Warhammer Fantasy Role Play General thread, open for all discussion of the Warhammer setting and how it relates to the roleplaying games.
Let's keep it civil. Remember - when it comes to your own games, the right answer is whatever works best for you and your group.
>Previous threads
>>44486159
>>44512852
>>44551291
>I don't have the books for 2nd Ed.
http://khorne.ru/2nd/wfrp_web/
>How does career advancement actually work in 2nd edition?
http://i.imgur.com/8qoQOUl.png
http://i.imgur.com/dOOfPa2.png
http://i.imgur.com/jJN6PT9.jpg
>Maps of the old world?
http://i.imgur.com/COthNjY.jpg
http://www.gitzmansgallery.com/shdmotwow.html
>Good sites for extra resources?
http://www.kalevalahammer.com/p/page4.html
http://www.liberfanatica.net/
http://www.madalfred.com/
http://forum.strike-to-stun.net/
http://www.windsofchaos.com/
http://grimandperilous.com/
>I don't know much about Warhammer, how can I get started?
Have a read of this:
http://www.snotling.org/data/_uploaded/media/WFRP_Information_Booklet.pdf
Outstanding questions:
>Sleeping with the Fishes: An Aquatic race in WFRP?
>Maybe we're looking too deep into this: The Dark Beneath The World - The next frontier for WFRP gaming?
>Crimes and Schemes: What have you gotten away with in WFRP?
Some fun reading for WFRP fans:
>How James Wallis Ruined my Characters Life.
http://www.criticalmiss.com/issue8/jameswallisruined1.html
>James Responds
http://www.criticalmiss.com/issue8/jameswallisreplies1.html
>Wolfgang's Guide to Screwing your PCs
http://www.criticalmiss.com/issue9/wolfgangscrews1.html
>>44630524
>Sleeping with the Fishes: An Aquatic race in WFRP?
Marius Lietdorf waged an imaginary war against half imagined 'fishmen'. Of course, to be fair Leitdorf also speaks to his horse, bathes in buttermilk and attacked hedges thinking they were halflings.
>>44630524
>>Maybe we're looking too deep into this: The Dark Beneath The World - The next frontier for WFRP gaming?
We've talked about The Dark Beneath the World a bit over the last few days - any gamers or GM have experience or exposure to that aspect of the setting?
>>44630843
Marius was the wisest of us all when he declared the invasion of the moot, such a war could have exposed the near sylvanian counts, the same counts who will be at the roots of a series of diplomatic incidents that will make the alliance between dwarfs, men and elves and the auric bastion crumble in such a short and drastic period.
Mark these words:
Believe in marius, for in a time of madness let the madmen lead the way.
Restart the setting at 2500, rewrite history, if not for saving the world, just to protect his awesome hair from premature death.
>>44633149
>Restart the setting at 2500, rewrite history, if not for saving the world, just to protect his awesome hair from premature death.
I am starting my group on a campaign that may lead to this. It's going to be a long one, if all goes to plan, and I'm taking inspiration from The Dark Beneath the World setting idea. But the ultimate goal is for the group to build a Chaos-safe air-ship to sail into the Realm of Chaos as the End Times comes down around their heads.
When they get there, they'll have the opportunity to reset the timeline and change it to their needs.
>>44633334
Sounds like fun.
>>44633367
Fingers crossed.
>>44633149
Karl Franz got him killed. Marius was in the thick of things and Franz was no where to be seen when the Mad Count was strangled to death. At least that's my canon.
>>44635905
God damn it Franz.
>>44636722
Franz gives no fucks, man.
>>44630524
wow, you fucking changed fucking OP picture! there may yet be hope for ya!
>>44633149
>a magic world
>winds of magic blowing everywhere
>beastmen in all forests
>witches and amber wizards who can talk to animals
>a guy who talks to his horse is considered a psycho
/logic
>>44639278
>2 billion people believe Mohammed talked to god during epileptic seizures
>no one believes Stinky Larry when he says he talks to god
>>44639444
mohammed was 1000 years ago and was a singular man.
imperial forests are filled with beastmen, witches and amber wizards. talking to animals ain't special in any way in the Empire.
>>44639463
The dude also yelled at custard. Context is important.
>>44639602
you never know it wasn't sentient daemonic custard
you can't be really sure someone is a psycho in such a magic-filled world
>>44639701
A guy who sees a walking rat-man once might have seen a walking rat-man.
A guy who punched Sigmar, had sex with the Lady of the Lake, found out his duck was possessed by Be'lakor, sneezed out a snotling and summoned up his best friend in the form of a horse is probably crazy.
>>44639749
>Lady of the Lake
>Lyadrin
>fucking whore
he just might have, you know. not unreasonable.
also, magic.
>>44639808
Hey, are you interested in buying a bridge?
>>44640282
why would I, when I can make a bridge WITH MAGIC.
seriously, there should be no such concepts as "impossible", "fairytale", "legend" or "crazy" in universes with widespread MAGIC.
>>44640634
>widespread MAGIC.
>Warhammer
Read :
http://www.snotling.org/data/_uploaded/media/WFRP_Information_Booklet.pdf
Specifically the section on magic.
Sure, the shit exists. But most sane people are terrified of it and won't trust it if you paid them.
>>44640671
only in Empire and Bretonnia. Warhammer World is much larger than just Empire and Bretonnia.
and we're talking higher classes of humans - nobles, wizards, priests - here. Peasants and civilians are so down in the dirt they cannot technically know difference between how nobles act and madness.
>>44640943
>technically know difference between how nobles act and madness.
Arguably true, but they'd still think someone talking to their horse is crazy.
>Warhammer World is much larger than just Empire and Bretonnia.
and we're talking higher classes of humans - nobles, wizards, priests - here.
And those are the very people who thought talking to your horse was a sign of terminal pants-on-head-itis.
>>44640954
>And those are the very people who thought talking to your horse was a sign of terminal pants-on-head-itis.
and they shouldn't, because they actually know the world is overfilled with MAGIC and talking to horses is not unreasonable. maybe the Count is receptive to the Wind of Ghur and it granted him ability to understand animal speech? maybe his horse is a sentient daemonic creature? (which is a different matter entirely, but still talking to it ain't crazy... no more crazy than courting the servants of chaos, that is) maybe his horse is not a regular horse, but a sentient being from far-off lands that just happens to look like a horse?
saying "talking to a horse is crazy" in MAGIC world is like saying "talking alone is crazy" in a world of phones with bluetooth earpieces.
>>44641028
>saying "talking to a horse is crazy" in MAGIC world is like saying "talking alone is crazy" in a world of phones with bluetooth earpieces.
Actually a perfect analogue. Except only one in every thousand people will have a bluetooth earpiece. So you don't see a guy talking to himself and say 'Oh, he probably has a bluetooth'. You say 'Shit, that man is crazy' until you see his bluetooth.
Even then, you still say 'Shit that man is crazy' because his bluetooth can make his head explode and summon a daemon from outside existence into the world.
So either he's talking to a horse and is crazy. Or magic is involved and he's just as crazy but for a different reason.
There's a reason you don't see wizards in the setting going around in public and talking to horses.
Because people would see them and think they were crazy and set their asses on fire. Unless they were a Bright Wizard, in which case they would be drowned.
Sane people do not talk to horses where people with pitchforks and flammable substances can see.
Back in the late 90s, when Dogs of War came out, I became enamored with Tilea setting and its surroundings (the Pirate Island of Barbossa and Estalia) and always wanted to do a campaign taking place in one of the PseudoReinassence city-states exposed in that now old Army book.
It was very disappointing to me that during the times of WHFRP second edition there was a book for Kislev and the Border Kingdoms but none for Tilea.
>>44641070
but in your example that's peasants' PoW and it doesn't matter, 'cos they are ignorant peasants.
in higher society, where people are aware of wizards and normally have at least a couple at court, not counting illegal dealing with hedge wizards and stuff, it is more normal.
>>44641077
>http://altdorfer.blogspot.com.au/2010/11/wfrp-tilea-for-wfrpv2-by-fans-for-fans.html
A fan made supplement for Tilea.
Extremely decent. Enjoy.
>>44641104
>but in your example that's peasants' PoW
That's not just the Peasants. That's royalty, merchants and the educated as well.
People are educated to distrust, fear and abhor magic-users. It changes depending on the different courts and personalities involved, but fearing magic tends to be the norm.
I mean, shit - Witch Hunters are a thing in this setting.
Wizards would probably know better than to immediately assume someone was crazy for talking to a horse. But unless that someone was also a wizard, they'd probably assume they were either crazy or tainted.
>>44641135
witch hunters come from peasants and petty nobles - i.e. retrograde superstitious shits.
higher nobles employ wizards regularly, because you cannot function in MAGIC world without employing magic on a regular basis. just a few of them are die-hard supersitious magic-hating idiots.
and being susceptible to a wind doesn't make you a wizard or tainted outright, I reckon. it's like precognition magic that seeps from Celestial Hurricanum, just more permanent
>and being susceptible to a wind doesn't make you a wizard or tainted outright, I reckon. it's like precognition magic that seeps from Celestial Hurricanum, just more permanent
Probably true, but whose going to know that other than someone trained in the arts of Magic?
And whose going to trust someone who studies magic?
Most decently powerful nobles are shown to employ Wizards as advisors and battle assets, but knowing something exists =/= understanding how it works.
Madness exists too. And it's more common than magic. If you see something that seems crazy and can be more easily explained as crazy. Then it's rational to assume it's crazy.
Going back to the talking to the horse situation.
1. Guy is talking to a horse. Horse is being a horse. Guy is being casual. Result: Not crazy, guy likes his horse.
2. Guy is talking to a horse. Horse is being a horse. Guy is yelling at you for interrupting his discussion with senior counsel and explains what the horse has ordered him to do. Result: Guy is crazy.
3. Guy is talking to horse. Horse is reacting and appears to be responding. Guy is yelling at you for interrupting his discussion with senior counsel and explains what the horse has ordered him to do. Result: Guy might be crazy, or Guy might be magical.
4. Guy is talking to horse. Horse is talking back. They consult you for advice. Result: Either the guy is magic or you are crazy.
Even in a world of magic, talking to yourself is more likely a sign of someone being crazy.
For a real world analogue - how many people who pray to a God regularly would think you were crazy if you told him that God spoke back and told you to burn down the house?
>>44641246
ye, but such concept as "crazy" shouldn't even have appeared in a MAGIC universe. look at ancient people - they considered madmen prophets, touched by gods, yadda-yadda-yadda - and that's when magic/gods is a subject of faith, not fact.
there can be no concept of madness in a MAGIC world. guy's acting strange? that's magic/gods. period.
>>44641300
>ye, but such concept as "crazy" shouldn't even have appeared in a MAGIC universe.they considered madmen prophets, touched by gods, yadda-yadda-yadda - and that's when magic/gods is a subject of faith, not fact.
Yeah. Until they realised not everyone was talking to the gods or prophets. Then they get burned, killed or generally shunned.
>there can be no concept of madness in a MAGIC world. guy's acting strange? that's magic/gods. period.
If anything, that's MORE reason to prove that they are crazy. Because Magic DOES exist. There are experts in it. They can tell you, for a fact, 'Nope. No magic here. That guy is a fucking loon'.
A wizard would know for sure if a guy was crazy or not.
>>44641300
>there can be no concept of madness in a MAGIC world. guy's acting strange? that's magic/gods. period.
You know, even when people believe in God they still thought people were crazy or lying if they said they were talking to God.
Like, you know, Joan of Arc.
>>44641344
that's politics. especially in Joan's case.
>>44641354
How can you say that with a straight face? People who devoted their lives to the worship of their God are suddenly told a French tart is getting a direct one-on-one with the big guy upstairs and he's telling her that you're a cunt.
Clearly she's insane. She's a teenage girl who has lost her marbles.
Either way, an example of a setting where a sort of magical element existed and was believed in, but madness was still understood.
>>44641354
>that's politics. especially in Joan's case.
>You know, even when people believe in God they still thought people were crazy or lying if they said they were talking to God.
>that's politics
>people believe in God
>people were crazy if they talk to God
>that's politics
So you're saying that the concept of people thinking other people are mad is a political one?
>>44641401
people believed in her and followed her until french king announced her mad and a witch, no?
and he did that solely because he was afraid of her growing influence, while he sat on his thumbs.
>>44641426
>her mad and a witch, no?
Yep. And people believed that. Because even in a setting where a magical element (God) was taken as fact, people still knew you could just be plain crazy.
Again:
>If anything, that's MORE reason to prove that they are crazy. Because Magic DOES exist. There are experts in it. They can tell you, for a fact, 'Nope. No magic here. That guy is a fucking loon'.
>A wizard would know for sure if a guy was crazy or not.
Just because magic exists, doesn't mean someone can't be mentally ill.
>>44641474
>Just because magic exists, doesn't mean someone can't be mentally ill.
Being mentally ill has nothing to do with magical elements. There's no reason the two can't exist simultaneously.
>>44641474
>>44641503
yeah, ok, maybe. but it's one thing when a regular peasant or upstart girl (Joan wasn't even noble, right?) and another matter entirely when it's an Elector Count.
>>44641537
>another matter entirely when it's an Elector Count.
Madness has no respect for social boundaries, and the setting has had their share of mad rulers. A peasant couldn't call them out on it, but it wouldn't stop them from thinking that the Elector Count is insane.
Romans thought Caligula was a nutcase. They just couldn't do anything about it.
>>44641077
There was one that covered Barbossa; Sigmar's Heirs, maybe?
>>44639749
The craziest things he did was being truthful to that bretonnian's ugly wife (a sign of affidability), talking to his horse (a sign of sensibility), bathing in milk (fucking rad for his hair) and believing those damn halflings were uo to something (foresight, sylvania is next to the moot)
