How is civilian life like in the Imperium? Considering how vast it is surely there is a lot of planets with good quality of life otherwise most of them would rebel.
>>44461865
No.
In the grimdark of the far future, there is only edge
Well depends on what you define as good....
The chances of being born on a hive world and into misery are fairly low but then again all the other worlds in the imperium exists to support such worlds and there efforts to support the war machine.
There is not much on the day to day of your average hive worker/agri farmer/industrual workers life. however leisure and other such activities are likely tied into the imperial cult to a large degree.
Think of it like living in a huge cult where everything you do more or less is controlled daily and while there are things you can do to take the edge of its likely to be "sanctioned activities only".
Unless you're born in ultimar... in which case everything is "fine"
>>44461865
It's not slavery if it's for the Emperor.
There's some 1000 inhabited planets in the Imperium. And many of these are made up multiple continents and nations.
And each has its own set of particularities, living conditions, social forms and so on. And then there are the spaceships and stations.
So, civilian life is all kinds of ways in the Imperium, depending on where you are, who you are, how competent you are and what you do.
The only quality of your life that should concern you is the quality of your service to the Emperor.
>>44461939
This tbqh senpai
>>44461934
>There's some 1000 inhabited planets in the Imperium.
You forgot few zeros.
>>44461934
Sorry,
the fuck are you on?
Theres over 32,000 hive worlds alone.
I think people seem to forget that when they say "empire of a million worlds" they actually mean it.
>>44461865
Life for most humans throughout history was pretty poor quality, but that doesn't mean history is a constant series of revolutions.
>>44461902
Ultramar is actually better place to live than our modern Earth
>>44461934
Imperium has milion planets not 1000 retard
>>44461865
The novels about Inquisitor Eisenhorn and Inquisitor Ravenor (by Dan Abnett) give quite a good glimpse into civilian life in the Imperium. It depends on the world.
>>44461865
I reckon that life on Terra would be pretty shit for the vast majority
>>44461865
Depends on the planet. Some are horrible, some are pretty okay.
>>44461865
Sure, The Imperium of Man is a huge place and there's many planets where there's no wars, chaos uprisings or genestealer infiltrations. There's worlds that are pretty nice to live on and aren't half dead poison choked hive worlds.
We just don't hear about those planets much because they are 'boring'.
>>44462029
Yeah but you'd have to live near Ultramarines, the most annoying bastards in the galaxy
There's worlds that are alot like ours but with more skull decorations and tech-superstition.
>>44461865
The quality of civilian life within the Imperium varies greatly from planet to planet. Keep in mind that the Imperium contains around a million worlds so even though there are plenty of hell-hole planets there are probably some paradise worlds and everything in-between. The fluff has mentioned that Ultramar is a pretty nice place to live.
>>44462087
Ultramar is a great place to live exactly because holy Ultramarines the best of the best every other chapter aspires to be like live there
if Ultramarine visits a hive world shithole then the quality of life is increased tenfold already just because of his majestic presence
>>44461865
If you want a vision of the grimdark society of the Imperium, imagine a skull covered gilded boot stamping a head. For the last 10000 years.
I was kicking around the idea of a "Modern Army" imperial guard regiment, so from a world in a quieter section of the galaxy that had been roughly at tech level & society close to or slightly ahead of our own before being rolled into the Imperium by explorer fleets,
for flavor the guardsmen would use autoguns and special/heavy weapons similar to the sort used today and for a unique unit they would have cityfightng-specialist elites who would be all about breaching and clearing in the most TACTICAL of fashion
>>44461997
This. Life is supposed to be miserable. The very few in the Imperial ruling class-- planetary aristocrats, senior government officials of the Imperium, and leaders of the great trading houses, Navigator houses, and the rogue traders-- these have lives of ridiculous opulence.
People can put up with some pretty dystopian shit and not rebel.
But in fairness, rebellion is a constant threat to the Imperium. Insurrections are common, usually just riots in the underhives, but they can spread and engulf cities, planets, subsectors, or even whole sectors. Often at the higher levels, these rebels get mixed up with outside enemies like chaos, tau, genestealer cults, etc.
The main bulwark against rebellion is that no matter how big it is, the Imperium can always throw overwhelming numbers against it. Given that it's doomed, people will have to be pushed very hard indeed before they think it's worth it.
So there you go: people will put up with more than you realize, especially when they know rebellion is hopeless, and yet things are so bad that rebellion is a perennial problem anyway.
With all that said, it's basically a conceit of the setting that people live miserable lives of pure suffering and oppression.
>>44461865
For most, life is no worse than it ever has been, for as far as they can remember. To the vast majority of people that is enough.
As for any absolute standards, those are impossible to give. Try to give an average standard of living for earth, but counting well to do European and american middle classers, day laborers in India, people from the Favela's in Rio and the thousands of refugees from wars in Africa and the Middle-East.
Now multiply the complexity of that question`by about a million, accounting for different planets with entirely different types of climates. It's not going to work.
>>44462276
tactics are HERESY
Throwing millions upon millions of true hero guardsman into the xenos mouths until they literally choke on them?
Thats some heroic shit right there
>>44462294
Only if you are a hack writer or a stupid fantard obsessed with THE EDGE
>>44461865
There are constant rebellions everywhere though, it's just that when there are trillions of guardsmen in the galaxy and fuck tons of PDF as well, not to mention all the other stuff the imperium has, they get put down pretty quick. And by our modern standards, the bottom levels of the hives are essentially in constant rebellion.
>>44462329
Hack writing and edge are the pillars of 40k you fool. If you want a socialists feel good utopia, there is Rodenberry Star Trek
>>44462324
Well guardsmen are capable of actual tactics
As long as they aren't being ordered around by (and intentionally fired upon by the artillery of) lord commanders that are thinly veiled parodies of the common idea of generals from WW trench combat, or wanting to have them murdered for petty personal reasons
Guant's Ghosts is a fairly good example of all this.
>>44462379
You can tell when Rodenberry died by the increase in quality of Star Trek.
>>44462294
Thinkin' 'about rebellin' That's a paddlin'!
>>44462407
By the increase of edge and grey morals you mean
>>44462379
Only Sith deal in Absolutes. More seriously you need to stop acting like everything is an Either/Or situations, the IoM is a massive place and there are parts of it that are pretty damn mundane.
>>44462442
Roddenberry was an okay worldbuilder, but other than that, he was pretty much shit
>>44462451
Mundane like a more functional theocratic NK. But still NK.
>>44462276
Lasguns really are better than modern slugthrowers tho, more accurate and little recoil (admech has to add recoil so it "feels" right lol) and can refill ammo supplies by leaving the powerpacks out in the sun, no reason you can't tacticool them up with grenade launchers and laser sights for that twinlinked feeling.
>>44462047
And like in real life the average quality of life for a bona fide full human citizen seems to average out at an underwhelming OK.
>>44462294
Not just numbers, but expertise. There have been, what, two succesful peasant rebellions in history? And the biggest of those was fought by well-drilled militia pikemen with the support of their respective nobles. I mean, they asked for that support after they started the rebellion, but still.
>>44462488
>admech has to add recoil so it "feels" right lol
More like, they have to add it because the holy texts that imbide the machine spirit with life demand it and not giving them recoil is tech heresy that will only lead to the dark, dank path of Chaos.
>>44461865
Read some of the early Gaunts Ghosts and the Eisenhorn/Ravenor novels.
Abnett does a great job describing civil live.
>>44461865
The truly grimdark planets are few and the majority of planets are varied and many. Some are even like us now.
>>44462442
What's wrong with grey morals? Are you one of those delusional people who think the real world isn't filled with morally grey areas?
In Titanicus there are some really good bits about what civilian life is like as well.
One of my favorite bits in that book are a toy maker whose really happy that there is going to be a Titan War because after its over people will want to buy Titan toys.
>>44461865
Grim and dark
>>44462488
So red-dot laser sights as standard for their weapons? That does seem like something different from other Guard units
For the cityfighting specialists I was thinking they could have shotguns and Carapace armour (along with various grenades and explosive charges, photon flash grenades are a must) to suit both their close-range role and elite status (the carapace would be styled sort of like bomb-disposal gear) but maybe instead they should have las-carbines with underslung-shotguns to be maximum TACTICAL?
>>44462988
No, that is the problem. I have to deal on a daily basis with the worst of society. I sometimes just enjoy a show where people is nice and the goverment does not want to fuck your ass in a blacksite prison.
>>44463285
watch My Little Pony
>>44463309
Then you run the risk of encountering Bronies, thats basically dragging him right back to his day job.
>>44461865
Agriworld - Nice. Farm shit. Lonely. Religious festivals, but nothing too festive. Exist solely to be killed horribly by an invading force.
Feral - Shitty, but exciting. You ride dinosaurs or live in bombed out cities. Occasionally, shiny men in flying boxes take you away to kill other things.
Feudal - Shitty. You work until you fall over and die. Maybe, MAYBE you get some religious festivals, but probably not. Mutants and psykers are likely to fuck up and turn your home into a hell hole.
Hive - Shitty, but also shitty. Gangers rape you in the morning. You work your mandated 26 hour work days. Gangers rape you to sleep. Plagues and invasions are pretty much a given.
Death world - Death world.
>>44462988
You're clearly a fucking idiot who thinks Star Trek bears any resemblance to the real world.
Actually, I take that back. You're a pretty good piece of evidence for the notion that humans will de-evolve into ugly, slimy salamander shit after achieving infinite velocity.
>>44463378
you forgot to mention Paradise Worlds and Civilised Worlds
>>44463504
Paradise world: you work butching meat for nobles on vacation. They'll probably execute you for overdoing their brunch bistec or just for fun.
Some of you people are getting way too far into hurrgrimdark.
Its like saying ALL SEX EMPOWERS SLANNESH and the Imperium hates sex because they are so Roman-catholicesque in their love of giant cathedrals and self-flagellation.
>>44462488
Slugthrowers are better for snipers though, since they don't leave a massive glowing trail pointing out your position every time you take a shot.
>>44463504
Paradise - Shitty, but it smells nice. You will likely be killed because a noble finds it amusing. If you manage to live, chaos will rape you to death and tear your soul to shreds when the inevitable cult shows up.
Civilised - Okay. You work for a living, but don't kill yourself working. Things go well until someone gets the bright idea to dissent and you are killed for knowing that person's cousin's sister's roommate.
>>44462407
>You can tell when Babylon 5 came out by the increase in quality of Star Trek.
FTFY
>>44463841
>that person's cousin's sister's roommate.
Wouldn't that just be his other cousin's roommate?
how about void born civilians?
>>44462237
George Orwell pls go.
>>44463850
>You can tell when Babylon 5 came out by the increase in crybabies whining about their marginal edgy show
FTFY
>>44463841
>>44463378
Forge: Shit, but you're ok with it because you were converted into an emotionless servitor years ago after the nutri-block station observation servo-skull noted a 0.4s delay in nutri-block consumption potentially indicative of discontent.
You're mostly safe from attacks thanks to Mechanicus protection, but on the other hand you have to live with the Mechanicus.
Shrine: Shit, but you enjoy it. Daemons WILL show up to rape your face at some point.
>>44463841
civilized worlds are pretty much like earth is but with more fundamentalism and some more or less advanced technology
>>44464101
>You can tell when Deep Space 9 came out by the increase in crybabies whining about their marginal edgy show
FTFY
>>44462276
>Using 21. century tactics in the 490. century
>>44462324
Aside from the fact, that no regiment does this unless there is no other way. You are right.
>>44463790
Las weapons are for the most part colourless.
>>44465087
The majority of Imperial Guard regiments are just based off a specific culture or army from Earth's history.
Why not have a modern day tacticool force?
>>44465151
Every time they've been depicted in a visual medium its been with ruby red beams/shots.
>>44464227
Why should it be shit to live on a Forgeworld? Everyone there prays to the Omnissiah, a Forgeworld is a Shrine world for them, no matter how fleshy they are.
>>44465156
this modern force is called Raptors and Raven Guard
Another question. Who can see the emperor and the golden thrown? Could a civilian ever see it?
Who got the power of the throne (ie, who could technically decide to unplug it)?
>>44465156
True that.
But my point was pointing out the inane "hurr durr todays tactics best foreveaaa"- meme
>>44465204
Todays wars are fought by posthuman warrior monks? I never knew!
>>44465201
Because if you're not a magos, and even then, you're just raw materials. Your shit can get turned into a servitor because some secret researcher you've never heard of on moon needs more labour.
>>44465174
Unless they are written about. Then it's colourless aside from a short flash.
For specialized snipers slugs are still superiour though. Hard to fit a light impulse with poison.
>>44463841
>Things go well until someone gets the bright idea to dissent and you are killed for knowing that person's cousin's sister's roommate
I feel like this would be my biggest problem if I lived in 40k. It would suck to get executed because my 5th cousin's coworker said "Nurgle".
>>44465156
Full Modern/Tacticool doesn't fit aesthetic and is covered by Space Marines, Tau, Mil Temp and to a certain degree by specialist regiments like Gaunts Ghost. That said ,pretty much every regiment can have it's commando guys for precision work (which means suicide missions), but in general the guardsman is there to tarpit the enemy until the tanks can blow him up or just overrun him like a ww1 assault.
>>44465219
No one said that was going to be a thing, you just assumed.
A force of guardsmen who's gimmick is cityfighting tactics and focus on using certain weapons over others as unit flavor is in no way out of place.
>>44465204
You do know Imperial Guardsmen and Space Marines are two completely different things right?
>>44465256
Depends on the forge world.
For example the Lathe ones treat their menials as valuable working force. They even use them to found more Forge Worlds because it works so well.
Why using servitors, when you can have a replicating workforce? That occasionally produces potential Priest candidates.
>>44465264
Aren't there laser sniper weapons that actually carry a small poison bullet with their beam? I think I read somethung about that in 4th ed fluff. But i might just be mixing things up.
>>44465290
You're full of shit mate, there's nothing unique about the Tanith first and only's role as light infantry & patherfinders in the guard, they just happen to be exemplary in their assigned duty.
>>44464538
I'm not seeing any DS9 fans constantly crying about how it's better than babbylon 5.Of course, they don't need to, because the truth is self-evident./.
Seriously, the post I responded to is the perfect example. People are talking about Star Trek, and in jumps the babby 5 fan with the axe to grind. It's a stardestroyer.net level of autistic butthurt to feel the need to constantly bitch about how some other show than your favorite one exists.
>>44465355
No need to be mad my friend. I never said anything about them being unique. I stated that there are in fact specialist regiments (note the use of plural) who are less rutheless like most of the guard.
>>44465331
Servitors are replicating too. Lack of bodies isn't a problem the imperium has. But yeah, the idea is that there's probably a world that does pretty much anything. Sometimes people take that and try to run really counter to strong thematics, but I'm not going to badwrongfun that.
>>44465290
>>What are Stormtroopers
Also the Elysian drop troops are a perfect example of a "regular" Imperial Guard regiment with a tactical theme. You're getting too obsessed with the whole lolgrimdark nonsense that its blinding you to what is actually in the setting.
>>44465331
>Why using servitors, when you can have a replicating workforce?
Servitors operate more consistently and effectively for longer periods of time with less upkeep. Servitors do not require entertainment, erratic repair periods, or policing to prevent rebellion. Servitors are closer to the Omnissiah, therefore conversation is a holy duty.
Baseline humans, while possessing the potential for advancement into the priesthood, are ultimately an inefficient and inconsistent component in the production process. Few on Mars would willingly employ them over augmented assets.
Replication can simply be passed over to the Magos Biologos.
>>44465434
I pointed out tje existence of specialized regiments and mentioned stormtroopers (militarum tempestus). I'm not obsessed wiht anything, I'm just trying to explain, why on a grand scheme modern tacticool guard doesn't that mich sense. At least not for a whole regiment. I guess we have different understandings of 'modern tacticool' anyway.
>>44465210
>Who can see the emperor and the golden thrown? Could a civilian ever see it?
Custodes and a very specific subgroup of Admech only. Pilgrims spend their entire lives in line waiting to simply see the Imperial Palace, and often fight small wars among themselves in attempts to get that far before they starve to death, since the administration of Terra don't bother trying to feed the billions of such visitors who arrive daily.
>>44465236
they aren't fought by people with lasguns either you retard
you mentioned tactics and they use modern ones it doesn't matter they are biologically enhanced you goalposting shitfuck
>>44465344
Needler guns, yeah.
>>44465596
Not all guardsmen are simply retards from a feudal world running into the teeth of the enemies guns while shouting "FOR THE EMPEROR", who only win when the other guys run out of ammo.
The Astra Militarum as they are known now are as are varied in character as the tens of thousands of worlds they are recruited from, with varying levels of tactical ability and preferred battlefield strategy even though the wars they fight are neverending and take place on and against some of the most hellish terrain and foes.
Look at the Catachan Jungle Fighters, they practice subversive jungle warfare with lots of ambushing and tactical retreats
Or the Drop Troopers that were mentioned already-
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Elysian_Drop_
-who engage in magnificent rapid deplotments and behind the lines operations.
Not to forget the Harakoni Warhawks who also make heavy use of grav-chute deployment and high-mobility warfare.
>>44465759
Whoops I buggered up the link.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Elysian_Drop_Troops
>>44461865
Some worlds have (heavily propagandised) TV series, one of the Ciaphas Cain novels briefly mentions a show about a squadron of ace Imperial pilots racking of an unrealistically high number of kills for the glory of the God-Emperor.
>>44461975
>>44461990
>>44462041
Not that guy but you are all so focused on how retarded he got with his estimation of the planets under the Imperium's command that you missed the other--really good--point he was making.
>And many of these [planets] are made up multiple continents and nations. [Each] has its own set of particularities, living conditions, social forms and so on. And then there are the spaceships and stations. So, civilian life is all kinds of ways in the Imperium, depending on where you are, who you are, how competent you are and what you do.
>>44462276
This isn't as hard as you think. Flak armor is about as good as our modern body armor--maybe a bit better depending on the author--and there are already Imperial Guard units that use ballistic weapons.
And there are already units that go full SECURE BURGERTOWN, like the Harakoni and the Elysians, and even, to a degree, most of Cadian units. Too many people just focus on the "drown the enemy in bodies" version of the Guard, like the Valhallans or the Kreigers.
What you are looking for is very easily attainable, just write up some Guard with autoguns with their heavy weapons teams using autocannons, mortars, rocket launchers, and heavy bolters fluffed as heavy stubbers. The basic design of the stubber is even an M2 .50 cal based on a lot of the art. Can't keep a good gun down.
>>44465784
muh space french paratroopers
I love those guys
also, FAMAS lasgun
>>44465922
>and there are already Imperial Guard units that use ballistic weapons.
Would you be able to name any examples of those?
>>44462041
Actually it rules more than a million.
Anyone have the pic from the old guard codex with 40 or so different regiments pictured? Its a good example of the wide variety of war humans get up to.
>>44466332
I have this, dunno if its what you mean
>>44461865
Varies from planet to planet, they range from cave men that gather materials for the sky temples and make stars to your every day earth-like planet l, even cat girls planets and tech advanced planets.
>>44461975
Warhammer 40k in a nutshell
Everything involving the universe just has extra zeroes slapped on to the end of every number.
I wonder if the Imperium knows the exact number of planets under their domain, or if they simply gave up counting after the 864237th planet.
>>44461865
Some places in the Imperium have sick rad tech compared to others, like entire armies kitted out in fukin sick lookin battle suits right out of your japanese animes
>>44466352
yeah that, thanks I couldn't find one big enough
>>44466638
>deodorant is rad tech
>>44466773
It was when GW was cool, nowadays they would bar you from their premises for trying to play it.
>>44462451
>Only Sith deal in absolutes
>This is an absolute statement
Obi-wan confirmed for Sith.
>>44461865
First off, there are plenty of planets constantly rebelling. The Imperium will wreck them when they find them but that's like finding an atom in a haystack. The "settled" areas of the Imperium are so vast, so poorly-cataloged, and often so difficult to reach that suppressing rebellion--or even being aware of it--is often not possible, at least not in any real time-frame. I'd wager there are plenty of planets who've seceded from the Imperium so long ago that they've actually forgotten it, and will be surprised when they get their shit wrecked in a few thousand years. Hell, maybe the Imperium will have misplaced that planet's file by then too, and they'll both just treat each-other as a newly discovered entity and take it from there. Who knows.
My point is that the Imperium is not necessarily a big impact on the daily life of those inside of it. Outside of the Planetary Tithe (which, again, is heavily enforced when possible but the nature of the Imperium makes that job extremely difficult), the Imperium doesn't really care about how its planets are ran.
Imagine a society and time-period from human history. There is a planet in the Imperium that's a carbon copy of that. Not every planet in 40k is a hive city, or a death world. Many planets in 40k aren't even aware of what those are. So is a "good" quality of life possible? Yeah, totally. We might be a 40k planet for all we know--well, if we weren't on Terra.
>>44466837
From a certain point of view its Anon who is the Sith.
>>44467034
But Anon, you're Anon!
>>44461997
But it is though.
>>44462509
Yeah, but IRL, you can't murder your neighbor and flay his brain to summon insane backup from Hell. Remember, most "peasant rebellions" in the Imperium either are instigated by xenos or Chaos, or end up with xenos or Chaos stepping in.
>>44462477
Do you really think literally every single Planetary Governor is a corrupt, incompetent religious maniac?
>>44467024
There was at least one planet in 40k which was convinced it was Terra and its leader was the Emperor.
>>44463969
You have spent your entire life on a ship that literally flies through a cursed realm of nightmares whenever you have to go out of system (which is probably "often"), and you are considered basically the captain's property. It probably sucks.
>>44468272
Nova Terra Interregnum? Or am I confusing things?
>>44465210
>Who can see the Emperor and the Golden Throne?
Members of the Adeptus Custodes, a dedicated sect of the Adeptus Mechanicus, and (once) the head of the original Sisters of Battle.
>Could a civilian ever see it?
If the Custodes felt that, for some reason, the fate of the Imperium rested on some random schmuck seeing it, than yes. Otherwise, tough luck.
>Who has power over the throne?
A sect of the Adeptus Mechanicus who do nothing but keep the Emperor alive and collect various detritus for certain purposes.
>>44468357
The Emperor's shit is what goes into Psyk-Out grenades
>>44462276
>>44462488
Lasguns are superior in pretty much every way to modern arms. But there are a few examples of some awesome rifles in the novels. Flesh and Iron and Battle of the Fang for instance.
>highly modular automatic boltgun
>they have the means to produce, arm and supply every guardsman with it
>weaker than the lasgun
>bigger ammo capacity, higher RoF
>various bullet types
>almost exclusively fight cultists, rebels, Orks and Laer mercs
>most of the regiment are ex gangers that prefer autoguns over lasguns
>>44465596
>you mentioned tactics and they use modern ones
I did realize that Ninjas had a place on the modern battlefield.
>>44469109
which part of Raptors and Raven Guard is ninja like?
>>44468936
Strictly modern tactics IG would be kinda harder actually.
The IG already use smart tactics and combined arms. Remember, for every novel we read where everything goes wrong, there are countless other where they just slaughter everyone. And in 40k, in 99% of cases the enemy is 100% evil and irredeemable, so that means you are free to do with them whatever the fuck you want. Meaning you just bomb them into submission with artillery and aircraft, then steamroll them with tanks supported by infantry. Important objects are stormed with their storm troopers, who only have to take care in rooms where they can't destroy anything, everything else they can melta bomb and frag however much they want.
>>44468936
>bigger ammo capacity, higher RoF
>with solid slugs rather than pure energy
>>44469497
>40th millennium
>not using quad stacked drum magazines on your autorifle with a plasma cooled barrel and an effective firing mechanism that allow it to fire all 96 of it's bullets at 1100 rounds per minuteAs I've said, the lasgun is superior in every way, but you can still fluff a good autogun without breaking too much canon.
>>44468936
That bit
>bigger ammo capacity, higher RoF
sounds like bullshit
Do you know how big bolt rounds are even for human scale boltersm and how many shots a lasgun has?
Pic unrelated
>>44469497
>pure energy
>kawaii kohai desu shanghai
I don't need privacy while serving the Emperor.
I don't need breaks from serving the Emperor.
I need sleep to serve the Emperor.
I need food to serve the Emperor.
>>44467024
actually they only care if you want to rebel against the imperium (which they often do)
>>44465970
If I remember correct there was a [Number]th Rifles in the book Gunheads. They were only mentioned, but considering that there are other regiments that are [Number]th Lasgunners, it stands to reason that they were using actual rifles.
Also the Ousivian Riverine troopers from Blood and Iron (I think that was the title. It was a generic as fuck title, but Raymond Swanland did the cover art.) Many of the Riverine troops used autoguns instead of lasguns, and the entire Battalion had a large supply of autoguns and ammunition for them as reserve munitions.
>>44465151
Visual mediums show them as red or green. And many novels describe "las beams stabbing out." I read that in Gunheads and Ice Guard a few more times than I'd like.
>>44465156
You are thinking of the Harakoni Warhawks and the Elysian drop troops. Seriously, they're basically both various flavors of ODST-lite with SECURE BURGERTOWN thrown in for fun. Except the Harakoni are also all covered in Carapace armor to a man.
>>44465490
The Cadians are portrayed, at least so far as I have seen in novelizations, to take aspects from American and Canadian WW2 tactics, American and Russian Cold War tactics, and many modern American doctrines. They're a bastardized mix of whichever tactics they need to use to fit at the time.
And the wargame codexes have said multiple times to my knowledge that we can look to the Cadians as the closest to a "standard," Imperial Guard troop regiment--just maybe without as much zeal, because Cadia.
