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How can I make a full Terminator list work? Big squads out of fortifications? Small deep striking squads? Got 25 Terminators that I want to use.
For those not with us a few hours ago, there are some news from the GW's 40th anniversary, more pics by following the link: http://battlebunnies.blogspot.hr/
>>44527783
he looks a bit tanned.
>>44527691
So is it true Book 6 is coming? With White Scars and Blood Angels? Or just a rumour?
>>44528186
>Or just a rumour?
There are no rumors with FW, all the info we have is straight from their mouth given at FW open days or similar events. It has ALWAYS been true that the next book will have WS/DA/BA special rules and RoW along with shattered legion army list and errant knights plus RoW for every other legion.
>>44528186
That book was up next, no change there. The difference is that they confirmed that the books are on the boat, so it shouldn't be too long until its released.
>>44528430
>>44528257
Oh damn. Any info on when it'll arrive?
>>44528495
Probably around the next weekender in Februari if I had to guess?
>>44528495
February, it'll probably be out at the open day then sold on their site a couple of weeks after that.
>>44527737
what model? Cata? tartaros?
>>44529189
Indomitus and Catas.
>>44529203
How many of each?
Which Legion?
I take it you are new, as terminators can't Deepstrike in 30k without special provisions.
R8 my squats. This list needs a title.
HQ-
- Force Commander(Carapace armor, Planetary Overlord, Cyber Familiar, Melta Bombs, Survivors of the Dark Age, Abhuman Helots)-200
- Discipline Master Cadre(4x Discipline Masters, 4x Carapace armor, 4x Melta Bombs, 2x Refractor Field)-130
Troops-
- 20x Grenadiers(18x Lasrifles, 2x Rotor cannons, Power Axe, Advanced Weapons)-165
- 20x Grenadiers(18x Lasrifles, 2x Rotor cannons, Power Axe, Advanced Weapons)-165
- 10x Fire Support Teams(10x Autocannons)-250
- 10x Fire Support Teams(10x Missile Launchers, Flak Missiles)-300
- Reconnassiance Squad (Demo Charge, Sniper Rifles)-80
Elites-
- Medicae Detachment(6x Medicae Orderlies)-70
- 6x Sentinels (6x Heavy Flamers)-180
Heavy Support-
- 3x Heavy Ordinance Battery(Medusas, 3x Breacher Shells, 2x extra crew)-321
- 3x Heavy Ordinance Battery(Medusas, 3x Breacher Shells, 2x extra crew)-321
- 3x Heavy Ordinance Battery(Medusas, 3x Breacher Shells, 1x extra crew)-318
2500/2500
>>44527737
Spartans and Mastodons.
If you had an Alpha Legion army, what would you take for your Rewards of Treason? Iron Havocs deep striking from Armillus Dynat's rule sounds like fun.
>>44530550
Tyrant Siege terminators would be better.
>>44527783
The more I look at this the more it looks like cawcaw is startled and terrified by a single mehreen
Armillus Dynat deep striking using Hammerstrike Assault with aome Destroyers.
Retarded or no? I have a counts-as Dynat proxy I wanna use and fluffwise my character for him favours proscribed weaponry. I have also wanted to field Destroyers since I first heard of him.
>>44530706
Since I first heard of them, rather.
Also, what are your favoured loadouts for Lernaeans? I'm ordering Volkite Chargers to build my BaC Catapractii into them, and am considering Power Fists. Built my BaC Cataphractii Praetor into a Lernaean Harrower with Plasma Blaster, Power Dagger and Power Fist, but will probably reallocate the PB to one of his squad members. Just wanted to see if I could readily kitbash the PB mostly.
>Some Info from the Bday Event:
Crusade Imperialis Red Book
This will contain all the army lists from Solar Auxilia, Militia and Warp Cults as well as Knight Households. Simply put - everything that does not already have a Red Book available. No planned changes, may have a few rules tweaks but probably not any points value changes. The new Knight chassis' like the Warden will be included as well as the up-to-date wargear like the Gatling cannon.
Legion Crusade Red Book
This is going to be a straight re-print with the latest units like the Leviathan, Xiphon, Damocles Command Rhino etc added. No points values changes as FW are happy with the points values but some units may have added rules or abilities to reflect their higher points cost.
Istvaan Campaign Red Book
This book will see the biggest changes. Several Legion-elite units are having rules tweaks but not points value changes, as they are under-performing compared to newer units. Units like Phoenix Guard and Justearin are top of the list for changes. The original four Legions from Betrayal are also having some of their Legiones Astartes rules tweaked but not massively changed. Emperors Children for example are going to have more advantages if they charge in assault whilst Sons of Horus are having Merciless Fighters changed. The SoH rule has gone through a lot of changes of which one possible change could be bonuses with certain weapons like pistols and other weapons not mentioned, at short range. I didn't get details for other changes.
Book 6
No collectors edition coming. Contains lots of Rites of War of which loads in other threads has been written. One detail on the White Scars RoW is that it will focus on bikes and other quick units. The other WS RoW is shared with the Shattered Legions and represents some of the tactics of the WS legionaries thrown out by Jaghatai for supporting Horus - these tactics are then picked up by "dodgy" Shattered Legion forces.
>>44531858
Specialist Games
Forge World is effectively being divided into three parts all overseen by Tony Cottarel in an Emperor Palpatine-esq way (in my mind at least). One section is led by Alan Bligh and will continue producing all the normal 40k, 30k and Age of Sigmar that we are used to. Second section is led by Andy Hoare and is focusing on the traditional specialist games that we would recognise from the past like Necromunda, Blood Bowl etc. The final section is going to focus on Lord of the Rings. Each section includes the manager and three developers.
In terms of models, there will be a core focus in plastic in the starting box sets that will be designed by the SG department and then manufactured by the main Studio. Blood Bowl is currently in development but mentions were made about Adeptus Titanicus coming back to its roots of a Titan vs Titan game set in the heresy and additional Necormunda gangs made in resin. All of this is still in very early days of development and chat. The new department opens officially on the 18th January.
One final point is that the main GW Studio is not going to develop the Horus Heresy / Age of Darkness as that it staying within FW. This may include further plastics however as FW may be branching into plastic manufacture in the future as mentioned with the traditional specialist games above.
Imperial Armour 16
This is Red Scorpions with Ad. Mech allies fighting Tau on an abandoned Forge World. The Red Scorpions will have lots of Legion equipment like Leviathans and Kharbydis Assault Claws with 40k rules while the Ad. Mech will have a lot of the 30k vehicles ported to 40k without Volkite or Battle-Automata. Mention was made of possible resin Skitarii upgrades.
>>44531880
New models
Corax looks much better painted and close up than he does in the pictures as do the new Raven Guard assault troops. The Ordinatus has been modelled with a volcano cannon and to my mind, looks better for it. The Warlord is getting new weapons - a plasma weapon and a siege claw with an inbuilt Vulcan Mega-bolter in the same way as the Contemptor CC weapons. Head hunters appear to be upgrades as opposed to new kit but it does confirm they only have combi-bolters. The Thousand Sons upgrades look great painted and the metallic FW scheme looks awesome "in the flesh". Can't wait to see this scheme on vehicles.
Book 7
This is confirmed for later publication this year. It has been confirmed as Prospero so get your flea powder ready for the all the VIth Legion froth that is going to emerge. Personally, I want to see Sisters of Silence and Custodes models.
Horus Heresy Masterclass Book
I almost feel dirty looking at this book as it is basically pornography for gamers. Does not contain full legion painting guides as we once thought but it does have the details for several key units and for Imperial Fist players, a good guide for painting yellow. It also contains guides for the two big terrain builds on the display boards like Calth and that looks helpful. Haven't had a proper look through it yet, but I'll squeeze a good look in later.
>>44531880
>mentions were made about Adeptus Titanicus coming back to its roots of a Titan vs Titan game set in the heresy
I have to wonder if this will be for the current titan models or if they'll start selling their 3-downs version of those models as a box set, that would be baller as fuck.
>>44531941
Lol of course it will be for their 6mm versions or whatever scale they decide on. If you know people with multiple 28mm Titans I'm sure you can post the rules over easily.
>>44530113
Man, I wish SW would get some ranged terminator stuff so that I don't have to do this. I really like terminators, but hiding them away in a big expensive metal bawx is not my idea of fielding terminators.
Hey, I'm a total newb to this game but I'm putting together a 2000 pt EC army using their special Rite of War. I'm a little curious if anyone has any advice on how to handle troops here. Do I go cheap for just guys in rhinos but risk a smaller initial force getting hammered? Would big flootslogging groups do better, or be too slow, even with the EC's extra speed? Should I try to minimize troops for Elites or Fast Attacks instead?
So basically, give me the low down on how Tacticals play in 30k
>>44531880
>imperial Armor 16
What is Imperial Armor 14 and 15?
HopefullyOrks
>>44532494
14 was Vraks
15 was Mymeara
>>44532494
Why so you can watch the Orks get fucked up again?
I think Deimos rhinos look like ass, and would rather use the tree as a half gorillion Mars pattern rhinos I hve available for 30k.
The only friend I have who plays 30k and I myself both do not give a fuck, but how common is the type of autistic player who would throw a shitfit about the use of Mars pattern (40k) Rhinos?
>>44532755
All sorts of typos here, but I'm walking home from work and posting from mobile so give me a break.
>>44531880
>>44531901
Well this all looks good to me. Too bad there was no Word on Dorn's model and looks like IF unique units (Phalanx Wardens do nothing for the price) won't get any rule tweaks either. Such is life as the 7th Legion...
>>44532883
Dont worry bro, we got the best tacticals, vanilla veteran tacticals and beat stick.
I hope our new RoW is more offensive, would love to have one around devastators.
>>44532400
>>44532400
You are playing Emperor's Children?
You pretty much need Artificer armor and a Spear on your Sargent at all times. This is so you can use your good initiative in challenges.
Then, the Vexilia is great.
You then either put 20 dudes on foot with an Apothecary, or you take 10 men and a Rhino/Drop pod (well, no drop pod without Orbital Assault).
If you do take a rhino, Dozer blade is mandatory.
It's definitely easier to start with the Rhino, although the rhino can't be expanded upon.
I'd start with the Rhino as EC for the speed and mobile wall, and that way you don't pay for 10 more tacticals that aren't your sarge (who will challenge).
>>44532569
Wasn't Vraks IA 5- 2nd edition?
The last one was IA 11:2nd edition.
>>44532755
When ever you encounter one of them, tell them to open Book 3 on page 127 and see pic related or Book 1 on page 147 for not only a Mars pattern rhino in the background, but a post Mk. II Phobos Land Raider (aka. normal plastic LR), and laugh at them. Point and laugh. There's also a Mk. V castaferrum dread in one of the books (aka. regular plastic dread).
I agree with the Deimos. I don't look down on people who do enjoy it, but I would have rather have them remake the old Rhino than this fan conversion.
>>44532605
But Orks won IA8.
>>44533131
You've definitely put me at my ease. Cheers, man.
>>44533103
Thanks, that sounds pretty legit.
>>44533405
Don't forget your extra CCW for your Tacticals.
Have fun
>>44533552
Yup, that was the plan, make the most of the EC. Nothing on the rhino aside from the Dozer blade, eh?
>>44533103
Is an apothecary how mandatory on 20 dudes? I'm making a small contingency of SM to ally with my Militia and want to keep my Elite slot open for future investments. I was gonna go with 20 foot slogging and 10 in a rhino as the Troops.
>>44532569
>15 was Mymeara
But Mymeara was 11... It says "Second Edition", every other volume which says that kept its original numbering (Everything except the Vraks volumes 5/6/7, Kastorel-Novem 8 which hasn't been reprinted yet, and the Badab volumes 9/10 which haven't been reprinted yet).
Taros Campaign is still 3, Anphelion Project is still 4, etc.
>>44532755
Forgeworld have specifically said that MKic Rhinos and MKiib Land Raiders were in service in limited but growing numbers across all legions during the end of the Great Crusade, and have specifically said it's fine to use standard plastic 40K rhinos and land raiders in legion forces.
It's not the core aesthetic they'll be focusing on for the vehicles and variants that they design for the period, but it is in absolutely no way historically inaccurate, and forgeworld don't think that should matter even if it was because all sorts of variants, from unique experiments to "missing links", were deployed throughout the legions of the time.
Buy legion-specific doors if you want to keep the beardiest players at bay, they look good and they aren't available for the MKic/MKiib variants.
>>44534174
Excellent, excellent. I'll be running three 10 man tacticals in rhinos for the requisite 3 troops choices for Coils of The Hydra, and mounting my BaC tacticals in Mars pattern Rhinos will help.
>>44533103
Okay, here's a good EC question for anyone.
Jetbikes look awesome so I want them. But what's the best way to use them? Should they be shooty, or should I try to use them to get a Praetor or Champion into CC? If I'm going either way, what's the optimal amount?
>>44533936
Considering Imperial Armour hasn't had a number since 13, I don't think Forge World will be giving them numbers anymore. Saying IA16 is just a short hand since the book doesn't have a name yet.
>>44533936
Where does it say second edition?
>>44534451
holy shit everybody and their twin brother is doing Alpha Legion. is that the most popular legion now that BaC is out?
>>44534965
I thought everyone was doing Iron Warriors
>>44534986
Iron Warriors ARE Alpha Legion
>>44534965
Once people actually get their models built and play them only to find out they're not that great I'm sure we'll see a drop in "Rate my AL list please!" posts.
>>44535193
So what do you play? I've got two boxes and an open mind for what I should do with them. my only concerns are that I'm not a big fan of 30k tanks (the price tag, not the models) and I'm much more into boys > toys.
>>44534627
The reverse cover, smartass.
>>44535240
I have about 8.5k worth of Iron Warriors, 7k of Mechanicum and 3k worth of Iron Hands.
No idea how many points you can figure from 2 boxes of BaC but if you're completely against tanks then I hope your meta is only BaC. Otherwise you're in for a surprise when people just barrage the shit out of your infantry.
>>44535193
I just like serpent imagery and the colour scheme. Not trying to jump on any bandwagon bruh.
>>44535797
Good to see at least one other person chooses their army for the right reasons.
>>44535838
I'm also not trying to jump on any bandwagon, I read Legion and the red books and it seems like AL is the most interesting...I'm just worried that's what everybody is doing = 10 AL armies at the same Bay Area store.
>>44534587
>Saying IA16 is just a short hand since the book doesn't have a name yet.
Sure, but I still wouldn't count Mymeara as 15, as I said to >>44534627 , the reverse cover says "Second Edition" , and the inside copyright notice says "First edition published 2011. Second edition published in Great Britain in 2015 by Forge World, Games Workshop, Willow Road, Lenton, Nottingham, NG7 2WS".
If it's a republished book, I'd assume it has the same numbering unless they actually give it a different number. Vraks is unusual in that it doesn't have a number, but it consolidates three previous books, and practically all of the game content has changed. It's fair enough to call that 14 if that's what people are doing.
>>44535921
Do whatever you want buddy, if FW calls it IA16 at the event, then I'll call it IA16.
>>44531858
>Legion Crusade Red Book
>This is going to be a straight re-print with the latest units like the Leviathan, Xiphon, Damocles Command Rhino etc added. No points values changes as FW are happy with the points values but some units may have added rules or abilities to reflect their higher points cost.
Assault Marines forever on the shelf confirmed.
Even if they get a melee version of "Fury of the Legion" they'll still be over-priced. You can only buff a T4 W1 3+ unit so far. Now they will go from 'over-costed' to 'bloated' in points. 25 points for a single Assault Marine from the first ten is way too much. Dark Furies only cost as much as a pair of lighting claws and you get a ton of special rules.
>>44535838
That's why I went Raven Guard in 40k, my friend. All this Damocles business has just been gravy on top.
Dantioch :,(
Mastodon rumored to be coming out in April with a price in the ballpark of 300 pounds.
>>44536457
>300 pounds.
Its time to get a job.
>>44536532
They better sell this gun separately. I'm not shelling out another £285.
>>44536625
>baby's first dagger on the chestpiece
adorable
>>44536600
>>44536613
>>44536625
>>44536651
Well, I'm glad I converted my own.
>>44536717
Babby's first POWA DAGGA WATCH OUT SONI don't actually know if those are power daggers or not.
>>44536457
Is that front hatch studded with Khorne symbols?
Don't know overall. Feels like a G.I. Joe playset. I guess it's trying to be a wall breaching thing, but wouldn't it need speed for that? Like on an assault ram the meltas weaken the structure and then the craft punched through. But this doesn't feel like it's going to steamroll into a weakened wall. If it had just been an armed to the brim super-land raider, why not?
>>44536478
The turret feels weird. Like it's from a totally different universe. It just doesn't have that same punisher/assault cannon feel with the design. I can almost see that being sold by a 3rd party manufacturer.
But hey, something new, right? I'm sure we'll see alternatives of this. Here's hoping they'll make the Hercules heavy tank (with command variant) at some point.
>>44536691
Holy shit.
>>44536651
>>44536625
>>44536600
>those fucking combi-bolters
How do they work?
>>44536691
>melta lance
>AV12 vs. 8+2D6
>>44536883
>Is that front hatch studded with Khorne symbols?
no, they look like mini frag launchers
>>44536820
Headhunters, so yes.
>>44536931
It's an over/under semi-auto anon. Needlessly complicated when it comes to timing and magazine design, but doable.
>>44537095
How does it feed? Because the magazine is at the bottom, so how do rounds from it get to the top barrel through the bottom one?
It's the Red Faction 1 SMG all over again.
>>44536820
>S3
>melee
>>44537126
Needlessly complicated timing and magazine design.
Lower barrel fires first, upper barrel has a shorter cycle and the feeding system is designed to be able to pop two rounds up. That's absolutely retarded and doesn't really deal with the single ejection port, but even in 30k this is still warhammer.
If I wanted to actually make it make sense, I'd just claim they're bolters rather than combibolters, and that's just a replacement barrel because Banestrike fucks everything up. Or an underbarrel venom sphere launcher.
>>44535893
Well if you want sneaky infantry based armies, your options are Raven Guard, Night Lords and Alpha Legion, and Alpha Legion have the shiniest options.
>>44537126
>>44537391
Guys I figured it out.
>>44536883
Turret looks all right to me.
>>44537426
Alpha Legions have ALL the options. They can pick every single legion unique squad and you can even get away with painting different legion colors for them.
>>44535193
>>44535427
>complains about AL being popular
>chooses 2 of the most popular legions alongside the best army in 30k
I lol'd
>>44538007
>Thinks there's objectively popular/good armies in 30k
LOL
>>44538007
These plebs are the same fags who go all elitist about how 30k is better than 40k but they're literally just the scummy 30k equivalent of the 40k faggots.
>>44538020
>doesn't think Mechanicum is superior to the average MEQ legion
>doesn't know how popular IW are or how strong certain legions like IW/DG/IH are
You must be new to 30k. Can you even name what those legion rules do? Because if you knew anything about the rules you'd know which legions are stronger and which are weaker. And if you've been to more than 2 30k generals you'd know how popular DG and IW are.
>>44538059
looks like I touched a nerve.
>>44538092
>i was just pretending to be retarded
>>44537828
Not saying it's bad, it just doesn't scream 30/40k to me. I think it's the struts. It doesn't really need them. It could have just been beefy punisher style miniguns, but they added those struts to it.
They seem to be separate pieces, but the piece they're attached to, below the sleeve, seems fixed to the barrels. A little sawing, maybe.
>>44538043
True. But I mean.... from experience, it kind of IS better than 40k, to be technical. Not everyone who states this fact is a fag.
is there rules for the mastodon around yet? because as an iron warriors player, i can definitely say i have a tremendous boner for it
>>44537391
They could have just given them regular terminator style combi-bolters. Or given it a side feed instead of a bottom one.
>I'd just claim they're bolters rather than combibolters, and that's just a replacement barrel because Banestrike fucks everything up. Or an underbarrel venom sphere launcher.
Or replace the bottom barrel with something beefier and use it as a combi-grenade launcher.
>>44538020
>>44538059
I remember when 4/5 lists were Iron Hands before IW came out
>>44537490
>100% more bullet per shot
Get outta here with your tech-heresy, magos Johnson!
>>44538230
Good for you? I remember when there was no 30k...4 years ago.
>>44538230
What's everybody playing nowadays?
Also noob question: I'm assuming if the primarch is part of your army he HAS to be your warlord?
>>44538318
Alpha Legion
>Primarch rules
Also you know there's a book that can tell you what the exact answer is to that question right?
Quick, design a unique non-vehicle Space Wolf unit that has nothing to do with wolves.
Dark Furies are apparently 5 for 38 pounds
Corax is 70 pounds.
>>44535973
Oh, I didn't know FW were calling it that. Why wouldn't they just number them officially if they're going to number them unofficially?
>>44538451
Execution Squad. Unit designed specifically to hunt down and eliminate Marines. Can stock up on AP3 bolter and heavy bolters shells or power swords/axes for close combat.
>>44538451
Huminn scouts. They have power armour with raven head crotches and assault sniper rifles.
>>44538513
>38 pounds
That can't be right unless they're a conversion kit. If it's a complete kit, they should be closer to £58
>>44536457
>price in the ballpark of 300 pounds.
That's great to know, if disappointing.
I was expecting £150 or maybe £200. It's basically 2 land raiders, which are £60-£80 each for forgeworld variants. Also, the Kharybdis is £150 and has a 20-man capacity, where it is basically the drop-pod version of a mastadon (gound) /stormbird (flyer).
Ah well, I guess I'll only be getting one (depending on the rules, especially transport capacity, I guess).
>>44537230
How many times we gotta go through this?
>You don't buy a power dagger to replace a close combat weapon for the AP3, you buy it to pair with another specialist weapon - like a lightning claw or power fist - for +1A.
Speaking of thing that are 38 pounds, would it be worth it to add a praevian with a Castellax to an AL list? I fucking love that robot model.
>>44538595
It might be the pre-release price if they are selling them there. If they aren't (which I believe they aren't) then it's the "this price is not final or concrete" just like the 300 GBP quote they gave for the Mastodon.
I'm thinking they'll be the same cost as the Mor Deythan or Suzerains.
>>44538289
Back when having pre-heresy armor from FW was a "holy shit drop everything" sight at the store because nobody really had them and FW was still super rare unicorn level shit and FW was just only releasing the RT heavy weapons and pre-heresy armor marks.
Good times but also bad times from all the FW not being allowed and 5E bullshit.
>>44538714
They were on sale at the event. If people are saying £38 that's incredibly generous for a Legion specific unit.
>>44538451
Just make some viking unit.
>nothing to do with vikings or wolves
So basically nothing to do with SW.
>>44538609
I was also surprised at the steep price. My guess is it's a much more massive kit than the photos are showing us, OR they don't expect to sell very many so the price has to be higher to recoup costs, OR the price may actually go down to 250 or even 200.
>>44538735
Kits for sale at events are typically cheaper than release prices aren't they? I could be wrong but I remember this from one of the FW weekend events where people were buying legion units for slightly cheaper and a month early.
>>44538765
>>44536457
looking at the size of the marines riding that thing, it's fucking huge. If they can get away with charging £425 for a Thunderhawk, I'm not surprised the Mastodon is ~£300.
>>44538778
Not usually, especially not as much as £22 cheaper than what the model would usually cost.
>>44538451
Grey Slayers. Veteran Grey Hunters with 2 attacks, Ld9, Bolter/CCW, and True Grit.
This is a crummy thought exercise, though, because we don't have SW rules for 30k yet.
>>44538869
It's not a particularly fancy kit though. All you're getting is Mor Deythan shoulders, some wings for the jump pack, and an alternate torso. All the legs and jump packs and arms and helmets are mundane, with only the chooser of the slain having unique claws and a bare head.
Compare this to a Suzerain
>>44538992
Regardless, of complexity, it doesn't match their pricing structure at all.
>be me and I
>think of getting into 30k, decide imperial fists as they have good fluff
>oh wait.jpg
>all models look shit and are upgrade kits modeled by Israel Gonzalez.
>well, maybe alpha legion then, they look fun
>see pics >>44536651
Just fuck my shit up spaniard Jew man.
Also, isn't Israel the guy who didn't want to put the Templar cross onto his model designs becomes "Christianity shouldn't exist anywhere in the future"?
>>44539354
Do an off-brand chapter from within the legion
>>44539354
>playing fists
>using non-generic models
Heresy armies look better when they're largely comprised of basic dudes. Fists especially.
>>44538595
>>44538714
>>44538735
>>44538778
>>44538869
>>44538992
>>44539037
Could it be that the legs, torsos, or other significant parts are BaC plastics? Or have people actually said it's full resin?
>>44539953
It's 100% resin. They showed one off in a newsletter.
Maybe they got a lot of backlash for "purposefully premium pricing" with the Mor Deythan. Who are just alternate Recon Marines.
>>44539953
To be fair, Ashen Circle and Night Raptors are also only £38 for 5.
>>44538765
> My guess is it's a much more massive kit than the photos are showing us
It's pretty big, looks almost as big as the thunder-hawk fuselage
>>44536457
> 9 Melta barrels
Neat.
>>44536457
April can't come soon enough, that thing looks like a beast.
>>44541337
21 barrels of death.
>>44536457
When you absolutely, positively, need to deliver a pile of terminators into a breach.
It has void shields too, the generators are just in front of the turret.
>>44536478
>>44536457
Are those void shield generators?
>>44541375
They look exactly like the nubs on the chassis of the Warlord, so I assume those are indeed Void Shield generators.
>>44541375
Seems so (warhound generator on top left corner of pic related). Two of them, so two void shield, most likely.
>>44536203
Then how come dark furies are good with all their rules while assault marines can't be buffed because "rules bloat"
>>44536613
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-PL/mars-pattern-warlord-titan-belicosa-volcano-cannon
>>44541661
Don't know if the mounting is similar.
>>44541684
Its a big swinging hingey thing
>>44527783
Corvegeta?
Cocorax?
>>44530005
Title Suggestion: Oats
The units that recieve Disicipline Masters and Medics out to be noted in the list; you can figure out some but not all instances by deduction (ie which units recieve the Refractor Fields?).
Nice twist with the support teams, it's expensive but both are a threat and it keeps the enemy on their toes as to which will recieve Merchant Princling. Did the Squats use aircraft at all? If they did or it doesn't feel wrong for stunties in planes or whatever then perhaps a reduction to the sentinels and removing the Flak Missiles will afford points for a Thunderbolt fighter.
I've included Recon squads in my forces - they're fun and Militiat and Cults is not a balanced force really in any case - but I'd feel obliged to tell you that they're even more overpriced than Space Marine Recon squads. If ever you feel frustrated with a total inability to win games (unlikely with this list but y'know), cut them and aim for that Thunderbolt.
>>44541836
I don't know how well it goes to the mount on the ulator ordinatus.
Wonder if you could use a Dreamforge HEL cannon on the Ordinatus.
>>44541223
palatine blades are only £34 for 5
>>44531858
>tweaking rules before points
I like this for the most part, but I am really interested as to how they'll dice it with Justaerin.
Current Justies are only priced ridiculously for the first 3 - ie/ they have an obnoxious starting tax of somewhere over 100pts. (contrast that with Tacs and most units, which have 50pts, and vanilla Vets and Termies, which have a mere 25).
The cost of additional Justaerin is totally fine by contrast - 10 more points nets extra WS and Ld, unit-wide pseudo-character status, Stubborn, Furious Charge and more.
Suggests that spring to mind immediately include an aura benefit like Phoenix Guard, or Nuncio Voxes en-masse, such that the unit's value is chiefly in its prescence on-table at all with a modest survival upgrade per extra man. More than anything I'm really interested to see what they do with them.
>>44531858
>The new Knight chassis' like the Warden will be included as well as the up-to-date wargear like the Gatling cannon.
I thought FW wasn't going to add those carapace guns into 30k.
>>44531880
>Necromunda revival
As someone who has been faffing about with homebrew skill and equipment tables over the last few weeks: YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Having an official product to which I might compare my spreadsheet-borne ideas is a massive bonus over the current ancient rules. And models. MODELS. I may start collecting again, for the first time in 8 years.
>>44531901
>Prospero up next
Forgeworld have got it *just* right. They've put off Wolves v Psykers long enough to get us chewing the bit, while interesting us with the interim's releases. Then just before Prospero they release tantalisingly incomplete rules for the Dark Angels, White Scars and Blood Angels. BAM. Now what they can do is:
- Release the first Prospero book, covering some of the forces present in the initial conflict
- Release a book concerning one of the DAs, WSs and BAs - say Signus Prime
- Release the second Prospero book, going into more detail of groups like the Sisters of Silence
- Release eg/ the Thramas Crusade
- Release the last Prospero book, rounding off the conflict in detail and perhaps saving the Custodes/Primarchs till last
- One or two more books
- The Siege of Terra
It's an endless cycle of interest. Forgeworld have carved for themselves one hell of a release cycle.
I have; Betrayal at Calth, two Blood Angels Tactical Marine box sets, two Assault Marine boxers/w Blood Angels upgrade kit, two Sanguinary Guard box sets, and two Sanguinary Priests. Is this a good start for a Blood Angels legion? I was going to grab some Forgeworld stuff eventually too.
Not sure what to run this as though, I've never played 30k before.
>>44532755
By conflating autism for ignorance, you cheapen both as prognostics. Use whichever you like, both are legal.
>>44537977
But big restrictions.
>>44536883
Not if's got a battery of nine melta weapons, at least three of which are gigantic. You can trundle up to any building and just melt your way into it.
The vehicle is packed with features, giving it the vibe of a mobile fortress. It has the meltas for carve into the fortress, the flamer weaponry to scorch off garrisons piling out, long lascannons to pick off outflanking armour and the big turrent to smuch aircraft or barrage something a way away. It all adds up. GI Joe also likes to put loads of features on sets; does that make it a bad thing?
>>44537391
Replacement barrel is the logic I've been using for about 10 years wrt twin-linked weapons in any case.
>>44537490
It even actually fits the hydra theme. Curse you, Alpharius!
>>44538059
You're right and yet you're overstating it. The difference between the top, middle and bottom tiers of 30K are marginal next to the gulfs of 40K. That's why 30K's so balanced. Nevermind the fact that all armies are varied as hell and fun to play both with and against.
>>44542090
>ono or two more books then jumping straight to the Siege
Frankly, I'll be disappointed if they don't continue milking this cow for at least 10-15 more years.
>>44542096
In a month the blood angel book will be released untill then you might want to check out book 1 or the general army list.
>>44538451
Axes, shields, special open-topped rhino. Viking party.
Bear warriors. (didn't say it couldn't feature other animals!) Multi-wound Terminators with Eternal Warrior. Paired Lightning Claw and Power Fist.
Scions of Baldr. Jetbike riders, use weaponry based on light (flaming lances, plasma cannons).
Consul Bard. Tricky bastard, can swap units around in deployment. Hit and Run, pinning PS shooting.
>>44542096
40k kits have a quite mixed batch of suits with different style to FW kits. Truth be told, they'd make a good Siege of Terra era BA. The BA kits got stuff to make Mk. 4, 6 and 7 suits. Assault kits got mostly Mk. 7 with 2 Mk. 6 per.
If you want assault marines, take all the Mk. 6 suits (beaky helmets, legs with no knee pads and torsos with cables) and make them into assault squads. You should have 10, if you skip a few helmets. Try to give them all a studded left shoulder pad (BaC should have a bunch).
The Tactical box Mk. 4s could act as squad leaders for the BaC Mk. 4 marines with their fancy BA style armour. Throw some BA shoulder pads on the BaC models. This should get you 32 Mk. 4 suits. Compiling all the Mk. 7 suits from BA and assault kits would give you another 20 tacticals.
You could make two 20 man squads, one with Mk. 7 suits and one with Mk. 4. Last ten Mk. 4 suits could be used for a (heavy) support squad.
>>44542237
That's the genius of the model; they can have their cake and eat it. Release book 1 of the Siege, THEN release another book detailing something the Shattered Legions are doing or what have you. Then Book 2, then White Scars vs. Dark Eldar or something, then Book 3 and so on. The model just *applies*.
>>44542336
Indeed it does, not to mention the greatly unexplored Scouring and the Codex crisis.
>>44542366
Imagine if Forgeworld didn't even stop there, and we got Warhammer 35,000. The Age of Apostasy, the first War of Armageddon. All the juicy middle-of-the-millenia stuff that happened after Emps died but before the cluster-fuck of the end times.
>>44542311
I'll try that, I was going to get another Contemptor and weapon packs from FW. I also have drop pods but I don't know how period accurate the GW ones are.
>>44542473
GW pods are fine. Though I think you need to take a RoW to make wider use of them. Also allows you to deep strike your terminators.
>>44542473
The "modern" drop pods are fine, they're simply the direct delivery version. The Antillus Dreadclaw are the fancy VTOL version that can fly around, but it's relatively rare compared to the normal version. Though there are very few units that can use it off the bat outside the Orbital Assault ROW.
>>44542396
>the first War of Armageddon
I have an Aegis Armoured boner.
revised word bearers list, pls rate:
+++ The Unspeaking (2498pts) +++
++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (2498pts) ++
+ HQ (470pts) +
Legion Chaplain (135pts) [Artificer Armour, Burning Lore, Volkite Charger]
Legion Librarian (160pts) [Legion Scimitar Jetbike with Heavy Bolter, Power Armour, Psychic Mastery Level 2]
Zardu Layak (175pts) [Warlord]
····Master of the Legion [The Dark Brethren]
+ Troops (608pts) +
Legion Tactical Squad (293pts) [18x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Power Fist]
The Ashen Circle (315pts) [Dark Channelling, 9x Incendiary]
····Iconoclast [Phosphex Bomb, Power Axe]
+ Elites (555pts) +
Gal Vorbak Dark Brethren (390pts) [9x Dark Brethren, 2x Power Weapon]
····Dark Martyr [Artificer Armour, Power Weapon]
Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (165pts)
3 Laser Destroyers
+ Fast Attack (520pts) +
Legion Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron (260pts) [6x Space Marine Sky Hunters, 2x Volkite Culverin]
Legion Storm Eagle Assault Gunship (260pts) [Extra Armour, Two Twin-linked Lascannons]
+ Heavy Support (345pts) +
Legion Spartan Assault Tank (345pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade, Flare Shield, Laser Destroyers]
Zardu Layak goes with the Gal Vorbak in the Spartan, selects Cursed Earth for sure, and maybe the beam from Malefic.
Chaplain goes with the Tac Squad in the Eagle, rolls on Biomancy.
Librarian goes with the Sky Hunters and rolls on... i dont know. ideas?
>>44538917
As someone whos first army was 13th company, you are my hero. Gold star for you sir.
Just finished Betrayer. What a book, left me wanting for more. Before I'm placing my next order, which one would you recommend /tg/, Thousand Sons or Angel Exterminatus?
I want some IW material but heard too much good about TS.
>>44543241
I must admit to not reading TS yet, but I liked Angel Exterminatus a lot, so I'd say it won't be a wasted time if you decide on this one.
>>44543241
>Nemesis in anything but mediocre tier
Thousand Sons is good, but pairs better with Prospero Burns, so if you're buying hard copy maybe save them to read back2back.
>>44543241
>Legion not in heresy tier
>>44533831
I said that you must take the Blade, not that nothing else was worth it.
>>44541929
Oh, right, I forgot that only 2 discipline dudes had RF. I'll scrape points to get the last 2.
I was planning 1 DM in each infantry squad, 2 medics in each HWT, 1 in each grenade squad.
I might just cut the Recons. my goal with them was to have them lob a demo charge at something.
>>44530550
The key is finding out what legion specific unit is better than the vanilla counterpart at the specific role you want to fill. Iron Havocs, tyrant siege (expensive), and mor dethyan are all very good.
>>44531677
Its only mildly retarded. More rad is always good. You are just lacking protection. And its a lot of points to put on infantry (depends on the rest of list)
As far as Lerneans... I think you should take chainfists. It's one of the stronger benefits of taking terminators because of ceramite plating everywhere.
>>44532400
Tacticals can be good if placed well a turn ahead of time because of fury of the legion. Other than that they kind of suck. Spear and artificer armor is the best way to make use of your legion rules in CC- however, If you aren't planning on using them as an assault unit you begin to lose some of the benefits. Storm Eagle is a great place to put large squads of EC and it works well with their ROW.
Things like legion land speeders and fast armored units with lots of dakka are probably the best choices for Mara Skaru.
>>44541836
Yeah that won't work at all
Am I just being picky or is this not white enough for world eaters? I'm having some trouble making my dudes not look shit and Duncans method looks simple enough.
is this seriously the storm-bird they're putting out, looks pretty bad IMO
>>44544289
I have the feeling the WE white stands out more thanks to the blue in their colourscheme, WS are basically white all over with only few colour distracting from the white, so it doesn't stand out as much.
So go right ahead, use it, the colours are a guide, they're not the rules. Some variation is certainly not an issue, most will agree I'm sure.
>>44544324
That's an early mock-up I imagine, needed a lot more refining for the final model, so I'm assuming it'll look better once we get to see the final version.
>>44536457
Why are the marines wider than the hatches they are meant to be able to climb in and out of?
>>44543241
Deathfire was pretty good in my opinion.
>>44544289
I really like that shade of white but you've every right to be picky. World Eaters suit butchershop-tile white, while this off-colour fits more Luna Wolves, or the white portions of Raven & Death Guard armours.
>>44543541
Hmmm. Any other recommendations for how stuff works? I'm just a little leery of loading on stuff to the metal boxes if they are just going to get blown up after serving their purpose.
>>44533103
How should I go about modelling spears for sergeants? I don't know what bit to use.
>>44544541
Grey Knights have some nice looking spears
I love the idea of an artillery heavy RG ambush force with Maun and a Master of Signal. What artillery pieces / tanks would you recommend? I was thinking a squad of 3 basilisks could hide behind LOS blocking cover and only take up one HS slot allowing me to run Decapitation Strike still.
>>44544511
That's kinda what I was thinking, I'm still somewhat new to this and can't seem to do white well at all.
>>44544797
That ain't you. White is a hard colour to do well.
>>44544398
I like your optimism, and I think you're probably right. Most of the time the final product is truly exceptional regarding HH, I really wish they had stuck with the original Red Butchers though, I thought they looked more like the original concept art imho.
>>44544797
White is among the harder colours to do, so I wouldn't beat yourself up.
>>44543080
anyone? would appreciate advice and opinions
>>44541929
>Did the Squats use aircraft at all?
Squats used planes before anyone else did, the Iron Overlord and Iron Eagle were almost unique at the time for being flyers (Thunderhawks were the only major exception). Technically they weren't planes, but they were aircraft (a gyrocopter and a blimp).
>>44541984
If Merciless Fighters is being changed, that might fix them just with that. If it allows them to double-up at I1, for example, they'd skyrocket to one of the best terminator units in the game.
Question, doing Hammer of Olympia, do people prefer 3 blocks of 20 tacticals or 3 squads of 10 in rhinos? Mix of the two?
IW seem very static and I figured some rhinos might be okay with the free extra armour. Plus they're easier to paint.
>>44544464
Nice, so there's at least two of us around here. DESU I'd move it to "acceptable" on >>44543241's list.
>>44545522
Huh, it's changing the non-cursing shortcuts to "desu" too? What?
>>44542396
>>44544948
>>44545262
That makes me feel a bit better. It just irritates me that I have all this stuff that I don't want to touch because I'll fuck it up.
>>44545545
>Using shortcuts in an image board
This ain't a chat room.
>>44545433
Kinda contradicted yourself there, but it'sareet. It aligns with my expectations exactly. If it was converted well I'm sure a giant copter would fly (lol) with Thunderbolt rules.
Two BaC boxes with plans of doing Alpha Legion. Should I use my Heavy Bolters to make 2 x 5-man Headhunter squads, or 1 x 5-man Heavy Support Squad with HBs?
>>44545472
I'm not certain quite what you mean by "double-up at I1", but regardless that wasn't my interest. It was how to make Justaerin balanced with regard to their high starting tax, not in general.
>>44545623
Welp, that's life. You gotta break eggs to make an omelette, and if the first few eggs shatter and get shell in the pan then you're like many. Wish I could give you more specific advice, painting ain't my specialty beyond universal colour principles. Luckily there's a guide coming out.
>>44545648
Sorry. Bad habit.
If I want robots in my Alpha Legion army, should I get a Forge Lord or a Praevian, and should I get Thallax or Castellax? I feel like AL somehow getting their hands on giant robots fits their theme.
>>44542607
Heres a teaser
Angron cost 500
>want to purchase perturabo and a spartan
>mfw It costs half my rent
>>44543080
I'm not sure that a sparten is going to survive a 2500 point army of anti-tank thrown at it on its own
>>44546275
Let me get this straight, when Angron became a DP, a bulky daemonic giant as per the art, he went slighty better in both WS and BS and slower. And that was it.
Seriously, fuck daemonhood.
>>44546391
>Deamonic Flight
>>44546326
any advice?
>>44546470
I was more refering to the fact that he is now a giant and there is no changes to S or T. But yes, that's useful too.
>>44543241
>Fear to Tread
>mediocre
Wut
>>44546520
I hope you're aware those rules are ancient and will be pretty thoroughly invalidated by Forge World's output come the Siege of Terra.
>>44530690
That could probably be fixed with a simple re-position of his right arm, to make it look like he's pulling back to stab forward with his claws.
>>44546813
But why would he be stabbing when he's already shooting him?
>>44543327
>>44543450
>>44543519
>>44544464
Honestly someone should probably make a new one, that picture lacks many books and too many are questionable in placings.
>>44545262
>>44544948
Shit, and here I was getting hyped about White Scars.
What are the easier colours to make look good? What's the easiest legion to paint?
>>44546940
Go for it anon. We believe in you.
>>44544464
You have no taste. That book was appalling. Seriously, using giant building mounted flamethrowers can stop the fucking Life Eater?
How much would you utterly despise someone for using 40k Kastelans in place of 30k Castellaxes?
>>44547250
Unconverted, immensely. They are some of the worst models GW has ever shat out, and them appearing in Cybernetica was the only flaw to that novel.
>>44544289
Is this image from a video? If so where would I find this?
I love the crispness of that white.
>>44547117
Only read like, 6 books.
>>44547301
warhammer tv white power armour advent calendar
>>44546934
Oh I meant as a stand-alone model, when it comes to the diorama you'd have your work cut out for you.
Maybe you could make it look like he's performing a hit-and-run move, but I wouldn't know how to convey that effectively.
>>44547301
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it6sAE-YBDc
Advent Calendar Day 1, by his Majesty, Duncan.
>>44547250
It's Sad Frog vs Derpy Baymax, so pick your poison.
>>44546934
The same reason you would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane.
>>44547391
Corvus WAS born in the darkness....
>>44547267
>>44547380
Would you recommend the Thallax then? I want to take robots but the temptation to buy half priced Derpy Baymax might be too great...so maybe I should take smaller robots instead.
>>44547561
Personally, I prefer 50's Drive-In Derpy Baymax. But you should pick whatever you prefer.
>>44547611
If you change the head, it can look halfway decent.
>>44546275
Those rules were from 4th edition, where the Daemon special rule granted extra craziness like Eternal Warrior.
Imperial fists 2000pts
>HQ
Praetor 165pts
- paragon blade
- master crafted
- iron halo
Centurion 110pts
-primus medicae
-power weapon
-artificer armor
>Troops
Veteran Tactical squad 285
-+5 marines
-vexilla
-power sword
-2 heavy bolters
-rhino
Veteran Tactical squad 285
-+5 marines
-vexilla
-power sword
-2 heavy bolters
-rhino
>Elites
Templar Brethren 600pts
-+5 marines
-10 combat shields
-LR phobos
Contempor Talon 555pts
1
-2x twin link heavy bolters
2
-twin linked auto-cannon
-dreadnought close combat weapon
2
-twin linked lascannon
-dreadnought close combat weapon
>Heavy Support
Sicaran Battle Tank 175
-ceramite
-heavy bolters
Predator Strike Squadron 260
-Extra Predator
-2x Plasma
-2x armoured cermite
any good, or is it back to the drawing board?
What's the verdict on Red Butchers with Lightning Claws? Thinking of how to build my BaC Terminators for my AL army and I've narrowed it down to: normal boring Terminators, Tyrant Siege Terminators (no fucking idea where I'd find the rockets though), and Red Butchers.
>>44548084
Looks pretty good - I assume with the Contemptors you meant to list 1,2,3?
>>44548084
>Praetor 165pts
He dosent need the master crafting: digi lasers, are the same price and straight better
>-primus medicae
i presume he is going in the TB squad? if so, thats fine, otherwise dont bother buying the HQ version
>Veteran Tactical squad 285
are they snipers? if so, good stuff, otherwise, make them snipers
>-2x twin link heavy bolters
awful, fucking bad as hell. really not worth the huge price tag: go ass cannons or go home (and really they should be on a mortise)
>Sicaran Battle Tank 175
get las cannons, you are better of targeting light tanks/air craft, and you have the contemptor/vets for anti-personnel
pretty good, just needs some tweaks
>>44548185
>What's the verdict on Red Butchers
bad
terrible
awful
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD
really they are crap on toast, in every build. make then into legion terminators
>>44548185
>>44548185
and to follow that up:
you are playing AL: you get the BEST cheap-legion terminators in the game. build them as laemats, or tyrants if you REALLY want to do coild
>>44547061
Black is probably the easiest colour (like I said I am not a painting expert, someone could prove me wrong on that one) for much the same reason that white is so easy, however there are subtleties to black like progressive layers of brown and highlighting. Fortunately there's no less than 3 black-armoured legions, and 3-6 more darkly-armoured groups on top of that. (depends on if you count grey and part-black schemes, IW, SW and SA all can count). Otherwise blue is also a pretty easy colour, quite variable too (all three blue legions I've seen down with colours on the cyan and indigo sides of the spectrum). Greens and Reds are moderately difficult.
Generally the darker the colour, and the more cluttered/murky/grainy the scheme, the easier it is to pull off. Pale colours, yellow, and complex patterns are naturally harder.
>>44547136
Yes, because that's the most retarded thing that's happened in the HH series. Take your opinions, shine them up real nice, and stick them up your arse sideways m8. Deathfire was good for me because A) the Salamanders are getting back story, B) the plot was pretty entertaining C) Vulkan has always been awesome and D) Fuck you.
>>44545522
I eagerly await the last book.
>>44548294
why do you say "tyrants if you really want to do coils?" just curious
>>44547250
I don't utterly despise anyone, but I'd treat it the same as proxying unpainted models or 40K cadians/catachans in an SA list. In some cases it's perfectly fine, if I want a proper game I'll decline. You shouldn't be going out of your way to play games with them.
>>44546520
Well you did say slower
>>44547915
How about we take these rules and stick the primarch rule on there? I mean he is the same price as horus, might as well make him worth it
>>44548334
>A) the Salamanders are getting back story
What backstory? There's no backstory for the Legion there. There was none in Vulkan Lives either. You needed the FW Book to get backstory for the Legion. I'm not sure how much of the deathfire flameanvil drakescale inferno reptile forge stuff is the author's idea on what constitutes varied but thematically relevant symbolism and an interesting, plausible culture, but it's still blindingly repetitive and tells little that FW didn't tell better.
>B) the plot was pretty entertaining
It was a failed rip-off of the Odyssey that was a grand concept but utterly teensy in execution. What was this odyssey? A brief encounter with a curious little fleet of nobodies *inside Macragge space*, one dull jump, an ambush, one serious encounter in the warp, Magnus, Terra and then mostly done. Battle for the Abyss had more ruinous storm in it than this "grand voyage" (three jumps?) through The Ruinstorm.
>C) Vulkan has always been awesome
He had next to nothing to do with the story.
>D) Fuck you
Possibly valid.
>>44548355
Coils of the Hydra Rite of War for the Alpha Legion, which allows them to take a single Legion Specific unit from any other legion as an Elite Choice. There are some restrictions that apply though, but Rewards of the Traitor is pretty nice and emphasises the ALs versatility.
