Let's say you have a young daughter:
What /tg/girls would you consider to be positive rolemodels, or at the very least cool ladies, for her?
pic obviously not related
>>44851336
Usarkarina Creedette
>>44851336
None because traditional gaming is a toxic, misogynistic culture full of pissbaby shitlords who hate women.
>>44851336
If I had to choose, and I generally don't think about this kind of stuff...
Elspeth?
I do have a young daughter, but so far she's only taken a shine to fantasy movies. Not sure of any sort of books she might enjoy if I get for her to read.
Oh and she thought a 40k living saint was cool but I don't want her going down that path due to not being made of money.
>>44852454
You can appreciate the universe without buying the models.
Which is honestly what I like to think /tg/ mostly does, what with its eternal bitching about GW and all.
>>44851336
Not too sure, to be honest. There isn't a lot of explicitly /tg/ content which features a significant number of characters of either gender with much personality. And most of those who do have it aren't really good role models period. What am I going to do, show my hypothetical daughter a bunch of Macha threads and be all "this is who you should be like"?
I don't play Wizard Poker, so anything from MtG goes over my head.
To be frank, if I wanted to introduce a young girl to genre fiction characters who are positive role models, I wouldn't be looking to /tg/girls. I'd point her towards characters from other media, like Belle or Princess Leia or Eowynn.
+plays fairly
+nice and kind
+loves games
+does chores
+values her friends
-inappropriate fashion sense
-can't dance
-oblivious
-I think she's unemployed
-hangs out with losers
>>44852624
Yeah, you could do a hell of a lot worse than Eowyn. In the books, a lot of the female characters from LotR and associated lore are actually pretty cool, once they get mentioned beyond "Hobo's girlfriend" or "crazy elf chick".
>>44851336
Joan of Arc from Infinity. Badass with a sword, leading a multi-planet corporation's military forces.
>>44851336
Read her Pratchet.
Plenty of good role models there, male and female.
>>44852682
wow who would have thought a succubus would turn out to be a decent roll model
thats a very good question hm i will think about it
>>44851336
Cato Sicarius
>But Cato Sicarius is not a girl
It doesn't matter, he still succeeds at being the best female role model.
>>44854840
Damn, that's a good answer, can't believe I didn't think of it.
What are you thinking? Weatherwax? Cheery? Angua?
>>44851336
Let's say you have a young son
What /tg/ boys would you consider to be positive role models, or at the very least cool guys, for him?
>>44855702
Jace Beleren
>>44855702
Sicarius, Cato.
>>44851336
Why does my daughter need to look up to a woman? Why can't she aspire to be as good or even better than a man? Why does she have to settle for immitating when she could innovate?
>>44855688
Tiffany aching is definitely on the list... Not Nanny Ogg.
>>44855823
Why are you assuming female role models are inferior to male ones?
>>44855852
Because they're women
>>44855823
Why does my daughter need to look up to a human?
>>44854840
This
>>44854899
Decent only if you want a daughter who just plays games all the time.
>>44855688
any/all of those are good.
What about Esk? She seems the most appropriate for the topic.
>>44851336
Hey hold on, what's wrong with Chandra as a rolemodel?
>>44857473
She's not Liliana
Sisters of Battle
Female scientists. Science is the only thing that continuously achieved sth positive for all humans. Doing science is doing good and there is not enough aknowledgement in society for female scientists.
>>44859886
Female scientists or their equivalent should exist in most Pen&Paper RPGs btw.
Unfortunately as my wife believes Konrad Curze was an unappreciated genius who did nothing wrong, I suspect the daughter I haven't had yet will probably grow up to be a serial killer.
>>44860042
How is it possible to be that disillusioned?Does she vote NDP?
>>44851937
Best answer right here. Helps people, kills monsters, and doesn't afraid of anything.
Also best Neo Planeswalker.
>>44859642
You mean the crazy cunts that lose all the fucking time?
>>44860057
American, so NDP isn't on the menu.
She and I are just... psychologically unusual....
>>44856121
>Decent only if you want a daughter who just plays games all the time.
>>44855819
Get off the interwarp Sicarius.
>>44861835
Would you like a ca/tg/irl daughter?
>>44851336
>What /tg/girls would you consider to be positive rolemodels, or at the very least cool ladies, for her?
Are there any submissive housewives who love their families? Cause that would be the one I would choose.
>>44863727
Uhhh, yes? Was that not clear?
>>44855688
Angua and Polly Perks. A Tiffany Aching is fine too.
Sarah Gizka.
>>44851336
That's the problem with the industry. I have a hard enough time just finding women I can identify with other than a few descent characters like Dezra the Vile. Good luck finding a nice clean girl for your daughter. All anyone knows how to make are hyper sexualized/violent women, especially villains. Otherwise they're at the opposite end of the spectrum and puritanical ultra submissive Disney princesses.
>>44855793
might work
>>44855823
because young children learn best from role models of there own gender
you need to spread it around a little but still
>>44857473
shes a batshit crazy pyromancer who looks up to god dam jaya balard
>>44859642
do you want your child to be a religious nut.
>>44851336
none.
>using /tg/ as a role model for any child
It's wholly unrealistic. You got all of human history to give her a role model and you pick some nonexistent murderharlot? Nah.
>>44851712
tumbler please go
>>44868842
>Replying to day old bait
>>44854899
She has puffy tits that look kind of like dinner rolls. You wouldn't be likely to mistake her for a roll, but I'm sure she could model various bread items with sufficient body paint.
>>44851336
Someone from L5R maybe. Not really role models, but at least it has some women who have their own merits besides "I'm strong despite being a women!" and aren't sexualized
>>44851336
>Kids need fictional role models to look up to and act like
>Characters can't just be characters
This is silly, you're silly.
>>44859194
That bitch is a thief on top of everything else
>>44871473
Angels are cunts, stealing from them is a good thing
>>44870194
i chuckled
>>44851336
Elspeth or Narset.
For a boy I would say Gideon, but is obvious that every kid who plays mtg loves Jace, that's why he's in everything.
>>44861835
At least she wouldn't be out having sex with people!
>>44855841
why not the ogg? just dont explain the special pudding parts...
also, Von Lipwig's GF/walking smoke producer
>Kawaii angel daughter
Arla's angels are devout to the cause, and I'd rather have someone who believes in something than a child that doesn't care about anything.
>>44851336
From traditional games per se? Erm... Most cygnar and llalese female casters like Mjr. Haley or Ashlynn d'Elyse.
From fictional fantasy/sci-fi universes, on the other hand:
Hermione from Harry Potter
Ewilan from Ewwilan's Quest (very good fantasy book for teens)
Laureline from Valerian and Laureline (the comic, not the cartoon)
Podkayne from Podkayne of Mars (might want to use the revised ending, though)Susan Calvin from the Robots cycle
>>44874672
>Ewilan
Hol up fampai, I remember Ewilan being kind of a bitch and Salim being maximum bro-tier.
Ellana is the role model strong womyn who don't need no bestswordsmanoftheempire
>>44874764
I think Ewilan might be a better model for a young girl since she's a teen and not a mature woman like Ellana. Probably easier to identify with.
Or you can have young Ellana in the Marchombre books, but those are a bit inferior to the original cycle IMO.
Nonetheless, there is no doubt that Salim is the broest of bros.
>>44851336
Honestly Liliana. I'd want my daughter to know that she, as a woman, has strengths and weaknesses to her gender, and she has certain persuasive abilities unique to her sex. Lili is a manipulative, cold bitch who's obviously comfortable in her own skin and that's what I want my daughter to be. Compassion for other people will kinda have to be taught.
>>44876382
Would you really like for your little girl to get skanky tattoos and sleep with dipshits on the tier of Jace?
>>44876382
You are a monster and your daughter would end up a better person than you even if you succeeded.
>>44851336
My wife, because real people should be role models not fictional characters in fictional situations.
>>44876382
>>44877116
Friend from high school recently knocked up his girlfriend and they named their kid after this character.
I didn't think much of it because I know nothing about Magic but seeing how everyone here sees Liliana as some kind of powerslut it seems like a really odd choice.
>>44880220
Liliana is a nice name though.
>>44860042
He wasn't a genius and he did do some wrong, but overall he wasn't that bad. /tg/ and pretty much the whole Internet nowadays hates edge/edgy (which I feel is a misnomer) but I honestly like the "edgy" character sometimes, especially curze.
>>44867229
Do you not?
More accurately, do you want her to be wrong?
If fantasy/sci-fi is on the table, I'd suggest Hester Shaw from pic related.
Like she's morally conflicted and can be a pretty massive jackass at times but she's one of the few female protagonists in YA SF/Fantasy who's unambiguously ugly (due to scarring but still).
Goes to show that beauty isn't required to get shit done and all that
>>44855793
>>44867171
Kill yourselves
>>44882372
But Hester is a self-admitted horrible person.
She kicks ass, but she is by no means a moral authority.
>>44854840
>you will never have a qt3.14 daughteru to read "Where's My Cow" to
>>44855793
>>44867171
>>44882874
Jace is only a snarky asshole in flavortext. In all other flavor, he's a robot who decided to live on Ravnica mostly because it has coffee and is relatively comfortable compared to, say, Grixis
They made a card out of his basement-dwelling for God's sakes.
>>44863727
do you not want you children to be like you? to share interests and learn and grow together?
are you one of those weirdos who wants their daughter to grow up to be your perfect fantasy girl that you secretly want to fuck?
Sophie from Howl's Moving Castle maybe? Been a while since I read it, but I remember my sister really liked her.
>>44874340
heh
>>44883370
i have never read the other jace stuff outside of his origins origin but yeah your right his flavor text really makes him out to be an arsehole more then any other parts of the story
>>44851336
That implies that we would have to have had sex first. There's suspension of disbelief and then there's ridiculous.
