Blood Moon (and 8ED and 9ED as a whole) still have no business here Edition
>Ban Blood Moon because while it wrecks Tron and Amulet Bloom (which is great), it also randomly snipes tricolor decks like Jund and Abzan, who need the greedy manabase to be competitive.
>Banning Blood Moon makes Amulet Bloom and Tron broken, so ban Summer Bloom and ban Urza Tron.
>The only notable cards left in 8ED and 9ED are Choke, Boil and Boiling Seas. Might as well ban them because literally nobody likes these cards. Sleight of Hand also gets removed, but Wizards loves nerfing Storm even if it sucks. There's also Ensnaring Bridge for all you people who whine about Lantern taking too long to win.
There is no good reason to defend 8ED and 9ED.
>>44534608
Tron can play around blood moon decently easy. Doesn't ruin it just slows it down
more like "I can't play around Blood Moon edition"
>>44534608
The hate for moon blows my fucking mind. 3+ color decks are not supposed to be easy to support you stupid faggot, there's a clear trade-off of power/consistency. Get fucked. /thread
What do you play from the top tiers?
I want modern to be standard edition
>>44534725
3+ colour decks aren't supposed to be easy to support, but this doesn't mean that one card should instantly end the game the moment it hits the table. Wasteland is how 3+ colour decks should be punished.
>>44534693
g2 against UR Twin. Keep or mull? Why?
>>44534750
Nothing because I'm a hipster faggot.
>>44534757
True. I'm tired of people trying to power down modern.
>>44534774
Play a basic land or two
>>44534774
It doesn't kill any 3+ color deck just by hitting the table, in fact it didn't even hurt jund nearly as much as you pretend it does.
>>44534774
Play around it or lose to free wins: the card
>>44534787
Mull, I've never played jund but I assume you'd want something like seize or claim or decay and some fetchland so you can go get a basic
>not being able to counter a single enchantment
wew lad
>>44534807
That's because Jund naturally runs red. You can search for Forests, Swamps, and Shocklands without worrying too much because the shocks will just turn into a colour you need anyway. Meanwhile Abzan has to fetch 3 colours of basics.
>>44534608
>pls ban Blood Moon
>also the entirety of 9ED and 8ED
Yeah, because modern should be standard 2.0 with the versatility and power level of a mediocre draft format. God fucking dammit what have these threads come to? Back in the day everyone hated Twin but at least they didn't bitch about Wizards keeping it unbanned.
>>44534846
First off it's called junk.
>>44534909
>RRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
reposting masterpiece
>>44534892
That picture is fucking me up.
>>44534787
I'd keep it.
Decent spread and terminate seems sufficient if they kept combo in.
okay /tg/, you're sitting across an unknown opponent, you're on the draw.
He goes simian spirit guide, blood moon, pyretic ritual, blood moon
how fucked are you?
>>44535026
pretty fugged, i only have 2 basics
>>44534787
Nope, no hand disruption T1. Which is critical on how to sequence spells later. No Fetchland to ensure a basic if absolutely necessary. Scavenging Ooze is a great threat, and Tasigur and Kolaghan's Command are great if you already know the contents of their hand if the combo is taken out or there's no roast in hand. Game one it's acceptable, game 2/3 not so much.
>>44535026
Depends on what I'm playing.
Depends on my hand.
Depends on his hand and deck.
Can't tell shit from your scenario.
The difference between your opponent having Blood Moon and not having Blood Moon is so huge that it's stupid. THIS is why it should be banned if anything. Either put Force of Will in the format or don't let a card like that run around nigh-unchecked.
>>44535026
I'd call the judge about how he has two blood moons on the table. Get a free win.
>>44535026
>simian spirit guide, blood moon
wut
>>44534750
Infect here. Currently testing the GB version that won the MOCS.
>>44535026
feels shit because it means my blood moon is dead in my hand.
>>44535026
>Esper Control
I'm gonna get reamed.
>Mono W DnT
Everything's fine.
>UR Storm
Better hope I have a Manamorphose.
>there are people in this thread RIGHT NOW who think these cards are objectively good game design and don't harm the quality of the Modern format as a whole
>some of these people even think they are HEALTHY for the Modern format as a whole
>>44535155
Seems alright. Going to run it next week.
Better have your copies ready
>>44535026
Feel relieved because I'm playing mono-black with 23 Swamps.
>>44534608
>>44535333
Your reaction when they announce this:
>Blood Moon, Summer Bloom, Urza's Tower, Urza's Mine and Urza's Power Plant are banned.
>Stoneforge Mystic and Sword of the Meek are unbanned.
>>44535382
The only thing on that list I don't want banned is Summer Bloom
>>44535382
They don't need to ban all three tron lands. Also, I'd be extremely butthurt bc tron is my easiest matchup.
>>44535333
Not in a million years.
>>44535470
>SFM hits the table
>Gets Bolted
>Fetch Batterskull
>Die before you can cast it because Modern is too fast
SFM would do literally nothing.
>>44535501
>SFM gets cast
>eats a FOW
>you die the next turn bc legacy is too fast
sfm would do literally nothing
>>44534750
Currently playing Grixis Mid-Con.
>>44535567
Good thing Stoneforge's popularity is dwindling in legacy then.
Modern decks have far more removal main board than legacy decks and could quite easily deal with Stoneforge
>>44535567
You're just saying words. They actually don't mean anything. No one would Force a SFM, and no combo decks runs Force anyway. Just keel over and die like a good little fuccboi.
>>44534608
>"Wahhh being able to counter greedy manabases is unfair" edition
>>44535569
Isn't four commands a little heavy? Hows that been working out for you?
>>44535637
There's countering a manabase, and then there's preventing your opponent from playing the game in the least. You may as well be running a one sided Armageddon for 3 mana for all the difference it makes.
>>44535026
Laugh at him and all the money he spent as I crush him with Mono-Green Stompy
>>44535333
>Not playing Green/White CoCo Equipbears with Stoneforge, Puresteel Paladin, that new one from Oath etc etc
>>44535686
The format needs cards like it to at least exist or modern will end up like standard with the mana bases.
Legacy has wasteland to counteract this
Finally, someone has removed my RUG Loam memedeck crown and placed it on their own mono G stompy head.
>>44535223
Maybe it would get better if they unbanned more cards you fucking child
Modern should be more like legacy than standard
>>44535603
Sneak and show runs force.
And people will force a stoneforge if they don't have an answer to it or the equipment it tutors will probably win the game.
>>44535026
If I'm on Jund I scoop unless I have basics in hand
Twin I giggle because he used 3 cards to do nothing of value
Impressed both ways though
>>44535686
boo who
Man up scrub. I don't hear dredge players bitching about hate half as much as people like you bitch about Blood Moon.
>>44535686
The leylines lock out certain decks from playing at all on turn 0 and I don't see anyone bitching about those.
>>44535734
mono g stompy is only ironically memed about. there were kids in the last thread (and in every thread) memeing it up with esper draw go and whether they should run 3 or 4 logic knot.
>>44535734
I think youre still king meme deck
Stompy at least puts up wins sometimes
>>44535788
inb4 ban Ravnica and M11
>>44535840
You clearly haven't tried my deck if you think it can't win. Other posters have tried it on Xmage and not only won, but enjoyed playing it.
>>44534774
>3+ colour decks aren't supposed to be easy to support, but this doesn't mean that one card should instantly end the game the moment it hits the table
Maybe you should stop being so fucking greedy in colors that can't deal with enchantments.
>Wasteland
Half the people complaining about blood moon would suffer an aneurysm if wasteland was printed into modern.
banning 8th and 9th would also ban exhaustion and boomerang and I think I would just about die if I couldn't take owling mine to modern nights. Blood moon means I win at least some games.
>>44535725
Standard's mana base isn't painful.
Modern's mana base IS painful.
What prevents 4C decks from becoming relevant is the importance of aggro strategies in Modern (mostly Burn). Playing a 4C deck taxes heavily on your life total, which is extremely punishing in this format. Isn't paying 4-6 life just to hit your colors (and you might not be able to if you don't hit your fetchlands) a fine price for greed? Why should there be an auto-win card against decks like Abzan or 4C? These decks wouldn't exactly become overpowered with a Blood Moon ban.
>>44535901
Even in legacy, Wasteland is considered a much fairer card than Blood Moon.
>>44535896
>not only won, but enjoyed playing it.
No one has ever enjoyed playing Magic.
>>44535920
People are forced to run more basics just by Blood Moon existing in the format. Of course burn punishes greedy mana bases however people would have different manabases than they do right now if Blood Moon/Choke wasn't in the format
>>44535920
does anyone remember that one open where the 4c gifts player made a 3 card pile for literally no reason and then conceded?
>>44535940
Unless you drop crucible of worlds or loam it back every turn.Lands is p. cool.
>>44535920
But Jund and Junk are tier 1, regularly topping big tournaments, affinity, bloom and tron barely play any basics and still, these decks fight through blood moon. Hell, some of them play blood moon in the main.
Maybe it's you who is bad, not Blood Moon.
Anyone else been experimenting with Ranger's Guile in infect? I'm going to start and I like it in theory, because it can give your guy cover like vines and also the slight damage boost can be helpful too
>>44536002
Jund may be tier one but it hasn't been topping tournaments for a long time.
Junk is tier 2
>>44535896
What Tier 1 decks has it beaten?
I think Ive beaten every tier 1
I have good matchups against Twin, Grixis/BUG, and Scapeshift
Fish and Affinity are probably my worst
>>44535966
Fun is a buzzword
>>44536002
>maybe you are just bad "argument"
Look man. I more or less own every Tier 1 decks in the format (and UR Twin is the deck I play the most) and even I think Blood Moon is fucking stupid. Saying a card is "manageable" doesn't mean it's good for the format.
Btw BGx is shit as long as Tron is king.
>>44536102
Blood Moon and Twin police the format, learn to not get blown out by them.
>>44535567
While you are busy casting stoneforge, I'm just going to put it into play like the dnt player I am.
>>44536129
>learn to not get blown out by them
>>44536102
>UR Twin is the deck I play the most
I don't think you understand.
>>44536043
that's because there haven't been a modern tourney of any reasonable size for months.
>>44536143
Good because seeing more dnt/hatebears in modern would be fantastic.
>>44536164
No, it's because decks like tron that have been on the upswing bog the deck down
>>44536157
Kek
>>44536193
well they should start maining shit like stone rain and crumble to dust and maybe they won't get blown out by blood moon as well.
>>44536245
If you have to main cards like crumble, then there's a problem. I have 3 in my side, and its still not enough
>>44536043
if tron keeps rising, could junk replace jund as it has a way to deal with the tron walkers and indestructible ulamog
I don't understand why people are so afraid of SFM, I mean god forbid we make white/fair decks more playable.
>>44536338
Keep her banned until I can get 2 more copies.Then reprint mother of runes.
>>44536380
I think I love you
>>44536380
Mom is too good for modern. If you can't kill it on the first turn it comes out you're fucked
>>44536299
They both have lili to deal with ulamog, and pulse hits Ugin
>>44534750
I only play Lantern Control. It fits me perfectly.
>>44536245
This creates another problem entirety and would force the deck to probably tier 3
>>44536395
Agreed. In a format centered around creatures, Mom provides too much support for a single mana or a turn 1 play.
>>44536299
Generally just casting ulamog seals the game, Junk/Jund is not what you want to be playing into tron.
Also Junk is much worse if burn is present
>>44536395
>More incentive to play edicts and wraths is bad in Lightning Bolt: The Format.
While we're at it, reprint pic related.
>>44536338
White actually becomes decent and hatebears becomes a real deck. Oh the shame.
>>44536533
but rhino and finks
>>44536619
Your manabase kills you
>>44536558
Psssh
The best Vintage Hatebears is White Trash and it mainboards Kataki over Stoneforge
Turns out its better to not let you opponents have artifacts then have them yourself
>>44536927
Why are you even talking about Vintage? How is that even relevant?
The closest is Dnt in Legacy which certaintly runs 4x Stoneforge
>>44536927
Makes sense in vintage, not so much in modern.
I've been doing pretty good with it at my local store. 2 4-0, 1 3-1, 1 2-2 so far with it.
The mana base is working, and isn't always consistent, but it's a low mana count and 3 color, so what are you going to do.
Any ideas for it? Potential cards to look at?
>>44536338
https://www.strawpoll.me/6314497/
Based on this poll, most people (on /tg/) are behind the unban, they just don't think it will happen.
>>44536981
Wizards is known for caving into pressure
>>44535026
I'm laughing as I play skred
>>44536968
Just saying that stoneforge is only as good as the meta lets it be
Its only a force in legacy because of mom
>>44536539
I'd love to see Innocent Blood in modern.
>>44536978
I have nothing constructive to say but I love your promo GGs
>>44536978
spicy spike jesters
What do you guys think of this build?
It's less meme then Ledrazi.
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Arid Mesa
3 Stomping Ground
2 Sacred Foundry
3 Copperline Gorge
2 Forests
2 Mountains
4 Goblin Guides
4 Wild Nacatl
4 Kird Ape
4 Burning Tree Emissary
4 Flinthoof Boar
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Ghor Clan Rampager
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Atarkas Command
4 Tarfire
Does this look like a solid list? Any recommendations or feedback?
>>44537188
I'm quite partial to strangleroot geist and experiment one in zoo.
>>44537077
Thanks, I really do prefer the art on the GP promo ones.
>>44537173
People really don't see them coming, and can be crazy explosive if you played a Piledriver the previous turn.
>>44537188
That's basically just Gruul Zoo, you could run 4 or 3 companies or vials which is what a lot of zoo decks do
>>44535026
I put down Urza's Mine, Cast a Chromatic Star and pass the turn.
>>44537188
I'm digging it.
Nothing is really sticking out to me as something to add, other then reworking the mana base, and replacing tarfire with Path.
>>44536978
I would suggest at least 2 Rabblemaster
I dont think Mogg Fanatic is the best, i like spike jester tho, never would have thought of him
Maybe Goblin Chieftain? I think you need at least 4 3 cmcs or you could get chalice of the voided at 1 and 2 and have nothing
I like it though, ive been trying to figure out a good way to play modern goblins
>>44537231
I do like strangleroot geist. Experiment One although he's your best first turn play he is honestly the worst topdeck you could possibly draw, because you've dropped all your creatures so you can't really buff him anymore so he'll just be a vanilla 1/1.
>>44535333
i allready have 4 between my various edh decks
>>44537363
>being proud of being casual scum
>>44537287
>replace tarfire with path
I'd rather throw in searing blaze if I need more removal. Tarfire is for burning them out and buffing Goyf who is your best creature, the 2 damage is underrated , yes it's no bolt but it can help close out the game and it generally makes goyf a 5/6 or 6/7.
>tfw all the twin players in my area keep telling me how much they hope summer bloom gets banned
how come copperhorn scout is only a 1of in most elves decks? it seems like good way to power out your biggest mosnter in the deck with a few dorks and a chord
>>44537231
Just play Mono-Green Stompy
Thats my first 2 turns most games
Most people dont expect it and most decks dont really have cards to sideboard for it
>>44537399
Twin's a lot more fair. It doesn't win on turn 2, is much easier to stop, and if their combo doesn't work, they have a 1/4
If Bloom can't get their hivemind on you, they still have a Prime Time that probably came down turn 1.
>>44537460
>twins a lot more fair
Best deck in the format is fair? Okay
>>44537399
Why? Twin shits on Amulet
>>44537484
The players at my LGS aren't very good
>>44537068
It's also played in Esper blade decks or UWR Delver lists sometimes
It's not good exclusively because of mom
>>44537399
>tfw all the twin players are faggots all the time
>>44537460
To get a primetime you need a 5 card combo
To kill one turn 1 with hivemind you need a 6 card combo
I hate faggots like you that exaggerate the deck. I bet you play twin
>>44537522
>It's also played in Esper blade decks or UWR Delver lists sometimes
It gets the only aggro cards for bad control decks
Better delver decks would use monastery mentor and/or young pyromancer for aggro
>>44537533
I can't even imagine the collective outrage if wotc ever banned an important card in twin
I'm pretty sure there would be actual suicides
>>44537550
Turn 2 kills dont even happen that often
The guy who kept getting turn 2 kills was caught cheating
>>44537604
Why does URx bring out the worst in autists?
>>44537550
this
as an infect player, i swear i get turn 2 combos more often than bloom
>>44537635
I think Affinity turn 2's more often than Bloom
>>44537658
as that infect player, affinity's turn 2 combo against me definitely happens more often than blooms
I just have no idea how to beat affinity game 1 as infect in general
>>44537688
Dismember?
>>44537658
It also isn't blown out by Remand as hard.
>>44537743
Honestly I'm surprised there is so much hate for the amulet bloom deck. I get being salty about being turn 1 or 2 comboed on occasions but really any amount of interaction just shits down amulet blooms throat
Remand, thoughtseize, path to exile, terminate, anything that can kill amulet all just blow the deck out.
>>44537378
Good points, yeah you might have the right idea there
I want to get into modern. I want to play Either a deck with goyf.
>>44537971
That is t1 sorry I dont know why I forgot to finish the rest.
>>44537991
>>44537971
Only tier one deck with Goyf is Jund
>>44535982
I do
>>44535982
wat
Skullclamp needs to be unbanned. Only scrubs cry to keep it banned
>>44537803
It got popular to hate after a couple tournaments where cheaters were palming their starting hands, which brought it into the public eye. So everyone hears about this modern Turn 2 deck and jumps on the bandwagon, but after it of course turns out that cheaters aren't a good indicator of a deck's power its too late and people's opinion is decided regardless of any real evidence. Even pros on cfb and shit will lose on t3 game one, then spend the next two games watching them flounder and do nothing all while complaining about how decks like that "shouldn't exist in modern."
>>44535026
>ancient tomb
2
>ssg
2R
>ritual
RRRR
>ritual
RRRRR
>blood moon
RR
>chalice on 1
your go.
>>44538019
Thank you. I thought Abzan was the hotstuff right now? Ok what are T1 decks with Snapcaster?
>>44538621
Twin is the only tier one deck with Snapcaster.
Junk is terrible at the moment and Jund isn't far behind
>>44538638
Every deck that plays fair is pretty shit at the moment. Though Abzan has a better matchup against Tron than Jund at least.
Why does everyone moan and hate affinity so much? other decks can win just as early.
It's just efficient aggro and there are plenty of cards to disrupt them harshly
>>44535026
What do you think?
>>44538907
Go play solitaire elsewhere, Anon.
>>44539090
Spoken by someone who doesn't know the deck.
>>44539114
As a judge who had to go to overtime several rounds during several events that faithful summer, I beg to differ. And no, i'm not banned.
>>44538810
People hate everything in Magic. Most of the time the hate is unfounded.
That being said, there's some things that have a legitimate reason to hate. There is no reason to hate Affinity, it is probably one of the fairest decks to lose to.
What I hate about Modern is that there is some part of the metagame that is completely not possible to interact with on Game 1. You sit down across from your opponent and he Blood Moons you. Or they Living End you. Or he Bloom Titans you. Or they sling burn spells at your face until you die. And before it was banned into the ground, Eggs was fucking around.
I don't like this about the game because it just says, "You don't get to play the game." And that's hypocritical because my favorite way to play the game is to lock my opponent utterly out. I like counter-locking them or just killing all their lands. But the things I listed above have no Game 1 interaction - you just sit there and take it and most of the time you lose. And the reason, "Play a deck that is not vulnerable to it" is not a good reason. Because there is absolutely no way to avoid all those forms of bullshit. All those decks just wait to pull their crap and either they lose or you win. You didn't even play a game. You're either rushing to win or they achieve inevitability. I'm not saying creatures slapping each other is the only way to play but there is no maindeck option that resists Burn, Bloom Titans, Living End, or Blood Moon.
And let me tell you, I've done it to people. One night at FNM I timed the amount of actual time I played and I played about one hour for the 3.5 hours I was there. Most of that one hour was shuffling. I just sat across from my opponent and utterly combo'd them out repeatedly. It was a waste of my time doing that. It was fun at first, but it gets really lame.
>>44539187
>calls Affinity fair
"Sorry I got 10 power on board by turn two. Atleast it feels like you played a game of Magic?"
>>44539268
Goryo can get bigger -potentially game ending - threats out on turn two.
Infect can kill turn 2
Turn 3 karn
I can go on
What's your point.
>>44539187
>affinity is one of the fairest decks to lose to
I love getting hit for 10 infect on one turn by an inkmoth
or 20 over over two turns by ravager/plating
or going to 8 before stabilizing and getting double galvanic blasted out
I have no problem with the deck, but it is no where near "fair" in the mtg sense of the word.
>>44539268
There are a dozens of removal options to slap multiple tiny creatures off the battlefield and most of them are reasonable maindeck choices.
Tell me how you're supposed to have good maindeck cards against burn, Blood Moon, or Eggs win-cons. Or Living End's turn 3 or turn 4 instant army.
>>44539163
Fair, but eggs doesn't play the same way it used to. The combo is a lot faster to perform and easier to demonstrate a loop now.
>>44539187
Unban Second Sunrise.
Can you people stop comparing tron to fucking bloom titan? Tron is ridiculously more fair than bloom. Oh no karn on turn 3? Gee its almost like a mana ramp deck! Oh no! How much damage, realistically, does karn do on turn 3 other than distract you? Bloom titan can WIN on 3, ill just play karn and pass on 3. Wew.
>>44539327
My point?
Check >>44539333
>>44539448
I think Bloom Titan and Tron are both on the wrong side of the line. You can't interact with either. Just because Bloom Titan kills faster both decks do some pretty degenerate stuff. If you Turn 3 Karn and you're ahead you Vinidcate a land and probably land screw them. If you are behind you Vindicate their threat, which you can do again next turn because it's Karn. Karn is a pretty ridiculous 2-for-1. Tron can reliably get him out pretty fast. If not that then a Wurmcoil.
Bloom Titan has the same check as Karn. Either you counter that thing or lose. Karn just kills a bit slower. But both are outrageously difficulty to interact with.
>>44535116
git gud
>>44535223
holy shit 1v1 a gun you whiny casual cuck
>>44539524
>what are counterspells
>what is artifact removal/abrupt decay
>what is bolt (on karn)
>what is land destruction/spreading seas
>what is (the topic of this thread), blood moon
Are you even trying to interact?
>>44535686
cry moar faget
>>44536102
>Saying a card is "manageable" doesn't mean it's good for the format.
holy shit look at the butthurt casual btfo
protip owning a deck doesn't magically make you a good player so git gud or git rekt
>>44537188
Change tarfire to a 1x, add 2x domri and dunno, maybe a path
>>44539338
>good maindeck cards against burn
Finks, dispel, Inquisition of Kozilek, Spellskite, and painless lands
>Good maindeck cards against Blood Moon
Basics. Also discard, counterspells, instant speed permanent removal a la Abrupt Decay/Maelstrom Pulse, Quasali Pridemage
Also: Holy shit, maybe weakness to other decks is part of what you consider while choosing a deck. You can't expect to be be 50/50 or better in every matchupunless you're miracles in legacy. Trying to balance the game around that just gets you current standard.
>>44536978
What are your matchups like?
What's your sideboard?
>>44539163
lmao look at this scrub
perhaps you aren't cut out for this
>>44539268
dies
to
removal
>>44539333
its called getting outplayed you fucking casual, fuck off or man up
/tg/ is full of whiny casual cucks who suck maro and scgs cocks until the nasty decks that hurt their precious timmy fee fees are banned
all of you need to speedrun a gallon if bleach for the sake of the hobby
>>44539187
From a LE player, here is a cap of all G1 answers you have to Living End:
>scavenging ooze (GBX)
>Archbound Ravager (affinity)
>relic of progenitus (tron)
>LE not relevant to gameplay (Scapeshift, Ad Nauseam, partially Bloom)
>Any counter, including remand (UWR, UW, Merfolk, Twin)
>>44539672
Next time a meme deck like this runs rampant, I'll just let you sit there while I'll go to the toilet. Okay?
>>44539998
do you take daily aspirin, because that level of salt must be wrecking your arteries harder than an eggs player wrecked your scrub ass at FNM
>>44539998
Okay Kibler.
>>44538545
>>ancient tomb
>2
hoho
Fuck eldrazi decks.
SCG Cincinatti open happening right now. There was a Mono B Eldrazi deck.
>>44540848
Link
>>44541001
see mtgcoverage for the match
>rage out last night at losing my last round making me 6/3/0 so I don't day 2 in Cincinnati.
>played living end, and was surrounded by living end players all day
>relics are 5-10 bux now
Now I just need one of those goobers to win so I can sell my janky deck and make bank.
>>44541512
I'll give you a hundred bucks for it
Isn't this card pretty good for RG Tron?
>>44535982
wasn't it that black guy who writes the free articles on SGC?
>>44541877
I fucking hate listening to Rich Hagon.
There are so many decent or better commentators and yet they use this guy. wtf?
>>44535026
i would pull out my dick and piss in his ass hole
>>44537688
If you're playing the matchup that often, you could try twisted image in the main.
>>44539688
There is a definition of fair and unfair in Magic. Doesn't mean it's bad to play those, it's just a deck categorization, stop being so fucking salty, Jesus.
>>44535223
>>44539659
>Instant speed permanent removal a la abrupt decay/maelstrom pulse
>instant speed
>maelstrom pulse
>>44541678
Ancient Stirrings is far better for the deck
someone fill me in on what eldrazi control is.
>>44542418
The goal isn't to replace it.
>>44542422
Eldrazi Temple + Eye of Ugin and the new Eldrazis from BFZ.
>>44542431
i keep hearing that it is bad tron? is this true
>>44542431
Tron doesn't have any room for it though.
And they are hardly able to produce any colored mana. Adding another green card will mess with the deck.
>>44542454
No, it's got similar elements to tron but its much more of a midrange deck with a big lategame.
It seems to have very sporadic matchups, either theyre very good or very bad.
>>44542560
what are the match ups?
>>44537604
Well they could banBlood Moon
>>44542568
It's great vs GBx and tokens, other midrange style decks. Its bad vs merfolk and burn, the real aggro decks. It obviously does well vs grixis and gy reliant decks.
Changes are being made regularly and 3 different colours so far are being tested widely so give it a month or so for a real winner of those to appear and more data on more specifics.
>>44541678
Why would you want it in Tron?
>>44542615
Digs for what you want?
>most of the arguments against a Blood Moon ban is insulting those for a Blood Moon ban
Lol, what you don't realize is how close Blood Moon is being watched by the DCI right now (alongside Amulet of Vigor). And there are no better bans to shake up Modern for the Pro Tour (Twin nerf, Jund buff, Abzan buff, Tron buff) and there is a very real chance of this happening in two weeks. Something like:
>Blood Moon and Amulet of Vigor are banned.
>Sword of the Meek is unbanned.
ey lads
i'm interested in mtg but my friends only play commander
i said fuck that and want to play standard like a real man
are there decent premade decks or should i just start buying singles to build a meta deck?
>>44543029
>>44543029
definitely but singles to build a meta deck. If standard is bigger than modernin your area, that's a fine format, but it's way more expensive in the long run since your cards will become worthless like once a year. Modern is more expensive upfront, but the cards are good indefinitely.
>>44543029
get out
>>44543097
>the cards are good until wotc decides to ban them
Ftfy
>>44542688
What would you take out though? If you cut eggs to put this in it'll just make it harder to get Tron online T3.
>>44543029
I'll add that mtgtop8 and mtggoldfish are good places to start looking at decks you might like. You can download xmage to test them. Also watch old coverage to get a feel for different formats. If you're not gonna be super competitive/if you don't want to sink a bunch of money into the game, just buy a commander precon and play with your friends.
>>44543141
don't play a gimmicky, broken deck? Wizards isn't banning something like Jund or twin ever.
>>44542798
Argument against a blood moon ban:
The only reason it's good is because the meta is in a place where decks can only afford to play a couple basics. Many decks pack answers to blood moon, and those that don't need to. Its a 3 mana spell that's not impossible to play around.
>>44543029
I think blood moon is fine to stay, but there is an argument to be made that they should probably ban Simian Spirit Guide though. Turn 1 blood moon as the only real "wincon" is kind of lame.
>>44543484
that would also stop t1 amulet kills, which everyone on here seems to be bitching about.
>>44543484
Simian Spirit Guide isn't the problem piece though. Besides I play Ad Nauseam so if SSG is banned it becomes ridiculously harder to win.
>>44543507
I wish they would just say fuck it yall figure it out and reprint Armageddon, Pox, Good card draw in red and blue and fast mana in black.
>>44543562
Kills grishoalbrand too.
>>44543581
I, too, wish I could afford to play legacy
>>44543562
It absolutely is a problem piece. It breaks the rules of the game in a format without force of will to deal with it.
>>44543581
They refuse to print the "feel bad" cards. I want smokestack and sphere of resistence
>>44543619
>SSG
>Force of Will
You can't counter Simian Spirit Guide's ability with Force of Will. Rethink what you just said.
>>44543592
Do they still play SSG? I thought they moved away from it.
>>44543655
Do you often just use SSG and then pass your turn?
>>44543665
You need free mana for the combo to work early.
Yes/No?
>>44543717
No.
Preordain though.
Been out of the game for a long time. What are the top tier decks right now? Which is funniest to pilot?
>>44543695
Who said anything about playing SSG and passing the turn?
You said that SSG is the problem piece and that it breaks the rules of the format without force of will to deal with it. You can't deal with SSG with Force of Will.
>>44543743
Well first of all I was not the one who said that. Second you have to be a special kind of stupid if you didn't understand what he meant. You have to use that mana for something and that something can most likely be countered.
>>44543717
Yes.
Yes/No?
>>44543778
>Well first of all I was not the one who said that.
So why even say anything then in the first place?
>Second you have to be a special kind of stupid if you didn't understand what he meant.
No not really, you have to be a super special kind of stupid if you don't paraphrase exactly what you're trying to say or do in regards to specifics in MTG. This is MTG where rules and interactions are pedantic, if you're specifically saying something one way i'm going to believe that's exactly what you're saying. Not some obtuse version of what i'm supposed to guess what you're trying to say but isn't what you say exactly. Believe me there are people who will try and counter SSG ability with a counterspell.
>You have to use that mana for something and that something can most likely be countered.
Sure and most things that are aiming to combo off something for 1 with SSG on turn 1 is usually Amulet Bloom aiming to put an Amulet of Vigor in play before even playing their bounceland for Summer Bloom into 6 mana grabbing a Primeval or Hivemind. The whole "turn 1 Blood Moon" deck isn't even established yet with any results, so unless it starts showing up predominantly everywhere and dominating then there's no actual real danger to the format in that regard. Disrupting Shoal is still legal in Modern and if turn 1 plays for 1 mana cards were a big oppressive problem to the format you'd see much more blue decks playing it.
>>44543717
No. As much as I would like it to come off it shouldn't. Ponder could come off though.
>>44543934
I hope you mean preordain. Ponder is leagues better than anything in modern now.
>>44543908
In this situation though you're just genuinely retarded.
SSG's only purpose, with absolutely no other purpose, is to generate mana faster than would be otherwise possible.
The purpose of mana is to be spent. Spent on something that FoW will most likely be able to counter.
You're just an inbred moron. Infer from context or kill yourself you fucking autist.
>>44543953
Honestly, i'll be fine with either. Or any of these combinations:
Serum+Ponder but no Preordain
Serum+Preordain but no Ponder
Ponder+Preordain(a man can dream) but no Serum Visions.
Of course last case will never happen because then what will they do with all their FNM promos? And I don't even like playing blue decks in Modern.
>>44543908
I'm pretty sure he said to deal with SSG and not to counter it. You deal with it by negating the positive effect so if you counter whatever they use the extra mana on you have dealt with it.
You made a stupid post on 4chan it's not the end of the world, but stop trying to sound smart to save face.
>>44544063
>I'm pretty sure he said to deal with SSG and not to counter it
No, he didn't. If you're bringing up Force of Will and then stating it to try and "deal with SSG" then it's pretty fucking stupid since it doesn't actually deal with SSG at all.
"It absolutely is a problem piece. It breaks the rules of the game in a format without force of will to deal with it." - Retard anon who fails basic English comprehension.
Key context here what has been written is "It(referring to SSG) breaks the rules of the game in a format without force of will to deal with it(again referring to SSG)"
>You deal with it by negating the positive effect so if you counter whatever they use the extra mana on you have dealt with it.
All Force of Will will do is result in your opponent doing the same and pushing the format to be playing predominantly more blue decks.
>>44544028
As long as I never have to play postordain again I'm happy
Who #SCGCIN in this bread
>>44544027
No in this situation you're genuinely a fuckwit if you're trying to defend someone who incorrectly states what they mean. If you say and state one thing but choose to mean something else then say that other thing in the fucking first place you turkey milking paint sniffing faggot.
The obsession with "fairness" is what makes Modern stagnant. Half of the decks in the format are the exact same fucking thing: who the fuck cares if Junk has Rhinos and Jund has Huntmasters? Who the fuck cares if they're tapping Goblin Guides or tapping Goyfs? I don't understand how people can possibly want to turn the format into smashing creatures against each other and throwing down Bolts in a "fair" meta.
I honestly believe this format would be greatly improved if they just hated all aggro and memerange out of the format. Print "W - Destroy all creatures" or something. Make the matchups Slow Combo > Control > Fast Combo > Slow Combo.
>>44544449
It's the weirdest thing, Modern has lots of removal and sweepers. Yet aggro and midrange decks are still prevalent.
>>44544194
>>44544429
So what are your thoughts on anus mana, friend?
:^)
>>44544194
Okay, let me explain to you why you're a fucking idiot, not just in terms of Magic but in general.
>No, he didn't. If you're bringing up Force of Will and then stating it to try and "deal with SSG" then it's pretty fucking stupid since it doesn't actually deal with SSG at all.
You're the only one who thinks SSG exiling itself and generating one red mana is the situation with which you must deal. You're the only one who's so monstrously mentally deficient you think that's a useful ability in a vacuum, or one that should be evaluated in a vacuum at all.
He explicitly said "deal with it". "It" is very fucking obviously what SSG does. What SSG does is enable extremely fast mana acceleration into degenerate combo pieces before establishing a large mana base, which is EXACTLY what FoW deals with, you fucking mongoloid cocksucking faggot.
"Dealing with it" is a figurative fucking term. Or do you think he literally is giving it out in SSG poker or some other moronic bullshit niggerbrained autism you can cook up?
>All Force of Will will do is result in your opponent doing the same and pushing the format to be playing predominantly more blue decks.
This is a completely different argument than your lack of basic reading comprehension from your Down's syndrome.
You're a waste of air, go headbutt a plane turbine.
>>44544429
Eat shit, Virt.
>>44544449
Being stagnant isn't a problem as long as it isn't stale, which it is if there's no interactivity and games aren't decided off player skill but deck choice and goldfishing.
>>44544498
Doesn't bother me really. I understand why it's done but don't think it was necessarily needed.
>Tron is crushing every other deck
>Affinity and Burn follow suite because they have a good Tron matchup
>everything else more or less got filtered out by Tron (Jund and Abzan are very unlikely to Top 8 in such a meta)
>UR Twin and Grixis Twin suffering a similar fate (the Tron matchup isn't as easy anymore considering Ulamog is pretty much a T4 or T5 kill, mainboard Spellskite and the insane anti-Twin tech in the sideboard)
Oh, and 2 Eldrazi on Day 2. The deck is shit
>>44544583
>Oh, and 2 Eldrazi on Day 2. The deck is shit
How many were there on Day 1?
TINY
>>44543741
Twin, Jund, affinity, bloom titan, Infect, burn, laturn. I'm not really sure what the funniest one is. Probably laturn because its really just a pile of random cards.
