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Discussion Topics:
How much you love Rey.
>>44467033
>but remember not to criticize TFA and only express positive opinions in this diverse and inclusive safe space.
You sly motherfucker.
Rey a shit. Asoka a best.
>>44467085
I like Rey, but I do love Ahsoka. Ahsoka a best indeed.
>>44467085
Agreed, if I'm around for the next thread I'll make the OP Asoka Worship Edition.
>>44467033
Thread's doomed from the start
>>44467085
>Not worshipping the best Togruta
You have shit taste, probably from all the shit you shovel in your mouth.
If they got an actress with waifuable face and body for Rey, you know she would'n't get this much flak from anons.
Case in point:Oscar Isaac and Ian Mcdiarmid
>>44467062
Who has been shot!
>>44467033
Fuck it I could have gone either way on Rey but like a twenty-something from Manchester you fucks have successfully radicalised me, now I love her.
I love how rough and tumble she is while still being hopelessly naive, I love she's more cute than beautiful and I love thatPhasma's her mother.
Who remembers playing this game: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_DroidWorks ?
Two T-65's, two Y-wings.
Bad or just not amazing?
Just feels more fun to me to go that route.
There is never going to be any chill again.
By the time everyone gets the fuck over themselves about TFA, Rogue One will come out and we'll be back where we were. And before THAT shitstorm even clears up, VIII will come out and so on and so forth.
>>44467151
I think that's really what it all boils down to. She's not in a bikini, and she's not cute or attractive. So she's obviously a shit character!
>>44467262
>she's not cute or attractive
And she has an irritating personality. But still she wins at everything while being awful and self-righteous.
>>44467223
Nothing wrong with it. The T-65s just need to be named pilots. And the Y-Wings are pretty solid right now.
>>44467262
>if you don't like Rey you're sexist!!!! >:^(
I think they might have gone a bit overboard with the practical effects on this one.
>>44467277
She didn't win anything. All she did was stand there, fight some space emo kid with a lazer sword, while the HERO OF THE GALAXY single-handedly blew up the entire goddamned planet! Leia should resign and make Poe the admiral of the universe!
>>44467310
Wouldn't the cat get super hot from being stuck in that thing in the middle of a desert?
Poor kitty cat.
>>44467085
>Rey a shit. Asoka a best.
Kek.
>>44467291
Admit it. You'd like her if she looked like Christina Hendricks! Or Maisie Williams.
>>44467281
Actually looking at the points I am thinking 2 Y-wings, Wedge in an X-wing then a Z-95 as a cheap swarm buster with assault missiles.
Just not sure to run the Y-wings with BTL-A4, ion turrets and R2 astromechs or without the title and with twin laser turrets for the same price. Guess I will try both.
>>44467151
>Mfw Finn winds up being related to Lando.
>>44467262
You can do better than that.
>>44467367
>Christina Hendricks
Landwhale.
>Maisie Williams
Fetal alcohol syndrome.
>>44467367
>post two ugly bitches as an alternative
With taste that shit you must be from /tv/
>>44467367
>Maisie Williams
No thank you.
>>44467381
Make one of them a BTL-A with TLT and the stressbot (R3-A2).
If you're going Wedge, I personally would give him an Engine Upgrade over outtig an Assault Missile on a Z-95.
>jedi sniper
what, why, and how
on the other hand, jedi bouncers sounds cool as fuck.
>>44467408
>Fetal alcohol syndrome.
that's the best description of her i've ever heard
>>44467408
Who'd you rather see, then?
>>44467033
So I have found that I really like the look of the Kihraxz fighter. I've got Most Wanted and Slave I-- and shortly, two Kihraxz fighters. Any advice on building a list with 'em? I'm thinking of a Talonbane and cohort + some turret Y-wings but I'm super fucking new to XWM.
>>44467453
I have no issues with her actress, it's the terrible writing that bothers me.
>>44467453
>inb4 you could remove Rey from the film and nothing would be lost
>>44467430
When did she start drinking? I thought she was still underage.
>>44467408
>Fetal alcohol syndrome.
>>44467482
You could remove Harrison Ford from the movie, and nothing would be lost.
>>44467422
Luke used the force to guide missiles into a weak point, why not use the force to guide bullets into heads?
>>44467508
They /did/ remove Harrison Ford from the movie.
>>44467512
Also, mace windu could have saved the galaxy with a fifty caliber.
>>44467033
The Dark Times will never end.
>>44467422
>jedi sniper
It was an enemy type in the RotS game, like Brute - which was clearly meant as an enemy descriptor not a literal description of the rank within the Jedi until Jedi Path decided "sure, Jedi Sniper and Brute sounds like a real thing!"
Would be a cool spec for a Sentinel in F&D though, get some Saber Throw, Intuitive Shot and Prescient Shot in there, maybe an improved Saber throw so you can hit multiple opponents.
>>44467512
>Bullets
What are you, a Sandperson? Fucking savage
I posted a few days ago about moving to a new area and everyone calling me a tourneyfag for playing really basic, noncompetitive builds because they're fucking clowns. The other day I found out that they're calling me 'Jewlob' because I ran a Palob list that they thought was unfair. Now I mad (also drunk) and I'm fixing to go to a tournament this week and fucking obliterate all of them.
I originally ran Palob w/ Opportunist, MC, and Blaster Turret + Torkil w/ TLT and Tactician, Y-Wing w/ TLT, and a Binayre with Cluster and glitter.
I'm going to add either Recon Spec or K-4 to Palob, trying to decide whether I should keep Opportunist and downgrade my Z to Hotshot or Feedback or something or swap Opportunist for Expert Handling for some crazy TL dropping BS and running the Z with homing missiles.
Help me ruin their gay little meta.
>>44467479
The khyraxxz is pretty slick. I like it.
Don't ever bother with Gaz the Hunter. He's shit. But Talonbane is good. Give him Glitterstim, Engine Upgrade, and either Crackshot, Predator, Veteran Instincts, or Swarm Tactics if you want. Mine usually comes out to a cool 35pts. He's an alpha-striker, but don't expect him to be your ace in the hole who will carry you through to end game.
Cartel Maurauders are good, cheap ships. And worth the 20pts. Black Sun Aces are your go-to when you need something a bit more than that. 24pts buys you a Black Sun Ace with Crackshot. 26 adds Glitterstim on it.
>>44467542
You can't bounce bullets off of a light saber.
>>44467417
What elite talent do you find he works best with?
Reposting from previous thread.
Have you guys ever used the "brace" talent from FFG's EotE/AoE books? Could someone use it to remove a setback dice from an enemy's cover? It's so vague (there not being any examples doesn't help) that I'm not really sure how to handle it.
Isn't aiming a better maneuver?
>>44467519
They removed a good few of his internal organs
>>44467552
Go K4, but keep Opportunist.
Or just run 3 Cartel Marauders and 2 Cartel Spacers with Mangler cannons.
Anyway, I've been watching TCW, and just got through watching the episode with the Bonteri family. Got me thinking, you could make a pretty kickin' Malcolm Reynolds analogue in Star Wars
>fought in a militia army for a world that wanted to be independent from the republic
>unaware that top level decisions were made by literal evil fuckers
>all you wanted was freedom
>clones come in and systematically gun down your militia
>orbital bombardment destroys the beautiful vistas and pastoral landscape into a radioactive death zone
>those reinforcements of battle droids never come because the trade federation decides you haven't paid enough dues
>years later, everyone celebrates the empires victory over the evil separatists
>hate the empire because its shit
>hate the rebellion because they want to bring back the republic, that was also shit
>fly my space truck and make money because you can't take the sky from me
>>44467581
They'll just be vaporized instead.
>>44467241
We could always do what /look/ did and set up shop on a porn board
>>44467591
Aiming doesn't remove setback, it just gets you more Boost dice which doesn't necessarily mean the check will go better for you.
I have a PC who braces regularly, mostly to get rid of a setback from using his weapon with the Riot Shield - I've also allowed it to eat setback dice for being over-encumbered and the like.
A GM could add a few setback for any number of reasons, Brace is kind of a broad counter to that. Like "I want to shoot my rifle from this moving space car to the other moving space car, never mind that we're at enough speed we can move several km in a single combat round", that's probably calling for a setback or two.
So as someone who owns neither an A-wing or a B-wing, what benefit does buying a rebel aces pack give me over buying the two individually?
>>44467581
I think it's stated somewhere that most contemporary ballistics would be ineffective against any half decent armor and just bounce off like nothing, and that blisters are popular because they counter the use of most combat armor.
Also, bullets are probably able to be stopped mid flight via the force, making them ineffective against a force sensitive.
>>44467582
On Wedge? Tough call. Predator is a good standby. If you can get outside of someone's arc, Outmaneuver makes him lethal as fuck. Veteran Instincts is a good way to secure him as top PS. Expert Handling isn't a bad option if you give him an R2 and don't want to go with an Engine Upgrade.
But lately? I've been loving Crackshot.
>>44467527
>"I am the senate", now with gun-kata and bullet time
Would watch
>>44467591
Heavy ass fog that's adding 3 setback, or any multiple instances of unsuitable conditions at once that are adding 2 or more setbacks, will benefit from multiple ranks of Brace more than aiming in combat scenarios. And Brace can be used on any check imposed by shit conditions. So somebody trying to fix stuff or heal somebody in a sandstorm would benefit from it while Aiming wouldn't be applicable.
And no, you can't use Brace on cover.
>>44467715
>>44467591
The setback die from Cover is basically Ranged Defense 1 - and extended to checks like Perception and Vigilance because there's a physical object between you and the target.
>>44467670
For the A-Wing, it brings the points down a bit if you don't want to use a missile, adds a GREAT missile option, and has a title (2 copies) that lets A-Wings equip 2 EPTs.
For the B-Wing, it doesn't do that much. Some neat pilots, and 2 copies of a card that adds a crew slot.
That said, buying 1 of each normal expansion and 1 aces pack gives you a great pile of stuff, since aces has enough upgrades to cover the normal A/B.
>>44467483
That's not what fetal alcohol syndrome means, anon.
>>44467609
>use scyks
Jokes aside, I've heard a lot about K4 over Recon but I have a hard time not loving the mountains of defensive focuses and the option of TLing when I feel like it. My main concern is what to do with the 15 points I have left over.
>>44467670
Some neat pilots, some extra upgrades, and a couple of mods and titles that really change up the game when it comes to your ships. A-Wings get a title that lets you take TWO EPTs and a torpedo mod that reduces the ship's cost if you don't want to take missiles, and B-Wings get an upgrade that lets them carry a Crew card.
>>44467527
>Also, mace windu could have saved the galaxy with a fifty caliber.
Actually a good old 12G full of 00 in someone's bedroom usually does the trick.
I'm going to put an end to this, once and for all!
You can't. He must stand trial.
>BOOM!
>>44467783
>torpedo mod
*missile mod. It's missiles on an A-Wing.
>>44467670
Get both Aces and the individuals.
Aces has Kyle and Jan crew cards, some good pilots, the a-wing missile refit, proton rockets, Test Pilot title giving you two EPTs, and the b-wing crew mod.
The individual kits give you different pilots, fire control system in the B-Wing, and push the limit in the a-wing.
>>44467389
This is Lando we're talking about. It would be more surprising if someone in the post-Endor generation wasn't one of his kids. DL-44 malt liquor: it works every time.
>>44467552
I never got the Palob+Opportunist love, it seems like your limited turret range+limiting to green moves makes the worst of the HWK's already crappy dial.
What all do you have for ships?
>>44467542
So uncivilised...
>>44467770
The K4 is nice so long as you're doing greens, and works well if you're getting stress from another combo (like opportunist). The Recce Spec is good if you feel like you need a mountain of focus, but Scum HWKs don't tend to need it as much.
The two Mangler-scyk idea is more to compliment the Khyraxxz, and make people rage when you kill them... With scyks. Otherwise, yeah Scyks are in a bad place.
With 15pts, you could always go Z-95 bannana pirate with an advanced homing missile, -or- a bugzapper array. Bugzappers make hilarious blockers.
>>44467855
Palob + Opportunist actually works pretty well when you've got other ships also fueled off Opportunist. Kath with a K4 is a great example. Range 1 to 2 is easy to stay in, and someone like Kath can exploit the Opportunist while slow rolling around with green maneuvers and free target locks. People stop laughing at Palob and Kath when they watch their ace take 6 dice to the face.
>>44467855
I've got a fuckton of everything, that's not the issue. I did consider Expert Handling for BR shenanigans
>>44468007
You could also go Torkul Mux, and give someone else Predator (or a couple ships). Mux + Predator is a really dirty combo.
>>44468007
I've been running Palob/Torkil with EH/EU respectively, I feel like they need the range control much of the time. As long as Palob has the title he should be fine.
>>44467616
Definitely stealing this for my next EotE character.
What ship is closest to the Serenity?
>>44468007
Try dropping the Binayre to just Dead Man's Switch. Pain in the ass blocker, even if you don't quite get the block due to no move actions, shooting at it won't be in their best interests.
>>44468064
I just realized that once the Dorsal Turret is released, you'll be able to run Torkul Mux with it, and give him three Black Sun Aces with Predator.
Yoda must have been pissed when he realized he would have to include Order 66 in the history update.
>>44467692
Thanks for the advice, going to try it out and see what works.
>>44468128
>What ship is closest to the Serenity?
Barloz, probably.
But I think the YG-4210 qualifies, considering its older then dirt, and isnt even made anymore.
Also, the Ghtroc could qualify, for the same reason
TRAITOR
What's smashball?
So I've been thinking about running a Star Wars RPG for my group and I can't decide if I should stick with Saga, which I'm already familiar with, or dive into the FFG games. Looking over FFG's books I actually quite like the sound of the system, except those god damned dice. I doubt anyone in my group is going to be willing to buy them, so we're probably going to end up with just one set between us and the browser based die roller. Also I was kind of hoping the new system would solve the problem of feeling like I need to pour over a dozen different books to find all the content I want like with Saga, but the FFG game seem to suffer from the same problem with it being divided into the three core books.
Any opinions?
>>44468128
Well, apparnelty Mobquet Medium Transport models actually appear in the background of some Firefly episodes, but in terms of role, something like a GX1 Short Hauler or a Nova Courier probably fits best. Or any number of CEC designs. CEC must make like 80% of their dosh on space trucks.
>>44468243
Technically speaking, you only need one core book to run the game. It has all the basics you need in terms of appropriate equipment, ships and rules, etc. You can run all smugglers/scum, all Rebels or all Jedi out of a single core. And if you have a player who is a specific career they may benefit from looking through their associate splatbook, as you as a GM will benefit from the advice and elements specific to that class.
If you want to integrate all that stuff, then you actually want to look at multiple cores. But that really depends on the type of game you want to run.
Having some trouble with Jedi Academy. I'm on the mission where you infiltrate Vader's Castle with Kyle. I got to the part where you and Kyle split up in the trash compactor; after flipping the switch and meeting back up, I can't figure out what to do. I seem to remember Kyle opens a door for you, but I'm not sure. Regardless, he isn't doing anything, he just stutters around the room with the three dark jedi. Is it glitched?
>>44468243
My group gets by with one set of dice, which came with the Beginner Box. Might add another pack one we get higher level.
>>44468321
It's probably glitched. Restart from a Checkpoint.
>>44468186
"We beefed it hard with the monastic thing and all got killed for it. The end"
>>44468435
Seeing as this is Legends, there's actually something like 4 dozen surviving Jedi spread throughout the Galaxy.
>>44468246
>CEC must make like 80% of their dosh on space trucks
I actually wished the market was bigger on space trucks, and that not every-goddamn-light freighter is made by CEC.
But thats part of the setting - if you want a light freighter, CEC is where its at.
>>44468246
They actually do.
>>44468461
Yeah, but Yoda wouldn't have known how many survivors there were. Shit, he probably didn't know that obi-wan was for sure still alive until 0bby till Luke showed up
>>44468141
Dead man wasn't really exciting me, I was thinking Hotshot or Feedback
>>44468509
Yoda knew Obi-Wan was alive, he met up with him to teach him how to lived forever.
>>44468223
I'm not sure it's ever been fully elaborated on, just passing references. It seems like it might be quasi-similar to US football.
Dude, I'm so excite for my upcoming game of FFG Star wars. I've been collecting a shit ton of homebrew stuff for the campaign since despite owning the three core books (and a few addons) very little of what I am hoping to use is going to be included in the books time periods.
I'm basically running the Phantom Menace, except instead of Jin and Kenobi, they've sent up 4 Jedi, who then encounter an astromech and a Mandalorian warrior when they run off.
Cannot wait to see how they fuck up the timeline, considering we're all fans and know the movies, books, and games pretty well.
I just need the star wars themes to play in the background while we play.
Anyone have any tips to build an enemy Jedi capable of providing a decent challenge to two jedi?
>>44468509
Didn't Yoda specifically mention he knew about Luke longing to leave Tatooine most of his life and how Yoda had been watching him? That's got to take some powerful awareness force magic.
>>44468128
>>44468219
>>44468246
It's a damn big ship, probably about the same size as an Action-class, maybe a little shorter.
>>44468474
Well, I mean, it makes a lot of sense, as CEC has a decent strategy - they make deliberately modular ships which are rugged and have lots of room to customize. If you don't care for how one model in particular turns out, you can check out a different model. There's a couple of designers over the years who have designs which are useful or popular, though that doesn't mean that like 50% of freighter/transport classes in FFG aren't CEC models.
And then they turn that money into the big deal ships like Corvettes and Gozantis, and Starbolt Assault Carriers.
>>44468606
Inquisitor rules from FaD; you'll want to be careful with what you give him if he's only going against the 2 Jedi since 2 force-sensitives might have a very rough time depending on how they're made.
>>44468623
Not in the film
>>44468723
>"A Jedi must have the deepest commitment, the most serious mind. This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph! Adventure. Heh! Excitement. Heh! A Jedi craves not these things. You are reckless!"
>>44468723
>This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away, to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was, hmm? What he was doing. Hmm. Adventure. Heh. Excitement. Heh. A Jedi craves not these things.
>>44468743
>>44468754
Yodamind
>>44468723
Disregard I'm a fagit>>44468743
>>44468754
>>44468773
Empire Yoda > Prequel Yoda.
>>44469044
How about Clone Wars Yoda?
>>44469044
No shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUKGTkiWik
In Jedi Academy I can't get past the part on Vjun where you get ambushed by four sith at once. One just chokes me to death and there's no way for me to escape. It's fucking bullshit. How do I enable chats? When I use devmapall or helpusobi1 in the console it just says "cheats are not enabled on this server". What the fuck does that mean?!
Man, the plot of The Crystal Star makes no sense. Why did they need the weird "Howlrunnder strapped to a big ass cargo pod" ship to get Dyzm free? They already got him on board Leia's cruiser in the start, and managed to sneak out enough plague bugs to destabilize the whole region in a pandemic!
Why NOT just spread from there? Sure it would be a slower spread than taking an entire shipping container of Droch bugs out in one go, but that's surely all they needed.
>>44469118
Even dumber since he had so many visions towards the end that he should have believed Fives right away.
>>44469154
That's Twilight Planet, not Crystal Star - which also isn't very good but for entirely different reasons.
>>44469148
There's actually a secret:git gud
>>44469148
A) They're Dark Jedi.
B) From the Main Menu, follow these instructions: http://jkhub.org/tutorials/article/175-model-dismemberment-realistic-lightsaber-combat/
This is the only "cheat" you will need.
>>44469148
Use Force Push to escape Force Grips.
What powers have you invested in?
>>44469148
Isn't that when you first get into the castle proper? I'm almost certain that when you jump up to initiate the level is where it happens. Could be wrong.
Well, what difficulty are you playing on?
Also, why have you not invested in Force Absorb and if you HAVE, why aren't you using it? Get max Protect too for maximum I'M INVINCIBLE
>>44469127
Such a simple use of the Force that carries with it a huge amount of emotional weight. It's just picking up a ship and moving it, but to our apprentice, it seems like the impossible, and the score is done perfectly for the scene with Based John Williams.
Shit like this is why Empire Strikes Back is the best Star Wars movie. I still feel myself tearing up a little when I watch this scene, even after analyzing its every element, it still conveys its power so effectively.
>>44469154
>>44469187
Derp. Yeah, That was just a brain fart, I'm not the guy who got them majorly confused for several years.
Crystal Star had its own assload of problems, mostly Waru feeling super out of place, and everyone but the kids being out of Character.
Are the FFG RPG starter sets any good? I've been thinking about picking up the F&D or EoE starter sets as an intro to the respective games. Can the real games cross over normally, or is it like the 40k FFG games where there is a power curve between them?
>>44467737
Brace doesn't work on cover, at all. 1 section, 3rd question. https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/108101-ffg-developer-answered-questions/
The idea of brace is that you're preparing yourself or positioning yourself in a way that helps against poor environmental conditions. Negating Defense from Cover is more covered by Precise Aim, and trying to negate Setbacks when doing Perception/Vigilance checks through objects is more covered by stuff like the Multi-Optic Sight attachment.
>>44469334
Nope, no power curve. A 100 XP character in EotE is a 100 XP character in AoR is a 100 XP character in F&D.
FS tend to get pretty brutal at high XP levels due to force powers and lightsabers, but for everyone else there's shit like rolling 5 yellow to fly the ship or autofire/blast weapons.
>>44469148
I can't believe you don't know that push escapes choke.
Even scrub tier enemies will do it to you, it's the reason choke is useless on force users unless you fling them.
Look up the code to enable cheats and put g_saberrealisticcombat on, set it to 3 at least.
>>44469291
It sucks that you can't say that it's good without people crawling up your ass about Red Letter Media. Like it was impossible to have enjoyed the originals before them.
>>44469356
Which is what I said, but simpler and more assumptive that the reader understands the game rules already.
>>44469387
>Look up the code to enable cheats and put g_saberrealisticcombat on, set it to 3 at least.
Oh, it's different for Academy, I was remembering the Outcast codes.
>>44469334
Interchangeability is approximately 100%
The only thing is deciding which motivation mechanic(s) you want to use
>>44467408
I bet you're a hit with.... everyone.
>>44469334
They cross over fine, Force Users will only outclass everyone else if they're in a relatively high XP range (300+) and they're min/max-ing. But even then, a min/max-ing EotE/AoR character will still outclass a min/max-ing FaD character until way high XP levels (probably closer to 600xp).
And you don't really need to buy more than one Beginner Game unless you HAVE to have the different adventures or included tokens/maps. If you only care about one of the adventures, or don't care about them at all, just grab the Beginner Game that seems most interesting and save the rest of your money for dice/supplements if you decide to get a Core book.
>>44469387
I think you're forgetting that this generation lacks the capacity to learn on their own.
He's only playing the inferior jedi academy because he probably got lost on nar shadda in outcast.
>>44469407
I don't even know what Red Letter Media is, but I can guess.
My mother-in-law gave me this for Christmas. Wore it to TFA like the tool I am.
In X-Wing, what's more important, upgrades or ships? Particularly for Rebels.
>>44469407
I rewatched the originals in VHS release without all the Lucas crap before VII hit. Figured I might as well touch on the source before stepping into the next chapter.
Why do people crawl up your ass about Red Letter Media? They generally just hate on the prequels and the Lucas edits.
Are there official cat people races in SW? Or just furry shit like Juhani?
>>44469546
Make one up and pretend its old EU
>>44469519
Because most people don't want to waste the energy developing their own opinions.
That's why movie reviews exist.
>>44469493
Upgrades, that you have to buy ships for,
So ships.
>>44469470
>>44469377
>>44469445
Thanks, I want to run a F&D with the players being padawans on the run after Order 66 or people helping them, so I appreciate the answers.
>>44469519
Because they, being contrarians or something, believe that folks like me are nostalgiafags or just parroting why Mike thought the prequels were awful and Empire was fucking fantastic.
>>44469560
So, lots of ships>>>a few ships with lots of upgrades?
>>44469483
Nar Shadda was a pile of dick, even when you knew where you were going.
I'm able to remember the map layout for pretty much every game I've ever played, and I'm certain it's an ability I developed just in order to deal with those three levels.
>>44469493
Possibly upgrades? Although it's more down to personal playstyle.
In truth both Imperial or Rebels can be played either way.
For rebels some variety of B-Wing swarm used to be very solid, although it's getting replaced for massed TLT Y-Wing swarms these days.
Imperials obviously have their multitude of TIE Swarm lists.
On the other side of things you have stuff like Super-Dash and Fat Han, or Vader + Fel + Emperor in a Shuttle builds.
>>44469589
Depends on the ships. Upgraded ship > Base ship at least.
>>44467262
Dirty hands Leia is sexiest Leia.
Rey will be better when she isn't in a sand-filled Tusken Raider zoot suit.
>>44469613
Ah, gaming before playtesters.
It used to be such a challenge.
>>44469483
>bragging about being good at the singleplayer mode of a decade-old video game
siiiiiiiiiiiiiick
>>44469559
Well, this is always the answer. I just wondered if there was an official one.
>>44469691
Why does this trigger you?
>>44469387
>>44469483
Or because he wanted the Concussion rifle back (even nerfed as it was), or because he finished Outcast.
>>44469387
Even if you don't fling a darksider it's useful to choke them.
After they push you off them they turn off their lightsaber and you can run up to them and get in a few free hits.
>>44469291
The music, the time it takes to fully show the scene, make it.
>>44469709
I thought it was funny.
>>44469702
Togorian, Cathar, Zygerrian. Probably more.
>>44469493
Depends.
Player skill matters the most.
Then probably ship and upgrades, since they're really one factor.
Then luck.
>>44469546
Yes.
Cathar.
There's lion people in one of the EU books. Can't remember what they're called.
There's werecats too.
>>44469589
When you asked "ships or upgrades" the guy that responded didn't know whether you meant list building or purchasing.
Learn how to form a fucking question.
>>44469765
Player skill mitigates luck. I wouldn't put it above it though. I've seen someone get chased for quite a while and they just keep evading shots, especially interceptors.
>>44469493
Yes.
Both are equally important, really. Luckily most upgrades come with ships you want, and are worth having... Unless it's from another faction, but half the fun of this game is how each faction plays differently, and how it takes so little to play more than one faction.
>>44469589
No. Lots of ships, a.k.a. Swarms, are good in their own right. Few, heavily upgraded ships, a.k.a. Aces, also have their merit. For example, Soontir Fel and Vader can be amazing. So can a Tie Fighter swarm led by Howlrunner. 4 B-Wings with Fire Control Systems -or- Advanced Sensors is a powerful list, and so is a souped up Han Solo with Corran Horn.
Basically, there is no "better" way to build ships in general. Just some ships lend themselves to upgrades and expensive, but good pilots (i.e. Interceptors), while other ships lend themselves well to swarms (Tie Fighters, Z-95s). And some ships can be used as either.
>>44469691
Man, Megaman 1-3 are still hard as fuck.
>>44469790
I wish we could rid ourselves of filth like you.
>>44468533
It's actually better on the named HWKs, simply because they're big targets to anyone who knows what they're doing.but given your stories, these guys don't sound like that
>>44469806
It's not the difficulty of the game, it's the idea that that is boastworthy.
Landspeeders
D-4 Mobile Defense Platform
D-4S Projection Platform
Walkers
Rufescent Cargo Hauler
Wheeled Vehicles
Tsmeu-6 Personal Wheel Bike
Starfighters
Blade-32 Superiority Fighter
M12-L Kimogila Heavy Starfighter
Miy'til Starfighter
Freighters
Barloz-Class Medium Freighter
ND-47 Stalwart Bulk Freighter
Barrage Gunship
Penumbra Stealth Freighter
VCX-100 Light Freighter
Keeping the Peace has an interesting vehicle list
>>44469589
It depends, usually it's
lots of unapgraded cost effective ships>>>>some upgraded but not cost effective ships
also it's usually a bad idea to fill with upgrades a cheap ship like a generic pilot, either you play 2-3 good named pilots with some upgrades (don't go all out) or you go with as many unapgraded generics as you can fit in your list
How's this for a list?
Four TIE/fo Fighters.
Omega Leader
Omega Ace
Two Omega Squadron Pilots
Two Juke+Comms Relay combos.
Assorted Elite upgrades.
>>44469560
True, though sometimes reviewers can point out things you might have missed, and you can get a second opinion. Though it should be considered either supplementary, to help establish a deeper understanding of one's own opinion, or as a means of warning you off a bad movie.
>>44469573
You can think the prequels sucked and Empire ruled entirely independent of RLM, I love the simple scenes like this that establish character growth and establish an emotional connection without excessive action and a relatively simple setup. One that ties to its conclusion in a meaningful way.
>>44469721
I love that as well. They take their time until you realize he's basically just demonstrating what Luke though impossible. And it delivers Yoda's most underrated quote at the end.
>>44469836
Who is boasting?
Nobody.
Calm your spergrage, Kyle-O.
>>44469836
>nihilist
Please leave.
>>44469483
Jedi Outcast's Early Level Design was atrocious though.
>>44469836
Ah, I see.
I dunno, I still respect someone who can do Ghosts & Goblins twice through more than the Dark Souls games. I don't think its nostalgia either since I didn't play those as a kid. I dunno why.
If I could do it I'd probably brag.
>>44467453
the cock goblin of course
>>44469857
>True, though sometimes reviewers can point out things you might have missed, and you can get a second opinion.
>changes their mind when presented with new ideas
>instead of just digging in and refusing to reconsider
Boy that kind of human is a rarity.
> I love the simple scenes like this that establish character growth and establish an emotional connection without excessive action and a relatively simple setup. One that ties to its conclusion in a meaningful way.
I lament that TFA was extremely lacking in that respect.
>>44469846
too bad the VCX stats are utter horseshit
any pics of the Blade?
>>44469286
Hey Quest, could you find me a fic where Luke and Leia deal with the fact they made out? More humor than romance.
>>44469878
Make me.
>>44469895
It was difficult to navigate. That used to be an aspect of the challenge in a 3d game.
Playtesting made sure that nobody ever felt bad while playing a video game, which is why we have EA's Battlefront.
Choose.
>>44469934
>Focus groups made sure that nobody ever felt bad while playing a video game, which is why we have EA's Battlefront.
Fixed
>>44469790
Bruh
>>44469921
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pSOBeD1GC_Y
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VMMVrYly73k
>>44469956
Focus groups are the playtesting i'm referring to, not in-house development.
The difference between Portal 1 and Portal 2, for instance.
>>44469934
>>44469956
>le epic false dilemma
>>44469982
Oh, we fell for another troll.
Silly us.
Super Silly Us.
>>44469919
>too bad the VCX stats are utter horseshit
Well, it could make a good pocket capital ship for say, a Rebel cell using Contribution rank but other than going with Kanan as a guardian there's not a lot of reason to slap it in the book.
>any pics of the Blade?
No idea, this is just some more information I've managed to pick up from people who actually have the book. We had an anon with some quality reveals a while back maybe they can look for pictures.
>>44469934
But EA Battlefront is very easy to get lost on, you spawn where the fuck ever the computer hits on a dartboard and die so fast there's no time to explore and find/reinforce vantage points. Lack of single player means no practice either.
>>44469911
>I lament that TFA was extremely lacking in that respect.
I sadly agree. I would have love some more simple scenes. Poe having some more time with Finn for bromance, Rey learning a bit more or empathising with Finn a bit more, some more time with Han, probably feeling how worn out he is on the whole "life" thing...
I did like the scene when Finn sees Poe for the first time after the crash, seeing him alive. I mean, that held a little weight of its own delivered purely by the characters.
>>44469921
A fic? Just read Truce of Bakura, where Luke gets over it and Leia has to get over the fact that Darth Vader's her father. I mean, Luke had a hard enough time dealing with that knowledge, Leia learns on Endor that Luke is her brother and also how Vader is her dad. She needs some time to process things as well.
>>44470005
>Poe having some more time with Finn for bromance
I was advocating the removal of the tie fighter escape scene the other day and people kept saying how vital that pointless action was.
Different strokes, i suppose.
>>44467157
>Fuck it I could have gone either way on Rey but like a twenty-something from Manchester you fucks have successfully radicalised me, now I love her.
Pretty much this. I'm actually gay for Poe. And Finn's fun too, but it wasn't until some /swg/ anon's started complaining about Rey that I had the time to reflect on her and ended up deciding that I like her too.
As she stands for me now, episode VIII's going to have to make her backstory especially awful, like a Sheev's secret clone or Kylo Ren's twin sister kinda nonsense, for me to dislike her.
>>44470069
>Pretty much this. I'm actually gay for Poe. And Finn's fun too, but it wasn't until some /swg/ anon's started complaining about Rey that I had the time to reflect on her and ended up deciding that I like her too.
I can accept that she can fight, i can accept that she can fly smallcraft,
but her flying the falcon through the star destroyer was a bit much. Imagine a regular person who can drive a car jumping into a semi truck and just being perfect at driving it through traffic.
That's only two dimensions to worry about.
I can't imagine how hard it would be to accurately fly the falcon through narrow spaces considering you cannot see the left side of the thing and there are no wing mirrors. Only lando or han, with their shitload of experience could do it reasonably.
>>44470057
It wasn't vital, it was just awesome. There wasn't enough ships as it is, and for all the scenes to remove or cut short the TIE battle isn't high on the list.
Axe Ren's hissy fits instead, or cut the entire point between Han and Chewie picking up the Falcon and them escaping on it.
Nothing more needed to be developed between the two characters though.
>>44469919
Blade-32 Superiority Fighter
Sil 3; Spd 4; Hndl -2
0/-/-/0; 4 Arm; 12 HT; 8 SS
Hypderdrive: Prim Class 3; Backup: None
Navi: Yes
Sensor: Close
Complement: 1 pilot, 1 aft gunner
Enc: 10
Passenger: 1 if no gunner
Consumables: 1 week
Price: 60k/7
HP: 1
Weapons: Forward mounted twin light laser cannons (Fire arc forward; 5 Dmg; Crit 3; Rng Close; Linked 1)
Aft-mounted twin light laser cannons (Fire arc forward; 5 Dmg; Crit 3; Rng Close; Linked 1)
Forward mounted twin concussion missile launchers (firearc forward; 6 Dmg; Crit 3; Rng Short; Blast 4; Breach 4; Guided 3; Limited Ammo 10; Linked 1; Slow firing 1)
>>44470141
Ren's hissy fits are a vital part of his character though.
If you cut out all of the pointless blasting and whooping, you could have given more than 15 seconds to finn getting his name.
As is, Finn only likes poe because poe is Black Leader.
Everybody knows thatPoe and Finnhave the best romance in Star Wars history.
>>44470132
>how did this Force-sensitive individual manage to pilot a craft so well
>>44470132
And Lando and Han both have flown it through much tighter spaces with less room to maneuver, at higher speeds. What she did wasn't up to their skill level, or even Chewies.
>>44470185
Is that just the excuse for everything now?
It was a silly scene that just reminded me that the characters were immortal due to their value to the plot.
Even Anakin hit shit in his pod racer.
>>44470132
>Imagine a regular person who can drive a car jumping into a semi truck and just being perfect at driving it through traffic.
Which would be bad if you were actually a normal person, and not a latent psychic space wizard. Like, I think kind of the point is that you go "Huh, Rey's really good at this", and the movie is supposed to build to kind of an understated conclusion that she's quite powerful. She's the classic talent no training character.
Which will hopefully make some scenes in VIII interesting if Luke takes any cues from his teacher about "unlearn what you have learned" and all that.
>>44470169
Finn likes Poe because:
1) The guy is Resistance, and Finn has realized that means the morally superior faction
2) Poe is a badass who got him out of the First Order alive
3) Poe is a major badass who saved him from the First Order again
4) Poe vouched for him to get into the Resistance
That's much more than Han and Luke had together by Empire.
>>44470057
It was a rather pointless action scene. They could have instead used their combined abilities to figure out a more subtle escape. It'd be a difficult rewrite considering the setup, but action for the sake of action is excessive. It was kind of annoying how a single fighter could cause problems for a ship that large.
>>44470141
Yeah, Han and the freighter seemed a bit much. I would have loved axing the squiddly chase scene, though, despite how satisfying it was watching the thing get pulled apart across the Falcon's cockpit.
>>44470185
>MIDI-CHLORIANS, SON
Though I'm starting to think she has experience, it's just locked away in her memory. Kylo manages to pull the memory of the island in the sea from her head, info that is highly pertinent to the final scene where she sees Luke, so she hasn't been pulled out of a vacuum. If she has an affiliation with Luke, maybe she has one with Han and the Falcon as well?
>>44469995
Just as well you have no time to learn the maps, or the fact there's only four fucking planets would really grate on you.
>>44470227
I don't think it was much tighter than when lando flew into the second death star. The tightest spot in that was when it clipped the rectenna off.
>>44470245
>Which would be bad if you were actually a normal person, and not a latent psychic space wizard.
So why did ANH go to the trouble of stating that luke was good at flying?
Force, yes. But it's a bad way to frame a character in a movie to just have that ass-pull for whatever you want.
>>44469921
Maybe? Just like the Anakin podracer thing, it all depends on whether writers find it interesting or not.
>>44469951
>>44469964
Well, I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
>>44470245
>She's the classic talent no training character.
Can you name some other examples from non-star wars movies?
>>44470293
>So why did ANH go to the trouble of stating that luke was good at flying?
Luke huffily stating that he's not that bad of a pilot himself in response to Han's price for passage to Alderaan is not the same as him actually being a good pilot.
>>44470315
Spiderman.
>>44470249
Poe also gives Finn his sweet jacket. Maz gives him a lightsaber meant for someone else, hoping it would get to Rey, but Poe just gives the guy his favorite jacket for, well, helping him escape certain death.
>>44470172
>NotMaz and Chewie.
You detestable swine.
>>44470315
Honestly, it's actually a trait a lot of protagonists in anime have - they have loads of raw power which gets them through early conflicts but when they meet powerful enemies who are also well trained, then you have your typical "we must go train" plot point.
>>44470329
No, i'm referring to "I used to bullseye womp rats in my t-16 back home, they're not larger than a few meters"
One is how you make a good movie, the other is not, in a lot of director's opinions and mine.
>>44470342
He had a montage.
>>44470342
He faceplants the first few times he tries, then we get a montage, as i recall. I never saw Amazing 1.
Spiderman is a bully though.
>>44470329
>bulls-eyeing whomp rats
>just like beggars canyon
The movie went out of its way to actually say Luke has some fairly close experiences to one of the few things he excelled at in ANH.
>>44470368
>MONTAGE
>>44470362
That's him saying he's a good shot more than a good pilot. Or maybe both simultaneously.And he still has to use the force to make that shot
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>>44470360
>Honestly, it's actually a trait a lot of protagonists in anime have - they have loads of raw power which gets them through early conflicts but when they meet powerful enemies who are also well trained, then you have your typical "we must go train" plot point.
I don't like those animes. I prefer Hard work and Guts.
>>44467422
>>44468186
>>44468223
Anyone got a complete collection of these as a pdf? I've always loved when they put in-character comments and snipes in fact books
>>44470245
She doesn't have Force training, so her using the Jedi mind trick was bullshit, but she's established as a badass mechanic, knows how to fly well enough that getting in a superior ship gives her advantages over TIE Fighters (fuck your shields, they're still just eyeballs), and knows how to scrap in a fight using melee weapons.
But yeah, the mind trick was complete bullshit. I'd have shrugged it off if Han had been telling her a story about Luke doing something like that while at the bar, but that came outta nowhere. Probably from a cut scene, but that shit won't fly until the director's cut.
>>44470396
>training
>not hard work
And Guts had lots of raw potential.
>>44470380
>And he still has to use the force to make that shot
That is only implied. The force wasn't really well defined at that point. Entering a zen state and "let go, luke" was always what i imagined.
>>44469709
Why does pokemon trigger you?
>>44470415
Training is largely just a pointless thing. One Punch Man deconstructs that. In all anime, the protagonist is going to win no matter what.
Training just lets them write more filler material.
>>44470419
Book has him entering a daze, barely even remembering making the shot. He, at that point, managed to become an extension of the Force, but hadn't learned to truly master it.
>>44470258
Except you know, Lando flew through the the radius of the Death Star twice, and had to maneuver through narrow passages far longer than Rey ever did. Not to mention he raced a goddamned explosion the second time, all while acting as a general for the Rebel Fleet, and leader of the fighter squadrons.
Plus he's a smooth pimp, suave debonaire, was quickly forgiven for backstabbing his friend(s), govenor of a goddamned mining city, and probably banged Solo's girlfriend at some point during his carbonite freeze. I'm not saying Lando's a Mary Sue, but Lando's a Mary Sue.
>>44470467
Do you have to drag this down into shitposting because you're mad that someone has an opinion you dislike?
>>44470432
./vp/
>>44470413
Yeah, I think honestly there's some cut or ancillary stuff which should have been in it. Like, she's obviously familiar with legends, and supposedly Max Von Sydow was like, part of a "Church of the Force" group who talks about the Jedi and Force and stuff, and Kylo did just give her a demonstration of Force Mind Shit 101.
It's like you have all the pieces, but the movie doesn't fit them together. It's like not showing your work in maths.
So, /swg/
Proton torpedoes: Good or Bad?
>>44470413
>She doesn't have Force training, so her using the Jedi mind trick was bullshit
I'm sorry you think that it's literally impossible to use space magic untrained.
Training allows for consistency and finer control, it is not required to be able to do things period.
>>44470005
Was Truce at Bakura actually any good?
>>44470413
The most major problem was her using it in the standard Jedi format. It's literally just a callback, since she didn't see it from Ren. Ren just mindraped people by blasting them super hard with the force.
>>44470467
Are we sure it was't based Nien "Comfortably" Nunb?
>>44470516
Ignore this troll.
>>44470368
>>44470375
Fine. Riddick. All talent. No known training. And apparently an ace pilot who can expertly fly everything.
>>44470452
Would you consider >>44469127 pointless filler?
Aren't most stories about the protagonist winning eventually?
>>44470516
That was pretty damn amazing for untrained, having JUST discovered being Force sensitive.
I could get it if she had to really Force him one step at a time, but it was just like three tries?
>>44470413
>tits
nope
>>44470564
Turns out having to focus on day-to-day survival gives you a strong will to succeed.
Meanwhile Luke had a defeatist attitude about pulling his xwing out of a swamp, and thus couldn't do it.
Also I don't think there's any information on how exactly a mind trick works, if it's just plant an idea and they go with it, the step by step thing doesn't work.
>>44470504Depends on the context.
In X-Wing, regular ones look like a good, solid hit, though a little pricey. Not pricey for what they can do, but just a little pricey as a torp.
Advanced necessitate you getting up close and personal, but if you've got a Focus Token or abilities that affect Focus results in some way, it's damned powerful. Also even pricier.
If you are willing to spend those points and support investing in a powerful hit like that, you can probably make out well with it, but over reliance seems like a bad idea.
>>44470527
The whole movie is full of callbacks.
>>44470483
It's tongue in cheek.
I don't mind someone having a different opinion, but for fuck's sake let it go already. The "Rey's a Mary Sue" bullshit is getting real old. We get it, you don't like her and have strong opinions against her. Stop trying to force your opinion on everyone else.
I just got into X-Wing and I'm not familiar with their release schedule. Anyone know about when Imperial Veterans is due?
>>44469934
Remember that stage on the mining planet where you had to jump onto a pipe you couldn't see and navigate your way into a room that filled up with radiation every 20 seconds and blow up the machine that produced the radiation so you could ride that mining cart through the facility?
THAT was fucking retarded. Outcast has some truly awful level design.
>>44470554
>Would you consider >>44469127 pointless filler?
Considering how much the branding of star wars shits on the message conveyed there, sadly yes.
>>44470681
>I don't mind someone having a different opinion, but for fuck's sake let it go already. The "Rey's a Mary Sue" bullshit is getting real old. We get it, you don't like her and have strong opinions against her. Stop trying to force your opinion on everyone else.
You have the power to ignore posts you don't like.
>>44470691
Goddammit, you're right.
>>44470685
You could check FFG's website, but know they're ALWAYS late. They make good product, but it takes a while and it's never on time.
>>44470132
>not being able to barely fly through large openings you know intimately
Her piloting was average for Star Wars and she didn't outfly either tie pilot. The *only* thing she did was line up Finn's shot for him using the force. Then she uses the force to shut a blast door. Then she used the force to shoot a stormtrooper. Then Ben pro bed her mind and the mind wipe of her Jedi training before being saved from Ben killing the Jedi kicked in.
>>44467788
>I'm going to put an end to this, once and for all!
>You can't. He must stand trial.
>>BOOM!
>>44470635
It was bad enough that it was meant to be a humorous scene but was so clunkily handled that it was just cringey.
>>44470691
How does it shit on "Do or Do not, there is no try." ?
>>44470685
what i've heard it's gonna drop some time in late spring/early summer
>>44470668
Every Jedi ever goes 'You will...'
Maybe that's not how a mind trick works, since Kylo Ren reaches into their mind to make them say what he needs to know, but that's what Qui Gon, Obi Wan, Luke and every other fucking Jedi does.
And Rey, apparently, despite the fact that she's not learned it from anyone, and the guy she's allegedly copying doesn't do it that way.
>>44470687
It was difficult. Why shouldn't it be?
>>44470169
The first time I saw it I had this Like/Dislike thing with Poe. He just didn't seem "right".
Watching it the second time I definitely liked him. He's a wise-ass and all but when you look at what he says it really seems like he knows he's a natural but also knows how to do things the hard way. When he was flying with Finn as well as in group he took what ever limited input the others gave him and also gave them a sort of "this is how you do it" explanation for things. He struck me (and this is with what we were given) as a good Teacher as well as walking the walk.
>>44470504
In X-Wing, meh. They require some setup, and hit for only 4 dice (admittedly with a boost). And they cost 4pts. There are better options now, like Ion Torpedoes if you want to pay that much, or Plasma Torpedoes.
In Epic games however? Absolutely! A good volley of Torps from a trio of X-Wings can do some serious hurt to a huge ship! B-Wing groups are rightfully feared by huge ships, because they can pack a fuck-ton of firepower and/or strip you of energy through mass Ion.
>>44470732
Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.
Crude matter was all disney wanted out of the franchise, and sadly, it's all we get.
>>44470707
>You have the power to ignore posts you don't like.
Not even that guy, but one post is easily ignorable. Every thread gets drawn into this TFA shitposting, and its getting to be really tiresome
I don't like agreeing with dickass mods, but maybe TFA discussion should go back to /tv/ for the time being
>>44470413
It's established that there are legends about what the Jedi could do and that Rey is well familiar with them. It's not inconceivable that she heard about Jedi mind tricks and decided to try pulling one off. If she succeeded on her very first try I'd call bullshit, but it took her multiple attempts to get it to work.
>>44470752
I'm all for difficult games. In this case, the difficulty hinged on finding an extremely difficult path.
Then again, maybe I just really hate first person platformers. That's probably it.
