>What is Exalted?
White Wolf/Onyx Path's rampant weebery and Final Fantasy 7 boner coalesced into a janky over the top weaboo fantasy game involving
>That sounds cool, how can I get into it?
Pirate any of the materials below and then run that shit in your system of choice because Storyteller is garbage and secondly the devs are incompetent shitheels that don't deserve your money.
>Gosh that was fun. How do I find a group?
Roll20 and the Game Finder General here on /tg/. With the new edition, though, chances are more games will crop up. Or make up your fucking game you lazy shitter
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Yarr mateys get these before TPP nukes these links for good
>3E Backer Core https://mega.nz/#!E1dRBBIa!ZbQG4IasYCJRli2bhgE2MOdWeFAeV3N1rqL9kAIGbNE
>Character Sheet & Init tracker: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByD2BL6J89Nick41YUk0RUt3YlU
>Online charsheet:
http://howsfamily.net/Exalted
>General Homebrew dumping folder: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByD2BL6J89NiQzdCWWFaY0c5Mkk&usp=sharing
>Collection of old 3e Materials, including comics and fiction anthologies https://www.mediafire.com/folder/t2arqtqtyyt28/Exalted_3Leak
>Charm Trees:
>Solar Charms: https://imgur.com/a/q6Vbc
>Martial Arts: https://imgur.com/a/mnQDe
>Evocations: https://imgur.com/a/TYKE4
Resources for 2.5 Edition:
>All books with embedded errata notes, as well as some extras: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/253ulzik1j9s5/Exalted
>Chargen software: http://anathema.github.io/
>Anathema homebrew charm files: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/pka3nz3vqbqda/Anathema_Files
>MA form weapon guide: http://www.brilliantdisaster.net/dif/ExaltedMA.html
>http://www.mediafire.com/view/ua7tanepy2jfkdp/Exalted_2nd_Ed_-_Return_of_the_Scarlet_Empress.pdf
Resources for 1e:
>https://www.mediafire.com/folder/9vp0e9id3by6m/Exalted_1e
Shitposting and buyer's remorse edition
Also always remember Morke and Holden are liars
So I'm starting my first campaign soon and I'm split on whether I want to use a Longfang or a Direlance. Is one particularly better than the other? Are the benefits of Reach, Two-Handed, and being able to use it while mounted worth getting a Direlance over a Longfang?
>>44478513
Direlance also has +1 Defense and Overwhelming, and +2 Damage, over a Longfang, at the price of -2 Accuracy.
Really, though, the question is: Would your character ever throw his spear? If yes, take a Longfang, if no, take a Dire Lance.(And, of course, whichever one gives you the stats you'd prefer.)
>>44478814
Wait, nyx that +1 Defense. My bad. I thought they were light and medium, not medium and heavy, for some reason.
>>44478814
Alright then, don't plan on throwing my spear ever, so I'll probably be going with the Direlance then. Figured I'd ask because the few times I've popped in here, a lot of people have talked like the lighter the weapon is, the better.
>>44478945
that's the white room talk of "more successes vs defense = more dice to roll in post-soak" which isn't necessarily always true
yeah, it's a safe bet, but there's not much of a problem in just picking what'd suit you over what's the most optimal in getting sheer numbers out
>>44478270
>Shitposting and buyer's remorse edition
>Also always remember Morke and Holden are liars
And I was hoping that shit had stopped. Guess the idiots were just off for the holidays.
So what did Mercury deliver to YOUR Cold Season Festival Pinetree?
Hey /exg/ I want to make a blacksmith character who uses a big-ass goremaul in a fight. What I want to know is if there's a Martial Arts style I can take or if I have to transfer one from 2. If it's the latter, which one should I tackle?
I've had an idea floating at the back of my head for a while of a sort of exalted based, but also heavily Tron/Megaman Battle Network style setting...
Make primordials self-aware networks with many lesser programs making up the greater whole, sidereals as hackers, dragon blooded as PCs in a sort of MMO/LARP hybrid played across the web, Infernals as empowered human agents of the networks and so forth.
It needs a lot of work I guess, but it's a loose concept.
How do the limits on which martial arts can I learn without a sensei work? I mean, i know Solars can learn the Solar Hero and Snake by themselves, but does that work like that with any Celestial art? If I take the first charm or so of an art, can I learn the rest by myself?
>>44481243
All MA except Sidereal can be learn in the nature. Sidereal MA needs to be learn from a Sensei.
>>44481058
Huh, sounds p. fucking cool
>>44480987
Jade Mountain Style from 2e. IIRC, much of Earth Dragon Style made it into the core in the antagonists section and also uses a goremaul.
>>44481366
How would you a Inkling?
>>44481581
Jade Mountain is in the scroll of the monk right?
>>44481681
>>44481796
Yeah it was a TMA in it
>>44480886
Fuck off Holden this ain't your hugbox
>>44482159
No, but it is a place where you can discuss the game without just having a tantrum about the devs.
>>44482236
Yeah, you can, but having a tantrum about the devs is fun so why would you want to?
>>44482263
A lot of people grow out of that kind of thing.
>>44482236
Ok holden
>>44482236
Nobody is having a tantrum except the guy(you?) getting anally devastated by the forced "Holden and Morke are liars" meme
>>44482277
Sounds like you're a square, man.
>>44482282
Nah, I'm a different guy. I just enjoyed the absence of the shitty memes for a while.
>>44482322
Cry some more, Holden.
>>44482322
>Shitty
>implying it's not the dankest meme
>>44482333
I know this is taking you no thought or effort, and you're probably no very invested in this meme - but it still seems weird to use it to shut down discussion in something you're presumably interested in.
Do you spam here just because you love to hate it, or is this just dank memes for you?
>>44482366
You're not discussing anything, you're just complaining about memes, Holden. Grow some thicker skin and we can talk about whatever you like.
>>44482366
Stop stealing all the dubs fag and go back to the big purple normie scum
>>44482390
>Stop stealing all the dubs fag
No.
Do Sidereal have same memory stuff as Solars?
What about Lunar?
Well, it was pretty surreal to discover that not only do the exalted devs talk openly on the net, but that they're unspeakable cocks.
Then again, the books do have rape as every third word.
>>44482455
The left over memories from previous Exaltation holders?
Yes to both, Ayesha's whole reason for turning to the Gold Faction was because of them.In 2e at least.
>>44482516
>WW
>not being dipshits
pick one and only one.
I kid tho, there's like 2 or three decent guys but the rest are trash and in charge of the bulk of the writing.
In a perfect world Exalted would be written by the niggas that did Dudes of Legend
>>44482625
It's unfair to tar all of White Wolf with Exalted's shit. nWoD has been really good and transparent, generally speaking.
>>44481058
Hmm, in relevance to this: I Imagine you could prolly convert She Who Lives In Her Name to a pretty good internet handle with a bit of a tweak.
>>44482679
>implying SWILLIN isn't already a good handle
>>44482455
Yeah, all celestial exaltations do. The three "Main" types get their shards cleaned by Lytek between incarnations, I honestly can't recall what the deal with Abyssals is, and Infernals have ALL the memories of their past life, because absolutely nothing at all could go wrong with giving the guys who have access to all the most vital parts of your escape plan the chance to suddenly get possessed by the memories of their first age self who probably fought against you in the War. IIRC, Alchemicals get memories of the mortal existences they went through prior to being catalyzed or whatever.
Terrestrial's get nothing, but they also get the chance to breed true and can actually use their powers without people freaking out, so fuck them.
>>44482701
No it is, but you could prolly make it even more fitting by making it a little tongue in cheek or self deprecative, since that's how people tend to name their online personas when they aren't Darkshadohdghg69.
Reposting the Sidereal home-brew for anyone who missed it last thread.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15dK8fZaL-Kn-yGKxW6VRg_z6aF27FqbIf-t8ZEXmMC4/edit
Are there any better ways than full awareness excellency + sensory acuity prana to get totemic anima before your first turn?
>>44482734
>Bureaucracy caps at e3.
Why do you make the Maidens hate us?
>>44483033
To incentivise SMA?
>>44483033
Because you should have the 333rd Celestial Daimyo Heavenly Understudy of Paperwork as your secretary or something?
So wait, does Exalted 3 only have Solar rules again?
>>44483231
Solar and mortals.
>>44483262
Ugh, Solars have always been the least interesting faction.
>>44483231
Yes. Obviously the core book can't include everything, and even if we don't consider any Exalt type more central to the game than any other, Solars make the most sense as the core book splat because there isn't really much Solar-specific fluff, which means there's more room for general setting introduction.
>>44483279
Well that's, like, your opinion man.
>>44483279
>>44483231
The developers are jews so they're going to make a dozen books again for each Exalt type and sell them all separately.
>>44482390
>big purple
RPGPundit? What are you doing here?
>>44483399
Making it rain dubs here
>>44483383
Yeah, those fuckers: Making massive books full of character options.
>>44483383
Yeah, they should just make it one book. It would only be some thousands of pages. That's nothing!
>>44482669
I'm still lolling that Exalted 3E ended up as good as it did in spite of all the dev drama, while it was the nWoD people who squeezed out the turd that was Beast the Primordial and acted like it was their proudest accomplishment.
Between this and David Hill fucking with Changeling the Lost to get on his soap-box, I think we got the better end of the deal.
>>44483482
>Between this and David Hill fucking with Changeling the Lost to get on his soap-box
???
>>44483383
Yeah, it's not like the castes are hugely different in any exalt type I've seen. Less "Bard/Cleric/Wizard" and more you get different affinities for skills and shit.
You could pretty easily fit in bare bones coverage of a couple exalt types in the core, and flesh them out with later splats.
>>44483518
It's about EMPOWERMENT now, you see.
The game where you are victimized by the closest thing the WoD has to a God, forever looking over your shoulder for it as you try to rebuild the shambles it made out of your life, is now about BEING EMPOWERED.
>>44483548
I... what? It did have rape survivor vibes (super heavily) but it was a game about trying to survive and forming support groups, living with PTSD and trying not to become your abuser.
Where does the empowerment come in?
>>44483599
>>44483297
It could. Not with the current design philsoophy, but if OP hired competent designers to make Exalted, it could have.
>>44483231
Hi, you must be new to White Wolf Products.
>>44482723
>I honestly can't recall what the deal with Abyssals is.
IIRC, Abyssal shards get dipped into Oblivion, which cleanses them of the past memories, they can also be placed in sunlight which does the same thing.
>>44483695
There's a difference between "Competent" and "sane".
Even systems that give multiple options tend to have a core book with just rules. I mean look at the fucking size of the charm chapter.
Of course you're a troll, so feel free to label me a faggot and call me wrong. After all it is you right to do so.
>>44483695
>Competent designers
Translation: Designers who make the rules-light games I like.Not actually defending the devs here, but your opinion isn't fact.
>>44483695
Not really? It'd only be possible in a game that's super rules light, not to mention the fact that unlike Solars (who are relative blank slates), every other splat has a bunch of lore related widgets that require further explanation. Sidereals, for example, *need* to have the Celestial Bureaucracy and the Loom of Fate explained in detail, Abyssals *need* to have the Deathlords detailed, etc. etc.
How does Solar Anima bleaching work?
>>44483754
Charms a shit
A SHIT
Seriously if they went with more intelligent ways of handling powers and splat gimmicks they wouldn't need to burn 100 pages to what amounts to add more dice to your pool
>>44483835
Oh god, the opinions.
>>44483835
idk, stuff like Seasoned Criminal Method is pretty cash and amounts to way more than extra dice.
I mean, a game where there were only excellencies would be pretty bare-bones tactically.
>>44483860
Ok Holden
>>44483889
Gracious, what a meigh-meigh!
>>44483861
Seasoned Criminal Method isn't a stupid dice trick double 9s reroll 6s reroll 1s +3 autosux though. It has an actually interesting effect. If I was guessing, I'd guess the Charms are 50/50 something interesting and something boring as hell.
>>44483835
Oh you're one of those types. Let me mock you while I can.
Exalted is never going to radically move away from the charm paradigm, and for every person who thought otherwise I will laugh at them.
Go back to FATE, is suits your kind more.
/exg/ I need your help. I have really hard time trying to actually create character for the new eidtion.
Every time I try to start with a concept first and than build around it my build ends up being completely ineffective due to HMMs (Hidden Mandatory Minimums) and every time I try to make an effctive build and extrapolate a character from it it ends up contrived and extremely one-dimensional.
How do I go about this? Am I doing something wrong or is this edition just shit?
>>44483861
>Exalted
>tactics
>>44483929
Not really 50/50, but there are a handful of those dice adder charms in every tree though.
>>44483941
Can you explain what you mean? How are you failing to make the character you want to make?
>>44483941
Give me some of the concepts.
>>44483938
>Defending terrible mechanics
>liking the taste of shit in your mouth'
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>>44483948
>I haven't even glanced at the game I am criticizing
Amazing.
>>44483297
>Obviously the core book can't include everything
Where there's will there's a way.
>>44478270
I swear that picture is goddamn Duelmasters card.
>>44482734
Is this any good? Don't have time to check it out right now, but I'd cream myself for a good sid homebrew.
>>44484021
It's certainly not an Exalted picture, if that's what you were thinking. The copyright at the bottom is WoTC.
>>44484010
Yes, because radically changing how a game works from the very premise worked out so well for other games like DnD. I mean look at 3.5e and 4e...
Oh...
>>44483835
Again, if they actually had a competent designing team that would come up with an innovative system to encapsulate the feeling the game is supposed to convey, we could have that.
Except we don't have competent designers, we have a bunch of boobs who are barely above fan-fiction writters in that they don't actually udnerstand how to design systems, but can only play around changing parts of the Storyteller system. Granted, they have a rather intimate understanding of it (which makes the shit like xp/bp divide that much more insulting), but they aren't actual designers. They are glorified lego-builders is what they are.
>>44484012
Sadly, real life isn't a fantasy story, and sometimes there just is no way regardless of the amount of will involved.
>>44484046
But 4e was the best edition of DnD ever. Not exactly a good example to defend your point.
>>44484010
Ha ha what it's been three years and he's still using that fucking hamtaro avatar?
>>44484046
>dipshit grogs with bad taste have bad taste
>>44484091
He's using a slightly different one now, based on Volfer.
>>44484085
>Again, if they actually had a competent designing team that would come up with an innovative system to encapsulate the feeling the game is supposed to convey, we could have that.
How, exactly, would that be achieved? I mean, even the most competent of people can't do everything, and just claiming that competent people could achieve a given thing without offering any suggestions about how they might achieve it isn't exactly a strong argument.
>>44484097
He's so gay, oh my God.
>>44484089
The Exalted 3e audience everyone!
>>44484091
He still uses that one for his twitter
>>44484097
you mean pic related?
>Inb4 picture for ants
I know it's tiny but I don't care enough to find a larger picture
>>44484085
Honestly though, if the Exalted devs wrote Beast the Primordial, it really would be way less of a shit-show, even if it did use bp/xp.
What element was the Scarlet Empress again?
>>44484182
In 2E, I think Earth. In 1E and 3E, who knows?
>>44484157
But... I like D&D 4E and Exalted 3E too. What even is the point being made.
>>44484182
Earth, but the RotSE write-up says she's taken the charm that gives you extra elements 4 times to get all the rest
>>44484182All of them
>>44484089
Which turned out to be such a failure with so many people going over to Pathfinder they had to make 5e as a "hey guys we're really DnD! Please come back!
They made the mistake of trying to appeal to a wider audience at the cost of alienating their core group. When the casuals moved on (as they always do) you're left with a product with not even remotely close the amount of people it had before. Only difference is you won't have curious casuals going "Oh this is the DnD thing? I'll look into it" and instead going "WTF is Exalted, I heard about DnD."
Retaining the core audience by not alienating old players is more important while at the same time making the game a bit broader to people new to Exalted.
>>44484192
>>44484196
>Scarlet Empress
>Scarlet
>Earth element
wtf.
>>44484193
That you have shit taste. 3.5 master race. And we will wait for a good edition of Exalted. Exalted 4e when?
>>44484193
The point was to make vague implications because that's easier than actually thinking of something worthwhile to say.
>>44484209
It's like fire aspects don't have exclusive rights to the color red, mang.
She's a red-headed earth aspect. Like how Ejava is a red-headed wood aspect.
>>44484214
>3.5 is inarguably superior
>>44484095
>dipshit grogs have bad taste for not liking 4E
??? Just stick to a gimmick, mang.
>>44484207
>Which turned out to be such a failure with so many people going over to Pathfinder they had to make 5e as a "hey guys we're really DnD! Please come back!
It did not "turn out to be such a failure." Wizards never published their sales, but the number of subscribers for D&D Insider alone had to have raked in enormous piles of cash. It did not make as much money as expected because WotC had unreasonable expectations. Pathfinder made enough money for the smaller company that made it.
>>44484209
Sometimes a color is just a color
>>44484252
Part of it was also that D&D Essentials turned people off of 4E, and was a bad idea to begin with because it made everything confusing.
>>44484086
That's a real book right there. It should fit all of Exalted with plenty of room to spare.
>>44484278
What I want to know is, how do you even begin reading that monstrosity.
>>44484242
I think the guy defending 4e was the same defending Exalted 3e. Shit taste cannot be fixed.
>>44484252
Peak 3.5 went from 6 million players worldwide to 1 million players worldwide with 4, dingus. It was an absolute disaster.
>>44484089
>>44484207
>>44484242
>>44484252
Oh hey look at this DnD general!3.5/PF and 4E were roughly equally good, which means they were neither outstanding nor outrageously bad. Fun with a good group, decent enough that their existence is a positive thing.
>>44484305
Oh? So you have some way of knowing exactly how many people were playing the system? And obviously there were five million Pathfinder players, too, who you identified?
>>44484296
What I want to know how you take the parts of it you're going to need with you when playing in someone else's house.
>>44484301
They're different systems with different priorities anyways mang, there's nothing wrong with liking different games.
>>44484196
RotSE was actually one of the better 2nd edition supplements, really.
>>44484323
About a million pathfinder actually, which is pretty fucking embarassing when a ripoff had equal numbers to the currently supported version of the official product.
>>44484351
Disagree. Parts were good (like where Szoreny and Isidoros were acting like divine prison snitches to get out on parole) but other parts of it were really hit or miss, especially the section on the East.
>>44484386
I repeat, how do you know how many people were playing 4e?
>>44484351
I always liked the idea that due to the Sidereals doing whatever they could to save Creation through Fate workings they accidentally got all Five Dragons to Exalt her at the same time. Making her five Dragonblooded in one.
>>44483989
Say I want to make a Night Caste justicar-type character. You know, the kind of character that is supposed to be jury, judge and executioner. The Caste abilities are actually fine because yeah, Larceny, Stealth, Investigation, Awareness, they all work quite well.
But then I run into the problems because I NEED Dodge, and I NEED Integrity and I NEED bare minimum of Survival and that's even not talking about stupid shit like being firced to have 1 dot of Linguistics to read and write.
So I ned up just not having enough favourites/castes for what I want and not enough dots.
Or say I want to make a Twilight Plague Doctor from Sijan. Again the same problem- I can make the character, but it will be crippled by minimums that I must have. and that is even before I get to charms.
And if I go the other way around and just make a build, like a very heavy Melee build for exmaple I end up with a one-dimensional character that is good at one thing, but I have to struggle to make them good at anything else and if I do, I have to go out of my way to explain why they even picked up those skills and why they don't have charms for them.
>>44484396
>Isidoros
>Parole
Isn't his entire thing rampaging uncontrollably in a random direction?
>>44484315
I wasn't even debating which game is better. Point is WotC fucked up hard on making the game because they attempted to get a larger audience at the price of ignoring the older crowd.
>>44484228
The ginger Db waifus are one of the worst things in the fluff.
>>44484448
Listen to me: unless you are playing a dedicated combat or social specialist, you don't need to max out your dodge or integrity or whatever. A couple of dots at most ought to be more than fine.
As for dodge, you can favor melee and boost up your Parry instead.
>>44484468
They essentially entirely abandoned their old fluff and their old crunch at the same time, after 30 years with at least some continuity between older and newer products.
It was unfathomably dumb to change like that regardless of the end result then, and it's still dumb now with AoS.
These companies never learn, apparently.
>>44484448
>but I have to struggle to make them good at anything else and if I do, I have to go out of my way to explain why they even picked up those skills and why they don't have charms for them.
I'm really not following. You don't automatically have to have charms for every ability dot you take. Is your ST just an ass or what?
>>44484448
Being good at an ability can mean having as much as two dots in it. Your character can be good at many things because of this, but the existence of the Supernal ability encourages specialization, you should be putting about 8 charms into that ability at chargen.
Your Dawn is only one dimensional if you don't give him ties or principles beyond the minimum amount, there's absolutely no problem with Swording every challenge that you meet. Exalted is a game of the consequences for doing so, both good and bad.
>>44484448
If you want ignore that 1 ling dot = literal rule. Most people I know do.
Dodge is a must have if you're going ranged, otherwise you can skimp if going Brawl or Melee as they have defensive options.
Use BP to slam the caste abilities you want to bust. Survival if you want to track people but you don't need it favored (just enough for Bloodhound really). Integrity is the same, as carefully planned intimacies you don't really need high integrity. It's not like 3e where it was a no brainer due to social defense and cool shit.
>>44484351
You shut your whore mouth.
>>44484461
Well, it was Szoreny who had the prison snitch plan, he just wanted an out for Isidoros too as part of the deal, because Isidoros is his Brozi.
They don't really go into much detail about what Isidoros himself might think of Szoreny's plan...
Is "Ugly Bastard in Assless Leather Chaps" a good Abyssal name?
>>44484719
Honestly?
No.
>>44484719
In the sort of groups I play with, sure.
In real groups that want to actually lay the game properly, probably better to go with something like: Noxious Whore In Tattered Rags Despairing In The Cold Winds Of Of The West.
>>44484719
Whilst I'm not exactly going to say yes, it's not like it's worse than the average canon name for one.
>>44484556
That's what I'm talking about when I say the character ends up one-dimensional, having charms for 2-3 abilities and none or the other. And if I want to make a character that is actually realistic and encapsulates the concept it's horribly suboptimal.
>>44484719
Chaps do not cover the ass. This is by default.
>>44484471
Context?
>>44484825
You don't need a charm to have a concept: charms just give your concept more weight. Just buy the dots at chargen and pick up the charms over play.
>>44484825
Why should a nuanced character be superhumanly good, rather than just humanly good, in a whole bunch of abilities? A couple of dots and an Excellency are enough to make you plenty impressive as far as most of the setting is concerned. As for being suboptimal, whether that matters or not depends entirely on the rest of the group and the way your ST builds his NPCs. There is no obligation to optimize.
>>44484840
I just don't like the Suethress, her cunt daughter, or Girl Caesar.
>>44484840
Assless Chaps.
>>44484917
Okay, now I'm just thinking of a bunch of british men who were born without asses.
>>44484911
I don't know who these characters are. Are they in 2e or 3e? And what book?
>>44484965
They've been around since 1E, anon is talking about the Scarlet Empress, Mnemon, and Tepet Ejava.
>>44484965
The Empress (who is too absent to be a Mary Sue), Mnemon (who you're not supposed to like) and Tepet Ejava (who really is a Girl Caesar, or rather a Mature Woman Caesar, and this is great).
>>44484559
Except that having specific ties and story elements should translate to having relevant abilities on high levels and several charsm asociated with those abilities. These kinds of characters are what Id escribe as "fitting a concept". Like, don't you think it's weird when a character who, say, has a backstory of being a street urchin in Nexus and survving on the street has no dots in Larceny, Stealth and Survival and not a single charm associtaed with those abilities? It makes that backstory a farce, there's this sense of disconnect bewteen the game mechanics and story
>>44484887
Thing is, there is just not enough Caste/Favoured slos to go around for even Excellencies because there are skills that are just a must and in order to buy them cheap, you need to favour them.
>>44485036
>Nexus and survving on the street has no dots in Larceny, Stealth and Survival and not a single charm associtaed with those abilities?
Except your Street Urchin spent much more time being a street urchin, and much less time being an Exalt, thus far. It would totally make sense for that character to have ability dots in their core competencies but may, as of yet, lack charms for them.
>>44485063
I have to ask, what skills are "must" skills for you?
>>44485013
>Untouchable dickwaving NPC responsible for damn near everything due to infinite just as keikakus that ensures everything falls apart because she's gones who gets a cancerous what -if supplement tying her to the apocalypse after becoming some other faggot npc's bitch
>Not a massive mary sue
Her daughter while less worse is shitty cuz she's just fucking boring and a dipshit much like girl caeser.
I mean even Nardo characters are better
>>44485036
>Like, don't you think it's weird when a character who, say, has a backstory of being a street urchin in Nexus and survving on the street has no dots in Larceny, Stealth and Survival
A street urchin should have a dot or two in these Abilities, sure. This does not require a huge investment.
>and not a single charm associtaed with those abilities
Well, no. Why would this be weird? You can be good at things without having Charms. Your character obviously didn't have Charms in these Abilities before he Exalted, and after he Exalts he learns Charms related to things that are currently relevant to him. If an Ability is kind of an important part of your character's backstory but not really a central part of what he does now, just take two dots in it, have it as a Favored Ability and enjoy your free Excellency.
>>44485137
The Empress is a plot device: her role in the game is defined by her absence.
RotSE missed the point of that though, and was bad.
>>44485165
It's still shit
>>44485165
Nah, RotSE fulfilled the plot hook. It wasn't presented as the ONE TRUE way to resolve it, just a big sweeping apocalpytic plotline going somewhere with that shit.
>>44485137
Yes, anon, a character who's gone, who doesn't appear on-screen, who is not in a position to affect anything whatsoever anymore sure as fuck isn't a Mary Sue. Besides, we don't exactly have detailed information about her history and actions. How much of her achievements was due to personal brilliance, how much due to luck luck, how much due to talented retainers and Sidereal patronage? Was what she achieved what she sought to achieve? How often did she fail, how many dreams and goals did she have unfulfilled? We don't know. There's no canon information.
>>44485118
Integrity, Socialize, Dodge, Awareness, bare minimum of Survival and a minimum of one combat skill. you need at least 3 Resolve and Guile to not swoon over normal mortals and to be able to actually lie once in a blue moon.
So the only place for detailed information about the Cult of the Illuminated is in Cult of the Illuminated correct? Nothing else anywhere else?
>>44485234
all of it
100% her because she's some dev's waifu
read between the lines fuckboy
>>44485311
Cult of the Illuminated is terrible, don't use it.
Literally any product that says "PC's will learn eventually, so play dumb for now" is stupid.
>>44483824
You know how some materials can lose color intensity if they are old/stay in the sun for years and things like that?
Solar anima bleaching works like that, only fast.
>>44485344
Geoff Grabowski based the Empress on Qin Shi Huang. She was never meant to be a sympathetic or admirable character, given how many negative things Grabowski had to say about the actual Qin Shi Huang.
>>44485418
>implying that matters
>implying grabowski isn't a hack and a dipshit who screwed the pooch so badly its legacy of fuck ups continues to this day.
>>44485465
So...why do you hang around /exg/, again?
So a while back I've seen soem anons complaining that the Golde Janissary style didn't find its way into the core. I was wondering if anybody transferred it already? If not, any hints on how should I go about it?
>>44485465
>implying that matters
Yes, it does. Why do you think it doesn't?
>>44484038
It seems okay, and is certainly better then using the stats for the Bronze Faction Assassin (Or gold faction Benefactor if we're feeling fancy) over and over.
>>44485418
>She was never meant to be a sympathetic or admirable
She cancelled two Apocalypses. And cried over the comrades she had to sacrifice to do it.
I feel as though that should count for something in this discussion.
>>44485673
Even the most selfish bastard of all times should be motivated to cancel the Apocalypse, though, and crying for your fallen comrades is normal rather than admirable. That said, RotSE aside, the Empress has been described vaguely and in general terms, leaving her character largely open to speculation. She might be a fundamentally admirable character who did her best in the situations she was in, she might be a horrible monster who did most of what she did out of greed and lust for power, or she might be somewhere in between.
>>44485673
Keeping in mind, after cancelling said apocalypse she ruled as a tyrant over what was left, and even if she regretted sacrificing her comrades, she totally did it.
What does Worshipful Lackey Acquisition imply with ''achieves a goal through lecture, prophecy, oration, or other forms of performance''? Is it talking specifically about using the Performance skill or is succeeding at something with Presence fine too?
>>44486019
Does it really matter which one of the brainwashing charms you go for? They're all just brainwashing charms.
>>44485933
To be fair, though, for someone who grew up in the militaristic Shogunate and just witnessed an almost-double-Apocalypse, making sure that someone has enough power to stop something like that from happening again might genuinely seem like the best course of action for everyone.
>>44486071
What are you talking about?
>>44486019
Given that performance isn't capitalized, you'll be fine if you lecture, prophecy, or orate with presence.
>>44486071
I know you're not going to read the book but could you at least read what other people are actually saying?
>>44486239
Well, the way Exalted mechanics tend to work, you end up with roughly a billion charms for brainwashing people with.
>>44486358
Well, he was asking how a charm worked. Not what charm is best.
>shit OPs make for shit threads
Shocking.
>>44486531
That's probably why it was made.
It's just one dude spamming the thread ineptly, for the most part everyone else is still talking.
How do I get good at the social influence system? Every time I convince an NPC of something with a successful roll, they just spend a point of willpower and make me eat shit.
>>44487041
Get a better ST.
>>44487041
Basically this. >>44487141
Someone should only spend WP on things that they would actually not want to give a shit about. And they only have so many, especially with the vastly limited WP regen in 3e. You get 1wp back per good night's sleep.
If you're trying to make people do things that are incredibly counter to what they are or want as a person, then yeah they're gonna be resisting. That's why you don't try and add an Intimacy of "Slaves are people too!" to someone with "Slaves are the bee's knees!" because that shit is contradictory and easier to refuse. You can have contradictory intimacies, and in fact a lot of people do but they are much harder to add as opposed to them coming naturally.
Also, for Persuade actions, they need to have another Intimacy at equal strength to the one you used to Persuade them to do something and then explain why that Intimacy allows them to refuse to even have the option of spending Willpower to resist.
>>44485311
So went off the internet for a couple hours. Guess I was right in my assumption that the only book to cover it at all was Cult of the Illuminated in 1e.
>>44485036
>Like, don't you think it's weird when a character who, say, has a backstory of being a street urchin in Nexus and survving on the street has no dots in Larceny, Stealth and Survival
I'd assume they'd have one, maybe two, dots in those skills.
>and not a single charm associtaed with those abilities?
It wouldn't surprise me at all that they wouldn't have any charms in those skills. Charms are extremely powerful, and if those skills aren't a core part of who that character is, then it's entirely reasonable that they wouldn't have charms in those skills.
>It makes that backstory a farce, there's this sense of disconnect bewteen the game mechanics and story
There really isn't.
>>44485234
Being brilliant and all around amazing is not what a Mary Sue is. A Mary Sue is a character who has "features" in lieu of being an actual character with defined personality and traits to explain why they are amazing.
Her Redness is a figure of legend. A previous Anon was right. She is more plot device than Mary Sue.
>>44488277
Ok Holden
>>44488277
A Mary Sue is an author insert who is adored by every other character.
>>44488700
Which the Empress most certainly is not. For one, she isn't enough of a character to be author insert, and there's a fuckload of people in the setting who don't adore her. The game itself, insofar as there is anything like the game's official point of view, doesn't consider her or her empire worth adoration.
Guys, guys, guys. I have a really, really stupid idea.
Step one: You take Stamina 5 and Ox-Body Technique times 5.
Step two: have Essence 3.
Step three: have Injury-Forcing Technique, Touch of Blissful Release and Life-Exchanging Prana.
Step four: Find a reliable way to deliver a decisive gambit (Stealth maybe?).
Step five: Take 21 levels of damage using Life-Exchanging Prana, use Touch of Blissful Release to ignore wound penalties for a moment, transfer 21 wounds with Injury-Forcing Technique.
Who needs perfects amirite?
>>44488881
Step 4 sounds like an 'easier said than done' kind of thing.
>>44488881
You missed the part where you can 1) only transfer (Essence) HLs in one go, 2) using Injury Forcing Technique is explicitly a difficulty 5 gambit, and 3) are paying 5 motes per HL and 1wp, so 105 motes, 7wp, and 35 init.
But yeah sure if ALL THAT happens, you just killed a guy.
>>44484046
>I mean look at 3.5e and 4e...
Made more money than any other games until 5e?
>>44489078
Its much easier to just kill someone straight off by stealthing and doing an ambush attack.
>>44488638
>>44484305
>>44489112
Ok Holden.
I wonder if Warstriders will be worth it this time.
>>44489516
>>44489623
So do we all, anon. We should know it once Arms of the Chosen comes out.
>>44489623
Supposedly, yes: they'll be coming with evocations that are significantly beefier than what we've seen for artifacts.
>>44489078
I mean yeah, it's the sort of thing sin't even a gimmick, it's one of those things that fall under the catgory of "an incredibly convoluted way of achieving something that could be achieved so much easier ithat it ends up not even being entertaining but just baffling".
I want dnd magic (fireball, magic missile, et cetera) suggestions for adding these things using 3e's rules?
>>44489861
1) Don't.
2) If you must, don't add it as Sorcery. Merits like The Burning Name under the Ifrit Lord pact are fine, as are Charms (e.g. Elemental Bolt) if they're in-theme for the creature.
3) As you may have noticed, you're not going to get D&D magic all under one banner, because Exalted made the very wise decision to cut up magic rather than leaving it as a generic do-all blob that you either had 100% access to or 0% access to. (Workings aside, but those are ALSO not at all D&D magic.)
>>44489861
Give everyone sorcery, nerf the attack spells and cut their sorcerous mote costs by half.
Also that's a terrible idea, but hey, if you're determined to...
>>44489861
Play fucking DnD.
Or, alternatively, treat them as normal attacks using the stats of normal weapons but an appropriate Attribute+Ability combination. Perception+Occult or Dexterity+Occult, with stats of a light thrown weapon for magic missile-alike, maybe. I'm honestly not a huge fan of the idea - sorcery providing weapons that still require the normal combat Abilities to use effectively is more to my taste - but that's how I would do it.
>>44489861
play anima
>>44484214
Isn't 3.5 the edition where anyone who isn't a spellcaster sits in the corner and watches the casters do everything? I can't imagine playing a game where half the classes are worthless and saying it's the best.
What are the worst Charms in Exalted 3e?
>>44490200
Worst as in most useless, worst as in most thematically inappropriate, or worst in some other respect?
>>44490177
Well, it's sort of a natural problem of it being a pretty solidly simulationist game, and then having non-supernatural characters.
If you have a guy who's really good at stabbing things and another guy who can teleport and throw fireballs, the wizard is going to win unless the swordsman also has access to some form of superpowers.
Basically DM and Player responsibility to not powergame so that the more restrained classes can keep up, and it helps if you steer a swordsman PC towards using shit like the Book of Nine Swords, which has supernatural weapons disciplines.
>>44490228
Well, I mean, ignoring the double 9s garbage, Charms you hate the most?Has anyone crunched the numbers on how many real charms there are compared to stupid dice tricks?
>>44490177
Does anybody else find this statement to be anything less then hilarious in an Exalted thread?
>>44490200
That one Lore charm that lets you teach retarded people. Because you know how frequently the need for special education arises in a game where you play a Goku or a Merlin.
>>44490200
The one most consistently bitched about is the Doombot charm, which makes me confused because building a robot buddy of yourself to take the fall sounds swell to me.
>>44490257
I thought the same thing.
>>44490257
Well, a group of Solars is stronger than a group of Dragonblooded, yes, but unlike 3.5 D&D the book actually layed out that this was the case instead of continuing with the transparent lie that a level 20 Fighter is on the same level as a level 20 Druid.
>>44490258
The part that kills me is that it's required to get to any of the good charms.
>>44490253
Well, Shadow Replacement Technique is one of my most hated Charms. It would be pretty cool for Abyssals or maybe Infernals, but feels very much thematically inappropriate for Solars.
>>44490257
Why? Do you feel that any of the Castes is significantly weaker or stronger than the others?
>>44490249
>If you have a guy who's really good at stabbing things and another guy who can teleport and throw fireballs, the wizard is going to win unless the swordsman also has access to some form of superpowers.
In Exalted 3e, I feel that even in a party of heroic mortals, a well-played sorcerer would not obviate an expert swordsman and duelist.
Possibly because Exalted does not subscribe to the inane D&Dism that sorcerers should be a match for warriors in terms of combat, which makes no sense, has no mythological resonance, and is only acceptable in games where you only play as wizards, like Ars Magica or oWoD/nWoD Mage.
>>44490200
All of them
>>44490358
No. I mean if you want to play anything other then a Solar you are choosing to be a weaker.
>>44490308
So its OK as long as they tell you about it first?
>>44490359
Well, Exalted Sorcery always has been kind of a pathetic way to channel essence for anything other than long-winded rituals.
>>44490359
In Exalted, every Exalt is a caster and they all have magic.
>>44490359
>Implying exalted has any substance as well
>>44490380
thatsthepoint.jpg
>>44490371
>So its OK as long as they tell you about it first?
Yes. I'd be way less frustrated with D&D 3.5 if people kept on telling me that no, Wizards and Fighters are totally balanced together because of x, y, z.
Ars Magica also lays out the idea of caster superiority into the very premise of the game, even though it does (if you're feeling masochistic) let you play an ordinary person if that's your bag.
>>44490381
No. Charms/Essence is more like the Force than traditional magic.
>>44490386
I don't even know what point you're trying to make.
>>44490371
>No. I mean if you want to play anything other then a Solar you are choosing to be a weaker.
Right, but Castes as the closest equivalent to DnD's classes. Different splats are more like races with differing level adjustments.
>>44490412
Poster is a fag and possibly holden trotting the tired muh mythology
>>44490393
A class that can only do well with a long time to work is kinda shit for a combat heavy game dude.
As I said in the first place, the correct balance isn't making magic pathetic, which is y'know, less cool by definition... It's making martial classes use less flexible but more direct supernatural talents that buff up their natural skills.
>>44490441
>Castes as the closest equivalent to DnD's classes
No. Castes are just picking what skill points and bonus feats you most easily apply for. Every solar has access to essentially the full suite of solar tricks.
>>44490441
If you want to play that game then Dawns are OP as fuck and all the other characters stand around and watch the Dawn win every battle.
>>44490450
>A class that can only do well with a long time to work is kinda shit for a combat heavy game dude.
I guess it's a good thing that Exalted is not a game built solely around combat, then.
>>44490477
In my group, we have a Night and a Zenith who are both major battle contributors (the latter via the battle group of Tiger Warriors that he commands).
>>44490510
Because they multi-classed into Dawns abilities.
>>44490444
Mang, you know, he was talking about stuff like Hercules redirecting a river with his bare hands or Roland holding off an army single-handedly. Mythic shit for warriors, not this D&D shit where you can roll to smack 'em or maybe trip them.
>>44490521
...not sure if you're serious, or an insincere troll.
>>44490537
You are the one trying to tell me that Castes are the equivalent of DND classes.
>>44490488
Yeah, but it's a fucking Storyteller game, it can't handle anything well.
>>44490580
He's talking about Combat Sorcery.
Which is still totes viable now.
>>44490257
You're not supposed to play Dragonbloods in a Solar game, unlike in D&D where you are supposed to have wizards together with your thieves and fighters.
>>44490528
Basically. Wuxia shit is valid too.
Basically anything that lets a warrior pull cooler shit than "Stabs slighly better than he did five levels ago" and keep up with increasingly mystically powerful wizards.
>>44490607
Oh. Were there rules for a game where you had to play a fighter in any group? Or that you can't have 5 wizards? Or Wizards and Clerics and Druids? I must have missed that.
>>44490557
If there is anything in Exalted that is the equivalent of D&D classes, it is Castes. Of course, Exalted isn't a class-based system, so...
Solars versus Dragon-Blooded isn't like Wizards versus Fighters. It's like D&D versus d20 Modern, or W:tF versus V:tR. Two games built on the same system, that may be mechanically compatible to some extent, but clearly aren't intended to be balanced against one another.
>>44490651
Oh you totally have the option, sure, but right from the core book it lays out that Solars are the Strongest and DBs are the weakest. If you're okay with that, go for it, you're at least not being tricked into playing one if you don't want to.
>>44490675
No, the weakest are Heroic Mortals.
>>44490687
Well to be fair, forgetting about mortals is a totally natural thing in Exalted.
>>44490704
As are forgetting Fighters in DND.
>>44483304
Okay then, why aren't Solars the dullest of the avaliable Exalt types?
>>44490719
Because you could be playing a Lunar or a Dragon-King.
