Reprints of staples literally never edition
New thread here
Old thread there >>44654962
>>44664354
Kitchen table & Limited > Rest
>>44664354
I'm sad I can't get more Inquisitions at Sylvan Scrying prices, but these things happen. I already own my set so not the end of the world.
What I am genuinely angry about is the lack of Scapeshift in the whole BFZ block and MM2015. It makes so much sense.
Honestly MM2015 was fucking awful. Easily could have slotted in Inquisition of Kozilek at uncommon (literally Kozilek is in that shit set), Scapeshift at rare, Grove/Canopy at rare, Linvala/Thrun/Azusa at rare, Urza Tron at uncommon... would have been nice to have some candy like in MM2013.
>>44664354
Need MM3 ASAP.
Too much shit was bought out since last year.
>>44664724
We are probably getting MD2 before MM3. And it's probably going to stink.
What can I do as Merfolk against living end?
Do I just constantly side in a bunch of counters/dispell to stop cascade and leave mana up?
Also I got blown up against infect. Im not familiar with that deck at all, so I wasn't surprised. Seemed like I couldn't do much except race (which I had bad hands for after 0 land mulligan)
>>44664745
Hello Magic Community!
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>Lightning Bolt
>Mogg Fanatic
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This deck should drive the prices down a bit and allow for modern to become more accessible.
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>>44664798
11/10 too realistic made me cry
>>44664798
Honesty it would sell if it featured two Goblin Guides like the Mirrodin Besieged event deck back then. That event deck was solid.
>>44664798
>only includes 3 bolts
>>44664798
>only 3 bolts
>every single burn spell with "chandra" in the name
>new super awesome finisher Fall of the Titans :^)
>>44665067
>>new super awesome finisher Fall of the Titans :^)
>"It combos with Stuffy Doll to kill your opponent suddenly!"
>"Tell your friends! See what new damage combos you can create!"
>Lead Designer: Mark Nosewater
>>44664771
in case you don't know, don't counter the cascade spell, counter the living end he cascades into. cascade lets you cast the revealed spell. any kind of grave hate just shits on living end really bad. bring in relics from the side. chalice of the void on 0 also fucks living end.
>>44664354
Speaking of Collected Company the 1st place winner at my LGS modern tournament last night was rocking elves. Pretty large tournament about 32 people. I got 8th place.
I was honestly surprised how good his deck was. Probably the best budget competitive deck out there. Of course pyroclasm fucks it and tokens so I may start rocking two of those sideboard.
>>44665172
I did not know to counter living end instead of cascade. Thanks!
>>44664771
It felt pretty bad to lose to it, because it felt like a really gimmicky deck that I wasn't prepared for. Next time I will be. Thanks again
>>44665210
How can elves place 1st place? They literally lose as soon as you drop a boardwipe.
>>44665246
I have no idea. We have a really competitive meta. I beat twin twice and one twin was foiled out with tarmogoyfs,and expedition fetches.
There's all sorts of tier 1 decks which is why I was surprised he wasn't blown out.
I guess no one had a board wipe sideboard which is probably what I'm going to put in and take out a small amount of affinity hate because honestly I hate the idea of losing to Elves.
>>44665246
>Boardwipes in Modern
>>44665292
Pyroclasm, Anger of the Gods, Wrath of God, Damnation. There's plenty. I know spot removal is popular but there's good reason to slap some board wipe in your sideboard whether it's burn, affinity, elves or tokens.
>>44665292
>>44665290
Does no one play pyroclasm, at least in their sideboard? I mean its so useful, recks elves and bw tokens, helps against affinity and to some degree even against burn
>>44665314
I've only ever seen Pyroclasm in Tron, thats it.
Maybe its because Burn and Elves are almost nonexistent in my area.
>>44665292
Yes? There is ton in form of sulfuric vortex and pyroclasm. Some people even play supreme verdict.
>>44665316
>>44665316
Honestly I may just throw in anger, the one extra mana sucks but the three damage and exile is great.
>>44665332
>>44665316
>>44665314
From what I've seen at my local meta:
>Pyroclasm
4-of in Tron, otherwise rarely seen
>Anger of the Gods
Rarely seen in sideboards
>Wrath of God
Non-existent outside of UW Tron
>Damnation
kek
>Sulfuric Vortex
thats not a boardwipe anon
>>44665396
Also Supreme Verdict is nonexistant aside from UW Control and UW Tron
>>44665332
Vortex isn't even modern legal
>>44665396
Twin runs 1-2 wipes sideboard usually, amulet bloom too, and several local lists ive seen have 1 or 2 pyroclasms if they run red
>>44665396
>>Anger of the Gods
>Rarely seen in sideboards
It's like you haven't ever played against UR Twin. Let me guess: you think they don't run it (or shouldn't run it) because they are a pure combo deck that always manages to find T3 Exarch T4 Twin.
>>44665480
Like half the meta here is UR Twin. I've never seen a boardwipe from them and I play Burn.
So can someone help with the math here? I have one fetch in my hand, and one serum visions. Im on the play. The rest is random cards I dont care about.
I run 26 lands. So I fetch, and in my deck are 24 left. What are the chances that I have a landdrop for my second round, considering I serum visions turn 1 and scry away everything that isnt land.
>>44665463
Sulfuric vortex was slip of mind. Was thinking anger of the gods, just saw vortex in mind's eye since the mana cost.
The point is, there is quite a few wipes in modern. Supreme verdict often seen on Jeskai control type of builds, which is not to say it's too common to play against tho. How about whipflare? Oblivion stone? Damnation? Volcanic fallout? Engineered explosives?
>>44665510
That seems like a lot of lands.
>>44664410
Limited is trash except for cube which isn't really even limited.
>>44665559
Maybe it were 24 lands, so 22 lands with the fetching.
>>44665510
Kind of need to know how many lands you have in hand after fetch, because the % will be different.
Assuming fetch is the only land in hand:
53 card library. 25 lands in library.
fetch
52 card library. 24 lands in library.
Serum Visions (assuming didn't draw land)
50 unknown cards in library (2 non-lands on bottom). 24 lands in library
2nd Turn: 24/50 = 48% chance to draw a land
of course this will change depending on whether you have other lands in hand, whether you scry land or draw land with Serum, etc.
>>44665510
assuming you kept 7, 53 cards in library. fetch and now there's 52. serum vision, draw and scry 2 away, effectively 49 left
24/49 = .489
just barely under 50% chance. how do you like coin flips?
>>44665571
You don't have other lands in the hand. And yep, thats the point, I want to know the overall chance to get a landdrop, combining the draw, scrying and possible draw the second round
>>44665581
Yeah thats not the hard part, luckily im not that bad at math (yet). I have trouble getting the overall chance, of draw, scry 2 and second draw
>>44665581
This is right.
I >>44665571 forgot about draw from Serum
>>44665510
>tries to min/max his plays
>does so to redicilious arbitrary situations
>prolly shouldve just mulliganed his hand
Stop trying to be Frank Karsten?
>>44665528
>Oblivion stone
Obvious Tron staple
>whipflare
I guess that Affinity would use this?
>Damnation
once again, kek
>Volcanic fallout
nah
>Engineered explosives
Actually see this in Twin decks
>>44665510
>60 card deck
>draw 7 assuming no mulligan and one land hand
>assume turn 1 (on play or draw will change this)
>on play: 53 draw:52
>fetch: (p:52/d:51) 24 lands left
>serum: draw (51/50) scry 2 (assuming both arent lands): (49/48)
>turn 2: 24/49 (just under 50% on play) and 24/48 (50%) on draw
>>44665603
That was my friend who mulliganed the hand, it just interests me what the possible chance of a second landdrop would have been
>UW tron
>>44665491
I run it in my UR Twin. It's popular at my LGS
>>44665597
well, after you fetch, there's 52 cards and 24 lands. assuming the lands are perfectly distributed through the deck there would be one land every 2.17 cards, but we know there's no such thing as perfect distribtion. digging 4 total with serum + next turn draw is very likely to see at least one land.
>>44665597
I think what you really want to look at is the % that you Serum Visions and DON'T find a land drop to draw/scry:
(after fetch)
52 card library. 24 lands in library.
Serum Visions:
Draw: 53% chance you don't find land
51 card library: 24 lands in library
Scry 2:
1st card: 52% chance you don't find land
50 card library: 24 lands in library
2nd card: 52% chance you don't find land
They chances of not finding a land through the draw and scry is: 0.53 * 0.52 * 0.52 = 14.3%
So you have good odds.
>>44664410
As an ex-limited main guy I have to say that draft has been ass the last few sets.
The last acceptable or good set to draft was KTKx3 and maybe KTK-KTK-Fate. I just cube these days.
What's your favorite guild /tg/? The one you feel most in line with
>>44665666
Thank you!
>>44665701
I want to bully dimir
>>44665701
Boros
>"I-i-its not like I wanted to play Aggro or anything, baka!"
>>44665701
Any combination of Jeskai. Azorius is my go-to, but Izzet and Boros are great too. Based on the girls I'd take Boros tho
>>44665701
Orzhov
>>44665701
Favorite is Izzet and probably most in line with it too. Gruuls pretty hot though.
>>44665701
Golgari
Even if dredge wasn't my favorite mechanic/deck it would still be BG even if Green is my least favorite color.
>>44665701
dimir
>>44665733
don't bully dimir
>>44665701
golgari a cute.
>>44665701
Is dimir flat?
If so her.
Gruul, azorius and selesnya a cute too.
>>44665811
>don't bully dimir
It's not violence when there is love!
>>44665701
Rakdos!
>>44665701
Gruul or Rakdos.
Lantern Control player hereon paper
Come at me
>>44665811
i bet she's shy and insecure and that's why she hides under those robes while claiming it's because it's mysterious. I just want to bully her relentlessly while she fights back with mill that does nothing because mill sucks until she cries.
would tease azorius too.
>>44665869
Why is that spoilered?
>>44665869
what's your win con? prison lock until concession/table flip/throat punch?
>>44665900
Anyone can try out stuff online, it's next level to actually play it irl.
>>44665701I'd like to convert Izzet, Rakdos, or Dimir into a Selesnya
>>44665914
So shouldn't it be spoilered if it's an online deck to hid the fact you're an online pleb?
On paper is the only way to play competitive magic. The fact that people pay the same amount for fake, digital cards is laughably absurd.
>>44665900
because when its a meme deck, people assume they just run it on MWS/Cockatrice
>>44665909
Pyrite Spellbomb/Academy Ruins loop or Ghirapur Aether Grid. Alternate wincon is milling.
The thing about the draws the deck gets is that your average turns are like 5 seconds once the lock the on. Its the other player that takes fucking forever to squirm and pass the turn
>playing tron against janky sun titan control
>a pile that loses to basically everything except when
>they rip spreading seas twice
>rip ghost quarter twice
>play titan on curve, loop ghost quarter
>path your only wurm
>never see karn
>never see ugin
Sometimes mtg is just pure, distilled suffering.
>>44665701
Azorious first, then Izzet probs
Orzhov is the cutest tho
>>44665603
>>44665571
>>44665581
The close to fifty percent argument only applies to the situation where you didn't find a land with your Serum Visions, i.e., the chance that your fourth card you'll see (you see three with the visions), is a land, given that you didn't see a land with the Visions. Obviously this will be close to 50% because the proportion of lands in your deck is close to 50% (and you only drew one in your opening hand). Calculating this tells you practically nothing.
The chance that you'll have drawn at least one extra land by your second turn is actually a little over 92%. Moreover, the chance that you'll ONLY see one land in all four cards you see is less than 30%.
The problem you're dealing with, is what we call in statistics a hypergeometric experiment, for future reference.
>>44666004
>>44665510
tl;dr, you're looking at more than 90% chance you'll hit your second land drop anon.
Which makes perfect sense if you run 26(!) lands in your deck, jesus.
>>44665701
Simic
>>44665878
>everything you just said
>>44665836
bullying is wrong though
>>44665878
I'd give dimir faeries and counterbully you with discard.
>>44665701
azorius is 2cute
Good lord, new eldrazi are pushed as fuck.
This is going to be a top deck for years, even when it starts stagnating.
>>44659229 http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/08-01-16-hedron-alignment/
>how can i make this actually happen /tg/?
Use more colors.
>is the only way to use more colors?
Yes.
To make Hedron Alignment work you need to find 4 specific cards and move them to different zones as quickly as possible, while also doing control.
You'll also want quick redundant zone movement for when your opponent moves your Hedron Alignments out of your hand or graveyard.
To do things quickly you need to be in color, and different zone movements belong to different colors.
Also mono-colored control isn't very good.
Again, you need to do different types of thing quickly, so you need to be in color for them.
The only passable mono-colored Modern decks I can think of are Budget Burn and Mono-Green Stompy, both of which are worse than similar multicolored decks.
>>44666335
Yep, that's big standard for you
>>44666335
I'm not sure if you are serious. Unless Urza Tron gets banned, Eldrazi is staying high Tier 3 // low Tier 2 forever. The deck is "work fucking hard to make some ok cards work".
>>44666452
You clearly haven't seen the value eldrazi get now. Thought Knot Seer will make all the difference.
>>44664354
Do you know when they anounce the bannings for modern?
>>44666428
Stompy is Fine, U Tron is fine, Affinity is basically a 0 color deck with splashes, Merfolk is T1
>>44666529
January 18th
>>44666529
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=next+modern+banlist+update+
>>44666553
Amulet doesn't get a ban how much will it skyrocket?
>>44666473
Name everything you think slots in the Eldrazi deck in a way that makes the deck a top tier threat.
I mean a deck that can compete with:
>TRON
>UR TWIN
>AFFINITY
(these three decks are the decks to beat right now)
>Naya Burn
>Jund
>Abzan
>Grixis Twin
>Scapeshift
>Infect
>Merfolk
>Abzan Company
>Naya Company
>Grixis
(excluded joke decks like Bogles)
Bonus points if you also provide a reason to play Eldrazi over Tron in this current meta. Different playstyle/fun isn't an argument when playing tiers.
>>44666578
Now it's pretty low, but if it doesn't get the hammer it'll probably climb a little over what it was before.
Maybe it'll climb to around 7euros
>>44666687
>>44666578
Good thing here in europe the prices need a little more time to adjust to the american market, so I can safely get them even after one or two days after the announcement.
#prayforamulet
So I'm building twin as my final modern deck but until I get the snaps and cliques I'm going to sleeve up UR storm as it's like a quarter of the price and I already have tarns the most expensive piece. God I wish Seething Song was unbanned.
Inquisition of Kozi is now a $28 card, isn't that great?
What if the Jews ruining the market are trying to tell us that we need to start brewing again? If we won't pay their prices, we'll have to build something else.
>>44666668
Sure. Also nice almost digits.
I'll just discuss the first three for mow, since eldrazi already has favorable matchups against most of the others you listed.
Affinity will probably still be the toughest. But with how efficient eldrazi aggro is going to become, and how almost all threats eldrazi produce are colorless, the affinity matchup is going to improve. I'd give the slight edge to Affinity still.
Tron:
Tron simply won't be able to keep up. Between eldrazi mimic, thought knot seer, and reality smasher, they're going to have a hard time ever getting up. New Kozilek is really dandy, and will help to control their game state, and post board, I give the edge to Eldrazi, easily.
UR Twin.
Eldrazi already had a favorable matchup here, as most of their removal was useless. It was essentially a race to combo out against very efficient aggro
>>44666792
Brewing would be a lot more encouraged if prices were cheaper.
I needed to acquire UR Twin and Jund completely before I felt comfortable brewing. And even that took years.
>>44666755
WotC has got to get this shit under control, or the counterfeit market will.
And the only way wizards doesn't lose profits is if they're the ones controlling the market.
>>44666815
It's only staples that are expensive. Build without staples. Try hitting Devoted Druid with Become Immense to make GGGGGGGG and doing something dumb with it.
>>44666755
My favorite part if the Karplusan Forest price increase for every editions.
Grove has become so expensive people are looking for the cheap alternative. And so many people are looking for the cheap alternative it makes the price go up.
>>44666755
>tfw had them years ago but cashed out way back when
>tfw got back into things
>tfw decide to avoid online sales and support local
>tfw scour lgs's all over and only manage to find one over the last month
>tfw im now gonna be bent over by scalpers and made their bitch
>tfw same thing happened with Glen Elendra within the time I've been building this deck
I play lantern control too. My win con is glimpse the unthinkable.
>>44666547
>Stompy is Fine
Debatable; but sure, why not.
>U Tron is fine
U Tron is OK, but the multi-colored GR Tron is still better.
>Affinity is basically a 0 color deck with splashes
The point about mono-colored mana bases came up because >>44657824 >>44658744 >>44659229 doesn't want to shell out for a non-budget manabase.
4 Glimmervoids and 4 Inkmoth Nexi are right out.
>Merfolk is T1
Whoops. Merfolk slipped my mind, point conceded.
>>44666755
That is for me, I'm trading some towards an English tabernacle of pendrell vale
That's almost $120
>>44666837
The thing is, this just straight up sucks. If I want to brew, I still want to make something competitive. And if I want to make something competitive, even if its a brew, I still need staples.
The plain UR Twin that Brian Braun Duin top 8'd with at Cincinnati checks out at ~$1446.
Fuck this I'm going playing legacy, it's cheaper.
>>44666809
>Tron simply won't be able to keep up.
I'm sorry but what. Do you speak from experience? From what I have seen, Tron was one of the most bullshit matchup. It's essentially a race to Ulamog and Tron has ways to get there faster and can provide tremendous advantage with Karn/Wurmcoil/Stone. Yes, Ugin is balls but that's it. To be fair, Wasteland Strangler isn't too hot in the matchup either. I do like Reality Smasher's body, but the effect is not relevant in the Tron matchup and it's fairly slow. You still need to get to "five" mana to play it and by that time, Tron might already shit out a wincon to overpower you. Eldrazi Mimic is cute but I'm not entirely convinced it's good enough by itself to justify playing it, and I'm not convinced it's the key to beating Tron.
>>44666996
I'm actually thinking strangler doesn't make the cut post Oath.
A core of Mimic, TKS, and Reality Smasher seems like a fairly nice curve to outrace tron.
Just a reminder to all the tards in this thread: wizards doesn't sell singles
Modern: For the people not quite rich enough to play Legacy but like flaunting their cash at standard poorfags
>>44665701
>boros
takes forever to put out but rewards your patience with loving sex in the missionary position with angel-wing hugs
>selesnyacruel, hardcore femdom
>golgari
just lies there, occasionally asks whether you're done yet
>gruul
doesn't really get it at first but once she's into it she's REALLY into it, also goes into heat
>rakdos
S&M switch, basically up for anything but expect someone bleeding from some orifice at the end
>dimir
never takes the robes off, prostate massage when you least expect it
>izzet
comes up with the weirdest shit and will insist on trying it whether you like it or not
>azorius
NEVER EVER, might be taking gruul dick behind your back
>orzhov
never ever, unless you abstain for several months, eat her out every day and sell your soul to her, then you might get a harshbut lovinghandy J
>simic
willing to try everything you come up with, but never gets really into it
>>44667060
But they sell $10 mma packs and shit standard sets.
>>44665697
>the last acceptable draft environment was literally only 2 expansions ago
What a fucking drama queen Pusey bitch
>>44667079
no, people want to play modern because they want an eternal format that doesn't have a massive entry fee like legacy or vintage.
>>44667060
Because if they did, they might make money.
>>44667169
Modern isn't an eternal format. It also plays out like a really good standard format rather than an eternal format, or even extended
>>44667103
KTK came out a year and a half ago friend.
>>44667202
>a format that has no rotation
>not an eternal format
what
>>44667087
MMA was an attempt to get cards into circulation. They are in control of maintaining prices, but they don't profit off of expensive singles. They profit off of people buying packs. The power level of standard is low right now, but it's a pretty fun limited format
>>44667227
then it's a non-rotating format. it doesn't include many sets and doesn't include supplementary products. therefore it is not eternal.
>>44667227
It's a non-rotating format. Eternal formats are legal back to alpha.
>>44665701
Orzhov, but I wanna fuck that Rakdos
>>44667169
>don't want massive entry fee
>$1000+ for a single top-tier modern deck
u w0t?
>>44667060
They don't need to. All they need to do is make shit sets with a few power cards viable in multiple formats and it drives everyone to buy more packs. They're gonna let a few modern staples skyrocket some more before they make a new MM set and then people will eat that shit no matter what garbage they fluff it up with.
>>44667280
Affinity is 600 bucks
>>44667280
that's the fucking problem everyone is bitching about you daft cunt. goyf shouldn't be $150, LOTV shouldn't be $90, snapcaster shouldn't be $60, scalding tarn shouldn't be $85, etc.
These are all fairly recently printed cards that are only expensive because they are used in a format that was created to have a low price of entry. and since there isn't even any kind of fucking reserve list for any of this shit it is 100% within WOTCs power to increase the supply of these cards and lower the average price of modern decks, but they refuse to because reasons and hoarders will cry.
>>44667280
Except you can easily sink a grand into a legacy deck's mana base alone.
>>44667300
and Amulet bloom is 500.
>>44667317
I think they're just scared shitless of making a high powered standard environment again. They could always release supplemental decks with staples in them, but gotta keep the secondary market nice and lucrative I guess.
>>44667300
http://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=189&meta=51&f=MO
Try 8-900
>>44667321
Just because Legacy is vastly more expensive doesn't mean that Modern isn't expensive.
>>44667317
I'm agreeing with you you "daft cunt."
Also welcome to how capitalism works you fucking retard. Supply and Demand. Theres a low supply of cards and a very high demand. All of those cards you listed are 4-ofs so every single individual person that runs each of those cards in their deck needs 4 of them. There aren't enough cards for every player to get them, so the price goes up.
>>44667358
Yes, Bloom is the least expensive top-tier modern deck right now.
>>44667317
Wizards would rather pander to the crew that's been playing for a decade then tank the value of every single card to entice new people to play
Soon.
>>44667321
I play death and taxes, a mono color deck, and 4 wastelands+4 Ports+3 Karakas is a lot of money.
>>44667404
Doesn't that make up like 80% of the deck's price as well?
>>44667378
apparently you're not agreeing with me you daft cunt, I'm saying that supply & demand of modern staples is firmly within WOTCs grasp rather than something they have no control over.
>>44667387
if the crew wants the game to be rich kids club and tell all the new players to piss off and come back with a stack of benjamins then modern will go the way of legacy and fade into obscurity and die. why does every competitive format besides standard have to suffer the fate of no reprints ever choking it to death?
>>44667378
>Just because Legacy is vastly more expensive doesn't mean that Modern isn't expensive.
It doesn't have legacy's entry fee. I don't see how you interpreted that as modern not being expensive. It's just less expensive than legacy and as years go by less and less people actively played during the pre-mirrodin/8th edition times which means they'd have to buy literally everything rather than just fill holes from an already existing collections.
>>44667435
>Legacy
>Obscure
lol
This fucking guy has no idea what he's talking about.
>>44667435
They have us allied fetchlands last set. If they just reprint ever expensive card its going to be chronicles 2. The reprints just come slowly
>>44665966
>Assigning value to the idea of a card is laughably absurd
>Assigning value to cardboard carrying the idea of a card is not
>>44667426
It used too, but vials are now almost 40 each, and a bunch of other random stuff has spiked a lot.
>>44667465
Most of the people who I played with back in Mirrodin still play today. The older formats are for people who already have the cards, it trickles down fromthe standard cards people have that eventually make decks
>>44667467
I live near dallas, a pretty big fucking place. the last time my shop had a legacy night 12 fucking people showed up. we have 30-40 on modern night. legacy is a dusty forgotten format that most players have moved away from. it's almost as bad as vintage, which exists almost entirely on MTGO.
>>44667387
>would rather pander to the crew that's been playing for a decade
Except that's not what they are doing. They are pandering to the new players. Not the new eternal players, the new standard players. They don't care a whole lot about what happens in the secondary market. Its standard that entices new people to play. Standard contains their most vociferous fans. The secondary market is on its own. About the only thing that might interest Wizards in that area is getting some of that sweet demand money. Hence the MM series. If anyone thinks those MM sets are genuinely meant to assuage demand is fooling themselves. It's to generate hype over the format, more demand, and more cash by extension.
There are always new players and they are easy to please. That's Wizards focus. The old players don't matter because they can take care of themselves. Or leave.
>>44667543
Madness I'm guessing?
I live in Austin, and on a good night we have 12 people show up for legacy. It always fires, but we never get giant crowds.
>>44667543
The legacy community is smaller, but it certainly gets represented. The vintage community is great. Small, but they're all really nice. I'll take that over the abrasive modern crowd.
I've got a modern Grixis Delver deck. Should I just sell it since it's never going to be good again?
>>44665701
Simic, I love my mutant scientist waifu.
>>44667564
They do care more about new players, but with regards to the Eternal formats they understand that mass reprints aren't really want the legacy crowd wants
>>44667610
Modify it into Grixis midrange.
>>44667637
Literally what?
>>44667317
>scalding tarn shouldn't be $85
Hahaha get a load of this nigger he doesn't know Tarns are up to $110 now.
>>44667684
Let me break it down for you: Get rid of delver of secrets and continue playing.
>>44667684
Figuratively what.
To be honest I think most of the blame shouldn't go to MaRo and the design jews but more on the development retards that deem every worthwhile reprinted card "format warping".
>>44667543
>that most players have moved away from
It's more that Legacy has already met its max capacity of players due to many of the formats staples only existing in very limited quantities. If one town gets ten new Legacy players then that means that ten Legacy players in some other part of the world have just sold their cards and most likely quit the format.
Imagine it
The Modern Deckbuilder's Toolkit
>>44667684
ProtipGrixis Control is actually a midrange deck.
>>44667732
NO.
>>44667709
>>44667739
Turning Grixis Delver into Grixis Control costs more than the Delver deck is worth on its own.
>>44667732
>2 Strangleroot Geist
>2 Slippery Bogle
>1 Tasigur
>4 Become Immense
>1 Pyromancer Ascension
>4 Grapeshot
>>44667761
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>44667732
Doesn't make sense as long as cards in it are unplayable. Modern event decks would be a way to go, but for whatever the fucking reason apparently intro packs are more profitable for wizards. (Why the fuck is there intro packs, does new players really buy them or what?)
>>44667761
4x Jace = $260
4x Inquisition of Kozilek = $100
Almost $400 for 8 cards when the whole deck, at best, is like $500.
>>44667730
I have never believed the "limited number" argument. I do not believe that there was a time when every dual land was owned by a player.
>>44667810
Don't forget the tarns bruv.
>>44667832
Eh, don't really need Tarns. Bloodstained Mire and Polluted Delta both get Watery Grave, Steam Vents, and Blood Crypt.
>>44667761
You're not playing this format because it's cheap.
>>44667857
I'm not playing this format at all anymore ;)
>>44667684
What literally?
>>44666938
Good luck finding people to play with cuck
There's a card in the new set, someone posted it in a draft thread yesterday but I forgot to save it
It's I guess a construct creature
2 colorless mana its a 0/1 and you tap him for 1 colorless mana
Does anyone here have the image of him? He's a cute tiny little guy, the image is this little pointy creature the size of a soldiers foot
>>44667912
Legacy is the cheap format, of course people will play it.
>>44667915
>>44667915
retarded tripfag continues being retarded
I've become pretty blind to the prices of many modern staples since I got into the format pretty early. I have damn near everything one needs to make all the tier one decks and a handful of tier two. I didn't even plan it that way. A lot of my collection is from avidly building casual decks modeled after legacy decks I admired but couldn't afford. So I ended up with a ton of shocks and fetches and a glut of cards that just happened to be really good in modern.
>>44667855
Good point.
>>44667947
"I hate it when other people like things that I don't"
>>44667805
Intro packs are made for new players getting into the game. They make a good job of it. They are not meant for experienced players to get their hands on Bobs and Snaps.
This post should not have to be made.
>>44667990
I hate it when people ask something in this thread that can be easily Googled
>>44667943
ROFL SO FUNNY XDDD
>>44667943
Thanks m8!
He's so cute I want 20
>>44667947
Here's your (you) I know you really wanted one
>>44667996
Do the new players buy them? I don't remember any of my friends buying them, when they started. Haven't seen anyone buy them either. Game shops also seem to dump them pretty cheap from time to time too, because nobody is buying them. Any new player would be better off with somewhat playable event deck imo. Also, why did they stop doing interesting duel decks. Instead we have "clash packs" equivalent of "complete and utter shit".
>>44667082
>you will never be Selesnya-chans sex slave
>she will never dominate you , degrade you, treat you cruelly just to get herself off and then lovingly hold you as she tells you how good you did
Is there any reason to go on?
Cockatrice down?
>>44668053
Last clash pack had Rhino, Windswept Heath and Collected Company.
>>44668096
>Using Cuckatrice
>>44668117
I mean it works
>>44668113
And 2 before it had nothing. I'm saying they are boring as all hell.
>>44665701
Selesnya. I'm a tree humping guy.
>>44668174
Use xMage, almost better in every aspect
>>44668117
>cuck
>>44668361
XMage is wayyyy too slow
>>44668400
Maybe you should upgrade your computer then
>>44668361
Not the guy you are responding to, I use cockatrice with my tourneyfag friends because it's overall faster (replicates paper play better).
>>44668415
I mean you can't skip any steps.
It's slower than MODO
>>44664798
>Every card is a single
>Includes every version of Incinerate
>No Guide or Eidolon
>No decklist until after presale season
>Processor cucks thinking they can beat GR Tron
>>44665701
Simic is actually a fish, right?
>>44668526
>to next turn
>skip stack
>>44668526
Ah, so the buttons on the right which you can customize in the menu are just my imagination
>>44668606
It's just one guy. Tron is the ultimate deck to beat right now and Eldrazi can't.
>>44666452
Nigger, Eldrazi beats Tron.
Tron's big play: "Ugin -X", doesnt affect them at all and the deck runs 8 discard spells for O-Stone.
>>44668606
>>44668648
Okay nevermind, there are actually two clowns.
>>44668611 ... that makes a lot of sense.
I think this card is good. Am I crazy/misreading it? It's like less than $1 right now around here.
>>44668659
>he thinks ugin is the big play
Get a load of this guy.
>>44668754
Well, it costs the same as Electrolyze minus the card draw and with the potential to be bigger. Seems good but I think I'd sooner play Electrolyze.
>>44667317
>there isn't even any kind of fucking reserve list for any of this shit
Of course there is, it's called the SCG Buylist.
>>44668754
Incinerated the eldrazi with what? That tiny piss-stream of fire? That's barely enough to tickle Kozileks balls.
>>44668659
Good god. I wish I could play people like you all the time. I'd be the best magic player I'm the world.
I have a box worth of store credit at my LGS. What should I spring for? I can redeem anything from Khans to Oath, or should I wait for Innistrad and see how that looks?
>>44668883
Just go for fetchlands
>>44668819
Planeswalker's fire
>>44668819
>giving a fuck about flavour
>>44668975
And why would that do anything? Ulamog is indestructible, Kozilek is too smart for this shit, and a planeswalker is nothing special to a being that literally walks from plane to plane.
>>44668754
Fireball is a limited bomb, not constructed playable
>>44666452
I don't know, the more I look at it the more I realize just how much it fucks with my gameplan while just doing what it does. Creatures will kill effects on them or token generation gets around grixis's one for one nature really well, not to mention my deck is pretty reliant on graveyard. Hell, I've even cut the number of Gurmags to accomodate, trying out a one of Vendilion Clique in its place.
>>44669217
The sister card is an enchantment that removes indestructible and hexproof.
>>44669239
It's not fireball though. It's a Twin Bolt for 1 more generic mana without Surge, but it's double instant Fireball with it.
>>44668053
The only time I ever bought an Intro Pack was the ROE one with Drana and only because I really wanted my foil waifu, it had 2x Lightning Bolt and the store was out of ROE boosters exept for the ones inside the IPs.
>>44667169
people play modern so they can have decks that they can use forever but actually have people to play against.
I wish Legacy was more popular, hell, a local league started up not too long ago but everybody just lost interest because the player-pool was so small, despite it being proxy friendly, people just didn't care and were happy to stick with modern. Feels bad man.
>>44669427
Its a 3mana forked bolt. Not too good
>>44667401
I can't wait, as if Kommand wasn't good enough already.
>>44669457
Keep on playing and get the word around, our league took a while but it took off
>>44665606
>>Damnation
>once again, kek
Have you ever met a Jund/Junk player? All of the ones I know run at least one in the board, I run mine main board because of the meta
R/G Tron getting its butt kicked in the Charlotte open feature matches.
![Image[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/lJ3rFOG.jpg "Image[1].jpg")
How do I break this card? It's so freaking cool.
I'm thinking gifts ungiven 3-6.
Took that jank-ass UW Emeria list to my FNM last night at went 4-1.
Surprisingly I had a blast. But there's like no resources available for it online, outside of a very old forum post on MTGSalvation with no sideboarding tips. Anybody else run the deck? Thoughts?
I ran pretty close to this, little differences in the sideboard. Also had a Runed Halo main. It was an all star.
1 Swan Song
3 Detention Sphere
3 Supreme Verdict
2 Mortarpod
4 Sun Titan
3 Lone Missionary
4 Wall of Omens
4 Pilgrim's Eye
4 Tectonic Edge
4 Emeria, the Sky Ruin
4 Path to Exile
4 Flickerwisp
1 Negate
2 Court Hussar
4 Hallowed Fountain
2 Aether Spellbomb
2 Flooded Strand
1 Windswept Heath
6 Plains
2 Island
Sideboard
1 Detention Sphere
1 Supreme Verdict
2 Nevermore
2 Stony Silence
2 Dismember
4 Dispel
2 Negate
>>44667610
If you're still here mate post your list, I'm a big fan of Grixis Delver. I'm sure if we put our heads together we can make it semi-viable again.
>>44669591
Jeskai Ascendancy
>>44669591
Doesn't really do the same thing
>>44667543
What shop do you go to? Madness had 22 for Legacy last Saturday. Granted, it's not much, but it's not as small as you make it out to be.
>>44668053
Buying an intro pack how I started to get into the game. Magic was just supposed to tie me over while I painted my miniatures but they're still sitting in a box somewhere so I guess they do their job well enough (though I don't understand why they need to release 5 every fucking set instead of creating more product for all levels)
>>44669248
You are playing Grixis (Midrange), I assume. Ask yourself: would you rather play against Eldrazi or Tron? Hint: Tron is the game over matchup for Grixis.
Just because one deck has a good matchup against you doesn't mean the deck is a top tier threat. It's worse than Tron by a lot.
>Tarmotwin
>Almost $2100
>Miracles
>Almost $2200
Top kek.
>>44668819
Anon, kozi and ula are confirmed dead. BURNED TO DEATH by a fucking Red NEOWALKER
>>44669618
You should run Ghost Quarter instead of Tectonic Edge. It's faster and if you have the ability to recur it you can burn through all the basics some decks run and start strip mining them. Also, why no Restoration Angel? It seems like without Vial it would be better than Flickerwisp.
>>44669743
>somehow these neowalkers do something that 3 premending planeswalkers couldnt
>>44669591
You probably can't.
It's only advantage is that it can pull a variety of situational cards, but allowing it to do that would wreck havoc on your ability to sideboard.
>>44669770
They had the help of Jace, duh.
>>44669721
>Tarmotwin
>same tier as Miracles
Pls. That's like saying Faeries represents the Modern price barrier.
>>44669757
The entire point of the deck is Sun Titan and Emeria.
Flickerwisp is better than Resto Angel
>>44669757
I do have Ghost Quarters, actually. That's not my exact list but its the one I based mine off of.
Sun Titan recurs flickerwisp. Wisp rolls D Spheres over and has interaction with opponents stuff. I think I'll keep wisp over resto.
>>44669854
Normal UR Twin is still over $1400 and climbing.
>>44669870
Then Miracles costs significantly more.
>>44669621
Instant (19)
2x Electrolyze
1x Kolaghan's Command
4x Lightning Bolt
3x Mana Leak
1x Murderous Cut
1x Remand
1x Remand
1x Spell Pierce
1x Spell Snare
3x Thought Scour
1x Vapor Snag
Sorcery (8)
1x Forked Bolt
3x Gitaxian Probe
3x Serum Visions
1x Sleight of Hand
Creature (15)
4x Delver of Secrets
3x Gurmag Angler
2x Snapcaster Mage
3x Tasigur, the Golden Fang
3x Young Pyromancer
Land (18)
1x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodstained Mire
1x Island
1x Island
1x Mountain
3x Polluted Delta
4x Steam Vents
1x Sulfur Falls
1x Swamp
1x Watery Grave
Sideboard
1x Counterflux
2x Dragon's Claw
1x Dragon's Claw
1x Electrickery
2x Flashfreeze
1x Izzet Staticaster
1x Magus of the Moon
1x Negate
1x Rakdos Charm
1x Rending Volley
1x Shattering Spree
2x Vandalblast
Building Lantern Control was the best idea I had in all my years playing this game.
I don't even know where to put all this salt.
>>44669848
Its fucking bad writing that chandra burned to the ground those mighty eldrazi titans. Plus not only one, but two of them.
Hope those bastards dont shit on emrakul.
>>44669890
+50% isn't that big of a deal when Modern staples have gone up 20% in the last week or so. At this rate the price of Twin and Miracles will be very close very soon.
>>44669770
Well, Ugin and the gang probably *could*, but Ugin was certain that it was a terrible idea because, he reasoned, they probably served a very important purpose in maintaining some sort of balance in the multiverse.
>>44669936
If killing Ulamog and Kozilek doesn't fuck planes up something awful, Wizards should just kill themselves.
>>44669915
Mah man.
>>44669713
That's fair, I'm actually playing Grixis Delver which I know is substantially worse but without creeping tarpits and flip jace trying to swap over just doesn't seem like the right thing to do.
>>44669934
There are legacy deck's cheaper then modern deck's. Both formats have become prohibitively expensive.
>>44669988
Legacy hasn't become prohibitively expensive; it was for the longest time. Modern however, in the last year or so, HAS become prohibitively expensive.
>>44669948
The reason peple are mad was because they way they got defeated. Burning them like that sounds lame as hell. God chandra didnt even use ghostfire to kill them.
>>44669999
People have been complaining about the prices in Modern since at least a year after the format was announced.
>>44669999
I mean, compared to when dual lands were $25 it is
