Hardcounters to Tron Edition
If you've been dead for the past few days, Splinter Twin and Summer Bloom have been banned. The police have left the city; we're Chicago now.
Is it basically required to have 4 Ghost Quarter in the side now? What decks are sleeping giants that are bound to make waves? IsAd Nauseamstill a meme?
>>44875051
Blue Moon.
I don't know what the answer is but I know the market thinks its Fulminator Mage
I want to play a deck in Jeskai colors.
Is UWr control legit for FNM level of play?
accidentally posted this in the last one but what would be the cost of building merfolk if i already have Aether viles? I am currently stuck between Merfolk or Instant Reanimator for what deck to play next.
>>44875065
Your daily reminder that Tron is essentially a colorless deck, and that control decks can't close against it even if you shut off the ramp.
The Wurmcoils crawling up your ass don't care how many lands were tapped to play them, or what colour they were.
Tron is immune to discard and holds the best inevitability in the format. Spell Piercing a Karn or Ugin was only cheeky when you could punish them for tapping out with Twin the next couple turns. You're going to run out of countermagic long before he runs out of threats, and even if you don't you still have to win the game.
>>44875051
stax/mud when?
>>44875132
Soooooo what you're saying is I shouldn't bring Grixis control to a local tournament this Saturday. I should bring burn.
>>44875132
Moving karn from turn 3 to turn 10 is a pretty decent thing to do. Pushing back wurm by almost that much is the same too. Also by the time engine comes down you'll practically be able to steal it with shackles.
>>44875189
This is assuming you don't just flat out lose to a resolved Karn on T3, or he practically wins by popping a rock/floating mana and wiping it out with one of the half dozen options for artifact/enchantment removal Tron now has free.
>>44875186
As someone that plays all flavours of grixis, definately take burn
>>44875186
I am already dismantling my grixis and shifting to Jeskai Aggro. Take the burn List.
Tfw loam pox is good in the meta. Tfw 8rack is also very well positioned.
>>44875051
Ghost Quarter -> Surgical Extraction on one of the lands is the best I can do in Esper Control. That slows him down a lot and stops Emrakul from hitting the field. I can deal with Wurmcoil/Karn/Ugin/Newlamog if I have time to sculpt a hand and make land drops.
>>44875065
Blue Moon is a bad deck because aside from bouncing something with cryptic and then countering it again (probably with another cryptic because by the time you have the mana to do this Mana Leak will be dead) you can't deal with resolved threats that don't die to bolt. Grixis/UWR/Esper all have hard removal in the main and better sideboard options for noncreature permanents.
Should I be picking up goblin gudes now? Been thinking about building burn lately.
The the meta is aggro. Whatever you are doing make sure you can apply pressure and a clock. I forsee all decks changing this way.
>>44875484
Should have picked them up during the hype after the MM2 announcement like I did. $55 for a playset, best decision I ever made.
>>44875112
>Take cost of Merfolk.dec
>Subtract cost of vials
>Was that so hard?
>>44875647
Yeah I'm kicking myself over that. I already have one, only need three more. I'm just afraid they're gonna rise higher given the apparant focus on aggro post ban
>>44875704
Buy them now, they have nowhere to go but up
lmao
>>44875112
I finished mine for about three hundred dollars, I had my vials and a cavern from legacy DnT already.
>>44875788
based
>>44875788
The same is true for all great decks.
>>44875788
>Bandage of honor
But of course!
In red, black and white on my arm :v)
>when people forget Reality Smasher has trample
I haven't played for like 3 years. I'm bringing my old monoblue faeries deck to a local tournament this weekend. Aside from the usual problem that aggro poses, anything I should particularly beware or otherwise plan on having adjust my sideboard to combat?
>>44875051
Would reprinting invigorate make infect viable?
Would Counter spell be too OP?
Would Price of Progress be too OP?
>>44875051
The metagame without twin is going to be gross
>but my tier 6 brew might be top tier now with twin gone!!!!
lmao
>>44876368
Infect is T1 now because it destroys Tron, what are you on about? Invigorate would make it the best deck in the format by far, you'd win T2 like 50% of games.
>>44876395
Then why isn't it viable in legacy.
>>44876368
>invigorate make infect viable
Infect was already viable. Invigorate would make it broken.
>counterspell
Probably wouldn't change much. Control would still suck dick in modern until we get something like stoneforge or mind sculptor
>>44876390
Everytime I see this pic I forget it's a jumpscare.
>>44876390
JUST VISITING THIS THREAD TO SAY YOU'RE A MOTHERFUCKER, HAVE A NICE DAY.
>>44876395
Not him, and I'm not saying Invigorate should be reprinted, but I really don't think the metagame is as simple as you think it is.
Spellskite is still a thing that gives Infect headaches, for example. Moreover, aggressive strategies was always Tron's worst ones. Twin on the other hand was pretty easy for Tron to deal with, especially near the end, and Twin did a lot to hose many aggressive strategies.
>>44875704
wow you were in the same position i was two days ago. Buy them now t.b.h fa.m
>>44876414
force, daze, misdirect, making your creature a simple farmer, etc.
>>44876368
I want Price of Progress in Eternal Masters.
>>44876643
Could you imagine if instead of unbanning Twin, they just declared Modern a T3 format, unbanned blue's toys, and reprinted Counterspell and Price?
Legacy Burn is already just Modern Burn + Price and duals, so it really wouldn't take much to get the aggro decks on a T3 clock.
>>44876727
Doesn't legacy have chain lightning too?
Did you jew well, /tg/? (8.99 each)
>>44877060
why do you need so many if you can only have 1 in play?
>>44877096
hes a jew
>>44875076
Yes but i think the key is going moar aggressive
>>44876907
and flame rift and fireblast.
So how do you guys feel about the new Tier 1 illusion deck?
>>44877157
I feel you're a fucking tranny that won't ever win a tourney.
>>44877261
That's cute but I've already won quite a few MTGO events. Sure, nothing super major but still. More than you.NICE PROJECTION
>>44876390
Fuck you.
>>44877274
>MTGO events
>"Tourney"
Hahaha.
Dumb tranny scum. Where is proof?
Nowhere!
>>44877096
He's part of the cancer that's ruining magic.
>>44877274
I like your Leyline of Sanctitty and Jace's Phantasm combo there
>>44876447
>Twin on the other hand was pretty easy for Tron to deal with, especially near the end, and Twin did a lot to hose many aggressive strategies.
This. I'd rather play a thousand Twin g2/3s than a single match vs burn or infect that rips the god draw.
>>44877157
Why the two Unsummons? I get that you don't lose the life if you want to save one of your lords, but that seems very negligible while the extra damage a Snag gets in does not in an aggressive deck.
>>44877281
ohhh my gooooodddddd every autist on mtgo right now is playing Affinity.
>>44877358
how expensive is it to get into MTGO if you're a poorfag looking to playpaupermodern?
>>44877371
Not very, most decks are half their paper prices more or less but there are quite a few instances where certain cards are more expensive online than they are offline.
>>44877371
I automatically assumed that spoiler was modern, let me re-word and say that Pauper is virtually free if you're not playing T1.
>>44877371
Something related to normal modern*
I'm bad at wording today. Leave me alone.
>>44876414
Infect is tier 2 in Legacy, senpai.
>>44877157
>no cavern of souls
Dude...
Modern General protips:
filter the tranny
filter "EDH" and "Standard"
nettle sentinel is an owl perched on a branch
>>44877371
>Pauper memedern
Just play NORMAL pauper. It's better than memedern
>>44876334
That card is fucking bullshit. Eldrazi ate ruining modern now even more than they did the first time
>>44876334
>tfw pull 2 in midnight prerelease out of my 4 ogw packs along with a thought-knot seer
>tfw opponent had to burn 4 cards to get rid of it
>mfw top deck my second one the turn after
>>44875051
>Is Ad Nauseam still a meme?
It hasn't been since they started using spoils of the vault over peer through depths. Only gets stronger with the banning because jund and junk will vanish.
>>44875073
>37 dollars
God it's back to its old price
5-0 in league with mardu midrange lel
>>44878222
List?
>>44877942
>spoils over peer
Is it worth it? I mean this seriously. Don't you have to burn an Angel's Grace to be safe? What happens if you hit Lightning Storm?
>>44877519
It's a pretty solid tier2 deck. Great matchups against combo, alright against shardless. It's about 50/50 against Grub Delver.
>>44878540
Spoils is always worth it. You just run two lightning storms and you're fine. If you end up having a really shitty spoils and exile like half of your deck and hit too many lands/spirit guides then you weren't going to win anyway.
Memedrazi seems like a horrible matchup for Ad Nauseam though. They run discard and can process our lotus blooms.
>>44878612
I run 1 Conjurer's Bauble in the main; it's been clutch many times when I draw Storm and they Thoughtseize it. If I dump the Peer (I can't remember how many I run) should I add 1 Storm and 2-3 Spoils?
>>44878246
deck tk/7TYL2Hxi
If I recall this is what the list is
Played against infect, Bogles, burnx2 and bw eldrazi
>>44877157
Don't you have some rallies to attend woo?
Is Twin viable with Kiki Jiki? What changes to the deck have to be made in addition?
>>44878911
No, it's way too vulnerable to removal. Even the grixis goryo Kiki deck is just straight trash
>>44878835
Might wanna post a link that works.
>>44878701
You should run the spoils version, or at least try it. It is so much better and more consistent.
>>44878989
>being this incompetent
you replace the space with a dot anon.
Will Hatebears become tier 2 now?
>>44879065
>not adding the link as is thinking he'll get banned
Your responsibility, anon. Also, that's just current jund with G and W switched. Not very original and goyf just seems like a better option.
>>44878911
American Gifts may be a fun alternative. If an opponent taps out you Gifts EoT and reanimate Kiki-Jiki on Turn 5.
Really it just means your surprise win is slower and isn't as compact. Viable at T2, but no longer T1
>>44877942
What about Plunge into Darkness? Seems a bit safer, although it's more expensive.
>>44878959
>>44879212
Damn. The funny thing is I don't even own the deck I just really was intent on building it because I love the Izzet from Ravnica and the deck fit that perfectly. I have a lot of pieces but thankfully the pieces I have bought slot into scapeshift more then Twin (I have a set of Mistys but no Tarns). I guess it's time to let Twin rest or maybe see how the diehard Twin players have altered it for the Pro Tour and at my LGS. I'll talk to the numerous Twin players this Friday and see what changes they've made.
Hi anons
I wanna enter into modern, but I only have around 180$ to build something. Is there aanything semi-competitive i can build with that budget?
>>44879515
Keep saving and buy into burn. Imo senpai
It filters as spam
Also lel >original
We're not trying to be special snowflake but just do variants in working strats
Also this deck handles burn better, while also destroying Jund. Also probably has a better affinity matchup than Abzan due to kolaghans command. Likely does better than Jund versus infect as well due to lingering souls
The topdeck game is strong with abbot
>>44879235
Bad in ad nauseam because you have to pay life as opposed to losing it. Plus there is the risk of over or under drawing with that card and it costs more.
Legion loyalist in dredgevine: yea or nay?
>>44879546
How uch do I need for burn?
Whats the best list right now for the memedrazi deck? and is there a primer?
>>44879888
Nobody knows what the good deck list is desu
>>44879888
Give it a few more months. Still in development phase
>>44879794
About 500 if you don't buy Tarns (don't buy tarns)
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-naya-burn-21367#paper
>>44879724
not sure if worth senpai, you might end up milling it
>>44879953
>>44880111
I mean whats the current go to
>>44879888
wait the till pro tour, but buy your eyes,urborgs,and ulamangs already.
>>44880148
Look on mtgtop8 or mtgdecks. Everything is a variant
What do you guys think?
>>44880192
Maybe run a one of Mystic Gate so you can cast your double U or W spells easier.
>>44880192
Change brimaz for more vendillion imo.
And i would put at least 3 cryptic.
>>44880192
How does this deck beat burn, zoo, infect or affinity without sphinx's rev?
>>44875484
You better not burn your money on those right now, Anon.
>burn
>getit?
>scalding tarns arrive
>twin is dead
>>44880283
Not that guy, but more V-Clique leads to even worse blowouts from Pyroclasm, and Cryptic can be kind of harsh with a 3-color manabase that's not centered on blue.
Try again.
>>44880642
>have scalding tarns
>sell them and buy into Burn OR
>sell them and buy into Infect OR
>sell them and buy into Tron OR
>sell them and buy into Affinity OR
>any other mom BGx deck
>>44880775
Isn't there a realistic chance any one of those decks will receive a ban in the name of "diversifying" the meta?
>>44880543
>4 helix
>4 path
>4 bolt
Gee I wonder
>>44880798
Tron is next on the list. Affinity and infect are safe.
>>44880885
>the joke
>your head
>>44880896
>implying a deck that plays as intended to will get banned
Urza lands were designed to work this way, anon. Twin and bloom were not designed for combo bullshit.
>pic related; masterrace deck
>>44881026
It's gonna get banned next year.
>>44880976
>haha I was PRETENDING to be an idiot
>>44880979
Why was cloud post banned then?
>>44880259
Yeah I might do that. I don't really have any trouble casting the double U and W cards at the moment though.
>>44881093
>not beating all of those matchups by casting sphinx's rev for 17
get a load of this fag
>>44880896
>It has come to our attention that in the wake of the Splinter Twin ban several consistent, fast aggro decks that capitalize on unfair synergies have risen to prominence. These decks provide a strong game against fair decks like Tron and Eldrazi. In the interest of maintaining a balanced format where fair decks can thrive, Cranial Plating, Mox Opal, and Glistener Elf are banned.
Affinityfags r8 my affinity build:
Lands (17):
1x Island
4x Blinkmoth Nexus
4x Inkmoth Nexus
4x Darksteel Citadel
3x Glimmervoid
1x Sea Gate Wreckage
Creatures (24):
3x Memnite
1x Frogmite
4x Ornithopter
4x Signal Pest
4x Vault Skirge
4x Arcbound Ravager
2x Master of Etherium
2x Etched Champion
Artifacts (12):
4x Mox Opal
1x Welding Jar
3x Springleaf Drum
4x Cranial Plating
Spells (7):
4x Galvanic Blast
1x Serum Visions
2x Thoughtcast
Sideboard:
1x Tormod's Crypt
1x Welding Jar
1x Dispatch
2x Spell Pierce
2x Thoughtseize
2x Natural State
2x Ancient Grudge
2x Whipflare
1x Spellskite
1x Blood Moon
>>44881026
Does Tron still play O-stone?
My meta they just play pyroclasm, firespout, and all is dust
Nice antiquities lands, 8th and 9th ed suck imo
>>44881026
Nice looking grove you got there. Pretty cool land/10
>>44881041
I hope a piece gets banned but it's hard to say which piece should. Maybe map should get banned, they can still use chromatics + stirring but can no longer get that reliable t3 7 mana.
Idk Trons fine if you play aggro though, god bless burn.
2 bloodmoons, 4 skullcracks in the sb, maybe some attarkas/dpalm/smashs.
If you can stop the wurmcoil's swing you're golden, pyroclasm doesn't hurt too much and Karn is pretty much a Raven's Crime vs it. Another way to stop the wurmcoil's lifegain is to chump block then burn your own creature. If you can stop that +6 life you'll win, if you can't, scoop that shit up because there's no way to race a wurmcoil.
what's the best version of zoo atm?
>>44881152
More like
>in the wake of splinter twin being eliminated from the format, it has come to our attention that one deck aggressively generates mana to power out powerful threats. This deck challenges fair ways of generating mana, and therefore, to preserve the viability of fair cards like the urza lands, we are banning mox opal.
>>44881119
Because people used it for combo bullshit.
>>44875788
I love my legacy dredge deck. 50% of the time it is a turn 1 kill. the other 50% I have 30+ power worth of zombies and ichorids to out swarm any deck on T3.
>>44881287
Naya could still be strong if you sideboard properly, it's got white for leylines/paths, and red for aggro and land destruction and dank green creatures. It loses to combo pretty hard though, since it's not as fast as burn (which puts combo on a very short clock) and the midrange aspect of it fails to tron's midgame. Its not quite a rock or a paper or a scissors, rather it's like a paper-thin rock I guess. Still good but not 'meta'
IMO bantz is better, same beater plan as zoo with a combo to end things on the spot.
>>44881330
I love my Vintage Dredge deck
Once you have Bazaar of Baghdad though, nothing else will do
>>44875439
Bullshit. We (8rack) just lost our best matchup and the new king (tron) is our worst matchup
>>44876435
>>44877281
It's not even scary unless you have epilepsy.
>>44881330
It's probably my favorite deck in Magic
what do i replace the rending volley in my grixis delver sb with?
>>44881330
I think you're talking about vintage dredge, the T1 is pretty tough to assemble in legacy, short of an LED/Breakthrough with dredger's in hand.
>>44881431
breh dont you run smallpox and surgical extraction on the sb?
>>44881480
Yes, I do. RG tron gives very few fucks though.
Get your tooth and nail before they spike hard
Is reanimater a viable thing in modern?
>>44877157
post moar pics of yourself
>>44881504
my breh, i do agree its a bad matchup, but it is very viable deck in the meta, it does very well against any other deck. I am working on a BGx loam pox deck for the infect/tron meta.
>>44881228
O-Stone was important for the twin matchup so they might not in the future.
>>44881544
Grishoalbrand is the closest you're gonna get
>>44881431
8rack question: too poor to afford lilianas, necrogen mists makes an okay replacement, right? don't yall just use for her +1 as it is?
is the B/R eldrazi deck a thing? I remember there being a mono black one but now that there is Kozilek's Return thats more than enough reason to be playing R too
>>44881699
Yeah, mists is pretty good, that's what I'm running. Lili would be better against tron though.
>>44881630
I like to think that maindeck spellskite, SB rending volley and torpor orb were always the better option
>>44881699
well i will admit it is a well budget option, liliana's -2 is very useful against an eldrazi meta.
>>44881544
The problem is that goryo's is like the only good reanimate spell in modern
>>44875051
FISHY fags r8 my FISHY build:
4 AEther Vial
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Cursecatcher
4 Harbinger of the Tides
11 Island
1 Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
4 Lord of Atlantis
4 Master of the Pearl Trident
3 Master of Waves
4 Merrow Reejerey
1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge
4 Mutavault
4 Silvergill Adept
4 Spreading Seas
Sideboard:
1 Blighted Cataract
3 Dismember
1 Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
1 Thassa, God of the Sea
4 Tidebinder Mage
4 Vapor Snag
>>44881762
>>44881747
fair enough, I think I'll attempt to MB a bit more removal to try to cover her -2 better.
>>44881732
People are experimenting. BR is alright for land destruction against Tron, but I prefer BG
>>44881732
Black already has flaying tendrils, drown in sorrow and languish, and probably will only sideboard those
koz's return and bolt isnt enough reason to play red
If anything you splash white for the flicker eldrazi and PtE
How much did you guys spend assembling your last deck, and what was it?
Hey bros, quick question:
If I Path a Reality Smasher and I have a Loxdon Smiter in my hands, can I chuck down the Smiter for free when I try to discard it?
>>44881858
Yeah
>>44881851
more than i want to think about. it was twin.
>>44881630
It kills blood moon and spreading seas as well as creatures, I'd say it's an easy keep to be sideboarded out in some matchups
How's this list look before I buy in, senpai and senpai-ettes?
>>44881858
>>44881884
You're not gonna have Path by the time Smasher comes out though
>>44881851
about $700 for a monoblue control
>>44881822
go creatureless, run 4 smallpox main and 3 dismember (assuming you can't afford the ensnaring bridges) . make sure to run atleast 25
>>44881533
I don't know about that, but the deck is legit
>>44881786
Best part of owning of MDN Merfolk and Vintage Grixis Thieves. I have the option of playing legacy merfolk because I own 4 True Names.
>BTW:
LGC Merfolk are doing badly because of the high rates of Storm, and Miracles.
Miracles (Counter on 2 + Terminus) = Bad Games
Storm (T1/T2 kills through the only permission FoW. Even chalices are not enough to make the matchup better).
BACK TO MODERN:
I LOVE MY FISHES IS A MODERN FORMAT THAT IS LACKING A SOLID HAY MAKER AGAINST THEM.
>>44881851
Around $70, I already had most every card lying around and I just needed to buy a few fetchlands plus a few other random cardsRG Scapeshift
>>44881929
25 land for the smallpox 1 dakmor salvage atleast
>>44881851
Dropped $1000 on Merfolk
Dropped $3000 on Vintage Grixis Thieves (Power)
Dropped $0 to complete grixis delver. I have been accumulating / piecing into a grixis delver for 2 years
>>44881884
Noice, thanks.
>>44881913
How come?
>>44882003
Because TKS will be coming down before it typically
>>44881929
alright, thanks. I see a lot of budget lists running pack rat but it seems way too slow. I'm thinking about having 2-3 Nyxathid in the SB, in the hopes that they swap out any removal after game one
>>44882044
Pack Rat is amazing dude
>>44881901
I dont really like this list
Thought-knot seer and reality smasher are auto-includes
Blightherder is bad, and conduit of ruin is better than oblivion sower
>>44882044
>pack rat
>too slow
Son...
>>44882068
You don't really want TKS and Smasher in a processor build. They go in a different type of deck
>>44882068
So then link a list.
>>44882044
i have played 8rack for a year straight, first build was 35$ and built up to the complete version. For budget version i dont recommend pack rats because you do need sac and play smallpox aggresively on turn two. When you have the complete full built list i recommend adding packrats and taking out smallpox for lilianas. I still have 4 smallpox in the sideboard where liliana is too slow like burn for example and taking one of their lands is very important.
>>44881851
About 20 bucks on legacy ANT
>>44880192
Can you delay Tron long enough to kill it with GoST? I only see a single tectonic edge.
>>44882058
>>44882073
is it not? I've never played with it but 5 mana and a card to make 2 2/2s seems pretty poor. I get that it picks up steam quickly but still
>>44881826
>not enough reason
but return is 2R instant speed sweeper that most likely will trigger twice.
>>44881825
what do you play with BG?
>>44882135
You don't know how good it is until it's played against you.
Trust me, it's amazing
>>44882135
you can go very aggresive, packrats and nyxathid and ignore smallpox
>>44882135
like it seems like a limited bomb (which I understand it was, wasn't playing during RTR)
>>44882096
thanks a lot! what would you recommend in place of the rats? more discard/removal?
>>44882151
This is what I have at the moment, I posted it before but I made some changes
I've been winning a lot
>>44882179
>>44882154
alright, fair enough. I'll definitely try it out
>>44877294
Can you explain what you mean?
>>44882187
4 smallpox and 3 dismember if you want to go creatureless. If you like creatures 4 pack rats and 3 nyxathid. All these cards are very cheap so im pretty sure you can test choose one choice over the other after testing.
>>44882089
post moar pics of yourself
>>44879235
Plunge is way better in that deaths shadow deck
>>44882117
It's a midrange deck. So Tron's a pretty awful match up anyway.
tec edge or ghost quarter?
>>44881851
G/w hatebears
$400 initially(the kibler 2013 list)but I have two binders of green and white staples/sideboard cards that I brought over the 4 years playing that deck. It's the only deck I enjoy playing.
>>44882624
Ghost Quarter is superior to Tectonic Edge
Ghost Quarter:
+Pop Anytime
+They receive a basic land (if you hit tron with multiple Ghost Quarters they get time walked)
+Super Useful
Tectonic Edge:
-Requires opponent to have four or more lands (remember modern is a T4 format)
>>44882624
Always Ghost Quarter.
>>44881851
Around $600 on tooth and nail
>>44882218
T2 Thought-Knot Seer is brutal anyway you slice it.
>>44882750
It sure is.
I'm looking forward to seeing what people come up with
>>44875051
Now that modern has sol lands:
I can imagine a MUD list:
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Lodestone Golem
4 Expedition Map
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Mox Opal ("free" mana"
# Sol Lands
# Tron Lands
Can this community help me finish this deck concept?
So I told the ANL player to spoils a card not in his deck. he actually did it the absolute madman hahahahahahahha
>>44882853
Sol lands that only work for Eldrazi though
>>44882708
Them receiving a basic land is a negative not a positive, but yeah I agree
>>44882880
Are there sol ring effects in modern to make the deck viable? Then again T3 going tron + Mox Opal into double lodestone golem (Legacy MUD esque).
>>44882916
Most people with exception to burn, and merfolk run only 2-4 basic lands.
If they fetch out [OR] play T1 basic then they are essentially down to 1-3.
>>44881851
About $500 on Legacy Leylines
>>44875647
>$55
I swear I got mine for like $32 total or something.
But this was... I want to say before Deathrite Shaman was a card? It was definitely a few years ago so of course I got mine at a good price. Burn back then was not quite the shit stomper it is now.
>>44881851
About $80 and it was Mono-Blue tron. Still need Chalice of the Void, but besides that it is done.
Everyone talks about these eldrazi decks but I never see any lists linked. Whats the win condition even?
>buy into mono-green infect (first modern deck), pick up everything but inkmoths for ~$50
>do reasonably well, put off buying a playset
>consider picking them up, they're gone up $10
I don't have the cash to grab a playset now, but they're only going up unless WotC goes back to Phyrexian shit, RIP.
>>44883011
80? Does your list contain oboro, ugin and urborg (the later for dismember and sunderino shenanigans)
>>44883111
Big fucking creatures hitting your opponent in the face
Processor lists run Ulamog as a finisher
>>44883114
You assume they would include Inkmoth Nexus in that Return set. Don't bet on that. Ever.
>>44882875
underrated post
>>44883122
Yup, opened 1 Ugin at pre-release and traded for another. Urborg had some from 2015 or whenever it was reprinted and Oboro is cheap or was when i got it. The most expensive thing were the Wurmcoil engines and O-stones.
>>44880798
BGx is pretty safe, there's nothing dominant about it and blows ass in the new meta
>>44883129
When I see the deck in action it seems like Ulamog is rather redundant in the deck. Often Blight Herders or Sowers will have taken over the game by themselves, and UB lists also have Drowner to keep potential blockers away.
>>44883331
That's why the future is tempo lists with Smasher and TKS as win conditions
>>44883111
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck_search_result.asp?Format=Modern
Just look for eldrazi in the name.
>Whats the win condition even?
Usually pounding face with fatties pumped out quickly thanks to processing or RotE lands. Oblivion Sower in tandem with the eye of ugin and eldrazi temple help ramp up for newlamog as well. Once oath drops, I can see a lot of decks not even bothering with ramping with oblivion sower and instead gain tons of value from thought-knot seer, reality smasher and eldrazi mimic and the like.
>>44880896
Affinity, Infect and Burn are only safe because they take up the same niche in the meta as aggro decks, meaning that the meta is already diverse as far as Wizards are concerned because more than one aggro deck is viable.
Hopefully they learned their lesson after banning Nacatl though, that when just one type of aggro deck is played it might be because its the only aggro deck that can deal with the other decks in the format.
>>44883111
YouTube Member: Crafting and Scheming
He is going to best friend for all things UB (and BUG) Eldrazi.
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>Well Gentleman Predictions:
>Merfolk (paper) up from 5% to 7%
>Grixis Twin (paper) becomes Grixis Control
>UR Twin (paper) becomes UWR Twin
>UWR (USA) Twin with Kiki and Resto
>UW Control sees more play.
>UWR (Jeskai, USA) sees more play
>Naya Zoo sees more play
>Abzan is the biggest loser of all the decks.
>Good Night Sweet Prince (Abzan)
>>44882293
thanks a lot, made this real quick:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/19-01-16-lOG-budget-8-rack/
any opinions on liliana's caress? i see a lot of budget lists running it but i don't know what would be cut for it
>>44883551
broken link, make it public famiglia
>>44883569
whoops, fixed
>>44883637
why on earth are you not running duress
>>44883254
Nice meeting a fellow Utron player :)
If you fell like it, join our discussion at mtgsalvation in the well oiled machine thread dedicated to Utron
>>44880979
You're almost right. Splinter twin was designed to be a combo piece. It was released in the block just prior to Scars of Mirrodin. You know, the block Deceiver Exarch was printed in. They were fully aware of the interaction between the two.
>>44883678
forgot about it desu, cut the victim of nights, a funeral charm, and a wrench mind for 4x duress
>>44883551
liliana's caress is only good if you have it in your opening hand, it becomes useless in top deck mode.
Consider Waste Not in its place, which would give you more value if you have it early
>>44883765
necrogen mists is bad
So I guess this is the best place to ask. What was Wizards thinking/smoking when they made Wurmcoil? "Every color gets a ticket to value town"?
>>44881228
You might reconsider if they weren't commonly white border.
>>44883839
Its 6 mana no ETB
>>44875076
UWr control is legit.
[Check] Resto your wall of omens in long grindy games
[Check] Resto your snap and counter / draw / remand
[Check] Bolt / Lightning Helix + Snap + Bolt / Lightning Helix is a real thing
[Check] Beats other control decks
Negative:
Pilot heavy deck. Bad pilot equals bad losses.
>>44883767
thanks, I've seen waste not in my friend's Nekusar deck, never seen it outside of commander; I'll check it out
>>44883778
what would you recommend instead? (other than lily)
>>44883839
That was the point. Every color gets to slam a 6/6 for 6 with added abilities and the ability to 2-1 your opponents removal.
>You should be happy they did not make roast >do 6 damage instead of 5.
>>44883881
Not to mention you get to sphinx's rev for 15. Also, main board board wipes.
>>44883952
And then after you discard down to 7 cards in hand you can elixir of immortality and make sure you play all the cards you want. The best part your deck becomes all action and no fluff (lands).
>>44883929
4 Duress
4 Shrieking Affliction
4 The Rack
4 Raven's Crime
4 Wrench Mind
4 Blackmail
3 Dismember
4 Smallpox
2 Funeral Charm
2 Pack Rat
3 Victim of Night
2 Dakmor Salvage
20 Swamp
3 mana is way too much
24 lands is too much
consider cutting a couple of the removal spells for more discard or 1 darkness
>>44881851
Like 100 on Gifts and 50 on Junk
About 200 on twin ;-;
>>44883841
Nope
Ill buy all the chronicles. but i wont touch 8th and 9th
>>44881851
It was a YGO deck. About $50.
>>44883839
Modern didn't exist when Wizards made Wurmcoil. It was actually kinda a second string threat until modern Tron came along.
>>44884011
Yeah, if the top decks become only Tron, all in combos and aggro decks. I think UWR control becomes really good.
Why does everyone run Go for the throat/Doom Blade over Path to Exile in Memedrazi?
>>44876414
What world do you live in?
>>44884091
I think the black version is gonna be faster
If people wanna use white, theyre gonna have to cut lingering souls for eldrazi replacer so they can flicker thought-knot and wasteland strangler
Reminder that not even my RUG Loam meming could withstand these bans and I'm bailing out of the game save for a couple EDH decks and Miracles. Wizards are too erratic and contradictory. They ban a perfectly fine deck out of nowhere, then say things that make no sense about why they did it. Fuck this shit I'm putting more attention on Warmahordes. Maybe find a nice MMO to play.
>>44884024
i've been goldfishing and i'm 50/50 on necrogen, it seems real good with a solid opening hand, but it's otherwise dead weight, and i've definitely been feeling manaflooded - i'll give your list a try, thanks. i've been sitting on a darkness for ages trying to trade it, but i'll throw it in, too
>>44884237
Oh sure, it's faster cos it's black? You racist shitwad.
>>44884237
Flicker Thought-Knot Seer
>That sentence when said aloud sounds dirty.
>Dirty in a good way.
>>44884270
you do realize at some point you are going to need lili, ts, and iok?
>>44884294
The man speaks the truth.
>>44884288
I may even put a few into Death and Taxes. Vial on four feels REALLY bad, but the fact that we already run full sets of Ghost Quarter and a few other utility lands makes me feel better.
Painlands may even be a reasonable inclusion in that sort of build. Get BW for Sculler.
>>44884294
oh yeah, i just don't have the funds now and want to build it in the meantime and gradually pick them up (while waiting for reprints because hey I can dream)
I'm sitting on ~$300 on Pucatrade from flipping '94/'95 bulk, and I imagine I'll be sent Blackmails/Duresses/Funeral Charms well before IoK/TS/Lili
>>44884270
>it seems real good with a solid opening hand, but it's otherwise dead weight
That's because all you're doing is brewing yet another inconsistent combo deck. If you make the deck more consistent and/or faster than existing combo decks, then congratulations, all you've done is speed the format up without addressing the format's absolutely horrendous archetype imbalance.
>>44884429
Lilliana and thoughtsieze are either never getting reprinted or are going to be mythics in a MMalthough I could possibly see sieze being a rare but their rare/mythic bumps are fucking random as hell at times.
>>44884558
if anything Kozilek seems less likely since IIRC MaRo said from now on all Eldrazi-associated cards are going to be devoid
I'm building infect with promos glistener elf and foil pendelhaven/ dryad arbor from the vault.
bling while youAnally fuckyour colorless enemies
