>>44435221
Snoke.
>>44435221
Ribbons...
>>44435249
I was gonna say that.
>>44435221
Admiral Bontipik
General Nefarius
Captain Ima-Bad Gi
>>44435221
Darth Tyranus isn't such a bad name>calling him Dooku
Sheev.
>>44435353
You better watch your tone boy, I'll sheev you good!
>>44435221
Kylo Ren
>>44435221
>mfw his name had to be changed for the portuguese versions because "Dooku" sounds like "Of Anus" in that language
>>44435419
People forget about how bad this name is because of how much worse snoke is
>>44435441
>People forget about how bad this name is because of how much worse TFA as a movie is
ftfy
>>44435221
Joe Petto
>>44435452
The original trilogy needs to be remade because the overall quality is atrocious. Terrible camera quality, terrible choreography, terrible dialogue, terrible effects.
>>44435221
>>44435249
>>44435353
>>44435419
Literally every villian name in star wars except for vader
>>44435474
oh wow
>>44435646
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kpHK4YIwY4
Literally worse than fanmade videos.
>>44435436
I'm brazilian so I know what you are saying but the EFL peeps here wont understand the 'of ass' thing.
Dooku in portuguese is "of/from the ass" in Portugal, and "of/from the asshole" in brazilian. So "Count Dooku" would translate sounding exactly as "Count of the anus" or "count of the asshole".
Sifo Dias, in brazilian portuguese, translates roughly to "The one that gets/got fucked."
Jedi Master Sifo Dias translate in something that sounds exactly as "The Jedi master that got fucked"
There are countless other examples along the star wars saga that strongly imply there is a brazilian guy working with names in the creative writing deparment having a blast. Jakku for example, sounds exactly as the brazilian slang "Jacu" which is used both to designate an ugly woman with a big ass or just the average cheap looking whore. (in some palces, specifically black whores)
>>44435249
Snoke is an awesome name, though. It's like Smoke, but with an n.
>>44435628
Does Revan count as a villain? I mean, you play as Darth Revan, but it's still a Darth.
>>44435419
I don't mind Kylo Ren. It sounds like a workable space name on the level of Leia and Obi-wan and Han Solo.
>>44435452
>I hate the most popular movie in the world right now, am I cool?
>>44435705
Anon, its been like 40 years since that movie.
>>44435705
i like it. it reminds you of what it was and where it came from. No point in remaking it and selling the same movie again risking backlash from the generation that grew up with it
they shouldn't have even made TFA because it is way too close to the first 6. They should've gone further into time to like.. the Yuzhan Vong or something but the movie industry is the biggest shill on earth so they had to keep it close to original characters to keep pop culture normies coming back.
>>44435705
Actually, that fighting is a lot better than I remember, more akin to actual fencing than the dance routines of the prequels.
Also,
>dat knowing glance
>dat ultimate sacrifice
>>44435795
>dat cringeworthy dialogue
When I left I was but tha learnah, but now I am tha mastah!
ONLY A MASTER OF EVIL, DARTH!!!
>>44435763
>popularity is an objective measure of quality and everything the unwashed masses have ever liked has been a timeless masterpiece
>>44435755
hahah glorious
>>44435790
Hey it was their last chance to bring back Han, Luke and Leia.
Hamill is old and turned into a maniac clown, Ford is tired, old and just really doesn't wanna do shit anymore, Fisher became literally a dwarf, round and tiny (I swear when she showed up in TFA I thought I was watching a trailer for The Hobbit)
>>44435755
Yeah I get you. The thought of some dude just fucking around with the names though? Fricking hilarious
>>44435221
Constable Nofuun Allohwed
>>44435815
star wars has always had cringey one liners and soppy romance. Its part of the package.
You have to accept the cheese if you want to watch star wars. If you dont like it, dont watch it.
>>44435795
Have you ever seen fencing?
Honestly, Errol Flynn does better swordfighting than the Orig Trig. Fighting with toy swords in my back yard was more dramatic than that, and Obi-Wan's footwork is atrocious.
>>44435835
Popularity on it's own, no, but critical reception is a decent metric, and even then hating the thing that's popular is a good way to show you're an edgy teen.
>>44435790
Yuuzhan Vong war takes place like 5 years before TFA pre-retcon.
>>44435876
Then don't lambast the prequels when the original trilogy is just as shitty, but with even lower production values. That was the entire point.
>>44435853
that's exactly what I don't want.
I wan't a bigger perspective on the universe. I want to see a different timeline or a parallel story (which is kind of what they're doing with the rogue squadron thing) but I wished it was unrelated. Somewhere much farther off in time (Yuzhan Vong invasion of curoscant) or much father in the past (The formation of the jedi order)
what i didn't want: recasts, continuation of the same story they've been beating into us for all these years, the same narrow view
>>44435815
Alright, you're in the middle of a confrontation with your best friend who turned evil and destroyed everything you ever cared about in the process, turning you into a wanted fugitive and subjecting the galaxy to a vile totalitarian regime.
This is your first time meeting in decades, and you realize that even more important than your heavy past, the current situation has thrown a heap of concerns your way, with the fate of the galaxy dependent on your every word and action.
Your greatest enemy and once-friend now stands before you, weapon drawn and his intentions clear, with him prepared to kill you and to destroy the last chance the rebels have of even slighting the empire.
In James Earl Jone's voice, he says "The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner. Now, I am the master."
You've got one second to give him a response.
>>44436002
Legacy era sucks.
Stray too far from the original story that was what captured people and what the audience fell in love with and you just turn into Digimon. Do you even know any Digimon characters besides the first two seasons? Meanwhile, we all know Ash and Pikachu.
>>44436020
FORCE LIGHTNING, BITCH!
>>44436020
Why do you have to give him a response? Just attack.
Yoda would definitely have said something cooler, like "Lost, you are."
>>44435892
my bad. but still would make for a more dramatic story than "I HATE BEING A STORMTROOPERRR"
"IM WAITING FOR MY PARENTS."
"HAN SOLO IS BAAACKKK!!!! oh he's dead"
>>44436031
i also don't care to watch pokemon cause it's the same shit over and over and the same formula
>>44436072
If you don't like watching the same stuff you should watch something different.
Instead of changing Star Wars, stop watching Star Wars. Dr. Who is on its how manyth doctor?
Star Trek changes crews every new show and that's why some of them tank so hard.
>>44436031
Digimon season 3 suffered far more from the translation to english than anything else; the writing, plot and characters were far better than the first two seasons.
(That said everything beyond season 3 is fucking horrible)
>>44435815
it's fine. It's melodrama.
>>44436031
season 3 of digimon is widely considered amazing though, despite an extreme change in setting, atmosphere and no recurring characters (yes ryo, no he does not count)
or maybe we just grew up and needed the series to do the same, still, it delivered magnificently
>>44436123
My point is, the new movie appealed to the normies and when you have the most successful, most established scifi setting and story with so many possibilities along its expansive and still growing timeline why would you make a movie for people who -know of- han solo rather than a movie for the people who know of the whole timeline??? Maybe draw more people in with some new villians all together, expand the merchandising line, new (brand new to normies) trilogy, new everything?
>>44436137
Season 4 was still pretty good, as long as you remember the intended audience.
It even had a moment of an extreme crisis of faith, with a character rejecting the Digital World after losing a battle against a seemingly invincible enemy. It's rare to see anything like that in a show intended for elementary school children.
While it didn't have a great cast of characters and a number of other big weaknesses, it's still watchable, and it has a really catchy OP.
https://youtu.be/yku9_IlDUkY
>>44436182
>it's fine when the original trilogy does it but it's not when the prequel does it
>>44436210
Because you are vastly underestimating the amount of people who know the whole trilogy and this is still a capitalist venture that needs to reach a target audience greater than the niche the happens to be obsessed with it
>>44436210
It's because nerdy shit is normalfag stuff now. You don't have jocks stuffing nerds in lockers for watching Star Wars anymore.
>>44435221
>not referring to him as Darth Tyrannus
>>44436273
>the whole trilogy
Star Wars is a heptology now.
>>44436233
Still fails to compare to the very premise of season 3 being to murder other digimon and absorb them to get stronger.
Every season of digimon up till then had at least one rejection arc, it was just formulaic by that point.
(Also why are you posting the dub, do you even bolero?)
>>44435705
Out of lore, it was hard as fuck to animate the lightsabers in the first movie. In lore, Anakin is more machine than man which leaves him more towards brute force and Obi Wan is old as fuck.
>>44436020
"Oh shit, that's what your voice changed to when I burned your balls off?"
>>44435221
Sheev
I missed the theatrical prequel duels in episode VII
Here's hoping that we see something more fanciful in VIII after everyone gets training.
>>44435763
>Snoke is an awesome name, though. It's like Smoke, but with an n.
It's like Snot + Smoke.
>>44436271
no one mentioned the prequels, bantha poodoo. And the original trilogy had better deliveries and scripts.
>>44436444
>hating the prequels
Hello reddit
>>44435928
>SJWars.
>Good.
Kill yourself.
>>44435763
There's plenty to hate about the new films though.
They literally threw one of the more hyped up characters into the garbage without them doing anything. Riveting character development eh chap?
Actually that's a good meme in waiting, just replace Penn Jilette with Han Solo and replace the animu tomato girl with Phasma.
>>44436587
>They literally threw one of the more hyped up characters into the garbage without them doing anything
Wow I avoided all Star Wars discussion to prevent spoilers, and I was auto-hyped when the awesome chrome Storm Trooper Captain Phasma was some posh lady.
>tfw never got to see her face
>tfw she gets taken hostage and punked
>tfw thrown in trash compactor by nigger janitor
>>44436617
My point was I did not know Phasma was hyped. Why would people get hyped over her? Was she just revealed in an image and people were like "holy shit a chrome stormtrooper"?
TRAITOR!!! trooper was also badass.
>>44436464
well, reddit hates it, so I must love it. Don't want to be associated that site. Stop being such an apologist. They were hideous, poorly directed mediocrities.
>>44436617
It was perfect for the movie though.
Take all the hype and put it in the trash.
>>44435763
>>44435884
One day you idiots will accept that JJ Abrams took a huge shit on your sci fi series.
At least the Neo-Trekkies weren't so stuck up their own asshole about the writing when it happen to neo-Trek.
>>44436628
They had magazine spread and stuff going off about "introducing captain phasma!" and made a big deal because she had a vagina.
Welcome to SJWars.
>>44436665
SO PROGRESSIVEI hope she made a sandwich while she was down in that trash chute
Also was the original trilogy not progressive as fuck? Lea kicked ass pretty much everywhere.
>>44436631
Prequel hate is 5 years ago. Get with the vulgar auteurism appraisal of the prequels.
TFA is lifeless.
>>44436665
I read she was originally gonna be a male but people whined about lack of females on the cast.
A male Phasma would have been cool too. It would also have given the reprimanding of Finn for taking off his helmet more weight.
>>44436683
They did dub over the one female pilot in Jedi. But she was there.
>>44436020
>"How does it feel Ani..."
>"To be a bitccch."
>>44435884
>you can only be considered mature if you like what everyone else likes
>>44436710
Thankfully we got Rey Hero of the Rebellion.
She can talk wookie and droid! Flies the Falcon with the best of them! Untrained Jedi Master! Beats Kylo the first time she picks up a saber!
Why even bother making another movie if she already beat the big bad guy. At least Vader won his lightsaber fights.
>>44436628
>Why would people get hyped over her?
Because she was basically marketed as filling Boba Fett's role of badass with the special armor, and everyone though she'd be awesome because Boba Fett was awesome, and Jango was surprisingly not bad.
>>44436746
I think maturity is off the table as soon as one engages in a Star Wars debate.
>>44436773
>Beats Kylo the first time she picks up a saber!
To be fair, the guy was seriously wounded at the time.
>>44436695
I don't really imagine looking back at The Phantom Menace and think it was underrated. I thought the other two were bad, but I could at least imagine someone with a working brain enjoying them
>>44436631
>>44436695
>>44436464
>>44436444
>>44436271
>>44436182
>>44436810
The prequels expanded the universe with each installment ten times what The Force Awakens did and actually did something different with each movie for plot.
For a setting and universe they had more lore building than the original trilogy.
It's like complaining that 40k is shit at face value. Of course it is. We're here for the lore and setting and crazy shit. Doesn't matter if GW is shit at handling the property.
The Force Awakens did nothing, added nothing, improved nothing, and at the cost of the entirety of the EU.
>>44436803
Hardly a flesh wound.
Slightly unrelated, but one of the best villain names I've ever heard is Metal Face
I have literally never seen such a 180 on the, for lack of a better phrase, seriousness surrounding a character, as when this guy got his first name.
Seriously. One day he was just Dark McBadguy that nobody really cared about. He made that funny sound when he attacked Mace Windu and he gave some hammy dialogue, but otherwise it was like whatever.
Then he was Sheev. And somehow, it just *completed* his character.
>>44436863
Sheev sleeves
>>44436863
>>44436878
Can't sleeve the sheev.
>>44436863
>>44436878
When he puts his lightsaber away does he put it in a Sheev Sheath?
>>44436904
It's in his sleeve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC9AjN5l4Gs
>>44436863
can't peeve the sheev
>>44436856
Original name for him wasBlack Face
That got changed faster than breast sliders in the sequel.
>>44435221
This example is especially tragic, because Count Doodoo actually has a Sith that's REALLY FUCKING AWESOME.
Darth Tyranus.
Seriously, why didn't he use that? Soo much cooler than Count Dooku.
>>44436587
>Actually that's a good meme in waiting, just replace Penn Jilette with Han Solo and replace the animu tomato girl with Phasma.
You're two weeks late for the party anon
>>44436657
>One day you idiots will accept that JJ Abrams took a huge shit on your sci fi series.
That day was the day JJ Abrams was announced as the director of Episode VII.
>>44436973
No one made it yet though.
>>44436835
I get the joke, but seriously, he stops the fight with Finn two or three times to pound his chest because he's bleeding out. I'm surprised he could fight as well as he did.
>>44436938
Oh, so it's a Sheev sleeve sheath?
>>44436972
OH HI JEDI COUNCIL MY NAME IS DARTH TYRANNUS, NO RELATION
>>44436827
>Roger Ebert said this on my birthday
>>44436997
>No one made it yet though.
Yeah they did. It has Chewie instead of Penn. I've seen it at least 3-4 times this week.
>>44436978
and yet people are defending it to the death despite it having more plotholes than a fucking school play
Star Wars died as soon as Disney bought it.
Disney did not buy it to produce new things.
They bought it to sell you back what you were already nostalgic for.
By definition it is no longer living.
>>44437004
He got hit by Chewie's bowcaster didn't he? The blaster that blows up walls, tossing multiple stormtroopers into the air like a mortar round, and flinging stormtroopers who take a direct hit so hard they somersault backwards multiple times.
>>44437056
I'm glad the EU died with it.
>>44436997
I got one with chewbacca
>>44437056
>They bought it to sell you back what you were already nostalgic for.
>entire discussion started from a comparison of how the nostalgic fight scenes were shitty compared to the new ones
>>44437004
>Chest.
He got hit in the kidney and he's slightly bleeding from it. It hardly effects him as he shows beating the shit out of a trained soldier.
I guess maybe the smell of blood awakened the force through Reys vagina or something in order to crush him. Seeing as how she's some untrained podunk desert bunny.
>>44436972
It is cooler, but if you want to distance yourself away from being a Jedi, you should probably not use your title that belongs to an order dedicated to wiping out said Jedi. It's just political.
>>44437062
Yes. Presumably, his robes are some sort of special nano-weave composite that costs a ton of money that the first order was willing to spend on their Vader 2.0 posterboy.
>>44437062
Why the fuck didn't chewie and the other two continue lighting the asshole up like a fucking christmas tree, seriously.
That whole fucking scene made zero sense outside of the paper it was written on.
>>44437090
Thanks, you're a lovely human bean.
Phasma should have never lowered the shields. You'd think a Captain would be loyal enough to die for their empire.
Actually now that I think of it, all the Imperial officers ever shown on screen have been real cowards.
>>44437105
>It hardly effects him as he shows beating the shit out of a trained soldier.
Finn is shit. He has ZERO, read ZERO deployments before his desertion, and a riot guy thought he was so shit that he ditched his shield just to go whoop ass on the traitor with a stun stick.
Hey guys
Guess whatI really liked TFA.
>>44437119
I knew something was up as soon as Solo decided to walk across the bridge hanging over the gaping maw to nowhere.
Like, you couldn't talk on the edge, or shout at each other? As soon as that scene ended I was like they probably only had him walk out there just so he could fall.
>>44437174
>>44437119
Yeah they had the idiot cornered on that narrowass bridge. He couldn't have avoided blaster fire if his life depended on it. Which he didn't. But they only shot him once because we need him for the shittiest lightsaber duel yet.
>>44437149
>Trained soldier vs untrained hobo.
>Untrained hobo is better.
Right on buds. Maybe Rey is just secretly a middle-eastern freedom fighter.
>>44437167
>Thinking we're hating on it JUST because it's popular
Dude there were so many things wrong with the movie.
I enjoyed watching it AND wanted to punch the writer in the face
>>44437167
You might as well have watched a New Hope again.
>>44437167
It felt like a fan film.
Which is fine and all, but it was really a multi-million dollar project.
>>44435249
It really doesn't help when youboth look like and are voice-acted by Gollum
>>44435221
Fin
>>44435705
>Comparing modern special effects to original trilogy fights restricted by practicality
Phantom Menace / Episode 1 had the best lightsaber battle yet
Why is nobody talking about that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHqdESArkqU
>>44437272yfw Snoke undoes the thing holding back his ears, showing he's from the same species as Yoda because Disney doesn't want to do anything that isn't completely safe
>>44437296
>because Disney doesn't want to do anything that isn't completely saf
THIS
THIS is why TFA sucked ass and why Star Wars is dead.
>>44437296
It would make senseif he's a Yoda-race why he wants to holoproject himself eighty feet high so his underlings have to look up to him. Napoleon complex in full effect.
>>44437295
Return of the Jedi had the best lightsaber battle. Lightsaber duels aren't about the fighting themselves as much as the motivations of the characters and their feelings. TPM had three guys fighting because we were told they were enemies.
>>44437326
I suppose? Except the Emperor did the same thing with Vader. He was a giant hologram in Empire, but he was human. Shorter, but I think it's just a power thing that doesn't necessarily have to do with your height.
>>44437212
We already see Rey is better at melee than Finn. Finn tries to rush to her rescue then is surprised when she fights off two adult male aliens who already had her in a hold from behind, then he proceeds to RUN AWAY FROM HER only to be knocked on his ass.
>>44437295
> best lightsaber battle
> Almost no tension, no emotion between the characters
> Literally just assholes swinging and spinning like it's a breakdancing competition
The only good part about the big Darth Maul fight at the end is the bit where he's forced to seethe angrily on one side of the force field as Obi-wan meditates on the other. Only then is there some actual tension, some actual sense of presence to the characters. Up until that point it's literally just rehearsed gymnastics, and they aren't even close to hitting each other physically, let alone emotionally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw
>>44437398
Way better than the obi wan vs vader fight.
>>44437376
The Emperor was just a big floating head. He didn't holoprojecthis whole fucking chair like Snoke did. Plus, Snoke had to actually lean way the fuck over forwards on his chair. That's really not good for your back, old alien-man. It also looks retarded.
>>44437295
>Completely devoid of any emotional context
>Not even a good fight on its own merits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw
>>44437417
When Obi-Wan dies, it's not supposed to be a showcase of duelling prowess. It's a meaningful conversation and a desperate gamble that happens to take the form of laser swords.
>>44437390
That doesn't really show anything about combat abilities and is more about Finn being a pussy.
>>44436020
>"So, it's 'Master Human Disaster' now? I like it. Rhymes."
>"All that and you still just a bitch."
>"Hey, you're always going to be Little Fannykin to me."
>>44437420
It could be, if his physiology works the same as humans. A big head would be even more intimidated than his body because of how it would have to loom over you, all of your attention of his facial features.
Goodbane Evilskull
>>44437338
One of which was gutted, the other cut and half and down a pit the survivor nearly died in, with a double-sided saber taking on 1v2.
>The finale made the duel awesome
RoTJ's they clash sticks a few times as per a fencing practice and exchange some words.
>>44437398
>It's too fancy
Exactly, it was just fancy enough
Every other fight was either overproduced (Episode 2-3 with a million fucking jedi or hammy acting during the duel)
or reserved as fuck fencing (original trilogy)
Battle Royal was the Duel of Fates from Episode 1.
>>44437398
>>44437338
>>44437438
Also
>No emotion
>Qui-gon dies
>Obi-Wan gets real
>>44437441
>It's a meaningful conversation and a desperate gamble that happens to take the form of laser swords.
Not it's not. It's something Lucas though would look neat. Any Flash Gordon/Buck Rogers ripoff needs to have sword duelling.
>>44437441
Excuses for shitty, oudated choreography. No movie from 30+ years ago has comparable production value to modern movies, just like no cell phone or computer from 30 years ago can compare.
>>44437453
>MUH TRAINED SOLDIER
>SO STRONK
>Finn is a pussy
>>44437441
And it's an ugly as sin fight, whereas Darth Maul's I am just here to kill you fight was entertaining on it's own merits.
>>44437498
He's a proven coward through his actions.
Yes, the movie is bad. What do you want.
>>44437041
Good point, though I see no reason why Lucas couldn't have gone for a better name "Count Tyranus" perhaps.
>>44437481
It's still more poignant than anything in TFA.
>>44437477
Why are we supposed to care about Qui-gon? He doesn't even have a character. There are no stakes in the Darth Maul fight.
>>44437477
If you think the lightsaber duals are about choreography, then you missed the whole point.
>>Obi-Wan vs Vader
An old man who is looking to buy time for his young friend and apprentice to escape. He can also help him much more in death.
>>Luke vs Vader
Vader wants to bring his son to the Dark Side. He can kill him at any point during the dual, but is surprised when Luke actually brings his game. Luke, after being bested by a superior combatant, would rather die than surrender to evil.
>>Luke vs Vader 2.0
Luke is much more powerful and can match, and defeat, his father. But he doesn't want to kill him, he wants to save him. Only when Vader threatens the only family Luke has left does he explode and nearly fall into the same trap his father did. When asked to turn, he throws down his weapon and says 'no'. The father finds that he would sacrifice his own life for that of his son's.
I get you might like the prequals, but you can't compare their duals. They're not even in the same league.
>>44437477
>Obi-Wan gets real
>"NOOO!"
>Gets real mad, looks ready to kick his ass
>Goes right back to perfectly choreographed fighting no different than what they did before
No you tasteless fucking plebeian, THIS is an example of an emotional fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A&feature=youtu.be&t=196
>>44435221
Hatefist hellhammer
>>44435353
Cosinga.
>>44437295
>when Maul nearly loses balance at 0:56
topkek, sith my ass
>>44437583
>If you think the lightsaber duals are about choreography, then you missed the whole point.
I think you missed the point. You're pressing a different definition of what the hell I'm saying.
The best, clean, straightforward "what does a crazy lightsaber battle between people with force powers look like" is Duel of the Fates. No hammy acting, no wins by ace up the sleeve, no interference.
It specifically required Jedi/Sith to happen.
RotJ is "what does a finale duel with emotional ties look like".
Zero Jedi/Sith required for it.
>>44437604
Nothing in SW is emotinally poignant.
>>44437605
Punch Dogkitten!
>>44435884
>but critical reception is a decent metric
You do know that reviews were favorable for phantom menace when it was released, too, right?
>>44437604
III's fight is way better than I, and great for its time, but it's still not as good as III or VII.
>that lame groan when Vader gets his arm chopped off
>>44437661
So you just want to be a retard in the theatre clapping at all the flashing lightsabers. Fuck emotional depth or characterization, let's just see flashy colours. You're retarded. Stop arguing this point.
>>44437727
You realize that's the entire reason Lucas made lightsabers to begin with right. They were originally gonna be regular swords
>>44437727
>Fuck emotional depth or characterization, let's just see flashy colours
The watchphrase of SW. Emotional depth is a Star Trek thing.
>>44437727
If you liked The Force Awakens then you're a retard by your own words
>>44437086
My only regret is that it couldn't die twice
>>44437318
They're cranking out so many star wars movies that I imagine at least some of them will be different. I mean look at the marvel ones. Ant man was a fucking heist movie. The "main sequels" wont break the mold, but I wouldn't really say it's completely off the table. Then again the only star wars things I really enjoyed were the first three, and some video games but I don't necessarily give that much of a fuck about any of them (aside from maybe KOTOR 2)
>>44437696
>TFA had good saber fights.
You should consider suicide honestly.
>>44437583
Lets say those fights had stunning choreography, everything ultimately played out the same but they were great as action sequences as well, would that detract from the scenes themselves?
None of the movies so far have hit that balance of plot tension and entertaining fighting, which is a shame, because ideally then everyone would be happy.
>>44437779
You sound like a real fan.
>>44437771
I didn't. I could have watched a New Hope again and seen the same movie but with different actors.
>>44437770
Wars and Trek are emotional for different reasons.
>>44437809
>Star Wars is emotional
Nah.
>>44437806
He liked KOTOR 2. You can just ignore everything he says.
>>44437696
>>that lame groan when Vader gets his arm chopped off
Well it wasn't like flesh was severed.
>>44436773
>She can talk wookie and droid!
She works with droids all the time on Jakku. I don't specifically recall her talking to Chewie but she does hang out in an alien settlement. It's not outside the realm of possibility that she's crossed paths with a Wookie or two.
>Flies the Falcon with the best of them!
Luke "T-16" Skywalker flies an X-Wing with the best of them too. They're both strong Force users, which is well established in the setting as helping to make people excellent pilots.
>Untrained Jedi Master! Beats Kylo the first time she picks up a saber!
The whole fucking plot with Kylo is that he's weak and wants to use the Dark Side as a way to gain more power. Rey also uses her lightsaber in much the same way as she uses her fighting stick on Jakku, a weapon that she has had a great deal of experience fighting with. She's also, as mentioned before, a Force user, and quite likely more powerful than Kylo, who was also injured.
>>44437828
I've never played Kotor 2, but I've heard its good with the content restoration mod
>>44437696
>III's fight is . . . still not as good as III
So help me fucking god you disgusting millennial, if you're trying to refer to stupid 45 minute long fight on a fucking lava planet by Anakin and Obi Wan in Episode III as being better than Luke vs Vader in RoTJ, I am going to fucking lose another tiny piece of my soul to the cruel reality that is people like you sharing my oxygen.
>>44437856
Luke was already an established pilot. Biggs said he was great and Luke even boasted about his skills.
>>44437877
KOTOR 2 is great, even better with the restoration mod. Kreia is best character.Visas and Handmaiden tied for waifu.
>>44436587
I don't even know what the fuck was up with her.
She's some sort of super stormtrooper with a cape and special armor, and literally all she did could've been done by some chick in an officer's uniform.
This is worse than fucking Boba Fett, at least Boba Fett looked cool.
>>44437174
Really? It took you that long to call solo dying? It was obvious as soon as he became rey's obi-wan. And probable as soon as harrison agreed to come back, what with his reluctance and all.
>>44437567
Pay attention. Qui Gon is a compassionate individual who throws the Jedi code out of the window to focus on the living force.
Oh wait, you're too busy watching Plinkett reviews to form your own opinion on the movies
>>44437779
>They're cranking out so many star wars movies that I imagine at least some of them will be different.
Kind of.
Look at the actual content, like the craft.
In EU the X-Wing was impartially replaced with the E-Wing which was completely different and plagued with it's own new problems and considerations.
In Disney the X-Wing got a minor facial as the T-70, then it's already canon it got a minor facial again as the T-85. At no point is it unfamiliar. Same with the Tie-Fighters, etc just got a paintjob.
>>44437809
>I didn't. I could have watched a New Hope again and seen the same movie but with different actors.
You're alright. Regardless I, the Duel of the Fates fan agree with
>>44437803
and
>>44437754
where I want to see battles that couldn't take place with normal dudes with normal swords. They never did quite hit that balance of good writing AND choreography for any one duel.
>>44437856
> the Dark Side as a way to gain more power
He literally can't even build a working lightsaber and has no teacher because he ran away to join the Snoo's Darkside Circus. He's one of the only force users to just plain get shot despite having his lightsaber ready at the time. His own Sith master openly indirectly comments that he as a Sith is incompetent and can't be trusted to do anything
>>44437904
>cannot acquire Visas and Handmaiden for a female character without using mods to hack it in there imperfectly
I want my lesbian power trio, dammit.
>>44437856
See, in the original movies we had C3-PO to talk to R2 and Han to talk to chewie. She makes characters redundant while being a special snowflake mary sue.
Luke flies pretty bad actually. Wedge has to save him at Yavin.
She has never used the force before and thinks it's a myth. Kylo is a trained force user. She beats him easily. That's pretty pathetic and makes Kylo look like a terrible character. Why bother watching the next movie if he already got his ass beat.
>>44437795
Are you implying TFA's fight is worse than New Hope's retarded stick swings?
>>44437567
Qui-gon was one of the few grey jedi in the main series, if you actually watched the movie he's an ACTUAL rebel with a cause within the Jedi order, unlike all the whiny shits who think they're rebelling and become Sith.
Hands down the best Jedi.
>>44437918
>Qui Gon is a compassionate individual who throws the Jedi code out of the window to focus on the living force
The problem with this is that this isn't shown to you by characterization. It's told to you.
>>44437904
>They made the Handmaiden and the female exile canon
But... why?
>>44437856
Luke flew as a hobby and had the force when he became an ace.
Rey intimately knew more about the fucking Falcon than fucking Han Solo.
Don't fucking defend that bullshit.
That being said, I loved the shit out of the movie, and the people trying to defend the prequels in comparisons are either retarded, or pretending to be.
>>44437960
Yup because New Hope had actual stakes while TFA was just mary sue bullshit.
>>44437211
I guess he could have force-stopped any extra bolts... but why didn't he do that in the foirst place? or force-freeze rey during the ending duel?
>>44437296
I cannot imagine anything they could do that would piss me off more.
>>44437899
He's retarded. Breath, let him mouth breath.
>>44437922
Then let's agree to disagree. Your views on duals are incredibly flawed, but the new movie was completely unnecessary.
>>44437929
I'm not sure how the story was envisioned initially, so I can't comment. You could always go with Mira, but....she's Mira.
>>44437981
I dunno? Handmaiden is pretty crucial to the plot. Kreia says "I killed the Exile" and a Handmaiden just appears to take her to Telos. That's about it.
>>44437960
When did he say this? When was this implied ever?
A shitty, unnecessary movie is allowed to have elements better than what it's shamelessly cribbing.
TFA had a better saber fight than a new hope.
TFA had a shitty saber fight.
See how those two things aren't mutually exclusive?
>>44437973
>if you actually watched the movie he's an ACTUAL rebel with a cause within the Jedi order
You do realize someone can watch a movie but hold a different opinion than you, right? I've seen the movies, and I still think Qui-gon might as well be faceless.
>>44437899
Return's fight is better than New Hope.
Which is to be expected since it's much newer.
>>44437979
Obi-Wan told Qui Gon "why are we wasting time with these lesser lifeforms" And similarly why does he waste time with Anakin.
And Qui Gon's behavior/action shows how he will stop to help others out, while Obi-Wan blindly follows Jedi Council dogma.
>>44437990
>I guess he could have force-stopped any extra bolts... but why didn't he do that in the foirst place? or force-freeze rey during the ending duel?
Nope he didn't even use the force in the duel after that, and fans explain that with his injury and emotional state.
>>44437981
>>They made the Handmaiden and the female exile canon
What? I know the canon KotOR 2 PC is Meetra Surik and dies like a bitch, but what's this about the Handmaiden?
>>44437997
>Your views on duals are incredibly flawed,
We want different things out of them. I don't disagree when considering what you're after in a duel. For producing an educational video about force user duels, Duel of the Fates was it.
>>44437463
did nothing wrong, is a cool guy that doesn't afraid of anything
>>44437998
>>44437987
>Yup
New Hope is dated as fuck. Anyone who defends it is a retard with nostalgia goggles.
>>44437922
>He literally can't even build a working lightsaber and has no teacher because he ran away to join the Snoo's Darkside Circus. He's one of the only force users to just plain get shot despite having his lightsaber ready at the time. His own Sith master openly indirectly comments that he as a Sith is incompetent and can't be trusted to do anything
Exactly, he's a weakling. He sees the Dark Side as an easy way to gain more power.
>She has never used the force before and thinks it's a myth.
She literally used the Force directly right before that fight to mind trick James Bond. Kylo says that she's testing out her new powers as she progresses through the base. Besides, the fight itself uses virtually no direct force powers; Force users just have better reflexes and speed when fighting, so she can get that subconsciously, just like Luke and Anakin were for years before being trained.
>Kylo is a trained force user. She beats him easily.
Again, the whole theme with Kylo is that he's weak and sees the Dark Side as a quick trip to more power. Besides, the only one who trained him is a guy who got barely any training himself (and none of it on lightsabers), since I doubt Lord Snookems is training Kylo much.
>Rey intimately knew more about the fucking Falcon than fucking Han Solo.
Force user. Seriously just about any bullshit in SW can be hand-waved aside with Force User. At any rate, she had a career poking around starships. I can live with her being a good pilot.
>>44437770
Star Trek is supposed to make you think about the human condition, about how powerless the characters sometimes are in spite of their professional training, experience, and crazy tech, and how their humanity can both hold them back and propel them forwards.
Star Wars is supposed to make you feel for the characters because they are relatable, almost ordinary characters who get put in extraordinary situations. In this regard, TFA succeeds where the prequels flopped, because the two main characters are pretty relatable.
>>44438046
THE ACTOR HIMSELF admitted to disliking his performance in that fight scene of Obi-Wan vs. Vader and was just going through the motions.
But here we have idiots defending it because >muh original trilogy
>>44435221
Jar-Jar Binks
>>44438046
Still has higher stakes than TFA.
Battle of Yavin is still more impressive than STAR KILLER BASE exdee.
Still has a more impressive villain than Emo Ren.
>>44438060
MaRey Sue is not relateable.
>>44435795
That was the first lightsabre duel we ever saw, and we all need to remember that it was between an old man and a dude walking around in an iron lung. If the fight seems tired and weak, it's because the combatants were.
Phasma.
And while we're on the topic of TFA
It was shit but I loved it.
Shit plot, visually pleasing, shittiest actors to have ever existed, Harrison Ford still got it, literally the same shit plot as 4-6, TRAITOR hater was awesome, phasma was shit, po or bo or whatever the fuck was shit, leia was shit, BB8 BEST ACTOR 2015, when the megadeath blaster star or whatever the fuck the thing is called blew up the planets I came, rey independent strong woman just breeze walking everything like you underestimate my power man 2.0, finn is a bitch and somehow a nice bloke despite being a child soldier space Nazi, kylo ren is fucking weird looking, I'd fuck him though, he's also a badass and tanks a shot from a fucking bowcaster, did i mention rey was shit and so were most of the "actors"
Also Luke shitting his mystic pants at the end, WHAT the fuck.
All in all horrendous across the board but with enough good elements to make it enjoyable.
10/10 fucking awful, fuck you jj abrams, good movie, fuck your mother though
>>44438046
TFA had a non-Force sensitive hit a Force sensitive person with a lightsaber in a battle that didn't mean anything. ANH is about Obi-Wan buying time for everyone else to escape, not doing flashy shit moves.
>>44438046
New Hope has dated elements, but it's still very, very good and absolutely holds up.
>>44438061
He's a theatre actor, he hated Star Wars.
Same with the dude who played Wedge, they asked him to come back for TFA and he told Abrams and Disney to fuck themselves.
>>44438061
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority
>>44438059
>Exactly, he's a weakling. He sees the Dark Side as an easy way to gain more power.
Kylo Ren going Sith when he did was the equivalent of premature ejaculation.
Literally all of those problems would have been solved if he stayed in training under motherfucking Luke Skywalker himself.
Sith become Sith after they're disillusioned with the restraints Jedi impose. Kylo Ren is just an idiot.
>>44438104
>absolutely holds up.
New Hope, along with all of the OT, is crushed by the weight of its own hype.
>>44438084
>muh stakes
Why do you even keep talking about this? Nobody is talking about "stakes" or whatever the fuck you're blubbering about you overweight sack of shit. The only thing being said is New Hope has low production value, BECAUSE IT'S SO FUCKING OLD. ALL THE MOVIES FROM THAT ERA ARE SHIT NOWADAYS, EVEN THE GOOD ONES.
Maybe you just don't notice it because you're so fucking white and that 60's Ronald Reagan dialect is just your natural mode.
>>44438099
ALSO THE FUCKING TWO PIECE MAP THAT HAD THE REBELS STUMPED HOLY SHIT KILL ME
>>44438124
What a silly, toothless statement. If a movie is good, it is good regardless of hype or not.
>>44438127
Lots of anger and projection there friend.
Maybe you should go watch SJWars again so your vagina doesn't hurt so badly?
>>44438108
It's not a fallacy when people are going "hurr the acting was so great such emotion look dat original trilogy" and the actor admits to going "lol yeah I wasn't really trying it was a pretty shit performance I could have done better".
You literally have no argument in defense other than your own shitty subjective taste.
>>44438164
>It just a parrot and has no idea about the background of the actor.
Literally underage.
>>44438160
>blabbers on and on about stupid shit that nobody else is talking about
>ends with pathetic >>>tumblr ad hominem
Pathetic. Just like the original trilogy's production value.
>>44438136
THAT FUCKING MAP
IT WAS LITERALLY JUST A SMALLER CHUNK OF THE GALACTIC MAP
NO ENCRYPTION
NO NOTHING
THE FUCKING IMPERIALS KNEW THE GENERAL SEGMENT SKYWALKER WAS IN BECAUSE OF THE HOLE IN THE MAP
THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY INHABITABLE WORLDS
AND IT HAD A FUCKING DOTTED LINE OUT OF AN INDIANA JONES FLICK
AND THERE WAS NO REASON OR EXPLANATION FOR SUCH A MAP
SO FUCKING STUPID, SO MAD IT STUCK MY CAPSLOCK
>>44438158
>What a silly, toothless statement.
Like everything in this thread.
>>44438185
>Being mad.
There there. Go watch your waifu be a mary sue and leave the discussion to the adults I suppose.
>>44438186
>Advanced robots, AI, and mapping computers can't figure it out.
Possibly the worst part.
>This thread
Nobody's impressed. Shitting on a pretty good movie because it's popular doesn't make you cool.
So uhhh... back to topic?
Lucas once proposed starkiller from the Force Unleashed games be named Darth Icky
I think it sounds way worse than Dooku
>>44438213
That's the thing though.
>Pretty good.
It wasn't.
I don't think Star Wars fans have ever worried about "being cool" either. Unless you're some TFA hype johnny come lately.
>>44438122
>Luke: Vader... Is the dark side stronger?
>Yoda: No, no, no. Quicker, easier, more seductive.
The Dark Side has always been portrayed as the easy way to gain more power. Yoda says that Vader chose the easy way. Kylo wants the power and isn't prepared to follow Luke's teachings, because they take time and discipline. It''s nothing to do with Sith bullshit.
>>44438213
>Implying we didn't think it was good JUST because it was popular
Seriously?
There were more holes in the plot and writing of that movie than in your mother's bloomers.
>>44438213
Stating your views on an anonymous board doesn't make you cool. Try again.
>>44438235
Icky? Was he listening to a toddler?
>>44438247
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2015/04/04/fall-of-the-empire-how-inner-turmoil-brought-down-a-legendary-studio.aspx?PostPageIndex=2
>He threw out ‘Darth Icky’ and ‘Darth Insanius.’
>There was a pregnant pause in the room after that.
>People waiting for George to say ‘just kidding,’ but it never comes, and he just moved on to another point.”
>>44438237
>Kylo wants the power and isn't prepared to follow Luke's teachings
No he was a Vader fanboy and copycat. His only stated reasonings for anything he did.
He would have been a better character without the Vader thing and an actual reason for going to the darkside
Hands down the weakest written Sith convert in the history of Star Wars
>>44438281
I would hate to work for Lucas. If I spoke out against his ideas, even if he didn't fire me himself I know someone under him would do the job for him.
>>44435353
>not living sheev
>>44437291
TRAITOR
>>44436020
"Go home and get your fucking shinebox.".
>>44438296
>No he was a Vader fanboy and copycat. His only stated reasonings for anything he did.
He's talking to the mask, telling it to once again show him the power of the Dark Side. He says to Han that he needs to do something, but he's afraid that he's not strong enough. Kylo's entire progression is based around him being weak; he takes on the mantle of Vader because he thinks that will help him gain power.
I actually find him to be the best written Sith convert in the 7 movies. Maul's reasons are completely unknown, Dookie's reasons are completely unknown, Palpatine's reasons are completely unknown apart from UNLIMITED POWERRRRR, and Anakin's arc can be summed up as "I'm scared of losing the love of my life but this old guy reckons there's a way to save her using the Dark Side. I'd better kill 30 children to prove that I'm evil enough to save my pregnant wife".
>>44438213
You do realize that just having a different opinion doesn't make me a contrari...
>Dat image
BWA HA HA HA HA! Fukken saved.
>>44435221
Bob Odenjerk.
>>44438364
YOU MOTHERFU-
SLAB BULKHEAD
FRIDGE LARGEMEAT
BUTCH DEADLIFT
DIRK HARDPECK
PUNCH ROCKGROIN
BOB JOHNSON... wait.
>>44438448
We put our faith in BLAST HARDCHEESE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5xhfCGcAYw
>>44438400
>I actually find him to be the best written Sith convert in the 7 movies
Him and Vader are the only ones given backstories for it AT ALL in the movies.
Vader is the only one given motivation or reason for anything he does. Kylo is just fucking insane for no damned reason. He has no backstory other than being a "problem child".
>>44438463
BIG MCLARGEHUGE
BUFF DRINKLOTS
SLAB SQUATHRUST
>>44436020
"You know what? I'm not even gonna bother with a burn, just overkill at this point"
>>44438492
CRUNCH BEEFHULK
GIRTH MANMASTER
GRIND TALLBOY
>>44436657
>One day you idiots will accept that JJ Abrams took a huge shit on your sci fi series.
As a Star Trek fan who dislikes the new direction of being action movies in space, and who dislikes the Star Wars franchise, the resounding medocrity and shitting upon by JJ of TFA makes me want to squee with delight.
>>44438532
I hear you.
They're considering a new Trek TV show but now I'm afraid what that will be designed around.
>>44438532
I like both Star Trek and Wars, and I can only feel sadness for both. It isn't a competition, it never was.
>>44438164
Most of Iron Maiden thinks their self titled album is shit. It's far from it.
>>44438507
Girth Manmaster...?
>>44437129
Eh, Tarkin was pretty ballsy, ordering Vader around even after watching him choke people from afar. And Motti wasn't one to back down until Vader beat him down, either.
>>44438569
GIRD FLEXLOIN
GRUNT BRICKPOSE
>>44438464
>Kylo is just fucking insane for no damned reason. He has no backstory other than being a "problem child".
He wants power. The Dark Side is an easier, quicker way to get power. How many times do I have to spell this out?
>Yoda: You will know... when you are calm, at peace, passive. A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, NEVER for attack.
>Luke: But tell my why I can't...
>Yoda: No, no! There is no "why".
Yes, Kylo is young and rebellious. He's Han's child, what else would we expect. Small wonder that when Luke tries to pass on Yoda's teachings that are focused around tranquility and calming your mind, Ben would prefer the direct, more emotional approach. His father wasn't one to shy away from a fight so why should he?
>>44438532
I like both, but JJ Abrams should be shot for fucking up both series though.
Sexy Trek fucking sucks just as much as SJWars.
>>44438507
ROLL FIZZLEBEEF
CRUNCH SIDEIRON
BOB BEEFSLAB
>>44438588
>I actually find Kylo to be the best written Sith convert in the 7 movies
>Palpatine's reasons are completely unknown apart from UNLIMITED POWERRRRR
How many times do I have to-
>How many times do I have to spell this out?
-oh.
Ok now your stupid is just making my head hurt.
>>44438605
HUGE SPANGLYJACKET
>>44437664
Slab Bulkhead!
>>44438621
BEEF STRONGARM
SLEDGE MEATSLAB
PUMP HARDCROTCH... wait
>>44435249
Wasn't Snoke that little guy who would always follow Lion-O around?
>>44438615
>>44438588
fuck me forgot to sub Kylo in the second sentence
>Kylo the best written Sith
>Kylo's reasons are completely unknown apart from UNLIMITED POWERRRRR
>All these Sith with reasons completely unknown, but assumed UNLIMITED POWAH
Vader is the best written Sith convert would be more accurately said as he's the ONLY *written* Sith convert. Kylo has nothing aside from a Vader fetish.
>>44436617
She should have been the one with the shock baton
>>44437771
Hey guy, I liked VII. Do you want to yell at me a little?
>>44438213
Thank you. VII was 7-8/10. You guys are way too hard on it.
>>44438665
STEROID MUSCLEHEAD
>>44438697
>Do you want to yell at me a little?
IF YOU INSIST
INDOOR VOICE SETTING DISENGAGED
IT WAS A 5-6.5/10 AT BEST ON A SCALE THAT DIDNT COME FROM IGN
IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF MOVIES, EVEN WITHIN THIS YEAR THERE WERE MOVIES FAR MORE WORTHY OF A 7-8/10 THAN THIS
>>44438702
ROID RAMPAGE
SLATE IRONPUMP
MASON BEEFBISON
Aaaand I'm out of ridiculous bodybuilder names. See you anons tomorrow if this thread's still here.
>>44438697
You just have low expectations and are easily swayed by special effects over quality story telling and characterization.
That's totally cool though.
>>44438731
>A SCALE THAT DIDNT COME FROM IGN
They still make those?
>>44438732
>>44438702
>>44438665
>>44438649
>>44438621
>>44438605
>>44438584
>>44438507
>>44438492
>>44438463
>>44438448
I have a challenge for anyone not bitching about the new Star Wars movie.
Choose one of these names and make that the name of the BBEG, or his top lieutenant and or enforcer.
