Reminder that Angron did nothing wrong and Emperor fucked him over. He has every right to be pissed off.
>>44541168
Reminder that Angron would have been nothing without Kharn
>>44541168
Reminder that Angron unique talent is war, but even the faggot primarch is still a better warrior than him.
>>44541751
Angron's "unique talent" was omnidirectional homicidal rage. War an the proper execution of a large scale war requires a shit load more than just hitting shit with shit.
But it really was not his fault he never managed to master the finer side of armed conflict. Dude had catastrophic brain damage.
Kurze does Terror better, Sangi and Vulk are better CQC. Morti and Pert are better tanks. Russ is at least half sane.
What the fuck does Angron's legion gives except for a loose cannon who will obviously fall to chaos?
>>44541225
>>44541835
Extermination when it is already known that there will be mass casualties. World Eaters are treated like the Iron Warriors and given the shitty jobs.
>>44541168
Agreed with the pissed off part, but it doesn't justify the use of the thousandfold damned Butcher Nail on a legion level.
>>44541168
Except for the fact that Emps gave him command of the War Hounds, and he could have used them to save his gombas, but he refused. Of course, this is going by Index Astartes, not the goddamn HH series.
Emprah could've made a token effort to help the Eaters of Cities at the Battle of Desh'elika Ridge. Decided to kidnap Angron instead and leave the Eaters to die.
Emprah could've personally communicated to Angron that he was the Primarch and chosen leader of the War Hounds. Decided to dump him the Adamant Resolve's hold and let the War Hounds' officers try instead, getting seven killed in the process.
Emprah could've devoted time to reverse-engineering the Butcher's Nails to figure out how to safely remove them. Decided not to and didn't object to Angron mutilating the World Eaters with half-baked copies of the Nails, turning the Legion into a gang of blood-mad psychos.
Yep, I'm inclined to agree with OP.
>>44541225
This really. It can't have been easy being Angrons tard tamer. No wonder he started killing everything in sight.
>>44541168
>HE WUZ A GOOD BOY WHO DIN DU NUFFIN', HE WUZ TRYIN' TO GET HIS LIFE BACK ON TRACK. JUST STARTED SCHOLARIUM. WE NEED MORE MONEY FOR DEM POGROMS
What the fuck is this bullshit? Angron did a ton of shit wrong, like subjecting his legion to the same brain damaging shit that was put in his head, despite knowing how much worse off he was for having it.
Traitor apologists need to go, because all you do is enable these fucking heretics to continue destroying their own hive worlds. You people need to get over your human guilt, and stop coddling these assholes.
>>44545479
>look at this #allprimarchsmatter shitter
4 srs tho, all the primarchs did wrong, that's what they're for. You don't conquer the galaxy by being good.
>>44545532
Sanguinius did nothing wrong.
>>44542846
Yeah its pretty stupid and hard to believe.
>>44545607
Motherfucker was a mutant made out of warpstuff designed by a megalomaniac to command thousands of genetically engineered child soldiers. Like, dude was handsome as fuck, but that only covers for so much murder and war.
Even in universe he hid the red thirst from everyone and was prime candidate for becoming khorn's chosen one.
>>44545479
Being able to reason like that is expected of someone with a functioning brain.
Angron had nails in his head.
He should never have been put in a position where he could have done that Shit.
>>44545532
>>44545479
Holy fuck, /pol/ in the 41st milleninum
Angron was one of the worst primarchs, he was almost entirely useless.
He didn't do a single fucking thing right.
>>44545711
At least he rekt some serious shit after becoming a daemon prince unlike that retard Lorgar
>>44545681
Fuck off, Chaos Justice Warrior.
Stop assuming that everyone on 40chan that doesn't agree with you is from /pol/. Defending your pet primarchs won't make them like you.
>>44545758
Oh yeah, he was a badass daemon prince, I just meant he really sucked as a primarch.
>>44545759
1. I don't give two shits or a fuck.
2. >CJW
brilliant.png
3. From where I sit this is comedic gold, please go on.
4. C'mon we'be all lurked /pol/ for years, if you can't notice trends and laugh at this shit wtp?
>>44545759
>40chan
Again brilliant.png
Gold itt
>>44542846
>saving slaves
They were a bunch of rabble that would be killed in any Legion attack. Apart from the slavery, the nobles were doing a pretty good job of ruling the planet and accepted Imperial control.
>Emperor talking to Angron
I think he did, didn't he?
>Butcher's Nails
It was impossible to safely remove them. And he didn't object to the Legion getting them because he gave his Primarchs too much freedom.
I agree that the fall of Angron and War Hounds is the most tragic part of the HH, but the Emperor wasn't that much in the wrong.
>he needed the Great Crusade over as quickly as possible
>Angron was damaged and unfit for whatever role the Emperor wanted out of him
>by his logic, letting Angron do whatever the fuck he wants in the last years of his existence is the best option, as long as he prosecutes the Great Crusade
>>44545759
>I may be a CJW but at least I'm not a magos rights activist
>100101 its soooo hard having to manufacture weapons from my techpalace 1001001
>>44545931
>>44545956
Typical bullshit from some heretic apologist.
I bet you sit around jerking it to the thought of your wife taking BAC from some Emperor's Children deviant, screaming "I can feel the warp overtaking me!".
>>44546256
#machinespiritsmatter
>>44541168
>father wrongly neglects to save his buddies, is a bit of a cunt
>aid in the conflagration of the fucking galaxy
Yeah, totally appropriate response.
Give me a fucking break.
>>44545532
Bad for the enemy, yes, but good for their own people and their Emperor. Looking after your own interests doesn't make you bad, just human.
>>44545758
Lorgar was the truly smart one. He got the Chaos Gods to make him an immortal badass and then left them to sort out their own mess while he played video games and jacked off on his own planet.
Daily reminder that Konrad Curze did nothing wrong.
>>44541751
>Reminder that Angron unique talent is war
No it isn't.
>even the faggot primarch is still a better warrior than him.
Better generals, but not warriors
Just posting the only primarch who actually did nothing wrong.
>>44552797
Yeah seriously, Angron was a fucking gladiator first and only. Not a warrior/general/soldier/poet/architect/whatever. A fucking gladiator.
>>44546233
>the nobles were doing a pretty good job of ruling the planet
>"Angron's world as technologically advanced and ruled over by a wealthy elite who lived in decadent opulence while the populace of their cities lived in abject poverty in the slums that surrounded their walled palaces and villas."
>>44550402
The problem was't that they died, its that Big E kidnapped Angron before the battle
Why do people try and justify and understand what Angron did? It was obvious he was fully aware of what he was doing. He just didn't care about the repercussions because he wanted to die and kill. That was it. He wasn't trying to impress anyone or garner their support.
>>44552802
Vulkan and Corax should have overruled Ferrus when he was getting a revenge boner on Istvaan V. Both wanted to wait and advance with caution but let Ferrus take the lead and charge in headlong.
Still I agree that Vulkan did the least wrong and is objectively best Primarch.
>>44543355
Is it wrong that my favorite part of that comic is that Kharn gets laid at the end?
>>44541168
>These nail-things in my head are extremely painful and I fucking hate them
>HURR BETTER FORCE THEM ON ALL MY MEN
>>44552494
You
I like you
>>44552802
You posted the wrong picture
>>44553658
At the very least, he did wrong when he dressed himself.
That hat is heresy and a half, right there on its own.
>>44553658
Has he ever said that he hated the nails?
>>44543355
Kharn's little eyebrows just make it.
>>44553503
Naw.
My only problem with the comic is it doesn't depict Lotara as I imagine her. Pic incredibly related.
>>44553658
>>44553658
He looks a fucking Joestar.
>>44545675
>talking shit about Sangüinius
You're the worst scum to ever walk this land
>>44553658
>making pacts with daemonic entities forfeiting themselves and damming himself and his legion.
>not being wrong
>>44545675
>prime candidate for becoming khorn's chosen one
>LaughingAngron.jpg
>LaughingLorgar.jpg
Scrub Lorgar shot that idea out of the water already.
Sang was, and still is, the greatest of the primarchs.
>>44557035
>Sang was, and still is, the greatest of the primarchs.
Then please explain why, after like two dozen Horus Heresy novels, he has yet to manifest a distinctive personality.
Fucking hell. Like, goofy as they are, Angron's a sympathetic psychopath, Lorgar's a spoiled princess, Fulgrim is a hilarious twat, Guilliman's a reasonable politician, Vulkan's got his batshit insane subplot, the Khan's a total bro, and even the Lion is identifiable as an autistic nerd who gets to be his own mary sue.
Sanguinius is just a big impressive-looking dude who is generically honorable and that's like, it.
>>44541751
would
>>44557035
>Distrusted the Emperor and hid the truth himself
>Was willing to fall to Chaos to save his legion
>Was willing to work with xenos
No, he is not. We know that he wasn't as loyal as Russ and Dorn.
>>44541168
>did nothing wrong
Angron got captured by slavers and didn't manage to free himself. He also failed to rally his slave buddies into a successful revolt, like Corax did.
None of that's on the Emperor.
>>44557999
>didn't manage to free himself
>>44557999
Nobody but the slaves knew about Corax.
The rulers seized Angron early and lobotomized him.
The Emperor permitted a corrupt ruling class to continue exploiting the slaves even when he fully learned of Angron's situation.
Far from a unique situation in the Imperium, regarding an exploited working class, but the Emperor chose not to intervene and settle a negotiation between the rebels and the rulers, which was very much within his power.
In any other case, it'd just be one more evil he allowed to be brushed under the carpet as he went about consolidating his power, but no, this was the worst possible mistake. Ten thousand years later, the daemon prince Angron continues to be the most active and destructive traitor primarch.
This is your Emperor's work. The Corpse God's ineptitude in simple human affairs brings about such delicious irony.
>>44558261
>The rulers seized Angron early and lobotomized him.
And whose fault is that.
>>44558293
Yours?
>>44541808
truth
>>44552494
He betrayed the Emperor.
>>44558430
Bingo.
None of the traitor Primarchs can be considered the best Primarch on account of them being traitors.
They might be better and more interesting characters, but when asked "which is the best Primarch" we should be judging what a Primarch is suppose to be and which of them fulfilled that purpose best.
>>44541835
Angron's legion are brutality incarnate. They aren't soldiers, they're butchers.
Unlike nightlords whose objective is terror, terror is a byproduct of world eater attacks.
>>44558504
>we should be judging what a Primarch is suppose to be
Better question, then: What is an Emperor supposed to be?
Not this piece of shit, that's for sure.
>>44558614
The God-Emperor is what He is. There are no others to compare Him to. That is not the case with Primarchs. And inasfar as they can be compared at all, they probably should be compared based on their performance as Primarchs.
>>44558614
The Emperor was not created for a purpose, the Primarchs were.
The best Primarch is the one that fulfilled that purpose best. Probably Girlyman, Hawk boy or Dorn.
>>44558672
You can make an argument that he was shit at the "emperor" part, too focused on the Great Crusade and his own personal projects to monitor those to whom he had delegated power.
>>44558721
A good point. He could have done a lot better as an emperor.
Fucking nepotism.
>>44558752
He made the same mistakes that plagued a lot of empires in antiquity, he expanded too fast and didn't consolidate his power and control. The Great Crusade only lasted something like 200 years, huge chunks of the Imperial government and bureaucracy post-date the Horus Heresy.
>>44541168
Being fucked over does not excuse fucking others over
>>44556470
And the Custodians these days look like Pilar Men, what's your point?
>>44558614
More importantly why does he have two left arms?
>>44556376
This one petty much hits how I picture Lotara
*pretty much*
>>44558430
Each of the Emperor's sons embodied some aspect of him, for better or worse. The Big E had ONE son in which his foresight was truly embodied, and was more accurate than his own. That son was Konrad. And the Big E took that seer and wasted his talent as a terrorist and contract killer. A visionary and a genius wasted committing murder and horror on behalf of a father who was never there for him. Meanwhile most of those murders did nothing but bring about the dark future his visions warned of.
Maybe it could have been changed. but the Big E did nothing to try it.
>>44559988
That's more a fault of the shithole planet he grew up on than anything the Emperor did.
The great tragedy of the Emperor was that he was a human who had entirely lost his humanity. He'd lived so long that logic, reason and scientific method were what almost entirely removed emotion empathy and sympathy.
Think about it. The Emperor KNEW that chaos was going to taint some of his primarch. He could see which ones they were going to be. After Ullanor the prominent race in the galaxy was going to be humans. What was the First thing the Emperor did?
He ran off to work on the webway project to free mankind from needing the warp, and thus weakening chaos. What next? He appointed Horus armaster. He trusted Horus, he couldn't see Horus' obvious problems because the Emperor couldn't perceive these issues without the use of his own psychic fuckary. After that? He recalled Dorn to fortify Terra, A planet that was in no way threatened by any external forces.
The Emperor figured he was going to be betrayed, Thats why he treated the some of the primarch he knew were damned like Lorgar like horrid little shits. He KNEW Angron wasn't long for the Galaxy. He just didn't figure that the corruption would spread like it did, because He forgot how strongheaded and resourceful humanity was because he had been cauldeling them for so long.
The Emperor was the epitome of all that a human can ever achive. What all humans strive to be. For him the great struggle was over, he wanted humanity the chance to become what he was, to become greater. For the Emperor, all he desires is to remember what it was like being a human.
>>44552908
hate to break it to you buddy, but that's how almost every world in the imperium works
41/10 thread please go on.
>>44546233
>They were a bunch of rabble that would be killed in any Legion attack. Apart from the slavery, the nobles were doing a pretty good job of ruling the planet and accepted Imperial control.
So they were already part of the Imperium when Angron and friends went on their break for freedom?
Then it's even more stupid.
There didn't need to be any fighting at all by anyone.
The Emperor could have just bought the rebelling slaves from their legal owners. There. Now they are his property and problem to deal with and we can all sit down and discuss it rather than making stupid and ill-considered decisions.
>>44560233
It being the norm doesn't make it right/good
>>44560280
There is no way they would have been sold. They needed to be killed to teach the rest of the slave population a lesson.
>>44553658
Was Magnus a spic?
>>44545675
>>44560042
Sweet head canon
>>44560825
Implying the Emperor wouldn't have brain rape the like he always does.in negotiations.
>>44563755
>Always
Dude, get your headcanon out of here.
The reason why the Emperor left Angron's slave buddies to die, and why he did nothing about the Butcher's Nails, is that he realized a fully sane Angron would never agree with his methods for uniting humanity. For Angron, the Emperor was no different from the elite that enslaved him.
So the Emperor got Angron out as he could be used, let the slaves be slaughtered by a government that peacefully accepted Imperial rule, and then he put Angron in charge of a Legion repurposed for shock and brutality, fully knowing that the Nails would eventually burn him out in some battlefield, removing him from the equation by the time he wasn't needed anymore as an instrument of war.
>>44552797
Fulgrim is a better general, a better leader, a better craftman and yes, even a better warrior than Angron.
Remember how he defeated 2 Primarchs, while Angron failed?But to be honest Fulgrim may be some sort of Mary Sue. He's good in freaking everything.
>>44541168
Angron is a piece of shit manlet and should have been killed as soon as he was found.
>>44559737
Filthy mutant! Slay him!
>>44564198
Why wouldn't he? If he can mindrape 100K Space Marines at the same time, doing it to lesser humans should be a joke.
>>44564768
Except admiring art.
He tends to get up close and too personal with a canvas.
>>44566298
I see what you did there, good sir, and I approve.
>>44559737
Genestealer magus.
High concentration of Genestealers give off psychic beacons to attract hive fleets to worlds rich in harvest.
Emperor is like a lighthouse beckoning the fleets to an entire galaxy ripe for slaughter.
The Emperors ineptitude and incompetence was actually instinctive behavior. He is subconsciously driven to set the entire galaxy to a state of perma-Chaos. In this state of Chaos it is incapable of mounting unified resistance to the Star bound ones!
THE EMPEROR IS THE PRECURSOR OF THE BUTCHER GODS! He's the true herald of the hive mind! Turn off the throne! TURN IT OFF DAMN YOU! THEY'RE COMING!
>>44552849
Sanguinius is fairly widely considered the best 1v1 fighter ever. Otherwise it'd seem that Sang, Horus, and Angron are in the top 3. Russ believes he can beat everyone but Horus for certain, and only maybe Horus, but Russ is way up his own asshole.
Ok, can I just say something here, not sure if this will be unpopular or not. Big E should have just killed Angron on the spot when he found him and crushed his soul. Let's look at this. Massive demigod already wrapped up in some ploy with the Dark Powers after being teleported to this fucking gladiator planet. Literally lost how much of his cognitive ability due to irreversible surgery. His buddies are all obviously fallen to Khorne.
>Kill him
>remake him on Terra and ensure this time Tzeentch can't lul him away
>don't let a psycho make a legion of super psychos
>you still conquer the galaxy and unite humanity
>just have to wait longer
>one would think this wouldn't be hard for someone who had lived thousands of years
Also, do the same to Mortarion. Gee my whole thing is poison and disease. Doesn't remind me of anything.
>>44567578
Oh yeah and Curze. In what world did anyone think that was a good idea?
>>44560042
>The Emperor KNEW that chaos was going to taint some of his primarch.
wat
>He could see which ones they were going to be
wat
You're full of shit. Big E was specifically walking on a tight rope in order to avoid humanity falling into chaos. He didn't know exactly how it might happen, and he did everything he could to avoid it.
>>44567578
>>44567657
He was a father who loved his sons, in spite of all their flaws. Or maybe he didn't want to rule his sons under threat of death. Maybe he thought they'd get better. Maybe trying again would be too costly an affair, time wise.
I think he just underestimated the problem. They all did his bidding for quite a while.
>>44558614
>Not this piece of shit, that's for sure.
I wonder if you were able to protect all of mankind against the Warp if you were a skeleton.
>>44567750
I definitely align with the faction that says all this happening becuase he "loved his sons" is shitty writing. I can't say I know a better way to explain the Heresy, but I also haven't given it much thought. As for being time consuming, why should he care? He's thousands of years old waiting should have been the easiest thing for him. He wouldn't have even had to tell the other sons he killed those primarchs.
Security of the Imperium > the lives of a few primarchs who literally could have been remade
>>44568342
>As for being time consuming, why should he care?
Maybe he knew that chaos would try some shit in that period to fuck with humanity, so he had to hurry, thereby bringing about his own demise, as happens in every fucking attempt to avoid fate.
>He wouldn't have even had to tell the other sons he killed those primarchs.
>implying they wouldn't find out
>Emperor summons his son and that son ends up dead
>gee, I wonder what happened
