Why.
Well, at least he's frank about what he wants.
At least he's upfront with his magical realm.
>>44470811
You know what's worse? DMs that make a custom campaign in a homebrew world and don't give any information on the world, character creation, rules or why they're looking for in a post.
Why is table top gaming the most autistic of hobbies?
>>44470811
Explain to me why this is wrong OP.
>>44470930
Because I don't agree with it :^)
But seriously, it's a few things. The first is the fact that it's a player making a listing for a GM. Rather than put in the work and make his own magical realm, the kid wants someone else to do it for him. Second, his character idea is lazy. "Lol so randum I get drunk and roll to fug the bar maid XDDD" is not a character I want to play with, let alone GM for. Is there any motivation? Backstory? ANYTHING besides a desire to essentially ERP? As a matter of fact. Why doesn't he just go ERP in WoW or something? It'd pretty much be the same experience. I want these people out of my hobby so that only folk with my special brand of autism are left.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>44470930
Its freaky shit.
Freak shit is bad.
Bad is wrong.
I really don't want to google what dtf means. Probably something sexual. I'll just rage without knowing its meaning.
RRRAGE
>>44471136
Are you for real dude?
dtf = down to fuck
>>44470811
You ever ERP at a live tabletop session?
>>44471136
down to fuck
>>44471185
No and I really don't plan on it. If it's your thing, go for it, but to me that's like inviting your group of friends to come watch hentai with you.I had a friend try to organize that once because he thought it would be "funny."
>>44471056
Untangle your panties.
Firstly, it's a game he wants to PC in, not GM in. If you've been on both sides of the DM Screen, you know what a massive difference those things are. There are a lot of games I don't mind running, but those aren't always the same kind of games I want to play in.
Secondly, it's not lolrandom. Fucker is playing a satyr. The only way to properly play one is to be drunk and dtf. It's within established tropes -- this is literally no different from him saying "I wanna play a paladin and smite evil".
Is there a Satyr available in WoW? And for that matter what's wrong with ERP?
This is actually a beautiful post because it's putting that shit up front. It's not someone trying to slide it into a game where no one expects it. Will I try to convince you to join it? Hell no, but I will do my damnedest to convince you that this kind of posting should be applauded so people don't accidentally into elf rape fantasy 4894389.
>>44471334
You're full of shit.
Its fetish-freak shit.
The player should kill himself.
>>44471185
Fuck no. It's awkward enough privately over the internet in the comfort of my room with the lights off. I wouldn't want to bring a physical tabletop group - people I usually consider my friends - into the horrible, shameful world that is my magical realm, even its very vanilla portions.
>>44471383
I know this is bait, but whatever:
>it's fetish freak shit
Yes, yes it is.
But since it's actually in the post, you know this and can thus avoid the fetish freak shit that isn't your fetish freak shit.
What's terrible in gaming is when someone tries to slip in their fetish freak shit on a group of people who are unaware.
>>44471334
I'm pretty sure people can play a satyr a ton of ways, just like elves don't have to love nature and use bows.
>>44471334
You know, I agree with the principles of your post, but I think in practical application it falls apart. This kid is not thinking about how to create a compelling Satyr character. Being raunchy is fine so long as there are other aspects to the character, but ow likely do you think that would be the case? You're being contrarian for the sake of the argument, because there's no way you can look at a barebones, poorly worded post like that and think "Oh yeah, he'd make a great player." Honesty is about the only thing he's got going for him.
>>44471334
>>44471442
>look how mature I am
>pretending to have fake half-goat sex online
He's free to do whatever he wants, but really, you're not exactly arguing in the right direction.
Fetish freak shit is fetish freak shit. It's cringe-inducing and a great target to laugh at, because as ridiculous as spending the evening pretending you're an elf wizard and killing imaginary dragons, at least you're not spending the evening pretending to be a horny goat man trying to get fake laid by imaginary wenches.
You acting all serious and trying to defend it as anything except a sad joke only makes it funnier.
>>44471565
Well said.
>>44471514
>his kid is not thinking about how to create a compelling Satyr character. Being raunchy is fine so long as there are other aspects to the character, but ow likely do you think that would be the case? You're being contrarian for the sake of the argument, because there's no way you can look at a barebones, poorly worded post like that and think "Oh yeah, he'd make a great player."
No, I'm not being contrarian just to argue. I don't think he's someone I'd necessarily want in one of my campaigns -- that's irrelevant, because it's not me the ad was aimed at. It was aimed at people who are interested in such. If there's enough, he'll get his group, if not, then well, sorry dude, gotta jerk it solo. None of this is my problem because I see the ERP shit and I turn away.
>>44471565
You're a sad, pathetic person.
>>44471631
My problem isn't so much the player in the OP, but rather other players who bring that mentality into other games. This is gonna sound autistic/fedora/whatever, but I think that we need to hold people in this hobby to a higher standard. Whether it's depth of character, proper playing etiquette, or even basic hygiene; a lot of people seem to just not get it. It's why "That Guy" threads exist. We make fun of them on here, but it's not like that makes much of a difference.
Because some people are genually autistic?
>>44471794
I actually agree with you to an extent, but here's the thing:
you can't get rid of the people who do this sort of thing. What you can do is avoid them when they make themselves known. This guy made himself known, so it's easy for you to now avoid him. If you dump on him for putting what he wants up front, it might just influence someone else to not put that kind of shit up front, and you'll have to deal with it from out of left field. It's sort of like how porn sites have gay, straight, and tranny sections separated. Just stick to your lane and you'll be fine, but without that separation, it's always a mixed bag.
>>44471707
Is this coming from the guy who is all thumbs up for half-goat sex?
>>44470811
So people should stop having fun in different ways from you? Look, the guy obviously isn't perfect - no one is. And I assure you, he's not getting an invitation to my table. But one big problem in this hobby is people sitting around waiting for a chance to attack everyone else. Stop helping the hobby to cannibalize itself.
He's not hurting you. He's not causing problems in your game.
So, y'know. Stop being so prissy and stuck-up.
>>44471834
This.
I found a guy kike this applying for one of my games once and asked WTF was wrong with him. He replied by saying he was autistic and that his dad beat him as a child.
Felt bad for him after.
>>44471966
>play an RPG as a half-goat that runs around drunk and trying to fuck everything.
>fuuuun!
kek
>>44471922
It just saddens me to think that he'll never improve as a player, but that's really just me projecting what I like about role playing onto him.
>>44471966
Isn't there a line somewhere though? Like it or not, his actions do affect how people perceive the hobby, and might turn off potentially better players from getting into the game at all. I'm tired of having to sift through lots of shitty groups to find one good one. Roll 20 is almost RPG Tinder at this point.
>>44471966
>please stop making fun of that guy
Why? It's funny. It's a guy who wants to spend the evening playing a satyr slut.
If you can't see why that's ridiculous, even by roleplaying standards, I'm pretty sure I can get a nice solid belly-laugh out of you talking about your last campaign.
>>44470811
I blame Fenoxo.
>>44472049
Read first, then respond. I never said it looked fun.
>>44472093
I think perhaps if your biggest concern is how people view a hobby that's largely about sitting around and pretending to be wizards then we're just not going to agree.
Admittedly, I don't use Roll 20 so I can't comment on the effect of it there. You could be right on that one.
>>44471136
Discuss topical fiction.
>>44472201
I'd care about the perception less if the average quality of people already playing was higher. Maybe I should make RPG Tinder though, that could be funny.
>>44472098
Sure, its funny. If OP had a laugh and moved on then we wouldn't be talking about it though.
Instead he decided to take a picture, bring it to a separate place on the internet, and start a circle jerk based around shitting on this guy for having fun that he didn't like.
Surely you have to see why that's pretty ridiculous and funny too.
>>44472324But being angry feels so good, and we can pretend like we're somehow better.
>>44470811
>one sentence, no punctuation beyond an exclamation mark and a colon
>cringy barebones idea
Well, maybe it could work...
>dandwiki
Fuck off.
>>44472324
Oh no, someone has an opinion you don't share, and he shared it!
Your hypocrisy is amusing, because you're trying to take the high road of "Internet bullying this guy who doesn't know or care is wrong!" as if you think you can shame someone that way, when we're just talking about how silly it is for someone to publicly announce that they want to have imaginary half-goat sex.
Don't like our fun? Is it because you hope for one day your personal half-goat sex fantasy novel will be widely accepted and offered a canadian book award?
Face it. It's dumb. You don't think so? That's your opinion, and feel free to share it. But, I find it silly, and weird, and exactly the sort of thing a person is supposed to be made fun for.
>>44470811
>horde
For some reason this, and not the other shit, makes me angry.
>>44472324
Wait.
YOU are that guy, aren't you.
>>44470811
Post link i wanna play.
>>44471056
At least you acknowledge that you're an intolerable autist who wants to turn an entire hobby into your personal safe space.
>>44471504
He didn't say it was mandatory: just that its well within established tropes. Just because elves don't HAVE to love nature and use bows doesn't mean that 100% of all people have to play against stereotype.
>>44471961
Judging by their mythology, the founders of Western civilization were all thumbs-up for half-goat sex.
>>44473602
I'd argue that the people demanding that no one can make fun of people who choose to have bizarre sex in roleplaying games are the ones hoping to create a safe space for themselves.
>>44472093
And OBVIOUSLY, autistically shrieking RREEEEEEEE at people until they leave the hobby will make it appear to be the domain of classy, intelligent, and perhaps even -dare I say it?- EUPHORIC people who absolutely aren't at the bottom of the social dogpile.
>>44473775
Oh, no, the Satyr guy is a faggot. I'm just saying that literally saying that you only want people with your exact form of autism in a hobby probably indicates you are an intolerable autist and also a faggot.
>>44473818
The okcupid watermark fucking slew me.
>>44471565
>as ridiculous as spending the evening pretending you're an elf wizard and killing imaginary dragons, at least you're not spending the evening pretending to be a horny goat man trying to get fake laid by imaginary wenches.
How are these things different? Other than that presumably you do one and not the other. All fantasy is masturbatory, just with one type it's literally.
>>44473883
This. No one is saying the satyr guy isn't a fucked off weirdo, but what's being said is that it's good of him to be up front about it. Guy's gonna be a fucked off weirdo no matter what, probably, so it's genuinely polite of him to say 'I am a guy who wants to play a horny, raunchy satyr, if you don't want that in your game, don't invite me'.
It's actually incredibly telling of the self absorption of people that the go-to response is 'what, you wanna be a goatslut too?' because, for most people, they cannot countenance support of an idea if it is not an idea that they themselves want to participate in. It's exactly what causes the whole SJW/MRA debacle: a bunch of people who cannot fathom why you would want to support or further these things unless you, too, wanted to participate in them.
>>44473775
Having bizarre quality ERP is probably a dream of half this board, only they know it doesn't exist online and doing it with their usual players would be a bit awkward.
>>44472093
yes, it might turn off people, Here's the thing though, half the shit you see here on /tg/ might and does turn people off too. The elitism, the autism, the completely self-centered and self serving approach to fun that just about everyone into these hobbies seems to have. Everyone who disagrees with you personally (but not YOU, just... sie) is That Guy, and you get a bunch of people complaining about everyone else who is exactly like themselves for being too selfish because they didn't accommodate them, or worse yet, asked to be accommodated.
Did I mention the general autism?
>>44473883
>literally saying that you only want people with your exact form of autism in a hobby probably indicates you are an intolerable autist and also a faggot.
That's not as crazy as you're trying to make it seem, especially if we're talking about wanting to cast out the sort of people who wrote the Book of Erotic Fantasy.
When it comes to giving the hobby a bad name, these are the sort of people that should be hidden away, kept secret from everyone like some kind of shameful stain.
Sure, you're never going to get rid of these kind of folk, but you can't exactly dismiss the desire to get rid of them either. Sort of like a molesting uncle. Always part of your family, no matter how much you wish he wasn't.
You might think differently, but hey, that's your opinion, and at least we're being honest.
>>44472921
>canadian book award
He could get one yet. All he has to do is write a page of it while in canada, and he will probably get some sort of canadian content award.
>>44473968
>How are these things different?
Nope, not going to talk to you.
You're one of those crazy guys who can't be reasoned with, since you can't even tell the difference between those two.
Seriously, you can't just start something by saying "I'm so messed up in the head I can't tell the difference between wanting to defend an ancient city from a fiery threat and wanting to have a goat penis to fuck anyone that's willing."
>>44470811
Seems like an ERP game.
Not really my thing, but if other people are into it, so be it.
Don't be one of those "You are having fun WRONG, do not do this thing, it is BAD" types! That's the SJW mindset.
Let the Satyr have his fapfuel.
>>44474022
>is probably a dream of half this board
In common parlance, we call that "projecting."
Try to speak for yourself and only yourself, kiddo.
>>44474257
No see, you're the messed up one. You think your first example is a reasonable thing. It's not. It's just you ego wanking to get over the power you don't have in your own life. It is not healthy or normal.
>>44474277
If you're really going to try to drag SJW's into this, the SJW mindset is the one that's all "Do anything you want as long as you're not a white heterosexual male, sexual liberation, slut walk, rah rah rah!"
>>44474336
If that's how you interpret it, that's your problem.
But really, you're kind of stupid, and not worth talking to with all your silly false equivalences and dishonest attempts at counterexamples.
>>44474398
You haven't even made an attempt to say why it's a false equivalence.
I'll tell you why YOU think it is, though: because his involves sexuality. That's it. Full stop. Beyond that, they're both masturbatory fantasies.
>>44470856
Aren't the rules the same regardless of world?
>>44474398
How is it dishonest? Because you can't explain how it's different? One is you living out your fantasy. The other is someone living out theirs. Yours is power and adventure, theirs is sex and debauchery.
The separation only exists in your mind so you can justify your hobby to yourself, while making yourself feel superior to some person or group you have picked out as "wrong".
It's called cognitive dissonance.
>>44474537
No.
>>44473602
I'm an intolerable autist too, and I want to turn EVERY hobby into a hive of shitposting, hurt feelz, arguments, contrarianism, and the chaotic fun that comes along with them.
>>44474586
Chaotic evil players, everyone.
>>44474176
First off, I'm sorry your uncle touched you in your no-no place. Now that we've got that out of the way:the fact that, out of all of the people in the hobby, you fixate on the adults who want to enter their magical realm with other informed adults over, say, the fuckers with negative social skills who breathe through their mouths and don't shower and generally disgust most people indicates that you seem to have some hang-ups. Its like saying "books will never be a respectable medium as long as porno exists!"
Most people are fairly horny, and find release in different ways. Let weird fags do whatever they want with each other. Only tell them to fuck off when they try to foist their perversion on you.
>>44474685
I'm actually Lawful Evil >.>
>>44474342
If you really think that's the SJW mindset, you have had basically zero contact with SJWs.
>>44474257
Tell me: do you stay up at night, sweat dripping down your naked, vulnerable body, your moral compunctions rendering you unable to sleep, because, in the recesses of your soul, you know that SOMEWHERE, SOMEONE is engaging in naughty RP with other consenting adults on the internet?
>>44471334
>elf rape fantasy 4894389.
I picture a bored, frumpy, tired-looking office lady in a room full of old filing cabinets, sorting through stacks of folders marked "Fetishes - Rape - E - #4890000 - #4895000"
>>44474531
Really? That's the only difference you can see?
There's a reason it's senseless to explain these things to people like you.
>>44474802
>elven society
>a small subset of tehm have a secret fetish for loving monogamous relationships
>>44474821
Then enlighten the rest of the thread, oh sublime master of morality. Otherwise, you're probably just a hyper-repressed puritan or have uncomfortable feelings in your pants when you think about goat cocks.
>>44474802
Somewhere, in the heavenly bureaucracy, there's a yama in charge of assigning and sorting fetishes, and she hates her work.
>>44474821
see >>44474887
I'm seconding this. As it seems a common opinion, you need to defend yourself as the "norm".
>>44474547
It's dishonest because you don't actually consider it to be ego wanking to get over the power you don't have in your own life, you are merely saying that for the sake of argument. If that's the sort of "tactic" you plan to use, consider the discussion ended.
Or, if you actually believe that, then we still are not capable of speaking in any constructive manner, because you are simply too far gone to be reasoned with, at least not without explaining every fundamental to you first.
>>44474887
Fuck you for making me google what a goat cock looks like.
>>44474793
Yes. There are plenty of consenting children on the internet whose naughty RP needs are being neglected.
The world has forgotten all those horny fanfic-writing 14 year olds, and it's a damn shame.
>>44474887
If you're feigning ignorance for the sake of an argument, then it's clear you're not here to discuss the matter, only to mindlessly defend an indefensible view point.
Tell me now. Do. You. Really. Need me to explain? Or can you come up with a reason that isn't a pathetic strawman attempt?
Seriously. No games. Tell me now if you can't come up with a summary as to why they are different beyond heaping up straw. I'd like to know what kind of person I am talking to.
>>44474977
Goat eyes look like barbells.
Don't most mammal penises look exactly the same, tho?
>>44475053
Go to /d/, and look for an animal cock thread.
>>44475099
>>44475124
Instead, I shall browse this muscle yuri thread on /u/
>>>/u/1930472
That's some good thread
>>44474952
Explain how it's not a masturbatory power fantasy. Let's start with that.
>>44475023
Then yes, please do explain this too, as that's what you were asked to explain in the first place.
Bearing in mind, if you can't explain either it will be assumed to be because you can't, likely because there isn't a significant difference to be explained.
>>44475053
Hell goddamn no! Goats got a freaky fucking squiggly bit on it.
And people eat 'em! People eat goat dicks! They sell the fucking things in packs so you can grill the fuckers up like a macabre hot dog!
>>44471220
I was at a session once with a group that was friends with a friend of mine, and the session was great, but when we took a break, someone opened up Shadbase, and they were all looking at Shadbase and it was weeeeiiird. I just kinda rolled with it, cause they were acting like it was normal.
>>44470811
How has nobody mentioned
>6 other players
>Not letting the DM determine how many players he thinks he can manage
>Bringing 7 players into a premade designed for 4-5 PCs
>>44475023
I do have a defense, but you only get it if you explain what is so self-evidently reprehensible about Erotic Role-Playing. You want to say you're the norm? Prove it. It should be easy as pie to elaborate your position if its the norm, and not you just being so repressed you tie your hands down so you don't sleep-masturbate.
TL;DR: pic related
>>44470811
Dtf?
>>44475158
And, congratulations. You've convinced me of all I needed to know.
>if you can't explain either it will be assumed to be because you can't
Consider this. It's no longer a discussion between us, because you are not here to talk to me. You are not here to discuss the topic, because you choose to do so without a shred of integrity or honesty, and I can only assume you are posturing yourself to some potential observers.
These observers now are faced with the question, a question you profess to be unable to answer. You are continuing to pretend you simply do not know, but if they know the answer, which I have a heavy inkling that anyone over the age of six could piece one together, then your little act seems all the more ridiculous.
What's your goal? Hopes of getting me to spoonfeed it to you? Why? So you can go into some examination of semantics and divert the topic of discussion to suit your little outburst at the indignity of making fun of some poor fool who fantasizes about having a goat penis?
Here's the difference between those two.There's a lot. Not just a single difference, you could write a book about the differences between playing an elf wizard fighting a dragon and playing a half-goat that will fuck anything. We could start with which you could tell your parents about, which one's you could tell your coworkers about, and generally which one isn't so ridiculous that it is a joke that writes itself. Playing an elf wizard need not be necessarily a power fantasy, and may just be utilized to introduce a different set of puzzles that would not be possible to be solve without magic. In certain games, it may even be a necessary role. An elf wizard can exhibit a much wider range of social roles than the narrowed satyr, which is limited in its function and intent towards a predefined goal.
I could go on for a book or so, but all you really want to do is nitpick what's already been said, to try and extend the argument.
>>44475645
Man, that's a really long way to say "I can't".
Nothing you said defines any difference, other than you feeling you need magic to solve problems, and having to create fictional characters to express yourself in social roles. Which are still just power fantasies.
>>44475757
How are you this stupid?
I get it, you're scrambling, but how can you genuinely be this stupid?
You're not even arguing anymore. You are literally just hoping that you can be so stupid as to tire out the opposition from having to explain everything to you, and then pretending to be so dense that they have to explain it again to you.
Are you trying to claim that they're both simply power fantasies? The only reason people play games is purely for ego wanking to get over the power you don't have in your own life? That if the only point for games is to provide some sort of masturbation fuel?
Really? That's the corner you've painted yourself into?
>>44475645
You're a colossal idiot, and your entire premise is faultily based on one constant: RPGs aren't masturbatory fantasy. They, without fail, are. The entire point of them is to create a non-real person (or persons) who exhibit certain traits you find enjoyable, and to exercise your own power (or lack thereof) over a fantastical world. Masturbatory fantasies aren't exclusively power fantasies. Being the toolbox intellect that solves all the problems is one hundred percent a self empowering, escapist little fantasy about how clever you^^^^^^^^ the elf wizard you hand-crafted and expertly role played are. RPGs are frequently circle jerks, in that they're EVERY ONE getting together and having a power (or lack of power) fantasy as a group. It's literally in the name. It's fantasy. It's about coming together and mutually masturbating about these cool, awesome things. That's literally the point.
Also, your point about 'can't talk about it to your parents or coworkers' is, frankly, laughable. There are millions (bare minimum) of gamers who can't talk about ANY character they make to their parents or coworkers without fear of ridicule, especially if they did something horrible like, say, play a girl while being male themselves. Your operating off of an incredibly myopic point of view where YOUR standards are the metric by which the whole universe is measured, and you cannot even conceive of how narrow and wrong that is.
>>44475895
>They, without fail, are
And, lo and behold, we find out WHY you are so wrong and stupid.
Are they at times masturbatory? Perhaps, to a degree. What you fail to appreciate is that there's differences in both the degree of masturbation, and the type.
What about bunnies and burrows? People play rabbits that could be easily killed by ordinary humans, and eke out an existence where they are challenged by creatures we would consider largely harmless, like weasels and foxes.
Is it masturbatory? To a small degree, since you play bunnies that are smarter than ordinary, but not in the same league or even in the same manner as an epic level wizard. In fact, a 1st level elf wizard is quite a different story from an epic level one, something you seem incapable of appreciating.
You don't get it. And, that makes you stupid.
>>44476078
I like how you didn't reply to the other guy, who's the guy you're actually debating with. I'm just a drunk who thinks you're stupid. You also ignored the chunks of my post that actually responded to you, namely: massaging your intellectual prowess and puzzle-solving acumen is absolutely masturbatory, which seems to be what you're taking away from Bunnies and Burrows (which is weird, by the way). Again: not everything that's masturbatory is a power fantasy. Some people get off on being powerless, on losing control and scrabbling desperately against it. Everyone gets off on different things. Some people genuinely just enjoy being a goofy piece of shit for four or five hours with buds. You, however, wouldn't define that as self-pleasure because it matches up with your point of view and thus can't be bad, and something being masturbatory somehow is.
It's also cute that, in addition to completely ignoring the guy you're actually having a conversation with, you ignored my point that 'I can't talk about it with my parents' is utterly irrelevant.
>wanted: players to play a rpg with me
>oh BTW, I will be a half goat, that's drunk all the time, and totally down to fuck!!
Mfw; a bunch of /tg/ shows interest
Fucking freaks
>>44476282
It's ALSO worth noting that there's a dramatic logical flaw in my entire position that you could sail a carrier through, but you haven't figured it out yet, so I'm gonna keep using it to prop my argument up.
>>44470811
>tfw someone posts your post on /tg/
The post in the op, is fucking weird. Its the type of "looking for game" post, that SHOULD freak out any normal gamer.
If it doesn't make you shudder a bit, or vomit, or laugh your ass off, then you are also a freak and should kill yourself.
GTFO of tg, you fucking faggots.
Can I set up a sort-of King of Dragon Pass civ-builder/RPG on Roll20? Or is that beyond the capabilities of their map engine?
>>44476282
Fuck, you are dumb. If anything is masturbatory, it's picking on you for being such an idiot. It's just so easy.
Moving right along, let's stop using masturbatory incorrectly. Masturbatory is "excessively self-indulgent or self-absorbed."
What you seem to be hoping to equate is someone enjoying themselves with being masturbatory, which is a joke.
Really, you have zero appreciation for degrees or gradation. You equate everything of every level, so nuances and every strict differences elude you. That's PRECISELY what makes you an idiot.
There's more to a game than just senselessly seeking personal pleasure. Aside from helping other people enjoy themselves, there are a multitude of other goals to accomplish. You might try the old "it all is for the sake of pleasure in the end" argument, but the great part is that as long as it satisfies some other goal, it is for the sake of pleasure AND something else, making the attempt to classify it as the sole pursuit of pleasure a meaningless exercise in semantics, especially since we're very far removed from pure senseless pleasure for its own sake in any capacity for argument.
Here's a quick "you're an idiot", in case you forgot.
So, we're faced with people who appreciate the diversity of potential goals and the nuances involved, and people like you seem to accept all as one and that any form of pleasure is equal to all others. That's your choice, and no one can stop you from being an idiot, but please don't pretend that you being stupid is something to be proud of, especially when you have to perform mental gymnastics to reduce the differences between disparate concepts in hopes of creating false equivalencies.
>>44476607
The map engine isn't that great anon. I wouldn't get my hoped up.
May need to use another source and import your maps.
>>44476655
What's really masturbatory is getting so smug over a fucking internet argument. My condolences to your mother.
>>44476829
I already said that in the first line.
>>44476850
You still did it, which by your autistic not-logic makes you as stupid as Satyrwanker.
>>44476660
Hm.
>>44476886
See, there's where you fail to appreciate degrees or gradation.
Is it masturbatory? Yes. But not to the same degree as satyrwanker. Not even in anything remotely the same manner.
You make this too easy.
>>44476886
Stupid as satyr-wanker.
That has a ring to it.
Stealing that.
>>44476945
I'm not even the same guy, retard. And I don't give a fuck about your degrees of jacking yourself off or whatever, because I don't smell my own farts. RPGs are, first and foremost, about having fun. Its implicit in their design, and the fact that rule Zero is a thing that's almost universally acknowledged. If you want to live out your euphoric enlightenment "muh refining cognitive reasoning" fantasy when you pretend to be a fluffy bunny, have fun with that. Doesn't make you any less of a faggot than the rest of us. Fuck, most of the time, when people take RPGs as serious as you do, its because they have literally nothing else in their lives to be proud of.
>>44476660
I might as well run it on /tg/ as a quest at that point.
>>44477139
Hell yes.
>>44476945
Not him, but.
>Many people engage in a fantasy with degrees of nuance for the goal of having a good time and socialize with friends.
>Many people engage in a fantasy with the goal of helping each other get off, possibly with many nuances and also to have a good time with friends.
The difference is about as severe as enjoying a home made burger with a pound of fresh beef, and going to McDonalds for a McGangbang. They are definitely not the same thing, but they're both burgers, they're both food, and any objection you have to one or the other is ultimately subjective and judgemental.
Now, the difference is if the person is eating so many McGangbangs that they're 500 pounds and climbing, or if Satyrwanker has quit his day job and stopped showering so that he can wank to more Satyrs. In that case, you can be judgmental and call it out as badwrongfun. As far as we know, Satyrwanker is just indulging in a little sexual fantasy for the hell of it and is exceedingly upfront about it (which I agree could be concluded as mental problems)
>>44477099
I like how you're forced to try and ad hominem, but you're not particularly bright so you just sort of fumbled with it.
I don't take RPGs particularly seriously, I just approach them intelligently. I recognize there are different kinds of fun, with some being preferable to others, for a multitude of reasons, many of which may be lost on someone who has difficulty appreciating subtle nuances, like yourself.
If your argument boils down to "stop being smart and let me be dumb" then certainly, go ahead and be dumb. But please, don't offer your opinion as if you've actually thought it through.
>>44477168
>Encouraging quests
>>44477269
I like quests.
Mainly civ quests.
Sorry bro, I have this weird weakness for them.
>>44477239
I'm not "forced" to anything, fagboy. I'm CHOOSING to be derogatory towards you, because its clear that you will never admit you are being an autistic badwrongfun puritan. Whereof one cannot engage in an actual discussion, thereof one must mock the other person. You want me to be serious? >> 44477198 Already beat me to the punch.
>>44477316
Could be worse..I could be looking to play a goat-slut.
>>44477352
Fucking Christ:
>>44477198
>>44477198
Your difference isn't to scale.
One person likes elf wizards saving the town from goblins. The other is a goat-slut that is drunk all the time; and horny.
So its like one person likes a fresh hamburger, and the other likes a bucket of shit.
That's a scaled comparison.
>>44477198
If you're just going to prop up subjectivity in hopes of deflating the matter, then it can simultaneously be used to inflate the issue.
It could be argued that that at the point where you're playing as a satyrwanker it's too much. In fact, it's very easy to do that. Or, it can go a step too far, and someone can argue that any roleplaying is too self-indulgent.
I'd recommend not promoting subjectivity as your only saving grace.
At the end of the day, satyrwanker is a joke. An embarrassment. Someone doing something that even people who are ridiculed for role-playing as elf wizards are fully within their rights to laugh at, since he embodies many of the worst parts of their hobby and takes them to a ridiculous extreme.
It certainly could be taken to a further extreme, but already at the level where he's making sure you know he's "dtf" he can be mocked for being a little too eager to fantasize about his goat penis.
Now, it would be a bit much if people harassed him about it, or found him and beat him up for wanting to have a goat penis, but he certainly can stand a bit of mocking that he probably doesn't even know about.
I mean, c'mon. He's probably like sixteen and just found out about satyrs, and his hormone fueled brain probably idolizes the little rapists.
>>44477446
Except it's not, anon.
A McDonalds burger once every week on your lunch break isn't going to kill you, and indulging in sexual fantasy every once in a while isn't going to turn you into an ED article.
Just because you have an immensely puritanical distaste for anything sexual (unless, of course, it's suitably refined and classy I assume) doesn't make such sexual content badwrongfun.
>>44477502
>It could be argued that that at the point where you're playing as a satyrwanker it's too much.
Perhaps; personally, I live by the motto 'different strokes for different folks'; I can be rightfully disgusted at someone's kink (which I am, in the case of Satyrs), but I don't really give a shit.
The very fact that you consider satyrwanker to be some debauched sub-human, based only on the fact that he wants to play a horny satyr who's up for some hot elf pussy rather than any information on the player himself and his physical and mental state, shows that your only problem with it -IS- his fetish.
>>44477533
Not bad wrong fun m8.
Its straight up freak shit we're talking about.
Its a drunken goat-slut. How the fuck can you consider that not wrong on 20 different levels?
Its undefendable. Its a combo of faggotry and beastality. Even in a RPG that's pretty friggen messed up.
>>44477533
>A McDonalds burger once every week on your lunch break isn't going to kill you
It might, actually. I've got two friends who've been told by their doctors they can't eat any more red meat. Sad, but that's life.
And while sexual fantasies in moderation are fine, I'm going to say that at the ERP level it's well beyond the "Meet a pretty barmaid and fade to black" degree.
If you're trying to use roleplaying games for masturbation fuel, you're doing something wrong. Excessively self-indulgent and excessively self-absorbed are not the kind of descriptions you want to encourage putting on your pastimes.
>>44477616
>faggotry
As much as homosexual intercourse disgusts me, so what?
>bestiality
Last I checked, satyrs were sapient half-men with the lower bodies of goats.
>>44477633
Tell me, what's the difference between six guys (and maybe gals) showing up in person for a circle jerk or whatever, and six guys (and maybe gals) meeting up online for some good 'ol wizard hats and robes?
Is it disgusting? You and I both think so.
Is it bad? Not unless it's having an adverse affect on the participants lives (which, I digress, is a debatable point).
>>44477633
>meet a barmaid and fade to black
>be a halfgoat drunk that fucks everything
Mfw some here see no difference.
Wtf guys, srsly.
Goat boi is a freak. Defending him on any level is freakish ad well.
>>44477711
Lower body of a GOAT. Beastality.
>>44477736
Mother of God; either learn how to type, or fuck back to 9gag you little shit.
>complaining about fetishes
>on 4chan
Mate, satyrs and other classical demi-humans are pretty fucking tame.
>>44477592
You seem to be ignoring a few things >>44471056 mentioned.
>The first is the fact that it's a player making a listing for a GM. Rather than put in the work and make his own magical realm, the kid wants someone else to do it for him. Second, his character idea is lazy. "Lol so randum I get drunk and roll to fug the bar maid XDDD" is not a character I want to play with, let alone GM for. Is there any motivation? Backstory? ANYTHING besides a desire to essentially ERP?
I'm not as much of a prude as you night imagine. Sex occurs in my games, though admittedly infrequently. The major difference is that I'm not focusing entirely on having sex in my games, dedicating my games to sex, or designing characters solely around their need to have sex. I've found that really restricts and twists the game into something that's more of a parody of a game, like Shaving Ryan's Privates, Lust of the Mohicans, or In Diana Jones and the Temple of Poon.
I'm not judging him solely because he mentioned something lewd. I'm judging him because he mentioned solely something lewd.
>>44477765
S A P I E N T
Bestiality directly refers to the act of sexual relations between a human and a non-sapient non-human, hence the "beast" part of the name.
>>44477773
>I'm not judging him solely because he mentioned something lewd. I'm judging him because he mentioned solely something lewd.
Alright, and it's at your discretion to do so; it's still not badwrongfun, just a debauched waste of time in your opinion (which I agree with).
If satyrwanker can find a few other degenerates that want to waste the night away wanking to text on a screen, hell, more power to him.
>>44477711
>Is it bad? Not unless it's having an adverse affect on the participants lives (which, I digress, is a debatable point).
See, that is a debatable point. But, beyond that, it also extends beyond those participants lives, and effects even us on this board, who wind up discussing these matters and having them influence our own games.
You might be google searching goat penis right now, and thinking about how cool it would be to have one, maybe even thinking about playing as a satyr in your next game.
>>44477846
>not badwrongfun
>just a debauched waste of time
Can you define badwrongfun for me?
>>44477616
>drunken goat-slut
>wrong on 20 different levels
>undefendable
You realize it's literally a classical myth, right? It's like saying that wanting to play a yeti is beyond the pale.
Just admit that it grosses you out personally and move on. You don't have to be a dick about it and try to pretend there's anything objectively wrong with it, and you're only going to look like an ass for trying.
>>44477883
>But, beyond that, it also extends beyond those participants lives
Out of their own choice and will, and there's nothing wrong with that. Just as that guy working 60 hours a week decides he wants a McDouble instead of cooking rice and salsa for the 5th time this week, maybe Satyrwanker wanted something more substantial than porn, but less bothersome than attempting to court a woman (or less expensive than paying a whore)
>and effects even us on this board, who wind up discussing these matters and having them influence our own games.
If you had anything better to do tonight, you wouldn't be in this thread.
>You might be google searching goat penis right now, and thinking about how cool it would be to have one, maybe even thinking about playing as a satyr in your next game.
Playing a satyr as a legitimate character? Might be fun, maybe as some kind of mountain billygoat monk deal.
For ERP? Absolutely not, considering how I don't ERP and even if I did, the idea of playing as a non-human male just does not appeal to me.
>>44478003
Pretty sure he was joking.
>the idea of playing as a non-human male just does not appeal to me
More importantly get out.
>>44477987
>You realize it's literally a classical myth, right? It's like saying that wanting to play a yeti is beyond the pale.
That's a bit of a stretch.
It would be more like saying playing a rapist centaur was too much, even though they were rapists in classical myth.
>>44477921
>Can you define badwrongfun for me?
Badwrongfun: Something that is literally bad to the actor, participants, and involved bystanders, and produces harm without fail. It is not "something I find personally deplorable and disgusting", but many badwrongfun things ARE deplorable and disgusting to right thinking people.
>>44478026
I hate my hobbies. I should've played football in high school.
>>44478067
>Badwrongfun: Something that is literally bad to the actor, participants, and involved bystanders, and produces harm without fail.
Yeaaaaaah... I'm going to file "debauched waste of time" under that category.
>>44478034
>More importantly get out.
What? I literally just said that if I were to ERP (which I don't, because it's an fulfilling waste of time), I'd do it as a human guy with human legs and a human dick. I don't know about you, but that's a characteristic of 90% of all guy's sexual fantasies.
>>44478038
There's a difference between "too much for my tastes" and "undefendable crime against man and god." He's obviously reaching for the latter.
>>44478097
>Yeaaaaaah
>...
stop that.
>under that category
I would argue that the pleasure and enjoyment gained from the debauched waste of time, as well as its function of sating biological urges, outweighs the harm in the form of loss of productivity.
>>44478104
>fulfilling
unfulfilling*
>>44478097
>Badwrongfun: Something that is literally bad to the actor, participants, and involved bystanders, and produces harm without fail.
>Yeaaaaaah... I'm going to file "debauched waste of time" under that category.
You wouldn't be here arguing with other autistic fuckwits if you honestly believed this.
>>44478104
>90% of all guy's sexual fantasies
I have SEEN some SHIT that makes me highly doubt this.
Besides come on, you could at least be some kind of elf or tiefling or some other almost human sue race but with cool ears or something. You don't HAVE to go pure vanilla or full barbed tentacle dicks.
>>44478141
>I would argue that the pleasure and enjoyment gained from the debauched waste of time, as well as its function of sating biological urges, outweighs the harm in the form of loss of productivity.
And, we enter the horrifying collection of works that include all the pro/anti-pornography debates, which are a nightmare to behold and an even greater nightmare to write papers about.
I'll just settle on agreeing that in moderation, it's fine. If you're not sacrificing anything for it, that's acceptable.
But, I'll leave with the argument that if you're dedicating an entire game to ERP, you're steering it away from a potentially far more fulfilling experience.
>>44478240
>elf
Technically non-human, but it's about as boring as calling a "catgirl" a human with cat ears and a slightly wispy mustache.
>tiefling
Absolutelydigusting.
>You don't HAVE to
Right, you don't have to. It's a matter of personal taste. You could go anywhere from Jim Bob the human, to Leafucker the elf, to a full blown furfag, all the way down to a anatomically correct animal with the mind of a proper sapient.
While the second to last fills me with varying degrees of disgust, and the latter absolutely repulses me, it's still a matter of taste.
Of course, we are assuming this is all a matter of fantasy of course. This conversation would be very different if it were over real life.
>>44477987
Its not the guy saying " that's fucked up" that looks like an ass.
Its the fag saying beastilality is OK, that looks like an ass.
>>44478290
>I'll just settle on agreeing that in moderation, it's fine. If you're not sacrificing anything for it, that's acceptable.
>But, I'll leave with the argument that if you're dedicating an entire game to ERP, you're steering it away from a potentially far more fulfilling experience.
But you must also agree that a game itself is also a waste of time (albeit not a debauched one); if a player is not sacrificing anything important in order to play a wholesome RPG, then they are not sacrificing anything important if they play an ERPG; the only sacrifice they could possibly be making is that of "better" and social pleasure in favor of sexual pleasure.
>>44478357
>I'm rubber and you're glue!
How long until winter break is over, kid?
>Bestiality
Do you not know how words work?
>>44477806
Beastality. Sex involving animals.
Goatsex=beastality.
>>44478414
I don't know if you know this anon, but this will blow your pre-pubescent mind.Humans are animals.
>>44478456
Really? I mean really?
Going for that degree of semantics?
>>44478456
OK, so fucking goats is cool with you. Noted.
Bet you're fun at the farm.
>wuts the big deal farmer Jones? Me and the chicken are both animals!!!
>>44478481
It's not really semantics, considering how all other forms of animal life are sub-sapient (or almost barely so, in the case of higher apes and cetaceans) compared to humans.
If technicolor Venusian space babes with six arms, four boobs, and two tongues suddenly appeared tomorrow, and they had the same level of intelligence as humans, I wouldn't consider fucking them to be bestiality.
Bestiality isn't fucking non-humans, it's fucking living creatures with an intelligence that is incomparably limited to a human's, thus precluding consent. It just so happens that all non-humans lack anywhere near human intelligence.
>>44478532
See >>44478532
>Look Ma, I posted it again! False equivalencies and fallacious argumentation is so fun!
Kill yourself you little shit.
>>44478622
Go back to jerking off to animal porn you sick fuck.
>>44478532
>Bestiality is wrong because it's sex with animals!
>>Humans are animals, and humans have sex with humans, thus your definition of bestiality is wrong and incomplete
>lol goatfucker!!!
Nigger.
>>44478357
How so?
No, really. Enlighten me. Explain why wanting some nice hot quail pussy makes me look like an ass. You can't, can you?
I mean, sure, you can call me a fag and stare in disbelief at your screen, but you can't actually *explain* it. You can't put words together and rationally explain, step by logical step, why it's bad. There's other stuff you could do that for, murder or the like, but for this you're pretty much stuck with disgusted noises, aren't you?
Why do you think that is?
>>44478577
You're mistaking the reasons against bestiality to be solely based around concerns of sapience, likely because you subscribe to some sort of "if there's consent, that's all that matters" mentality.
If you don't understand the reasons why people oppose something, you probably shouldn't try arguing about that topic.
>>44478653
No need to explain the obvious.
If its not obvious, then you're beyond hope.
>>44478653
Please, enough of this "play dumb to tire out everyone by forcing them to explain things to you" act.
>>44478649
>Look Ma!
>>44478674
You're also forgetting that those reasons against bestiality are the -only- reasons against bestiality (assuming we take it to mean sex with non-humans all together, not just sex with non-sapient non-humans) because there are no sapient non-humans to argue about!
Someone makes a law saying "don't fuck non-humans", someone says "but what about sexy sapient non-humans like elves or whatever?", they promptly get laughed at because it's a non issue because elves don't actually exist.
But you are right, there are very good reasons for being against inter-species relations altogether, sapience disregarded; creation of plague because of close proximity to other species being the primary one, as is shown throughout history.
>>44478653
Is not me, by the way.
>>44478327
>elf
>Technically non-human, but it's about as boring as calling a "catgirl" a human with cat ears and a slightly wispy mustache.
>tiefling
>Absolutelydigusting.
Yeah alright fair. People with unnecessarily narrow, boring tastes annoy me, but if there's nothing you want that's not either too extreme or doesn't actually matter then Ol' Faithful it is.
>>44478767
>mom!! Someone on the internet doest into animal sex!! It makes me feel weird.
Time for bed anon.
>>44478808
>I'll repeatedly strawman the opposition!
Not going to lie, I'm legitimately mad right now.
>>44478700
People think wrong things are obvious all the time. If you're not willing to explain the obvious when a cause arises, you're walling yourself in to a potential trap.
Declaring that anyone who doesn't already agree with you is beyond hope is also a dangerous copout for similar reasons. It's one reason echo chambers function as they do.
>>44478738
No, really. I'm going somewhere with this. It's not like it should be HARD to explain, right?
>>44478767
>Is not me, by the way.
This guy is totally me and just shy about his rampant trout-lust.
>>44478859
I can tell. You get upset if someone points out that you're not normal for wanting to fuck animals.
Sorry freak. Its just not a normal "thing".
No amount of spin can make it normal or less freakish.
>>44478865
If you need someone to explain something so simple to you, it's hard to gauge exactly how little you know, and how far back needs to be explained.
You're really just wasting everyone's time acting like an idiot, when you yourself could provide an answer to your own question. You simply refuse to do so, not even to try, and that's intellectually dishonest.
>>44478865
>This guy is totally me and just shy about his rampant trout-lust.
Nigga, please.
>>44478900
Go ahead and quote which of my posts I expressed a desire to copulate with non-sapient non-humans, or non-humans in general. Remember, elves and other such abhumans do count as non-human by definition.
>>44478933
You're probably the guy that made the post in the op.
There can't be too many of you animalfuckers out there.
>>44470811
Because it makes good bait, OP.
>>44478975
Anon, I'm trying to converse in a meaningful manner, can you leave the pointless shit-slinging back in /b/ or /trash/?
>>44478930
>If you need someone to explain something so simple to you, it's hard to gauge exactly how little you know, and how far back needs to be explained.
That's a dodge and you know it. Technically everything suffers from this problem, but it hasn't crippled this explanation, has it? No, you just moved a step back and went for it, because you actually know what you're talking about for this.
Internally, I mean. Obviously it's still deflective bullshit overall.
>You're really just wasting everyone's time acting like an idiot, when you yourself could provide an answer to your own question. You simply refuse to do so, not even to try, and that's intellectually dishonest.
Requesting that you explain yourself isn't acting like an idiot, and it isn't wasting everyone's time. It's succeeded in proving that you can't justify your own argument, or that it's too much effort to do so. This, in turn, demolishes the notion that bestiality is obviously and objectively wrong. If it was, you or that other guy would be able to explain it. You can't.
But sure, I'll answer my own question: Defending bestiality makes me look like an ass because it makes a fair number of people feel icky. That's it. There's some rational reasons for some of it, but ultimately the problem is an emotional response, not anything to do with reality. The health discussions about having sex with cattle look much different and usually don't happen because nobody cares.
However, being a raging asshole because something makes you feel icky does make people care, because it's transparently angry and insecure. At the end of the day, how many badgers I'm having sex with can make me look weird or like I have shit taste, but it's not going to bother anyone who's not riding that particular ick train. How loudly I'm screaming about other people having sex with badgers won't just do that, it'll also make me look like an ass.
In other words, you're less cool than a guy lusting after his neighbor's yak.
>>44479005
Sure.
Pig-fucker.
>>44479143
>It's succeeded in proving that you can't justify your own argument,
Nope.
>or that it's too much effort to do so.
That's the one.
>This, in turn, demolishes the notion that bestiality is obviously and objectively wrong
Not at all.
>If it was, you or that other guy would be able to explain it.
Yes, it can be explained.
>You can't.
No, it's not worth teaching you the fundamentals that you probably already know.
Look, princess, I know what game you're playing, and it's sad. You play the "I'm dumb card", over and over again, in hopes that when the person finally says "Fuck you, I'm tired", you'll say "HA! See! I knew you didn't have an answer!"
Really? That's what you're hoping to accomplish? To try and pretend that just because someone doesn't answer you, that means they don't have an answer, or even more insanely, that there is no answer?
Do you genuinely want an answer? Truly? Fucking google it, so you can get on the same page as everyone else, so you don't look like a moron begging for answers so you can actually partake in the discussion. Basically, you disqualify yourself from participation by revealing you don't have the requisite information to even begin to argue, and somehow you take pride in that.
You are just a tiresome idiot. An intellectually dishonest one at that too. And you want people to spoonfeed you?
>>44479143
>But sure, I'll answer my own question:
>proceeds to strawman
That's not how it works.
>>44479246
Wow rude; I'll have you know that pigs, and barnyard animals in general, are shit-tier 0/10 would not bang.
Get some better taste, pleb.
>>44479263
>Do you genuinely want an answer? Truly? Fucking google it
All of my hues
>>44479309
Go on.
>>44479327
Animalist.
>>44479472
Anon, that's a network for discovery; not an actual word.
>>44471107
There should be a stronger word for bad wrong.
Like badong.
>>44479246
Thanks to you, I'm now going to run an ERP in Mouseguard that's a mashup of Animal Farm and Song of Fire and Ice, with the sex of a Harlequin romance novel because you're the kind of fucking gamer I despise.
