If a Space Marine found a small, defenseless Eldar child, is there any kind of remote chance that said child isn't receiving the Emperor's fury directly in the face?
>>44475946
It would be very minute but it would depend on the writer and what chapter the marine was from.
>>44475946
This is gonna turn into a lolicon thread, isn't it?
>>44476002
Well I hope not. I'm genuinely intrigued.
Very slim chance. They're xenos scum. That said I love the mental image of space marines defending children.
>Be Ultramarine
>Planet under attack by Orks
>Kill the Orks, evac as many civilians as can be without compromising position.
>Find small child, start escorting him out as you fall back.
>Suddenly Orks
>He picks up a bolter off a dead comrade and takes out a few Orks, saving your skin.
>You set your hand upon his head, having made a decision.
>He shall be Astartes.
>>44475946
I'm pretty sure >>44475983 has it right. Some of the less extremist chapters (the Salamanders maybe? Though that depends if they would diferentiate between regular Eldar or Dark Eldar I suppose) might hand the child over to the inquisition. If a chapter like the Marines Malevolent found her on the other hand...
>>44476119
>his body rejects the implants and he dies horribly, whereas if you'd left him alone he'd at least have had a life
also
>small child firing a bolter
>small child firing a space marine bolter
>>44475946
Just look at the way she is dressed. And those pig tails. She is pretty much asking to be purged.
>>44476156
Well why do you think the smurf picked him to be Astartes. Kid's got a hell of an arm.
Fuck. I want to say they would spare it. Let it go, and fend for itself, give no aid.....But a horrible gut feeling tells me they would just purge....Xeno or not, slaughtering younglings...
>>44475946
Now I want stories about Space Marines saying "screw the rule" in order to Do The Right Thing.
I mean, for fuck's sake, we all know the real way to defeat Chaos is to be Sailor Moon.
>>44476156
>Implying any human being could fire a bolter if they weren't completely bullshit.
I mean they're basically rocket propelled bullets for fuck's sake. Half their 'science' explanation is to explain how something so impractical somehow manages to be able to be fired by any human being.
That said, wow way to be a bummer dickweed.
I think that falls under the Inquisition or something, doesn't it?
Like say, Space Marines raid an Eldar ship and kill them all, but there's a child one found hiding. In that case, the child would be of a lot of use to the Ordo Xenos for study.
>>44476227
>That said, wow way to be a bummer dickweed.
>setting is literally endless horror and black comedy
>>44475946
Probably not. Even pre-heresy the Imperium was pretty clear on its disdain for xenos scum.
Best case scenario some radical inquisitor gets it sanctioned and uses it for science/slavery
If it aint guided by the emperors light it aint right.
>>44476256
Now when space marines are involved. Then its power fantasy and gothic tragedy. Get your shit together. If this was an Imperial Guard story the kid would die horribly.
Here, he instead grows up with his mentor, becomes a powerful and noble Ultramarine, and then kills his master in the climax after said mentor falls to chaos.
>>44476224
seconding this request. I want Sailor Eldar
>Salamanders
Nope, no purge. No way, no how. No.
>Ultramarines and descendants
They check the "Babysitting" section of the Codex Astartes.
>Flesh Tearers
If it staves off the Black Rage for one more moment...
>Imperial Fists and descendants, Raven Guard, White Scars
Completely ignored, as the kid can't be fortified, it isn't hiding or going fast.
>Dark Angels and Unforgiven
What kid?
>Blood Ravens
The kid is a gift.
>>44476119
Crimson Fists did most of this.
>>44476325
>>44476224
>An Alpha Psyker whose insane, but instead of being mindlessly homocidal is hopelessly delusional, her mind having cracked wide open when she gazed into the Warp.
I'd watch it.
>>44475946
That depends on the chapter: the Ultramarines or Salamanders would probably have second thoughts while the Mavolents or Grey Knights would find squashing her with their boots a delight.
>>44475983
>It would be very minute but it would depend on the writer and what chapter the marine was from.
So... the only hope in Hell the Eldar child has of not ending up a bloody smear on the pavement is if the writer isn't really in to 40k to begin with. Gotcha.
>>44476321
Regardless of the protagonists that is the setting, dude. Quit reading HH novels.
I kinda want to see this explored by a competent writer. I feel like the marines of some chapters would have a tough time handling this.
Of course they would kill it. Even the "nice" chapters would kill it. If it were captured and handed over to the Ordo Xenos, it would be tortured and dissected which is worse.
Chaos Marines would have a higher likelihood of sparing a random Eldar child than Imperial ones.
>>44476369
>>44476362
>My interpretation of the extremely variable and author-driven 40k setting is the only right one!
>>44476329
>Children cannot be fortified.
Bullshit.
I guess the best way to answer this, is to consider a member of ISIS finding a young American child. Would they kill it outright, or take in for recruitment?
The Invaders chapter of Space Marines destroyed an entire Craftworld. No mention of civvies in there. Then again, there was no mention of the Invaders moving faster the more casualties they took, so I don't know how true is that account.
>>44476224
I've seen this before, and while I don't know how Chaos works in Sailor Moon, I do know Chaos in 40k isn't something you can really fight against, let alone destroy, for Chaos is a critical part of the natural order and of every living being.
Destroying or fighting Chaos means destroying or fighting yourself... which in itself powers Chaos.
>>44476329
>>Blood Ravens
>The kid is a gift.
"Yes inquisitor, I assure you, this small Eldar was 'gifted' to us by Eldraad, of Craftworld Ulthwe. I believe she will make a valuable addition to our collection of artifacts."
>>44476464
That depends on the situation. Jassinaries, or Christians captured by Muslims and converted when they were children were a thing, and brainwashing one of the enemy's own to fight against them has an unnerving effect.
>>44476207
Yesssssss...
Let the hate flow through you...
>>44476464
Frankly, I could see them taking him/her in for recruitment. As fanatical as ISIS is, even they realize they need converts to keep the ranks bolstered.
But it's not the same thing as Space Marines and Eldar.
>>44476354
The way you worded that makes it sound like it would be more of a heartwrenchingly sad story than a silly comedy.
>>44476227
>basically rocket propelled bullets for fuck's sake
I thought Bolt Rounds were gyroscopically propelled from the gun before having their propellant cook off outside of the barrel? Or some silly shit like that to minimize recoil?
>>44476523
Adeptus Sororitas takes in a little Eldar girl, indoctrinates them into the Ecclesiarchy, uses them to fight Chaos.
I'd read it.
>>44476516
>>44476523
ISIS literally have killed hundreds if not thousands of children that are nonbelievers or of different religion. The answer is 'they would kill it outright'.
>>44475946
>not hot gluing that Xeno right in her stupid stuck up face
She's probably like, 200 years old anyways. Shit's Emperor-Approved so long as she's dead before you cum in her cunny.
>>44476554
The Adeptus Sororitas would also kill an Eldar child.
The Imperium is not "good", anons. Nobody in 40k is.
She's there for a reason. Best not to find out why. Drop her on the spot!
Also, if she was just there by accident, if we don't drop her now she'll be back in a few years leading the entire fucking Craftworld on your Chapter.
Or you could return her safe and sound to her Craftworld and hopefully earn some rep with them. Whichever works.
>>44476554
The question now is: Would they cut off her knife ears and try to pass her off as a human? Or would they leave the ears and make sure she knows she's a filthy xeno, and that she only lives by the Emperor's Grace?
>>44476227
Welcome to 40K, child
>>44476574
Correction: the Imperium is what happens when good is stretched to its breaking point and goes mad. As an entity, it strives to be good, but they simply don't know what that is anymore.
It's basically a nation of fallen paladins, and has been ever since the Emperor decided he didn't want to be Jesus anymore.
>>44476538
Well it is set in the 40k universe...
>>44475946
Can she introduce me to foxy Exarch Mamas?
>>44476629
>Correction: the Imperium is what happens when good is stretched to its breaking point and goes mad.
I don't think so. You can't really justify the original intentions of the Imperium as anything other than pro-human, which isn't the same thing.
>>44476429
>>Children cannot be fortified.
Have you tried using them for fortifications and shit, dude? It's a bitch.
Night Lords worthy if done correctly, though. And if you make it so that they keep screaming, oh my.
>>44476227
well there are bolt pistols used by commisars
>>44476661
The Imperium was pro-human yes, but it only became anti-alien after xeno nation upon xeno nation decided to backstab them when they opened their arms up, and the Eldar stood in the distance snickering as the stupid humans trusted the swindling aliens.
The extended thier hand and had it bitten.
>>44476709
you are thinking of DAoT Humanity, not the Imperium
>>44476494
They DEFEATED Chaos, they didn't destroyed it. They just pushed it back for thousands upon thousands of years. The universe is actually gonna be even more fucked because people who could fight it sacrificed themselves.
The two are actually surprisingly close analogs. Fuck, Neo Queen Serenity is basically he Emperor but alive.
>>44476538
Thats my point. They use weird bullshit like that to justify handheld RPGs.
>>44476538
Someone's never seen Sailor Moon. The entire show opens with a theosophic solar system spanning kingdom being completely destroyed, and its sole heirs being reincarnated on the only planet that still has life, while the enemies who destroyed civilization are still out there.
At one point, the incarnation of evil basically obtains divinity, and is only stopped when the main characters use time travel to get two of the Macguffin of Light, so they can use twice the deux ex to defeat him.
One Sailor Scout's entire purpose in life is to destroy planets and civilizations. Sailor Beerus is a thing, and you think Sailor Moon wouldn't be just as grim a story in 40k?
>>44476751
>They just pushed [Chaos] back for thousands upon thousands of years.
I have Cadia on the phone saying Sailor Moon ain't shit.
>>44475946
In Ian Watson's Harlequin space marines were insulted when inquisitor ordered them to kill eldar children.
>>44476709
Yeah, you know, in the Great Crusade, the Emperor really tried very hard to make friendly relations with all the countless xeno species he encountered. He definitely didn't immediately slaughter and genocide all of them on the spot, along with any humans living peacefully with said aliens.
>>44476329
>Salamanders
>Nope, no purge. No way, no how. No.
Vulkan says yes, he enjoyed burning human and eldar children alive.
>>44476821
Which chapter?
>>44476788
Takes big balls to invade the Moon (and every other planet on Solar? I don't remember) with swords and pitchforks like Beryl did.
>>44476872
Imperial Fists.
>>44476709
>Eldrad tried to warn the Imperium of Horus's betrayal
>Eldar are all heartless assholes! how dare they not bend over backwards and sacrifice themselves en masse to protect humans!
>>44476538
Well that depends if this is a 40k version of Sailor Moon or a Sailor Moon story that takes place in 40k.
In the former the psykers delusions would cause huge amounts of harm and suffering to those around them which would push them closer and closer to a complete break with reality. Eventually she would fall to chaos and doom an entire subsector to a messy death, or sacrifice her life and doom her soul to an eternity of torture to redeem herself and protect those she care about.
In the later her delusions ultimately help things work out for the better against all forms of logic and common sense and she becomes know as a great saint and hero, the most blessed of all the Emperor's servants gifted with the largest piece of His power ever seen. Eventually she sacrifices her life and dooms her soul to an eternity of torture to protect an entire subsector from the vile forces of Chaos.
>>44476119
That did happen in a short story with the Dark Hunters. Only it was a Nurgle cult, not orks.
I can't really be sure Astartes would care much about children beyond having a duty to defend Imperial civilians. There is one point where a White Consul in an Eisenhorn novel goes out of his way to scoop up a child to take him to safety, but of course he turns out to be a rogue pysker.
>>44476935
Please, if this was "Sailor Moon: In the Imperium", the story would end with the scouts diving into the Eye of Terror and destroying it with the power of love while Usagi wears a gala dress and you know it.
>>44476993
If this was "Sailor Moon in the Imperium" Hereticus would drop her so fast her story would be a five minute short.
If she doesn't attract the attentions of a couple thousand daemons first.
>>44476851
When and why the hell would Vulkan, objectively the nicest of the Primarchs, burn human children alive? Eldar children I can see as collateral, but I haven't seen anything about child Chaos cultists ever
>>44477031
Are you kidding? End of series Sailor Scouts are overpowered as shit. You'd have an easier time dropping Saitama in 40k then Serena.
>>44477062
Go and read Promethean Sun.
>>44477031
>Implying an Inquisitor would have enough firepower on hand to kill Sailor Moon
>Implying Sailor Moon couldn't easily beat a few thousand daemons
>>44476821
That might be more due to feeling its beneath them rather than any real compassion though.
>>44477068
>>44477120
I recall Sailor Moon being overpowered as shit against things that are evil.
Neither Chaos nor the Imperium are evil, just like neither Chaos nor the Imperium are good.
>>44477031
Two quote the last such thread
>>39571857
>No, nigger, you don't understand. Sailor Moon died and then got bored of that so she didn't be dead anymore. Multiple times. On purpose, not by plot fiat. Once it was after she got erased from existence and Noped that right the fuck off. Her power is "not dying."
>>44477176
Unless you're going to argue that a D&D Paladin dropped into 40k wouldn't get Smite Evil against a Khornate demon, you can stfu.
They're evil enough to get killed by moon lasers, regardless of where their moral standing rests in their own universe.Though personally I think Saitama in 40k would be funnier
>>44477200
Daily reminder that at one point in the manga, when they could not locate their enemies on earth, one plan they proposed was Sailor Jupiter using lightning to kill everyone on earth, and Sailor Moon using her magic to resurrect everyone EXCEPT the people they were looking for.
>PCplans
>>44476119
>small child not only lifting and firing a bolter, but surviving the recoil.
>>44475946
>Astartes from Ultramarines descendant chapter fighting Eldar #20 from Craftworld Pissoff
>Spares an Eldar child because it feels wrong shooting her in the face
>Some centuries later a Farseer from Craftworld Pissoff secure an escape route for survivors of the same Chapter
>Captain Chucklefuck recieves a message from the Farseer
>"Now we are even"
>>44477261
Did it work?
>>44477391
They decided against that plan. But the point is that they seriously considered that as an option for defeating literally like 2-3 people. Just carpet bomb the entire earth with magic lightning, then heal everyone who dies.
Sailor Moon is fucking bullshit.
>>44476821
Were they insulted because of the killing children aspect ?
Or were they insulted that the Inquisitor thought that the order needed to be stated ?
>>44476541
It's actually not that silly, considering that's what actual rocket-assisted artillery does. Imagining the same tech scaled down to the size of a rifle is downright tame compared to most of what goes on in 40K.
Plus, having it be rocket-propelled in that fashion means that if you're shooting in null-G you don't immediately start spinning after firing a single shot.
>>44477451
They thought it was pointless and dishonourable waste of time for best human warriors.
>>44477520
So they were pissed that the Inquisitor wanted them to waste their time doing something that could be left for the guard to do ?
Given the slow as balls reproduction rate of Eldar, a kid would make for an excellent bargaining chip to buy some favors with.
>>44475946
Well, there's a chance they'll kill 'em all gentle-like
>>44477560
Yes.
>>44475946
If you found a small, defenseless larval cockroach in your kitchen, would you leave it be?
>>44475946
Well, there's a pretty good chance she'll Recurve the emperor fury in the gut instead, does that count?
>>44477569
But a Space Marine doesn't need to buy favors. The only organization that has any dealings with Eldar in such a way is one of the Navigator Houses.
>>44477261
>PCplans
THIS STORY MAKES PERFECT SENSE NOW
>Usagi is a PC
>the monsters of the week stuff is just the GM scrambling together adventures
>>44477702
As I recall, the Grey Knights gave over a shiton osf soul stones to the Eldar. Plus it's hardly like killing a kid really gets the marines anything.
>>44477062
Because humans cannot and must not coexist with Eldar. A point had to be made.
>>44477685
>Recurve
Receive. Fuck autocorrect, you really messed up there.
>>44477176
>Chaos
>not evil
Nigger you what
>>44477759
That's mostly because the Grey Knights don't fight xenos, and have enough knowledge about the Eldar to recognize that they hate Chaos just as much as they do.
Most Imperial organizations, let alone Space Marine Chapters, have trouble telling eldar from their dark cousins, and even then view both of enemies of the Imperium and abominations. Killing the kid would prevent a future enemy from growing up, where not killing the kid would net...what? A deal with xenos? Even if they didn't consider that heresy, the Grey Knights didn't get anything for their trouble.
>>44477886
Well they got a better guarantee that the soul-stones wouldn't end up in chaos's hands. In the Grey Knight's specific purview as a chaos-fighting organization, handing over soul-stones to eldar is the right call.
>>44476541
Actually, a bolter has a small, normal chemical propellant charge that gives the bolt its first kick out the barrel, then a larger rocket engine kicks in to keep it at high speed for a long period of time.
This thread made me wonder.
How would a Space marine react to something so impossible, like the Emperors death or the destruction of there own Chapter.
>>44478150
>The Emperor's Death
Avenge him
>Destruction of their own Chapter
Join the Deathwatch
>>44477880
See >>44476494
>>44478150
Keep fighting.
>>44478150
it depends
they aren't robots, so they will all react somewhat differently
>>44478220
Like how would each different chapter react like the Salamanders or Ultramarines or even the Dark angels
>>44475946
>receiving the Emperor's fury
No anon. The Emperor's mercy. Being a Xeno is heresy and heresy is treason. Treason is punishable by death.
>>44476329
>>Imperial Fists and descendants, Raven Guard, White Scars
>Completely ignored, as the kid can't be fortified, it isn't hiding or going fast.
Black Templars. No pity, No remorse, fill the kid with explosives and shrapnel and use them as a demo charge against the other xeno scum prior charging in glorious melee
>>44475946
Only way I can see it happening is if for some reason the Marine in question is temporarily allied with an Eldar Craftworld, or it's in a highly demilitarised situation.
When you're clearing out an ork infestation with grudging assistance from Eldar and you notice an unarmed xeno civilian, you're curious but there's orks right there to kill. Plus the child is probably why the Eldar are here in the first place, no need to piss off the few xeno who aren't trying to actively kill you at the moment
That or the marine is wandering around outside of his armor and walks into one. In which case he wants to know what's going on and.. Well eats the child's brain to find I suppose. Depends if the marine in question has that ability then.
>>44476227
Gyrojet motherfucker. Do your motherfuckin' research.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrojet
>>44476851
>>44477062
Reminder:
VULKAN LIVES!
*STOMP STOMP*
>>44477759
>>44477702
Well, quick thought. Eldar souls unprotected go to Slaanesh and ultimately make it more powerful, right? Unless they have a soul stone, that is. Wouldn't that mean killing the child may likely increase the power of one of the force that hurt the Imperium worse than the xenos did, even wounding the Emperor of Mankind who now merely sits upon his throne unable to walk among his flock and guide them in person? And if so, would they be willing to perform such act that would make a hated enemy stronger when the battle is currently done? It's one thing when they are shooting at you, but survivors such as kids...their deaths would ultimately work against the Imperium if only because Slaanesh exists.
>>44478480
So, what.. Shove a soulstone into her hand, and then blam her?
Then use the soulstone as a nightlight?
>>44477959
Only other time I can think of that Eldar and SM didn't fight was one time the Dark Angels took a Fallen that the Eldar had captured.
>>44478150
It's...difficult to say, especially the latter. Some Scythes of the Emperor committed suicide - the main character of the story took years to overcome his guilt and feelings of loss, which I thought was beautifully written. Most marines tend to just look for a target to fight, a purpose to continue to strive for even when everything else has been torn from under them.
>>44478575
Now you're getting it!
>>44475946
I didn't even finish reading the post before your typical marine turned it into a stain on the floor.
>>44478575
If you have it, then probably. Just trying to think of whether or not a chapter that knows more about Chaos and/or xenos would do something, and if they would prioritize their enemies at all. Mostly because I would imagine they should hate Chaos enough for corrupting their Battle Brothers and Primarchs, and for what they did to the Emperor, that they would warrant some form of priority. Though this is 40K, so...yeah. Now, not saying they would be nice, either. But who knows, maybe a slow death by radicals using the child as a science project might be kinder than an eternity in Slaanesh's hands.
>>44478639
>Only other time I can think of that Eldar and SM didn't fight was one time the Dark Angels took a Fallen that the Eldar had captured.
Ultramarines united with Alaitoc against necrons, Asurmen helped marines to evacuate hive-world, Blood Angels teamed up with Ulthwe during tyranid invasion, First Dawn of War.
>>44478921
To be fair, aside from the thing with Asurmen, all of those are teaming up against a greater foe, in a sort of 'this enemy is greater than our fight for the moment' sort of deal.
As much as I'd like the Imperium and the Eldar to be more chummy to lessen the grimdark a little, it's not going to happen.
>>44478796
>maybe a slow death by radicals using the child as a science project might be kinder than an eternity in Slaanesh's hands.
Problem is that the slow death by radicals is likely followed by Slaanesh grabbing the soul.
>>44478450
>that fucking vuvuzela
>>44475946
A loyal and intelligent Astartes would use the girl as a bargaining chip to smooth over diplomatic difficulties with the Eldar.
I have to wonder whether an Order Malleus inquisitor who learned about the Ynnead project might end up being on board with it.
>>44476788
>>wouldnt be just as grim
sailor moon is not grim dark, but i'll give you that it's writing is just as over the top and awful as 40k.
>>44479366
Wow that's kind of insulting to sailor moon
>>44476325
Well there's the 'Lovehammer' crossover story that I think I remember hearing good things about.
>>44479381
look have you actually watched that shit? maybe they polished later seasons but sailor moon was an awful show with terrible pacing and character development. thats not to say they didn't have no character development, but most of that shit was done by the fans. The actual show is a mess. and why shouldn't it be? it's like hotel's near an airport. they don't need to not be shit, theyre already making bank just by being close when you wanted a place to crash from jet lag.
Sailor moon was a show for little lolis to have their own sentai magical girl show.
>>44479419
Well yeah it's bad but not 40k bad
>>44476227
>>44476541
>>44477471
>>44478095
Has /tg/ literally never heard of the Gyrojet?
>>44476735
>>44476839
You guys are forgetting that humanity was very much shaped by the DAoT, and the Emperor likely can remember portions of it.
That, and the fact that his end-game goal was basically to turn every human into an equal if not greater, but probably going to end up lesser over-all, versions of himself and basically become the new race of Pseudo-Old Ones, can't do that when you got a bunch of mud-slinging aliens dragging you down.
>>44476907
The problem with that entire scenario, is that Eldra is, always has been, and always will be a smug fucking cunt that makes stars want to suddenly gain sapience and punch his teeth inwards.
>>44475946
>implying an eldar child isn't more than a match for any savage
Silly mon'keigh.
>>44476516
The jassinary system was put into place because the Quran forbids bloodshed between Muslims, so in order to wage war on their rivals they formed armies of Christian slaves.
This practice is no longer necessary in the modern day because it has been replaced by the far more efficient method of simply declaring that the group you wish to fight are not true Muslims.
>>44477062
Because his homeworld was continually ravaged by Dark Eldar raids, which the craftworld Eldar had no interest in stopping. Left a bit of a bad taste in his mouth.
>>44476788
You're making Sailor Moon sound a lot cooler than it actually is. The show was 50% brainless superhero stuff, 40% slice-of-life comedy, 10% actual plot.and I still loved every minute of it
>>44475946
The typical member of the Imperium would need a reason to not kill the child.
>>44476224
>Do The Right Thing.
how saving a xeno is a good thing, you double heretic?
>>44481706
Would you kill your sadistic, sometimes autistic, brother for going and poking fun at kids? Since in the general sense, that's what was going on.
>>44475946
>Pic related
>>44475946
Yes. Probably by using the Eldar as a hostage. The Imperium, despite often being dogmatic has been known to be pragmatic.
Well depending on the Chapter's history they might have a blood/honour debt to the Eldar. Several chapters have a history of occasional cooperation and tolerance.
>>44475946
This is 40k, even the Salamanders would purge it.
>>44476648
Yes. Yes she can.
>>44482107
>Chapter's history they might have a blood/honour debt to the Eldar
absolutely revolting.
0/10, would sent Minotaurs to purge
>>44475983
How would a dark angel act?
>>44482133
There was never a child. Stop asking foolish questions
>>44476494
The real thing you need to do is to try and soften it, curtail it, a process that would inevitably involve self discipline and mastering your self, conquest of others is easy. The true fight is to conquer yourself
>>44481655
Why are so many Muslims complete assholes?
>>44481983
Why are DC comics so tasteless now?
>>44482094
Well most of the imperium knows better then to crush a soul stone, not only is it a super dick move, but it just feeds slaanesh and nobody wants that
>>44482178
Terrible living conditions and once literally having a city of theirs being invaded and captured by fedoras. Those that don't snap are actually rather pleasant to be around.
>>44482178
because many humans are assholes.
>>44482209
>implying most of the imperium knows anything about chaos other than "it's bad".
The imperium deliberately keeps most of it's population in a state of blissful ignorance. Especially about Chaos.
>>44482178
Because any time anything nice happened in their history something ruined it 10 times over.
>>44482244
Does nobody understand that just creates a forbidden fruit effect and leaves the loyal citizens with no fucking clue how to fight the enemy other then moronic witch hunts with only a 50/50 chance of being successful?
>>44482332
In real life or in canon?
>>44482363
Canon, it is literally the worst thing you could do is to leave your people k owing nothing bUT "they are bad because we say so and if you think about them as not bad we kill you" all it does is leave people confused and less sympathetic to their protectors
>>44482386
No imperium members come to mind. The Interex civilization in the Horus Heresy series seemed to understand it.
>>44482332
How can you have a forbidden fruit affect when the majority of a Hive World probably doesn't even know what the fuck a fruit is let alone whatever allegory it represents? The fuck would they do with the knowledge anyways? They already know to hate anyone different than them. That about as much as you need to track down heretic cults
>>44482386
The counter is to use the 1984 effect. Suppress negative emotions as being taboo and heretical, with the only emotions being anger at specific times directed towards the object of hatred.
Simultaneously, alter records so that no one truly knows how something is good or bad, they simply know that what they support is good and everything else is bad, and if something related to the bad happens, they should report it to the higher ups.
>>44482386
Most civilians in 40k don't know what Chaos is. What are you talking about?
>>44482196
Because they have to constantly try to tell different stories with the same characters they have had for 60+ years.
Because the audience they are writing for is decreasing each day as more people get turned off by the boring stories/the same characters and so they are forced to deal with an entitled and commonly disgusting minority of readers who cant handle letting go and will pay for their fantasies to never end.
Because they can't pay enough for good writers and so the ones they get are cringey, hate the characters and worlds they write in, or use them to discuss issues that are completely inappropriate to the context of what they should be doing. Or the writer has sexual kinks that they want to satisfy by putting them in. Like gore in said picture.
Because anime/manga/video games are able to deliver better entertainment at better costs and so the audience for comics keeps becoming more and more small and deranged.
Because comics attempts to get more readers many times is to put more racial minorities or people of different sexual attraction in, which is fine, but the stories those characters exist in are still shit. News Sources cover this but quickly pass on, while the readers clearly see how shallow it is and move on.
Because online scans and pirating make turning a profit harder
Because it's not 1950 and we have more than 3 channels.
>Take your pick
>>44482427
Humans are naturally curious little monkeys, you can't take that out of us no matter how hard you beat us, we have a need to know
>>44482146
I must say, the ears on that one helmet bearer are a bit, odd, brother.
>>44475946
Beat her to death with my meaty astartes issue cock.
>>44482472
They should hand Batman back to Moore or one of the other various decent writers: he's the one character of theirs' that's still relevant and salvageable no matter how many times they force him into Adam West-esque situations.
>>44482472
So basically the sooner superheroes abandon comics completely the better
>>44482486
All I see is hair, brother. Perhaps your eyes are playing tricks on you.
>>44482476
Know what? You think any humans a thousand years were curious about what was inside a black hole? Of course not. Because what the fuck is a blackhole. You can't be curious about something you don't know exists.
>>44482501
>implying Adam west batman isn't objectively better then Christian Bale
>>44482510
What makes eternal squalid misery and ignorance preferable to flat out extunction?
>>44482522
>implying that Adam West isn't objectively the best at literally anything.
>>44482125
Then someone is getting an Astartes sized blanket
>>44482530
Knowledge of Chaos is inherently corrupting. How is ignorance on a subject you've never even heard of not preferable to being trapped in a vortex of bloodshed, pain, betrayal, and disease for all eternity?
>>44482522
Adam West is a better Batman than Christian Bale, but gritty, dark Batman is objectively better and closer to the original character than powbiffblam, sanctioned deputy Batman.
>>44482472
Because the objective morality that allows superheros to be believable as actual heros and paragons of justice is no longer the norm and so we have twisted characters trying to be jerry rigged into a new system of relative morality.
Because writers and the audience that is left wants more gritty and "realistic" settings and characters but cant let go of what they like and so we get Justice League: Game of Thrones Edition.
Because the amount of story you get in the typical amount of pages is laughable. And so they try to have one big page per comic that justifies the work.
Because we live in an entitled age, where more down to earth and comfy heroics is no longer enough and the audience craves a combo of MichaelBay/JJAbrams flashiness and Game of Thrones/Warhammer 40k snuff porn.
Because we fucking grew up.
>>44482509
Perhaps. By the way, those helmet bearers... Are they actually efficient? Do you have one or two spares lying around that I could perchance have as a test run?
>>44476329
>Dark Angels and Unforgiven
Where do you think the Watchers in the Dark come from?
>>44482609
She is quite efficient, however we have had trouble finding more. In fact, I am unsure where this one went. She was right here a moment ago...
>>44475946
>Alpha Legion finds Eldar child.
>Raises Eldar Child
>Eldar Child infilitrates Craftworld Ulthwe
>Six months later, Ulthwe "Accidentally" crashes into a red giant.
>Just as planned.
>>44475946
If an Isis warrior found a small, defenseless christian child from another tribe, is there any kind of remote chance that said child isn't receiving allahs holy dickings if it's a prepubescent girl?
>>44482647
How odd. Oh well. Recaff?
>>44482597
It doesn't sound like we grew up, we just got bitter and lost sight of right and wrong
>>44482597
Dude we're talking about Eldar children and the probability of them becoming armor paint. No need for the deepness.
>>44482652
Isn't it already orbiting the Eye?
Just make it crash into the warp hole.
>>44482659
The imperium isn't Isis, Isis has more in common with chaos
>>44475946
If the marine is working for =][=, he might hand the child over to his boss instead. For research and stuff.
>>44481854
For a common man, the reason to let the child live might be ignorance - failing to comprehend it's a xeno.
>>44482652
How do you keep secrets on a world where everyone is psychically linked?
>>44482652
Meanwhile Eldrad is laughing his ass off beside Alpharius.
Or Omegon.
Maybe both.
>>44482196
>now
>>44482676
Well it's clearly not fucking human, I don't see why you'd spare a dangerous xeno/mutant
>>44482687
At least old DC was more then pretensous snuff porn
>>44482694
Because it's a fucking kid, and we aren't savages, we have this thing called empathy remember?
>>44482668
On that topic I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell.
But it would be adorable. Maybe she and the Blue Ork would get along.
>>44482667
Yes
>>44476851
Vulkan was pretty deeply haunted by killing a surrendering Eldar child in rage.
>>44482749
well Vulcan is just a big molten teddy bear under his armor. Nice guy like that, I still respect him, but his chapter has gotten a bit more.... obsessed with fire
>>44482703
An eldar adult can easily kill a man without issue, you think a child wouldn't be capable of that as well? Either kill the child or leave it to die, it cannot be trusted as it would grow to just hate the Imperium and betray it down the line anyway
>>44478423
>>44479559
Except bolters aren't gyrojets.
These things have a charge that pushes them out of the barrel before the jet in the bullet ignites.
Essentially it's an RPG.
Except RPG is a recoiless weapon and Bolter sure as heck isn't.
>>44482749
That sounds fucking retarded, so I'm assuming it's from a Black Library novel.
>>44477224
I, a daemon prince of Khorne, have bloodied my axe in countless battles, the skull throne fed endlessly by my might! This planet is of no conseque-
> can we hurry this up? I need to get to the store before they close.
I'd read/watch it.
>>44482797
That's the attitude of some one who doesn't want the war to ever end, it's like trying to imagine the dwarves without grudges, can you even function without constant pointless bloodshed, this attitude is why chaos is winning
>>44482892
War is eternal, as long as there are people separated by race, beliefs, cultures, there will always be war
>>44476329
>Space Wolves
Can she fight? If yes go to 1, if not go to 2
1. Accept new ally
2. Natural selection is a bitch.
>>44482818
Vulkan was always the Primarch whose special power was empathy. Empathy and patience.
![SVT_40PPSh_41mated[Alt].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CIBdLzY.jpg "SVT_40PPSh_41mated[Alt].jpg")
>>44482808
but it isn't nearly as big as a rpg. I imagine the rocket motor takes care of most of the thrust so you really don't need more propellant than lets say a pistol cartridge, at the very most it definitely would not need as much as a 40mm.
>>44481759
The manga was like 100% plot, but it's apparently a lot clunkier.
>>44482694
It's just got weird ears, mate. If they executed everyone with minor cosmetic mutations the bottom third of every Hive would be empty.
>>44483249
It's not the size of an RPG because of future space miniaturization, plus the grenades aren't intended to defeat armor (as much) - They're anti-infantry and personnel destruction, so a comparatively small charge does the job just fine. What it winds up being is a fully-automatic grenade launcher that happens to use caseless rocket rounds.
>>44475946
If it was Vulkan, no.
huehuehuehue
>>44475946
If the SMs have beef with the eldar, right in the face
if no beef >>44475983
>>44476156
I am pretty sure the Space Marines consider death in the process of becoming an Astartes better, and a higher honour than a long peaceful life.
>>44482486
Asmodai, make this man repent
>>44483734
REPENT MOTHERFUCKER!!! [SOUND OF CROZIUS WHAMMING]
>>44482630
So those little munchkin motherfuckers were adorable knife eared xenos lolis this entire time?
Truly the Dark Angels have more secrets than I ever anticipated.
>>44483249
But it would need more than a pistol charge to be effective at close range
>>44483906
I'm still trying to find out about the Lion's Super Secret BBQ Sauce recipe from them.
>ALL THESE DISGUSTING XENO-FUCKERS ITT
HERETICS, THE LOT OF YOU. Feeling pity for a future eldar backstabber, really?
>implying any adult Eldar wouldn't kill YOUR children as if it were cattle because "the skeins of fate demanded so and also it's funny". Get off your high horses, the Eldar have been using, abusing, manipulating, killing, enslaving and exterminating humans since the Long Night, and not just the Dark Eldar.
All Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes have the DUTY of killing that xenos child (unless it's a plot macguffin).
>implying the Sallies wouldn't do so as well
Please. They hate eldar and Vulkan himself killed eldar children, there's a whole fucking novel about it (Promethean Sun).
>implying the Codex Astartes doesn't COMMAND IT
So you also never read Catechism of Hate. Here, let me sum it up for you:
>A good xenos is a dead xenos.
t. Gulliman.
>>44476408
>Chaos Marines would have a higher likelihood of sparing a random Eldar child than Imperial ones.
Very untrue. Even traitor SMs are still predisposed and indoctrinated to hate the Xenos (see: Talon of Horus and countless other examples), and their dreams of conquering the galaxy STILL involve the extermination of all xenos breeds, while mankind might just be conveinently enslaved. Remember, in their own heads, they're heroes.
And the one thing Eldar/Dark Eldar hate more than Humans/Necrons/Tyranids is Chaos. Vect will allow tyranids and SMs into comorragh's pits but he wont entertain daemons and CSMs who have dabbled too far with the daemonic. Likewise, Eldar will soon give up a Maiden World to human/IG than allow it to be taken by Chaos.
>>44476408
>Chaos Marines would have a higher likelihood of sparing a random Eldar child than Imperial ones.
kek
sure, slaanesh marines would keep it alive for a few hours..
>>44476354
All that power, unable to give up hope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqP-CE4uUxk
But the selfish madness could still be lurking. No matter how bright a light she wishes to defend, that shadow must remain.
Will she soothe the hurts of dying worlds she comes before or will they burn?
>>44481759
>>44483323
There are aspects of the manga plot I like that never made it into the anime, and directions the anime took that made more sense than the manga.
I would have found it interesting if they did more with personal identity issues with Usagi and Mamoru. She frequently has this inconsistent characterization, especially in SuperS, makes me think that her memories and personality from her past life and her current life are in constant imbalance and eating away at one another. The princess becoming ever more distant but empathetic in her compassion. The girl who lives now regressing and becoming more selfish and jealous. Eventually settling into an unsteady equilibrium as neither of the people she was before.
How would you express that in most 40K mental derangements? At least in Dark Heresy?
Is there greater drama between Usagi and Mamoru actually falling in love and just carrying forward with what Serenity and Endymion had? What about contrasting with Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune, who gave themselves over fully to that love in both lifetimes without doubt?
Argh, I'm going on a tangent.
>>44483364
Abhumans, bringing diversity to the grim darkness.
>>44475946
Space Marines don't save human children half the time. An Eldar kid would be fucked. Not even the shitty 'nice guy' chapters are that nice. It's 40 fucking K.
>>44484503
>The imperium cannot distinguish between Dark Eldar and Craftworlders
HOW FUCKING RETARDED DO YOU HAVE TO BE? There is about as much similarity between those two as there is between the Imperium and fucking CHAOS. One faction consists of smooth, organic looking tech and bright, noble heraldry and the other is spikes, needles and fucking monsters. I know the Imperium isn't the brightest faction, but for fuck sakes.
>>44485879
well, they're both insufferably arrogant and don't tend to stick around very long, one side has a tendency to leave no witnesses, and given how wide spread eldar corsairs are it's entirely feasible the imperium thinks the DE are just more raiders with a spikeier paint scheme. It's not like the Imperium spends much time and effort delving in to the inner working of every fucking warband it encounters.
>>44485996
Fights with Eldar are hardly the odd warband encounter. They've had dealings with Eldar consistently for ten thousand years and haven't noticed that those two factions that fight, behave and look completely different aren't actually the same? At this right I'm willing to be Alpha Legion don't actually exist, it's just the Imperium mistaking ordinary Chaos Marines as their own.
>>44485879
Inquisition probably knows, since that's their job, but I doubt the average citizen knows, and I doubt the average system/sector lord cares. They're both damned aliens that keep raiding colonies and being dicks.
>>44486209
The average citizen doesn't even know they exist. It's the military that knows, but can't tell them apart seeing as they keep enacting reprisals against craftworlds for shit they didn't do. The few Inquisitors that actually know their shit like Czevak are branded heretics for consorting with xenos so their knowledge can't be implemented on any meaningful scale. Basically, the Imperium has suffered from terminal retardation since it began and arr Erdarr rook same.
>>44476329
"We claim this relic for the chapter!"
"Are you my new dady?"
"Shut up relic!"
>>44476156
the story never said anything about the child not destroying his coller bone/shoulder/arm in the process
Salamanders maybe. They're probably the closest things to Reasonable Marines that exist in the setting. I'm pretty sure they hate DEldar, so I'm not sure if that's a point for or against the kid.
>>44475946
They might get hit in center mass.
>>44486440
BLOODY MAGPIES
>>44486398
Untrue.
Every single inquisitor knows the difference between Eldar and Dark Eldar, as well as every SM chapter.
The thing is that most of them don't CARE, because all eldar are xenos scum, and CraftEldar are equally accountable for the actions of Deldar.
And you bet your ass the Ordo Xenos has specific on all sorts of Eldar, down to specific Homunculus covens or Cabals they're hunting. As well as certain SM chapters have a special hatred for certain craftworlds/cabals/pirate crews.
Knowing your opponent's ways of war is one thing, SMs and Inquisitors are REQUIRED to know that (and Eldar/Deldar fight pretty fucking differently). What they can't do is try to understand them/steal their wargear/mingle with them.
>>44482956
you sound like an illiterate leftist. what are you, 15? Bought Che Guevara tshirt yet?
>>44487211
>Every single inquisitor knows the difference between Eldar and Dark Eldar, as well as every SM chapter.
Not true. Path novels had an Ultramarine successor chapter too stupid to tell Deldar from CWE. Czevak novels had him branded a radical for learning about Eldar and visiting their craftworld. It's there in writing in this very thread that the Imperium straight up cannot tell the difference. If EVERY inquisitor and marine knew the difference, Imperial intel would not be the hilarious shambles it is and 'IT WAS DARK ELDAR ALL ALONG' wouldn't be such a painful cliche.
>>44487211
>Every single inquisitor knows the difference between Eldar and Dark Eldar, as well as every SM chapter.
most of them have MEANS to obtain access to the information which will allow them to tell the difference. Doesn't mean any of them didn't devote their time doing other things.
It's like assuming you are good with biology and maths because you have access to Wikipedia. But that's not true, because you're spending your valuable time shitposting nonsense on /tg/.
>>44487947
>BL novels
>canon
No.
>20 yr old novels at that
>canon
NO.
>>44488068
>Get corrected
>Cry non-canon
BL is explicitly stated to be canon by GW. Deal with it nerd. Even if it wasn't it'd carry more weight than the fan fiction you've been spewing. Also, this >>44484503 is rulebook fluff so even by your own arbitrary standards you're wrong.
>>44488115
watch out, he'll now start crying how you're trolling and it's all headcannon
>>44488115
Didn't GW state that BL novels aren't to be taken seriously?
>>44488132
My headcanon states that an Eldar Farseer and an Imperial Vindicate had a baby. I refute any other canon against this. NYAH.
>>44488115
>"Everything" cannot be canon, for that's like saying "yes" and "no" are both true - or that Tau have hooves (actual GW minis) as well as feet ("Xenology"). Where contradictions arise, one source is obviously either wrong or supersedes the other. George Mann - the Head of Publishing - has made it a little bit clearer than Marc Gascogne, who is "just" an author. The following is from the 2008 GW Annual Meeting, where he was confronted with this very question:
>In further conversation, George emphasized that Black Library’s main objective was to “tell good stories”. He agreed that some points in certain novels could, perhaps, have benefited from the editor’s red pen (a certain multilaser was mentioned) but was at pains to explain that, just as each hobbyist tends to interpret the background and facts of the Warhammer and 40k worlds differently, so does each author. In essence, each author represents an “alternative” version of the respective worlds. After pressing him further, he explained that only the Studio material (rulebooks, codexes, army books and suchlike) was canonical in that is HAD to be adhered-to in the plots and background of the novels. There was no obligation on authors to adhere to facts and events as spelled out in Black Library work.
Black Library is explicitly non-canon, cry harder.
anything not in codex can and should be disregarded at will
>>44488165
Nope.
>>44488165
Yup, google >>44488178
>>44488198
Strange. I remember them saying stuff that everything is propaganda.
>>44488178
We have been through. That quote is from a Dakkadakka forum user and it's not official and we have no way of ascertaining if it's true or not.
People who go to the Weekenders have been know to misquote the authors and writers from time to time.
http://graham-mcneill.com/#!/end-times-not-coming/
So you better find something official or from fist hand account from the IP manager.
Try harder,
>>44488221
Pretty much.
GW Codex and Supplements = canon for all
everything else = canon "for the author"
Everone who works with GW knows that.
http://gavthorpe.co.uk/2010/01/21/jumping-the-fence/
>On the other hand, if an author has a bit of a wobbly moment, there’s no pressure to feel that it has to be accepted into the worldview promulgated by the codexes and army books.
- Gav Thorpe
>>44488219
>>44488267
Well good to know that.
>>44488115
>>44488132
>>44488264
Calm the hell down, however many of you there are. We're discussing the dynamics of Eldar as armor paint, not how stupid lore is.
>>44488312
It's just one samefag pushing this "BL is canon" agenda, disregard the autist.
I wouldn't put it past him to be an actual BL author pushing his fanfic.
>>44488267
Actually, things has changed since BL restructured and GW stiffened its editorial grip.
(picture related).
Others can't get away with what they did years ago.
>>44487390
No I'm right wing as fuck, nothing wrong with war, embrace it.
>>44488352
Post proof that BL is not canon. Anything official or a first hand account. I am waiting.
All you have is a second hand quote from a random guy on a forum.
>>44488178
>Dakka Dakka forum post
>Taking precedence over published GW material
>Including the fucking rulebooks
The denial is strong with this one.
>>44475946
Probably use it as a bargaining chip.
>>44488352
>S-samefag
>Getting this upset about being corrected
BL shit aside, your original point is still contradicted by codex fluff. This entire derail is because you threw a tantrum over making a mistake.
>>44488467
This seems to be a popular idea, but I can't imagine that working out well. Trying to out manipulate Eldar sounds like a recipe for disaster.
>>44488679
I imagine pointing a gun at the head of one or more of their children would have a way of keeping them in line.
>>44488679
When you're up against a superior schemer, it's best to keep it simple and leave as little margin for error as possible. Cover every angle of approach you can imagine but mostly just don't give them the time or opportunity to think of or execute any fancy maneuvers.
And then you're fucked anyway when it turns out the child was planted there so that exact scenario would be created and it's secretly a super agent which has sabotaged the Marine's defenses from the inside and now the Eldar are coming to get'chu.
>>44488792
Aye, but this is a race where the children can actually mind control you into turning that gun on yourself.
>And then you're fucked anyway when it turns out the child was planted there so that exact scenario would be created and it's secretly a super agent which has sabotaged the Marine's defenses from the inside and now the Eldar are coming to get'chu.
This man gets it. Eldar dickery runs deeper than mortal men dare dick.
>>44489031
Pretty sure many a mortal man has dared to try and dick an Eldar.
>>44482449
Except that, clearly, not even THAT is working in the 40k universe, because Chaos cults keep springing up everywhere and raping planets so hard that the buckled hats have to drop planet crackers. That, and the only way you can truly stop someone from feeling emotion (as opposed to making them repress it deep, DEEP inside, where it feeds Chaos corruption) is to lobotomize them.
>>44482510
Clearly, the Imperium isn't as good at keeping Chaos a top secret as you think.
>>44482694
>Abhumans
This freakish mutant can redeem itself through service to the Emperor!
