How much mercy is generally seen among a friendly game of MTG?
None.
The point of the game is to win.
>>44590299
Enough to know that any idiot with removal would stop that combo in its tracks
>>44590299
What does it look like when its infinitely powerful?
>>44590372
Covered under a pile of poker chips?
If you successfully hit a opponent with a -1/1 creature does that mean they heal 1 point?
>>44590472
No you fucking retard. Damage can't be less than 0.
>>44590654
A 0/2 with a -1/-1 counter? Also, does decreasing a creature's toughness to 0 with -X/-X spells kill it or do I need to put it at negative toughness?
>>44590869
Toughness 0 or less destroys the creature, yes.
>>44590869
>A 0/2 with a -1/-1 counter?
Damage. Cannot. Be. Less. Than. Zero.
Also, does decreasing a creature's toughness to 0 with -X/-X spells kill it
Yes. It's how you kill indestructible creatures.
>>44590869
0 toughness is lethal
>>44590924
>>44590919
>>44590921
Okay. Guess my friends and I are stupid. But it has caused some funny things to happen. Like a 2/5 creature attacking me directly and casting a -4/-4 on it so it healed me for 2.
>>44590869
>>44590919
>>44590924
These guys are correct for the most part but it's important to remember that the creatures aren't being "destroyed". A creature with 0 toughness or with lethal damage moves from the battlefield to the graveyard as a state based action (which is technically different from being 'destroyed', hence why indestructibility won't stop -1/-1 counters from removing your creature).
>>44591028
Don't stop because it's wrong if you enjoy it. Just keep in mind the real rules for when you play someone outside of your group.
>>44591028
yes.
>>44590299
I'll slow down my combos among close friends or the girlfriend, but wrecking someone's shit is a part of what makes FNM fun.
>>44591066
Wise comment. The cards are there to play a game, as long as you're all enjoying yourselves, you don't "need" the official rules until you play with others. I wish more people could loosen up and realize this about many games.
Although you'll be confused as shit the first few times you play outside the group.
>>44590418
In universe, I mean.
Do it's quills become infinitely pointy? An aura of pointyness surrounding them?
>>44590299
I did this once in Mental Magic + Time Walk
>>44590345
>The point of the game is to win
every game
>>44591651
Explaining card interactions in-universe can be nearly nonsensical.
Like this is a man who finds an elf every time he turns his head. He is surrounded by elves. Everywhere he gazes is an elf. The universe is collapsing into elves.
>>44593212
That's hilarious. Any more?
>>44593256
An artificer earns his "grand" title by discovering how to turn a scarecrow into a perpetual motion device.
>>44593256
>>44593212
Let's derail this thread.
>ITT: Absolutely retarded "realized" combos that people actually play.
>>44593423
>Dude, have you finished your paper yet
>I was about to but then i noticed this thing over here and with that shit we learned the other day it seems kinda cool h/o let me just
>THE POWER OF CREATION FLOWS THROUGH ME MORTAL
>>44590299
No mercy. Whoever gets butthurt over a children's card game is gigafaggot.
>>44593484
>children's card game
This isn't yugioh
This, except card games.
The only rule my friends and I play with is this: No infinite combos.
That's it.
Why?
Because literally ANYONE can make an infinite combo deck. Oh boy. Now that's F U N
>>44590299
Give no mercy, expect no mercy.
However if you're playing with people you like, then consider how powerful their decks are, and try to use one they can actually put up a fight against.
>>44595232
>use one they can actually put up a fight against.
For some reason /tg/ cannot comprehend this idea that I play mtg to have fun with friends and not to solely win. If I wanted to win I'd play a infinite mana deck on a online browser based mtg program.
>>44590299
Only ever for the sake of making it interesting. Like, I could win now, or I could win in a turn or two, but I want to see what the opponent's next play is because I'm interested in actually playing the game. Winning doesn't really mean anything when there aren't prizes. I play the game because I like the gameplay and the card interactions.
>>44590299
No Mercy.
In any game.
Close friends, or bitter rivals, their faces will be smashed by eldrazi wombo combos.
>>44590299
I'm the type of player to give a single turn of mercy if I feel my lead was commanding. If it's a close game, none.
But if I'm in a board state where I've already won, I give the enemy one turn to disrupt it. Some would call it bad manners, probably.
>>44593433
Niv-Mizzet is so curious his brain is exploding!
>>44595446
Dragging the game out for no reason when you could just play another game seems pointless to me
>>44593433
>>44593433
and this
>>44593433
also this
>>44598937
(and by extension, this
though that's all I've got
>>44598948
the funny thing is if this is your answer the quillspike won't even die. by the time your ability attempts to go on the stack, you'll have already lost the game due to being at -90000000000080 life.
>>44598993
>How much mercy is generally seen among a friendly game of MTG?
>>44598993
Read the name of the card then read OP.
>>44599064
I got it when >>44599032 quoted the OP. I've had this thread open for a while and forgot what the OP's text was, so the joke went over my head at first.
>>44594796
>The only rule my friends and I play with is this: No lifegain.
>Because literally ANYONE can make a lifegain deck. Oh boy. Now that's F U N
>The only rule my friends and I play with is this: No draw spells.
>Because literally ANYONE can make a draw spell deck. Oh boy. Now that's F U N
>The only rule my friends and I play with is this: No creatures.
>Because literally ANYONE can make a creature deck. Oh boy. Now that's F U N
I understand the ban but not the reason you provide for it.
My creatures have a strong spiritual essense. This means my Megatog can eat my Memenite, poop it out, and then eat it again as many times as I need it to. Eating the same Memnite over and over makes the Megatog strong enough to kill literally anything.
>>44598961
narset
origins walkers
obnob
shit's getting fucking ridiculous, actually
>>44599961
It works with all Gideons.
>>44599973
kill me plz
>>44590299
Strictly in a casual sense, there are two widely practiced reasons for mercy that I've seen:
A) mana screw
B) when you can OMG TIMMY NEWB DOUBLE OVER KILL LOL HYDRAZ4LIVE by waiting a turn. Just one turn, though. Any more than that and its just rude.
>>44599961 Adding insult to injury Mycosynth Lattice and Bludgeon Bawl are pretty stupid by themselves, considering that one is the size of a Plane and the other is inherently larger than the fight your taking it into.
>>44599973
Only Kytheon + other Gideons, as the Gideon Subtype for walkers has that pesky legend rule effect.
>>44600416
What is Mirror Gallery?
>>44600488
A card that does nothing about the planeswalker rule.
>>44593433
>I have empowered myself with dark magics, creating a bond from your blood to mine! As you bleed, so I grow stronger through the delicious power of your Exquisite Blood!
>And as my power grows, the Sanguine Bond I've worked will drain even more of your delicious, delicious blood!
>YES, YOUR BLOOD IS SO GOOD. OH MAN.
>Shit, he's dead.
>Man, I need my blood fix.
>ineeditsobad
>You, asshole, I've blah blah dark magics, blah blah bond, GIVE ME YOUR BLOOD.
>Looks around at the wreckage of the duel.
>I'm so fucking fat.
![MTG-Combo-Cards[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fvIt6Iz.jpg "MTG-Combo-Cards[1].jpg")
>>44593256
This bell is very inspiring. So inspiring in fact that I shall ring it an infinite number of times, flooding your mind with every possible thought until you run out of thoughts to have and simply descend into madness.
Of course, I'm using my psychic powers to unring it, so it feels like a new and fresh inspiration every time.
>>44599833
its not that its pooping it out.
its that after being eaten, its ghost is returning due to its strong spiritual essence, and recreating its body just happens to be scott-free.
>>44600697
wow but you seem a little triggered.
would you like some preparation H anon?
>>44590919
>Ulamog Dies to Tragic Slip
So much for indestructible.
![tumblr_nxotdh00St1s9rpajo1_500[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/qugqVbD.gif "tumblr_nxotdh00St1s9rpajo1_500[1].gif")
>>44600735
![tumblr_n2duvqq6lG1s9rpajo1_r2_500[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/FrrtkI3.gif "tumblr_n2duvqq6lG1s9rpajo1_r2_500[1].gif")
>>44600753
and emrakul dies to angry squirrels.
>>44593537
That's right! This is a teenager's card game.
>>44595232
Pretty much this. "Mercy" comes into play at the stage of building/selecting decks with an eye toward being a fair match for what your friends are going to be playing.
Once the opening hands are drawn, though, it's time to give it your all, and may the best man win.
Well, unless it's multiplayer, in which case you might show mercy to the guy who's totally getting shafted, but that's as much a pragmatic tool to win a temporary ally or simply keep an extra threat in the game to help pressure your other opponents.
>>44593433
Similar to the Midnight guard example. Though I've never seen this exact one play out, it could fit in a Jeskai deck, since two thirds of the pieces are just general value.
>Alright, Miss Flamewright, I brought you out here to the Training Grounds to practice making defensive constructs. Could you please try to do so?
>Sure, but it tires me out something fierce... Here goes nothing. (bzzt, krnk, clang). Woo, that takes a lot-
>INTRUDER ALERT INTRUDER ALERT
>GISELA GOLDNIGHT, What the fuck was that?!
>Sorry, we installed an Intruder Alarm, to keep our troops ready for combat. Sorry, it can't tell friend from foe, your construct must have set it off.
>It's really shocking, I'll tell you. Scared the sleep right out of me.
>Could you make another construct, then?
>Yeah, I guess, gotta burn off this adrenaline. (Bzzt, krnk, clang) Whew, there we-
>INTRUDER ALERT.
>SHIT, I forgot about that damn alarm!
>Another construct?
She's surprised every time.
>>44600791
that one only goes til you run out of mana though.
>>44600820
>Training Grounds
>>44599833
This crazy bint keeps singing herself to death and coming right back. Did it all day.
Then, suddenly, bullets. Bullets everywhere.
>>44596266
This. I don't see how it's friendly or merciful to toy with your food.
>Somehow, it was both pitch-black as midnight, and brilliant daylight all at once. Nope, I dunno how it worked either. We were all so confused that we just kinda stopped fighting and stood there until shit straightened out again.
>>44601104
between the blinding sunlight and it being dark as pitch, we were all blind as bats, so we had to stop fighting until it stopped.
>>44599360
The focus is on the INFINITE part, you autist. Infinite burn always wins immediately, infinite milling always wins immediately, infinite creatures always wins immediately, infinite mana always let's you play cards that will let you win immediately. It's unfair, on nearly the same level of cards that say "fulfill this arbitrary, sort of hard condition and you literally win the game."
It's cool that things like that can even happen in a card game, but when you make your deck completely revolve around combos like that you're just going to come off as sort of an asshole. I'm looking at you, Twin players.
>>44601166
see, I'm fine with infinite combos, so long as they're covoluted as heck.
two cards with ludicrously overclocked synergy? booooooring.
4-5 cards all working together in some bodged up rube goldberg contraption to make an artifact a creature, tap it once, then untap it and turn it back into an artifact, then rename it bilbo baggins, then lift its right leg, to turn a cog, which spins a wheel, to draw me infinite cards which I then discard for mana to cast Crater Claws, that kind of stuff I'm fine with.
I absolutely adore combo. I just hate efficient combos.
>>44600952
Worth noting that Endless One from BFZ adds some redundancy, and that either a Blood Artist or a Zulaport Cutthroat on the field can take the place of grapeshot
>>44601104
No one moved, not one blade was lifted. Before us held such a beautiful sight. Pure darkness, ringed in the light of day.
Those of us that we're pure fell to our knees, weeping at such a sight. For we could not fight in such blinding beauty.
The dark ones though, they cowered in fear. They saw it as despair. Pure darkness contained in light. They dare not move lest the light burn them from existence.
We stood mesmerized while the two gods raged over head.
>>44590371
>I remove devote druid
>in response I tap it and start the combo anyway
>>44600891
>This effect can't reduce the amount of mana an ability costs to activate to less than one mana.
>>44601290
you need both pieces out on the board.
while one is on the stack, I can remove the other.
>>44601290
Obviously you'd remove Quillspike.
>>44601364
>>44601372
either way just countering is a better awnser to any combo
>>44600977
I agree with this, it's just disrespectful to drag out a game you've already clearly won.
>Go to tournament
>Get caught mana weaving
>''Hurr durr you are ruining the game when you mana weave you should be dq'ed''
Shut the fuck up, Mana weaving is NOT cheating. I am merely leveling the playing field because I only do it when I know my opponent is running an overpriced meta deck.
>>44602291
But mana weave is dumb. If you shuffle well enough, your cards should be randomized, and man weave does nothing. For mana weave to have an effect, you'd have to shuffle ineffectively. yYou are trying to play without a randomized order of cards, and thus, you're cheating.
>>44602291
Cheating because you can't beat your opponent doesn't justify it. It is still cheating. Imagine if someone brought a gun to a fencing duel because his opponent "is using overpriced meta gear".
>>44602291
You mean cheating
>>44598937
i looked up the website, its way funnier than cardboard crack
>>44602572
That's not saying much.
>>44602620
true, but magic comedy is generally shit or cringeworthy (some "comedy" articles I've seen and Tolarian Community College) so I'll take what I can get.
>>44601166
Yeah, see, those are all great reasons to ban infinite combos at your kitchen table. But the only one in the post was "because anyone can do it."
Just saying your post could've been worded better. That's all, take it or leave it.
>>44590299
Depends on what's being played, who I'm playing, and where I'm playing it.
If I'm hanging out with some friends, having a casual match, listening to some music and bitching about our work weeks, I'm gonna play somewhat evenly. If I find a quick way to win, I'm not gonna go for it. It's more fun to see where the game goes. In fact, I've banned myself from playing indestructable, infect, unblockable and any more than four or five counters when I'm just having fun. Those abilities are the opposite of fun.
If I'm playing at thecommunity collegeagainst other massive assburgers, I give it my all. The fun in that's in the competition, and those netdeck-using, proxy-printing asshats certainly aren't gonna give me the same slack my friends and I give each other.
If you play to have fun all the time, maybe that's why you suck.
If you play to win all the time, maybe that's why none of your friends play you anymore.
>>44602291
>I'm only looking at the LANDS!
>I'm only looking at his BALLS!
If you have to tell people why what you're doing isn't cheating, it's cheating.
>>44602291
Newsflash: Magic is 80% pay2win. If you don't like it, stop playing.
>>44603062
>Not just playing Draft
>>44603062
>pay2win
>not pay2play
>>44603792
>pay2play2paymore2playmore2
>>44602291
if you're mana weaving and shuffling properly, it's just a time waster
So, unless you're doing that in the dead time between matches, people have legit reasons to be upset. Because slow people are the devil.
>>44600760
How did Emrakul lose flying?
>>44604665
It didn't, the squirrels gained flying.
>>44590371
the existance of removal and counterspells mean that nobody should ever play a card
>>44606029
Nah. It just means you shouldn't play a card that costs more than half of your mana when your opponent's first land is a island.
>>44602786
that combo doesn't work at all
spike feeder with 1 counter on it is a 0/0 and dies
mikaeus doesn't get it back because it had a counter
>>44607254
Reread Mikaeus the Unhallowed?
It's getting +1/+1 for not being a human.
>>44590299
A lot from me. I've been playing way too long to care about winning every single game. I tell people when they're making stupid plays and let them take it back. I let them change how they paid for things. I let people reverse their entire turn when I tell them "it doesn't work like that"
I'd rather make sure they have fun while getting better at the game than crush their metaphorical testicles and make them feel like shit and turn to something they think they're better at.
The only time I'm serious is during events and I don't even do those very often anymore since I got a job that has me working every Friday night.
My friends build shirty decks. I build a shitty-by-tg-standard deck and beat them every time. I now build slightly shitty decks so they have a fair chance of winning since dominating them every game just puts them in a sour mood and I haw seeing my friends sad.
>>44600753
>>44600760
>Cardboard Crack
>>44602291
>you should be dq'ed
You will be dq'ed if you do this in front of a judge.
Best part is, when you mana weave, I can just "unshuffle" your deck (by doing the reverse without looking at the cards) and hand it back to you and your draw will be either 7 lands or no lands, manaweavers are complete retards.
>>44601104
Then you just replace one with counterspell.
>>44608260
>LGS has vintage night
>Up to 50% proxies allowed because LGS has shit inventory
>Local Dickhead enters tourney with foiled out U/R/b Bomberman.dek
>Talks shit to opponents all night
>Round 3
>Playing against this guy
>See him manaweaving
>Bridge Shuffle his cards
>He can't call a judge or he'll get called out on manaweaving
>His face when
>Proceed to whoop him with Gush-Bond
>>44602291
>Mana Weaving does nothing
You are wasting everyone's time.
>Mana Weaving does help
You're staking your deck and therefore cheating.
>>44608488
>Playing Gush-Bond
>>44608488
I don't understand why so few people seem to do a proper riffle or mash shuffle with their opponent's decks. I always mash my opponent's at least thrice at the start of each match.
>>44608488
Okay but for real, the hell is Bomberman.dek?
>>44608756
It's a shitty vintage archetype that plays a lot like eggs, except it's based on comboing off with Black Lotus, Auriok Salvager, and a spellbomb.
>>44608734
>be at $30 Urza's Saga draft circa 2012, because nostalgia and possibly pull value (i don't)
>draft B/G midrange with two Pestilence, some ramp and subpar creatures
>lose round one to a fun sociable opponent
>move to round two against stereotypical fa/tg/uy
>try to start a conversation while mash shuffling a deck I don't even care about much less know how to optimize for draws
>gives me the silent treatment and death glare the entire time
>hand my deck over for cutting, he shuffles it every possible way imaginable essentially doubling the time before game
>eek out a win in a miserable game one against blue control
>go through the same shuffling routine again before game two (there may have been a game three as well)
>end up going 1-2 for the afternoon
I can understand shuffling your opponent's deck in really competitive environments, or if they mana weave but there are certain situations where is it simply insulting.
