the same caliber.
For example assault marines can use the ammo of their pistols in a proper bolter.
However, SM weapons are a much better quality, so that's why, to get back ln the subject, a SM weapon is worth an astronomical sum of money, and therefore, much, much more than a human.
Remember, a lasgun is more expensive than a man in the Imperium.
>>44957100
Basically the entirety of Deathwatch.
>Man’s Reach exceeds his Grasp
>Grave religious taboos exist throughout most of the Imperium against daring to touch weapons meant for the hands of the Emperor’s Angels of Death. Astartes weapons react violently to the grip of the unworthy, and men bearing terrible burn scars are living proof of a flamer’s outrage in the hands of an ignoble master. Still, there are invariably those bold and foolish enough to try taming the machine spirits of Astartes weapons. Obtaining an Astartes weapon should require considerable effort on a character’s part and never simply be the result of an Acquisition or Influence roll. Astartes Ranged weapons count as one Class heavier to anyone lacking in Space Marine physiology. For example a Pistol is a Basic weapon; a Basic weapon is Heavy, and so on. Furthermore, Astartes weapons impose a –30 penalty to all Tests made with them by presumptuous mortals due to improper scale, weight, and/or recoil— even in power armour. The GM may also choose to impose other problems from the rebellious machine spirit based on the nature of a weapon (a plasma weapon may require Toughness Tests from routine heat venting; a power weapon may run the risk of feedback, etc). Space Marines may use weapons scaled for normal humans without penalty if they choose, although the GM may wish to require that the Space Marine take an extra action or two to remove parts that get in the way (such as the trigger guard or the stock!).
>>44957068
Or they just got lost in the Warp. That happens sometimes. Maybe the Fallen left a bomb. As the Deathwing suggests, maybe there were Tyranids.
Normally, I'd agree with you, but it says outright that they left the system the moment they got the Fallen, and before the Black Templars reached their jump-point.
>>44948157
White Scars :^)
>>44957159
>Most bolter models have their roots with the Space Marines, despite smaller, inferior adaptations treasured by Imperial officers and nobles.
>Angelus Bolt Carbine
>Class: Basic (Bolt)
>The fanes of Gunmetal, among their most important duties, hold an oath-bond to manufacture the casing and primary propulsion charges for Astartes calibre bolt shells. Production of the Astartes bolts is carefully controlled and monitored, and once made, each case is stamped with the aquila and its maker’s mark before being passed on to the Adepts of the Machine God. Despite the security and precautions inherent in this sacred duty, it is said a few of these shells never see the aquila stamp. These so called “blind shells” are both utterly illegal and highly desirable, but on their own, blind shells are useless without a weapon to fire them.
>Consequently, the Fane of Fykos makes in secret a weapon known as the “Angelus”. Bluntly elegant in shape and crafted from the finest materials, the Angelus’s lacquered stock houses its magazine and unlocks to take three Astartes calibre bolt shells snugly nose to tail. Provided only to their richest and most trustworthy of clients, the exclusivity and terrible killing power of the Angelus is favoured by the wealthiest of bounty hunters and the most accomplished of beast-slayers in the Calixis Sector. Carrying one of these powerful, but highly illegal weapons entails certain risks all of its own.
>>44957175
You're right actually, just dug up my old BT codex, DA did leave as soon as they got Cypher. My bad.
It'd be cool if Deathwing would expand upon existing lore a bit.
>>44945128
>embody the virtues of space marines and the emperor,
>not resort to school yard antics
Pick one
>>44956394
>Comparing glorious MM to Lorgar
You're really reaching huh?
>>44942425
>Be Imperial Guard on planet fighting Chaos
>Word on the horn is that space marines reinforcements are coming
>Praise the Emperor!
>It's the Marines Malevolent
>Heavy casualties in the regiment. A lot of them are from the Marines Malevolent
>One of the high-ranking commanders complains to the Marines about all the friendly fire. He's killed for "Heresy".
>If this is what the Emperor's angels are like, then I don't want to serve him anymore
>Become a heretic and battle against the corpse-god and his cruel angels of death.
>>44956833
>implying I worship the corpse emperor
>implying I don't engage in drug orgies with daemonettes, cut the skulls from my foes, consult the darkest of tomes for forgotten rituals and bathe in the glory of pestilence daily
Stay mad imp-cuck and wait to get exterminatus'd while you work at your foundry 20 hours a day
>>44957651
Oh. Now I see. You're an idiot. Now the question is if I should call the Black Templar or make my popcorn first.
>>44957100
40k RPG. Pick any of them. There's a whole chapter on this which explains it in detail.
This is so basic and obvious that it's painful to have to point it out.
>>44957681
Typical response of the impcuck lol
>>44957777
Well, I could deal with you myself, but cult-blood is oh so hard to get off the greaves. Really, even your blood is below that of an Astartes.
>>44942425
>>44944636
>>44947108
>le spesnaz are hostage killers meme
Beslan had a huge casualty rate because the terrorists were blood crazy Chechens who rigged everyone and everything with bombs. Not to mention some of the hostage's family members took up arms themselves and stormed the building.
Moscow theater was a giant fuck up because the higher ups didn't want to disclose what kind of gas was used on the terrorists and thus the afflicted hostages didn't receive proper care.
>>44958264
>Took up arms themselves and stormed the building
See, that's whay happens when you try to play the hero when you're not prepared and trained for it. I'm guessing they all got killed?
>>44958364
They joined the spetznatz aka picked up a rifle and joined the rescue effort and shoot the bastards. Unfortunately most civies are poorly trained against chenchens
>>44948412
Anon the Dark Angels are renown for being team killing fucktards. Its just part of their charm
>>44957986
Imp bitches getting mad cos their gf loves my daemon cock
>>44958485
You might get the common whore on that limp noodle for some money, meanwhile I'm rolling out in my Land Raider filled with Ecclesiarchy women, hunting you down the scum you are.
>>44958704
>ecclesiasticary 'women'
Uptight bitches with cunts colder than the corpse emperor's arse hardly count, brother :^)
