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So here's the new model from last thread. I like it a lot; I have a theoretical "super operator/HALO marine" build that I think about, and that torso is perfect for it. I don't know how Raven Guard-y it is, but it's certainly a nice piece. It reminds me of the Titan Princeps model.
While the thread is fresh, Comment on my planned IH Morragul army.
Autek Mor
Legion Command squad
+ 1 Chosen
+ 4 Cataphractii Armour
Autocannon/Plasma blaster
Chainfist
Powerfist/Lightning claw x 3
Land Raider Phobos
Frag assault launchers
Legion Tactical Squad
Additional CC-weapon
Powerfist/PW + Melta bombs
Legion Tactical Squad
Additional CC-weapon
Powerweapon
Legion Predator Tank
Sponson: Lascannon
Executioner Destroyer
Contemptor Dreadnought (Skara Brae sum luv)
Hvy Conversion Beamer
tactical squads have both rhinos. Going for the head of the Gorgon Rite of war. Would this be playable with its 1500 pts? At least fun to play? And what should I expand with to increase to 1850-2500?
>>44428155
Doesn't look bad. I run a Las/Exec predator with my Iron Warriors; I'd highly recommend giving it a machine spirit so you're not wasting the plasma on tanks and vice versa. I will say that that Phobos is a lot of points in one basket. Against other Heresy armies that are under a similar low-points constraint you'll probably be fine, but against 40k armies that Phobos is going to get focus fired like crazy.
>>44428155
You could also run a regular command squad with shields and apothecary. I've done that and they're rather resilient. Plus as long as Mor isn't technically attached to then, they can attempt to sweep
>>44427694
Do you think that's a Rank and File Dark fury, or the Chooser of the Slain?
B/C for my Praetor, I just gave Captain Kordyvae a set of Sanguinary guard wings (and the Chaplain is the BaC one with Sanguinary guard wings and a mk4 jump pack), and I'll need to make them notably more ornate than the squad they lead around.
If that is a R&F model, how can you make a Praetor more over the top?
Posted this in the other thread without the usual HHG image in the OP.
...Anonymous
12/28/15(Mon)14:38:37 No.44428139
Filthy BaC pleb here.
Picked your brains last thread on wargear/squad size for Alpha Legion Headhunters, got plenty of good advice.
This time, I'm wondering about Lernaeans. It seems like they're meant to find an enemy-held-objective, hit the enemy on the objective hard with their volkites, and take it and hold on by dint of having Stubborn as a rule. Power axes as standard seem fine as far as weapons go, what do you think about their options for power and chain fists?
I have only heard people recommend the plasma blaster as a valid choice amongst their ranged weapon options, and while PBs are both awesome (IMO) on tabletop and sexy as fuck from a model standpoint, the heavy flamer seems nice for clearing enemies off an objective, and is an option available with the kits supplied in BaC.
Thoughts? Feelings? Just how retarded am I?
So are we still mad about Black Library?
>>44428516
Always.
I just want one little old ordinatus engine. Just one.
>>44428471
I'm hoping it's a Chooser of the Slain, because it might make it easier to ebay that torso. That said, I wouldn't be too surprised if it was the regular model.
As for your guy, I think the Sanguinary Guard wings alone will be enough to make them look fancier than their escorts. Korvydae especially has a lot of really fine detail that'll make him stand out among the rank and file. The cloak on your chaplain should have the same effect, but you could always give him a more ornate helmet if you're concerned. Personally I think the Centurion Sergeant helm looks tech-y enough to be a cool upgrade, and it'd also differentiate the model more from the BaC one. But there are lots of good options you could go with.
>>44428644
Picked up an Ordinatus Ulator from Forge World for Xmas. My private recaster is making them as well, so will probably pick up another one from him when FW puts out the Volcano Cannon.
>MFW the only unit in the game that gets omni-scopes is siege tyrants
FW, please, let me buy omni-scopes on my IW independent/characters
HQ-400
175: Zardu Layak
105: Legion Centurion-Chaplin, Artificer Armour, Retractor Field
120 Herald of Tzeentch, Disk of Tzeentch, Mastery lv3
ELITES-450
50: Apothecary x1, Augury Scanner x1
400 Gal Vorbak 10x (+5), Power Mace 2x, Martyr with Artificer Armour and Lightning Claws
TROOPS-1135
325: Legion Tactical Squad 20x (+10), 20x +1CCW, Sergeant with Power Sword, Dark Channeling.
300: Legion Tactical Squad 20x (+10), 20x +1CCW, Sergeant with Power Sword
330: Ashen Circle 10x (+5), Power Axe 2x, Iconoclast with Artificer Armour, Phosphex Bomb 1x, Dark Channeling
90: Pink Horrors 10x
90: Pink Horrors 10x
HEAVY SUPPORT-515
175: Legion Sicarian Battle Tank, Sponson Lascannons
340: Legion Spartan Assault Tank, Laser Destroyers, Armoured Ceramite, Flare Shield
400 HQ
450 Elites
1135 Troops
515 Heavy
2500 Total
Zardu joins the Gal Vorbak in a Spartan, and hit like a ton of bricks/Deathstar. Chaplin and Apothecary join the Legion Tactical without Dark Channeling. Ashen Circle just kill specialist squads not with 2+svs. Sicarian is all around anti-light vehicle. Deamons are there for objective (secured) grabbing, and more summoning.
Not sure if I should scrap a unit of Horrors to get another Apothecary for the other tactical, Grimoire of True Names on the Lv3 Tz Herald and Melta Bombs on Tacticals and Chaplin. I play in a competitive scene that is just getting into HH.
>>44427694
Torso is ugliest part. It probably wouldn't look so bad if the huge pack and claws didn't make the body look tiny.
>>44429205
by the glory of the dark gods its chaplAin not chaplin
>>44429537
Is his name Charlie?
>>44429537
You are correct, made a typo.
>>44429597
He has yet to earn an actual name
>>44429597
obviously
>>44429647
its pretty similar to my list actually, and shares the same weakness: air targets. the sicaran can get lucky, but thats it.
So I really like 30k, except I feel like the objectively worst Primarch and Legion (Russ) ruined the series. Can we all agree the Yiffs are the worst Sues and the TS would have wiped the floor with them if not for fanboyism?
what's some good equipment and stuff to start painting forge worlds heresy era units? I want to get a couple of Alpha Legion marines and try painting them properly before I go and get something big.
>>44429806
I realize I'm exacerbating the problem by replying, but leave your shitty meme arguments about Russ/Magnus and Dorn/Pert in the fucking BL thread where they belong. I say this so our new brothers coming in with questions on how to start with the BaC box can be assured that these generals are not the place for rehashing the same tired meme arguments on those retarded subjects over and over and over again.
You're the one who starts the OUTTA MY WAY threads aren't you?
>>44429716
Can you post your list as well?
There is only 1 Fire Raptor where I play, so air targets are not dominating our scene which is fortunate.
How do you arm your Gal Vorbak?
>>44429965
Magnus literally did nothing wrong.
>>44428482
This was posted by other anon in the other thread that should be deleted so I'm posting it here and not there:
>as a BaC fag, you'll want all PF/CF. they are also cheap, which is nice. remember the champ is a character, so can take a Power dagger, and fist for 5 attacks on the charge. just remember that they will all be at I1. the plasma is just a good weapon all round, and sits well on a 2+ frame, and can be made from 2 BaC plasma guns. Also the HF isn't great on a SaP unit, because no wall of death
The only thing I'd like to add to this is that you can also attack with the power dagger against AS3+ foes, but why would you do that in the first place?
>>44430093
>use his pysker powers to destroy the webway project denying mankind a huge asset and forcing the emperor to stay in the throne room and fight off deamons instead of deal with horus
>doesn't tell his legion about the incoming wolves attack, even killing one of his captains when they figure it out
>doesn't help his legion until the last minute, where he proceeds to get his ass kicked
>sells his sons to tzeentch to save his own ass
>>44428257
Should I go with an proteus instead, and give it some upgrades? with the IH rite of war, I can outflank with the land raider if Im not mistaken, Would perhaps save it for a round or two.
>>44430085
its a mess but sure:
The Unspeaking (2500pts)
Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (2500pts)
HQ (340pts)
Legion Centurion (165pts)
Artificer Armour, Burning Lore, Void Shield Harness
Consul
Chaplain
Zardu Layak (175pts)
Warlord
Master of the Legion
The Dark Brethren
Troops (805pts)
Legion Tactical Squad (290pts)
19x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade
Legion Tactical Squad (200pts)
14x Legion Tactical Space Marines
The Ashen Circle (315pts)
Dark Channelling, 9x Incendiary
Iconoclast
Phosphex Bombs, Power Axe
Elites (850pts)
Gal Vorbak Dark Brethren (380pts)
9x Dark Brethren
Dark Martyr
Artificer Armour, Pair of Lightning Claws
Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (165pts)
3x Laser Destroyer Array
Mhara Gal Tainted Dreadnought (305pts)
Fast Attack (160pts)
Legion Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron (160pts)
Sky Hunter Sergeant, 2x Space Marine Sky Hunters, Volkite Culverin
Heavy Support (345pts)
Legion Spartan Assault Tank (345pts)
Armoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade, Flare Shield, Laser Destroyers
>>44427694
How the fug is he going to throw the grenades he's carrying? Delicately I guess...
>>44430624
By thrusting his hip forward and at the same time disengaging the mag-lock on a grenade.
>>44428695
I'm also not sure how to easily convert the BaC chaplain to have a Bolt Pistol, as of how it's connected to his arm. any suggestions?
I also couldn't figure out how to get him to have a RG shoulderpad.
>>44430159
The idea of a Dagger/Fist Harrower is interesting both mechanically and because I want to try and make a power-katar. Power punching dagger.
>>44430581
Thanks on that.
>>44427694
>>44429340
>finally another armored chest piece that doesn't intentionally have exposed cables and wiring on it.
>Everyone hates it
I like the model. I'm not feeling the head or the legs though. The RG upgrade bits from FW would do well. Really wish the new heads had 5 helmets and not the one bare head though.
>>44428471
I would guess a normal fury. The chooser probably has a more ornate helm.
>>44430581
What is this list trying to do?
Centurion has what CC weapons?
Is the Chaplain naked?
So you have a squad of 20 marines with extra cc and then what is the point of the other 14 marines? No gear on the sergeants?
Ashen Circle should have a few more Power Axes considering how cheap they are, and how many bombs does the Iconoclast have?
Toss in some Power Weapons on the Gal Vorbak! Even though they have rending, they should still be a blender unit.
What does the Dread do in this list, and armed with what?
Never seen anyone use Legion Jetbikes. How are these better than Land Speeders?
Spartan = great.
>>44430180
Magnusfags BTFO
>>44430180
He is also a huge nerd that becomes a daemon that keeps on ruining humanity out of spite.
>>44430658
Just slice the plasma pistol hand off as neatly as possible. I just went over my box and if you use a sharp knife and cut accurately you should be able to get it right. Based on the angle it's difficult to see where to cut but I know exactly the line along which I'd cut through the wrist to affix a different pistol hand.
>>44431225
Time to buy a new Xacto blade then. Mine is getting old.
>>44431225
What about getting a left-hand pistol?
I didn't see any models except destroyers with one.
>>44431310
That's tougher, and I actually didn't consider it.
>>44431308
Yeah, if it's been awhile you'll be surprised how much better a new one performs. Just remember, don;t just push. Push and slide forward in a slow, controlled manner. Best wya to cut anything - plastic or food - cleanly.
>>44431310
>>44431355
Huh. That pistol might actually be a problem.
How would you cut off just the gun (not the wrist) so that he may be given a Tigris Bolter? (I have some extra FW ones)
At least converting him to have a Power Axe from a Red Butcher was easy.
>>44431456
At work so I can't post pics but I converted my chaplain to have a bolter, I did it in two main cuts with some cleaning up after
Cut vertically up from the trigger guard and take off the barrel. Then, cut the remaining gun part off of the top of the hand. Smooth these areas and they should be good to go
So... Since Stealth USR is conferred to a unit if one model has it, and Cameleoline grants Stealth, I can grant any unit the rule by joining it a Vigilator Consul (equipped with Cameleoline), right?
>>44431705
thanks, I'll do that. Hell, I might magnetize it to get multiple gun options.
>>44431762
That is correct.
>>44429205 > >>44430581
1st Word Bearer list is much better than other posters.
Both are not aggressive enough in taking advantage of WBs combat abilities, nor can they handle an opposing Primarch.
Starting a Death Guard army based on the BaC kit. I have a lot of Renegade artillery units I think would fit well in the army, but how does allying work in 30k? Will Death Guard/Warp Cult be a solid combo?
Finished painting up my Deathshroud termies just before Christmas, working through tacticals now. I've been saying I absolutely hate painting power armour for years now, but these models are really good. Seriously considering to sell all my old power armour dudes and replacing them with HH-era ones.
>>44431894
There is a 30k ally chart. You're not supposed to ally 40k shit because you're not supposed to play 40k in 30k.
>>44427694
I kind of like it
>>44431940
>you're not supposed to play 40k in 30k.
That used to be the case.
You can't mix and match 40k/30k in the same army but you can do versus.
>>44431894
The renegade artillery would do well in an Imperial Militia/Cult list. They're in HH5
>>44431940
I mean running my Renegade models as Warp Cults, which are a thing in 30k. I only have access to the first HH books without Warp Cult rules and ally chart though, so I was hoping someone could tell me if DG/WC works or if its a retarded idea I should drop asap.
>>44432063
They follow the Imperial Army line. They're Fellow Warriors with DG
>>44426637
What's the best way to outfit a SoH assault squad?
I already have Reavers
>>44432051
Can and supposed to are not the same thing.
>>44432188
Someone didn't read the FAQ
>>44432212
The FAQ specifically says the games aren't meant to be played together, hence the need for an FAQ to tell you how to do it.
>>44432145
Easy answer is to not run them. Slightly more helpful answer is to counts-as with the Reaver rules. Unfortunately regular Assault Squads are shit in general, and thoroughly worthless to the Sons.
At the bare minimum size, the Reaver Squad costs 10pts more for another 10A, Outflank and Precision. They also have far greater access to Power Weapons, Chainaxes and ranged kit. The Assault Squads have precisely zero reason for existing beyond that 10pt bracket, or natively-Scoring just in case you forgot to being Maloghurst.
There is literally no other reason to take them over Reavers. If you don't have access to Troop-Reavers AND you need another Scoring unit over combat advantages, or the incredibly unlikely case where your list is so tight on points that it's the only downgrade you can make.
Seriously, counts-as dude.
If you are absolutely refusing to accept this, I'd say to run them with a Void-Shielded Chaplain. They won't do anything better than Reavers, but they might conceivably beat and sweep something.
Somewhere.
>>44432212
Q: Are the armies and units in the Horus Heresy books by Forge World meant to be used in
games against regular Codex armies, such as say Grey Knights or Orks?
A: While Forge World’s on-going range of Horus Heresy books and their game content are all
designed to use and be compatible with the Warhammer 40,000 rules, they have been fine-tuned and
focused on playing battles in the milieu of the Horus Heresy rather than in conjunction with the
Codexes representing warfare in the 41st Millennium, and this will remain the case.
I.e. While you CAN you're not SUPPOSED to.
Everyone has read this FAQ, newfag. It's over 2 years old.
>Want to play an army with tons of power armour and heavy weapons
>Love DG and IW
>DG get the shit ton of heavy weapons, rad grenades, and shedding flamers
>IW get siege tyrants, havocs and Perty
>MFW
>>44431850
Thanks, the mechanic behind one model with Cameleoline granting Stealth to a whole unit is so illogical I simply had to ask.
>>44431355
Yeah, it's a shame, as well as mostly left-handed CCWs for power armour. BaC could have been a treasure box.
>>44432288
>>44432317
Emperor forbid you want tohave fun
>>44432139
Thank you!
>>44432429
Don't ask for advice if all you want to hear is people agreeing with you and going "fun fun fun"
>>44432390
> Yellow is great, Black is normal, Grey is poor, Red is shit
Were I in your position, I'd play Iron Warriors with an allied Dark Reaping. That way you'd still have the majority tied up in explosions, artillery and Tyrants. But you'd also have a specialist cell that brings proscribed weapons to the field. Frankly I'd still paint them as Iron Warriors but maybe with green shoulders to mark them out.
>>44432145
The obvious answer is to not run them since they're horribly overcosted, but if your dead set on running them build towards deleting squads that have a 3+ or worse and exploit your bonus attack. A big squad can charge (with HoW) , attack normally, and then since you probably outnumber the enemy (because bulky) attack again, and since you can't bonus attack with unwieldy weapons stock up on ap 3 at initiative. Your not going to win combat against dedicated close combat units or ones with a 2+, but you'll move really fast and, counting HoW, vomit out up to 5 attacks per model on the charge, so you can comfortably delete troop blobs, heavy weapon teams, light vehicles, etc.
>>44432608
Absolutely every one of those points also applies to Reavers though, except it's now 6 Attacks and all of them are done with Precision. Sons simply have no use for Assault Squads as it stands.
February is the LA:CAL reprint right? The new Taghmata was fantastic for rebalancing and re-funning, so I've got high expectations.
> Assault Squads, Recon and Destroyers plummet in price.
> Rapier Batteries and Typhon shoot upwards
> Armoured Ceramite and Flare Shield upgrades increases
> New generic Consuls and Rites introduced
>>44432764
No, February is when we're expecting Book 6, which will contain new RoW both generic and one for each already release legion, along with the rules for Scars and the Angels.
>>44427694
I like them, they weren't entirely what I envisioned but they look elite and distintinctive. I'll give a fuller judgement when I see one painted.
>>44429205
Reposting what I wrote to this on the tail end of the last thread:
A few notes, Chaplain is spelt as that and Lightning Claws on the Martyr probably aren't worth just granting a regular Maul or Axe. Aside from that this seems like a fun list. The Sicarian is vulnerable on its own as the sole vehicle besides the Spartan. In truth the Spartan is also vulnerable as all the enemy's serious anti-tank will be aimed its way. The Vorbak and co are this list's hard-hitters, and honestly its sole hard-hitters. The trick with a Payload unit is giving it a support structure to ensure its arrival and deployment. If that isn't possible then its better to just demote it to a cheaper but still nasty assault lead and provide other units so the eggs aren't in one basket.
>>44411211's suggestions touch on useful points like taking another Sicarian and the potential use of a difficult-to-target flyer, however Fire-Raptors are not the be-all and end-all and his suggestion of removing the Spartan is throwing babies out with bathwater. The Gal Vorbak are too slow to act as an offensive lead or payload without a transport, and they're too expensive to act as a support unit. Using a Storm Eagle as a transport might be the sounder proposal. I'm not familiar with the virtues of the Grimoire so I'll have to pass commentary on the Horror-exchange proposal. Melta bombs alone won't solve any anti-tank issues however. Overall this list is pretty scary even in its currently odd-shaped state and I'm sure you and your opponents will have fun with it. Experiment around, and remember that non-Tzeentch daemons exist as well.
>>44432893
>The Gal Vorbak are too slow to act as an offensive lead or payload without a transport
They have the Demon USR right? Why not use them as deep striking special weapon squads?
>>44432764
LAC/Isstvan Legions updating won't happen until, at the earliest, WS/DA/BA get their specific units/Characters and those have no ETA. I wouldn't be surprised for FW to wait until 1kSons and SW come out before bothering. A reprint of the old books is in progress but won't have any significant changes if any at all. FW has said they just didn't expect to sell so many red books after BaC came out.
How do assault marines with melta bombs stack up in 30k? I want to take a squad or two of 10 in my dg army to act as fast moving objective takers and heavy tank destroyers.
>>44432929
I can see FW doing propsero then a stop gap book for the angels and the white scars for their special units/characters AND THEN updating the red books, that's at least a year and a half away if not two more years unless FW steps up their release schedule or something.
>>44432915
Oh snap, Vorbak CAN Deep Strike! Nevermind, that does change matters.
My advice for >>44429205 now is similar to the other anon's: Retire the Spartan, take another Sicarian and chuck in another mobile/deep striking melee threat. Either another Gal Vorbak unit, perhaps cutting down on the orignal; another unit of Bookburners; or some melee daemons.
>>44432979
Yeah that sounds about right. I really hope they give the new red books the Collector's treatment. My current red books have the black covers with metal corners and I really like the look. Plus the slip case was really nice.
>>44429205
>>44432893
>>44433044
> Ctrl+F "Sicarian"
> 5 results
Cmon guys you're better than this.
>>44432429
It's a recomendation, Anon.
I get AL having spies in everyone's pies.
How do they steal Gal Vorbak?
>>44432979
Its not like it would be that hard to just do a reprint of the red/Isstvan, spend 20 mins in any /tg/ thread and you'll have pretty much found all the gripes people have, mostly about unit costs, and put that in the newest mass print.
Hell they could release a one page FAQ and address pretty much everything.
>>44433214
Watched Erebus do it.
Operative posing as a high-ranking Word Bearer.
Cabal did it.
Mutant super-Marines stolen from Corax' experiments.
>>44433214
I was wondering something similar with red butchers.
>>44433044
If I scrap the Spartan, I can either:
1) Add a Storm Eagle for Transport, and add some extra gear and an Apothecary
2) Add another Sicarian and another squad of Ashen Legion (5 for ~200pts) or a squad of Gal Vorbak (~220pts).
Is Deep Striking them a good plan? I've never really liked it in 40k, mind you these guys are alot more durable than most Terminators.
I'm not a fan of melee Deamns, solely because the Gal and Ashen are so good otherwise. Only having a 5++ isn't survivable enough I'm concerned.
Thanks for the wisdom.
>>44433318
See I can get this though. AL can essentially surgery and hypnotize themselves to be a legionary in another legion, so even Butchers I can get.
But how do you fool Chaos?
>and now receive the gift of the warp, Jenidos
>daemon: that's not Jenidos
>....ALPHARIIUUUUUS!
Although now I'm thinking of two explanations
A) the AL are just so good at the People Eater strategy that they can even fool daemons
B) the daemons in on it. This one I find hilarious
>hey pal, look Ill share a secret with you but you gotta help me out
>>44433404
>>44433044
A squad of only 5 Gal Vorbak is a huge target and likely won't last long if it DS's in.
One round of Fury of the Legion will surely wipe out most of the squad. I really think they need a delivery system.
The initial list still can't handle a Primarch level threat though. If he goes up against Girlyman or even Fulgrim than squads are going to get mulched (or molested).
>>44433418
I know that the alpha legion surgically alter agents to fit in with other legions but surely they'd hit a wall with the world eaters simply because the nail surgery can't be undone? And even if they did implant an operative with the nails what's to stop them going so insane they can't complete their objective?
>Legionary, give us your report.
>[incoherent mumbling] KILL, MAIM BURN!
>>44433267
We're not saying it's hard to do. We're talking about when FW plans on doing it. If you think putting out a one page FAQ with errata is something GW or FW cares about doing when players complain you must be new.
>>44433673
There's a plot hook right there though.
> Assign operative to the World Eaters
> Give him a special job and expect regular reports
> WE Apothecaries see the new recruit and notice that he is intelligent
> WE Apothecaries forcibly give him Nails
> Operative returns from duty
> Operative is now a liability
> Operative is sent out as a Berzerker to die as he is now worthless to the Legion for anything else
>>44433747
AL operative should be smart enough to act crazy.
How are the Blood Angels in this game? I have a lot of them but their current state in the normal game is abysmal..
>>44433850
They don't have rules yet
>>44433747
I could almost see a BL novella about this guy; it would be written from the point of view of the Operative during this last fight as a berserker, constantly thinking back to try and pick apart when exactly he fell.
He would have been sent in to see what exactly the Butcher's Nails are, perhaps, or just to report on WE movements, and all the while he would slowly fall to the blood-madness; first as he is challenged by a veteran to the dueling cages, and wins, and later when he starts using this as a way to destroy people who could possibly reveal him as an imposter.
There would be brief moments of clarity in the here-and-now where the operative would be killing other legionnaires punctuating it, and it would be a look into what the WE do when they're between campaigns and how, even with their descent into madness, there's still jockeying for position within the ranks, even if it is a lot more brutal now.
>>44433747
>The AL operative is the apothecaries implanting fake nails in fellow AL operatives
or
>the butcher's nails were actually made by the Alpha Legion to begin with, through their cult cells on the WE's home planet, as a way to control the WE legion towards the AL's long-term goals.
>>44433806
Acting can only get you so far, besides its a great idea for a khornate AL cell. So many operatives have been maimed by the Nails as they went undercover in the WE ranks that they now walk the eightfold path even as AL.
>>44433214
Experimentation with "fight fire with fire" re: the warp, gleaned with information on the practise of sorcery and daemon-binding gleaned from the Word Bearers by implanted sleeper agents?
Red Butchers could literally be World Eaters lost to The Nails that were captured like beasts by the Alphas in the chaotic aftermath of the battle (being granted the opportunity by The World Eaters' disorganized deployment and disinterest in maintaining coherency on the battlefield) and stockpiled as tools to be unleashed like any grenade or missile or cannon, a semi-autonomous melee warhead?
>>44433850
They're great! You either choose Stubborn or Furious Charge for your whole army!
>>44433936
Second one is really, really a poor fit for the setting.
Alphas are the XXth and final legion to be united with their Primarch, and the butcher's nails were part of Desh'ea's native culture. I know in your proposal the use of the nails would have been engineered into Deash'ean culture by the Alpha Legion cells but they wouldn't be doing that sort of shit at that time.
>>44433940
>eightfold path is a Chaos thing
Whoever at GW that came up with that is a pretty funny guy
Updated 2500 lists
HQ-400
175: Zardu Layak
105: Legion Centurion-Chaplain, Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Retractor Field
120 Herald of Tzeentch, Disk of Tzeentch, Mastery lv3
ELITES-450
50: Apothecary, Augury Scanner
400 Gal Vorbak 10x (+5), Power Mace 2x, Martyr with Artificer Armour and Lightning Claws
TROOPS-1050
300: Legion Tactical Squad 20x (+10), 20x +1CCW, Sergeant with Power Sword.
330: Ashen Circle 10x (+5), Power Axe 2x, Iconoclast with Artificer Armour, Phosphex Bomb 1x, Dark Channeling
330: Ashen Circle 10x (+5), Power Axe 2x, Iconoclast with Artificer Armour, Phosphex Bomb 1x, Dark Channeling
90: Pink Horrors 10x
HEAVY SUPPORT-600
175: Legion Sicaran Battle Tank, Sponson Lascannons
175: Legion Sicaran Battle Tank, Sponson Lascannons
250: Legion Fire Raptor, Armoured Ceramite, Independent turret-mounted Reaper battery, Hellstrike Missiles
>>44433747
>WE Apothecaries see the new recruit and notice that he is intelligent
>"Brother apothecary, our newest recruit is exhibiting strange and worrying behaviour."
>"He can string together whole sentences coherently and doesn't have a constant nose bleed."
>"That does indeed sound worrying brother."
>"What's even more strange is that I've never witnessed him headbutting a wall out of irritation or murdering serfs because he's bored."
>"Blood of the primarch say no more brother! I'll have a table prepped right away."
So, is there any good info on which Knight Houses and Titan Orders were attached to which Expeditionary Fleet/Space Marine Legion?
I'd like to make a nice Expeditonary Fleet army after I'm done with my SM Legion by adding some Imperial Army allies and Knight Houses. Small amounts really and probably just for fluffy reasons.
>>44434251
Yeah, read the FW Horus Heresy books
>>44431047
I like the torso.
Is anyone else clicking presents?
>>44433673
It was all a ruse!
Also you can remove the nails, very difficultly.
Exceptions: librarians because they're psykers and Angron because he has the OG nails
>>44428701
The 'private recaster' is just Frank, right? Also known as dxxxxxxxr (Censored)? There can't be that many recasters.
>>44433110
People call Tactical Support Squads Special Support Squads all the time. Most people don't bother to obsessively put Legion on the front of units, or the Imperialis in fron of Militia and Cults. Nomenclature is a way to recognise units, and in this case we all pretty clearly recognised the unit.
>>44434143
Did this guy do a collection of those drawings? I kinda want one of all the Legions.
>>44433404
As Vorbak are remarkably tough and at least have some shooting (you can even take a few special weapons per unit), it can work well for the same reason as it does for Terminators. Gal Vorbak are a pretty expensive unit as it is but without the extra investment in a transport they can function as a high-end aggressive lead very effectively. It all depends on what you want out of your army. NP on the wisdom front.
>>44434529
Nope, a friend of mine who produces props for TV and movies. I just pay him the cost of materials
If I want to paint my army like War Hounds or Dusk Raiders, how do I get around all the historical inaccuracies?
If I want Destroyers, they'll be in Mk IV when pre-Primarch legions were all in Mk II/III.
If I want to run my Primarch at all, for example, in War Hounds, that wouldn't make much sense unless Angron JUST arrived.
You also have to make up lame excuses like time paradox or alternate timeline to justify most games, and you're not eligible for 99% of the historical campaigns like Istvaan's Primarch hunts.
>>44433476
A typical Fury of the Legion - which incidentally requires a Tactical Squad to be within effective range at the time without recourse of movement, and is something that a mobile unit in a transport or deepstriking can avoid - will put out about 30 shots. That's probably 1 solitary Dark Brother dead.
>primach-level threat
Very few lists can handle a Primarch level threat without a Primarch themselves, a Titan or similarly silly gun like an Ordinatus, or if the Primarch is Rogal Dorn. Not really an issue here, every accepts a Primarch v. no-Primarch game is about watching how good a fight mortals can put up against a demi-god.
>>44434778
I have dropped Angron before with my AL in a primarch v no primarch, but Angron is probably the easiest to kill primarch, and it's not like he wouldn't annihilate Alpharius in a straight-up fight anyway.
>What do you want the Fabricator Elf to give you?
Konrad-senpai
>>44434814
Yeah Angron is pretty damn fragile, he's the easiest primarch to simply bolter to death if it all comes down to it. Did the WE player not transport him forward? Must've been pretty epic in any case.
>>44434770
Not being an autist?
>>44434871
I actually started typing a serious reply but yeah your idea is better.
>>44434700
I'd only be running CCWs and Power Maces with them, so no shooting beyond their Pistols.
If I run 2x 10 Ashen Circle and 1x 10 Gal Vorbak that DS, that is lots of early game pressure.
I posted an updated list too.
>>44434778
The Transport can avoid it, but DSing in leaves them quite vulnerable. 30 Bolters should take out 2 guy. I'm thinking of only 5 or 6 guys, so that really takes out lots of effectiveness.
Ok, hew, that's a relief then about the Primarch issue. We don't have any yet, but 1 guy is going to get Fulgrim soon.
>>44426637
>What do you want the Fabricator Elf to give you?
rules for Blood Angels
>>44434871
Pretty sure the entire point of HH is to be a historical autist except for 40k.
>>44434918
No, it's for people who like coming up with narrative reasons for their army choices. That Anon doesn't seem to be able to do that.
>>44434918
Speaking as someone who doesn't read the BL books or have read the FW fluff yet, I mostly find the entire setup of the game and the army building to be a more enjoyable experience than 40k that has become a trainwreak.
>>44434645
He's talking about the spelling mistake you mong.
>>44434897
They have Relentless Boltguns, but anywoo. Extra pressure is exactly what you need, throughout all the game. Which is what these units bring - ie not just near the beginning. Payloads can afford to be suicidal should they function effectively as a distraction, but that's not the plan without a transport in the works.
I like the new list, though I'm still not sold on the Fire Raptor. I support it doesn't hurt.
30 bolters is not going to happen, unless you deliberately go out of your way to land near that many men AND you're playing an army with that many for that matter. You'll lose 1 tops to non-secpial weapon shooting, and if the enemy is pointing big expensive guns at one Gal Vorbak squad or all of their small arms then you're winning, because the other stuff is free to act unimpinged.
Fulgrim's a fair primarch, especially if he uses Fireblade over Laer. He'll be good practice for encounters with grodier customers, like Corax or Guilliman.
>>44435102
Well done anon, in your quest to correct other people you failed at reading comprehension. Or grasp what "spelling mistake" means, for that matter.
>>44435084
>No, it's for people who like coming up with narrative reasons for their army choices.
In other words, being autistic.
>autists calling autists autistic
>>44434770
>destroyers
Literally put jump packs and bolt pistols on mk2/3 armour
>primarch
Say it is immediately after the primarch joined the Legion and not everyone had time to paint their armour
These aren't hard to think up
>>44435147
>40k players are autistic
More news at 11
>>44435164
So why is Angron and the War Hounds fighting other loyalists just as he arrived?
>>44435181
>/tg/ players are autistic
>you're not even in the 40k thread
>>44435185
Angron vs Russ anyone?
>>44435134
>sicaran
>sicarian
>not a spelling mistake
>>44435214
Oh, I'm glad you've come around to sense! Maybe I misjudged you.
>>44435185
Step back and ask yourself this:who fucking cares?
>>44435206
>yiff vs. nails
>>44435239
>not caring about your army
Why do you even play this game?
>>44435185
The WEs lost a lot of equipment for some reason (do you need me to think this up for you too?) and to resupply their guys had to rain their armouries that were all in WHs colours. Didn't have time to paint it all before Hours said 'let's fuck some shit up'
>>44435239
You're basically saying you have no good reason to support someone painting a pre-Primarch legion, yet FW gives us all this artwork and material to encourage us to do so.
>>44435279
>all those shitty justifications
>all those typos
Yeah, you're not as smart as you think. Your post and idiots like you are exactly why I'm thinking this through so carefully, because I don't want to look as sloppy and careless as you.
You're the kind of person who makes female psychic space marine homebrews for 40k in eyebleeding clashing colors and says "the warp did it it's 40k man lol".
>>44435279
>Hours
>>44435259
You should take some meds and get over your OCD Anon.
>>44435325
You should have some more attention to detail. You should probably clean and clip your nails too and dust your keyboard, they're probably filthy. Did you even shower today?
So, this is more of a fluff question (and it might come down to a headcannon/skulgun thing): are there regiments of the (40k) Guard with histories/legacies/traditions going back to 30k? If so, where could I find more?
Do we know when, e.g., Necromunda got settled?
>>44435103
Thanks for all your advice so far. The flyer just seems 'off' to me, so removed. I do have List version #3 here. It is the most aggressive so far.
Small squad of Gal Vorbak that will DS, but 2x 20 Legion squads, and 2x 10 Ashen Circle. Added a Scorpious for early game unit removal. Zardu will go in 1 Legion squad, and the Chaplain and Apothecary will go in the other.
HQ-400
175: Zardu Layak
105: Legion Centurion-Chaplain, Artificer Armour, Retractor Field
120 Herald of Tzeentch, Disk of Tzeentch, Mastery lv3
ELITES-285
50: Apothecary x1, Augury Scanner x1
235 Gal Vorbak x5, Power Mace 1x, Martyr with Artificer Armour and Power Fist
TROOPS-1350
300: Legion Tactical Squad 20x (+10), 20x +1CCW, Sergeant with Power Sword.
300: Legion Tactical Squad 20x (+10), 20x +1CCW, Sergeant with Power Sword
330: Ashen Circle 10x (+5), Power Axe 2x, Iconoclast with Artificer Armour, Phosphex Bomb 1x, Dark Channeling
330: Ashen Circle 10x (+5), Power Axe 2x, Iconoclast with Artificer Armour, Phosphex Bomb 1x, Dark Channeling
90: Pink Horrors 10x
HEAVY SUPPORT-465
175: Legion Sicarian Battle Tank, Sponson Lascannons
175: Legion Sicarian Battle Tank, Sponson Lascannons
115: Legion Whirlwind Scorpious
>>44434915
Patience, brother.
>>44435285
If FW gives us so much material then Anon should have no problem justifying his Warhound army. If he really has a problem fielding Angron, guess what? don't field him and stick to your own stupid self imposed rules.
>>44435347
Lol what are you? 12?
>>44435315
I don't think myself particularly smart, I'm only giving you reasons to play your army the way you want and you're sperging out and having a strop about it. If you want the honest truth there isn't any real reason for you to be using pre-primarch colours in an army with a primarch fighting loyalists so tough shit you can't do what you want. You'd better quickly reply to me in some sarcastic way highlighting grammar mistakes and shooting down my ideas without providing counter justifications otherwise you're going to look an idiot.
>>44435391
>stupid self imposed rules
Basic reading comprehension would tell you that these aren't actual rules since people are being asked for reasons to break said rule, and if they're so stupid, you wouldn't be failing to provide a decent justification.
QED they are sensible dilemmas that you are too stupid to solve.
>>44435408
What are you, retarded? What 12 year old cares about hygiene? Buttmad that that post hit too close to home? Just because you're a filthy, overweight Bohemian doesn't make you "mature".
>>44435430
Considering no one else here has given any help either I wouldn't be so quick to cast aspersions.
>>44435430
Except people have been trying to solve them and and got insulted for trying to help. Stop being such a cunt and throwing out 'reading comprehension' like you're some professor. You're acting king of the thread while simultaneously asking 'pls do my thinking for my' and shitting on the replys you are getting.
>>44435383
Just so I'm clear, I'm not looking to put Cadians into 30k or anything like that, I just want a narrative about my 40k Regiment's history going back to GC days, and maybe a common color scheme.
>>44435383
I think that there's an excerpt in book 3 about the Imperial Fists liberating a world that was later named Necromunda. Not sure about the details though.
>>44435520
Look at Book 4 and Book 5 re: solar Auxilia and Imperial Militias. They give you so much freedom you can probably make your 40k army work rules and fluffwise
>>44435626
Please re-read anon's post, as you're giving him the exact opposite of what he wants.
>>44435626
>>44435670
No, I'm happy for any feedback. I'm pulling books 4 and 5 off the mega right now. Thanks!
>>44435701
I'd also hit up the lexicanum and 40k wiki and check regimental histories. I'm not sure how complete these are but if there's anything official available it will be there.
>>44434770
>>44435185
Why are Ultramarines and Blood Angels fighting?
Why is Horus going 1v1 with Horus as two SoH forces clash.
Why are Iron Hands and Salamanders fighting each other?
Why is Alpharius teaming up with Robute to take on an Iron Warriors/Imperial Fists allied force?
The answer is that this is a game, and your opponent's army is always going to break your canon. So unless you're planning to replace each individual marine who gets killed during a game, stop worrying about it.
>>44435701
Just meant he seemed to have read your post as wanting to transplant your guard army into 30k, rather than trying to give it some history.
>>44435754
>Robute
I believe his name is rowbutt, anon
Have the Imperial Fists EVER beat the Iron Warriors in a straight up fight?
Seems like Perturabo was the better general and had the superior legion all along.
>>44435978
Siege of Terra
>>44435978
Yeah Perturabo killed 1/10 of his legion because they were just TOO good.
>>44436003
Is that it?
I think the Blood Angels had more to do with that victory than Dorn and his Fists did.
>>44436012
And "I'm literally retarded at everything except building walls" Dorn is so much better amirite?
>>44436038
This is the second day in a row you come out of nowhere and spam that fallacy.
>>44436021
Unless we get a major fluff change it was white scars, imperial fists and blood angels against 8/9 traitor legions. So I don't think any loyalist had room to take a back seat, also IIRC white scars were a smaller Legion and blood angels had been raped at signus so Dorn probably had a few Marines to throw about. Granted the fist's suffered heavy losses at Phall but that was only compared to what they sent, not as a legion as a whole.
>>44435891
After being forced to team up with Alpharius to fight Dorn I'm quite certain he's Rawbutt.
![[Fortifies Internally].png](https://i.imgur.com/QlXkUnK.png "[Fortifies Internally].png")
>>44436085
>>44436003
Iron Warriors broke the Imperial Palace.
Perturabo: 2, Dorn: -1
>>44436021
>I think the Blood Angels had more to do with that victory than Dorn and his Fists did.
No, all 3 legions had very different roles and all contributed equally to the fight. The Fists held the defense while the Angels went on the offensive and held the Eternity Gate when shit hit the fan all while the White Scars fought over a major space port and raided the opposition. It is a testament to their zeal and to Perty's incompetence that 3 legions held their own to 9 traitor legions.
>>44436220
Tallarn: Victory Iron Warriors
Hydra Concordant Part 1: Iron Warriors
Hydra Concordant Part 2: Iron Warriors
Phall: Iron Warriors
Iron Cage: Iron Warriors massive victory
Terra: Iron Warriors victory
What have the Imperial fists ever done?
>>44436214
every single time
>>44435383
The Tallaran Desert Raiders technically date back to 30k since most of their "original experience" and why they became IG is a direct result of the IW and Perty fucking up their planet before being driven off.
>agri-world get virus bombed into desert
>Tallaran survive in subterranean shelters
>only way to travel surface is by vehicle
>largest tank battle ever occurs
>Tallaran hit and run the fuck out of the IW
>IW get attrition'd so hard that Horus messages that it's a bit much even for them and to get the fuck out of there
>...
>now ex-agri-world only has battle hardened soldiers to offer for tithe
>>44436176
ohyou.jpg
>>44436284
Its very one sided, much like the Space Wolves vs. Thousand Sons rivalry where the Wolves almost always smash the shit out of the Sons.
>>44436214
Every day IW-poster
Every day until you like it
>>44435383
I think Vostroya agreed to give up all its firstborns because they refused to send people to either side during the Heresy. So there must be regiments that know their history that far back, even if that particular one isn't really useful.
>>44436349
But that's not Perturabo eating a fish.
>>44436349
i'm an iron warriors fanboy
and thats some top tier kek
>>44436284
They took on the Beast.
Which when you stop and think about it sounds like a porno flick. Guess the Iron Warriors win that one too.
>>44432510
Damn salamanders are bro
>>44436284
>Tallarn: Victory Iron Warriors
>Terra: Iron Warriors victory
>>44436383
Perturabo will never be as kawaii as Sakura.
>>44436770
But Angron will.
>>44436349
>Stop
>Wasting
>Men
Absolutely
DECIMATED
>>44426637
Newfag here, who actually makes this? By 'this' I mean the models, and the books.
>>44436284
They gave us the Crimson Fists and that one insane Hispanic marine.
>>44437245
Forge World. Maybe you should try and google such a easily found answer in the future.
>>44437247
>that one insane Hispanic marine.
IF gave us Perturabo?
>>44436284
When you 'Terra' are you referring to the Battle of Phalanx? Because if so, it's still ongoing.
>>44437293
that doesnt even make sense you mongoloid
>>44437293
He's talking about Pedro Kantor.
>>44435239
Wrong fucking answer. Take that gamist shit back to 40k where you belong.
>>44437358
Well, Pert is Hispanic and kinda insane, isn't he?
>>44437493
hes greek and insane
>>44437507
His name is literally Spanish for insane...
>>44437541
You're a fucking idiot. Spanish for insane is demente or loco. Perturbar is the base form of the verb "to disturb" or "to perturb". If you turn that into a masculine name it would be Perturbo.
What if the final book in the Horus Heresy series (dealing with the battle for terra) turns out to be an anthology?
>>44437541
>His name is literally Spanish for insane...
Perturarbo is not a word in spanish my ignorant friend, the word you might be looking for is "Perturbado" which means "Disturbed", close but not quite.
>>44435754
>Why are Ultramarines and Blood Angels fighting?
One or the other was part of an expeditionary fleet that sided with Horus and they chose their personal values over the values of their legion.
>Why is Horus going 1v1 with Horus as two SoH forces clash.
A mirror force created by an advanced xenos race at the height of the Great Crusade. The battle itself was stripped from the history books as it's still unknown if the true army achieved victory over the mirror doppelgangers.
>Why are Iron Hands and Salamanders fighting each other?
There are known Iron Hands who chose Horus over Ferrus Manus, especially after the latter's death.
>Why is Alpharius teaming up with Robute to take on an Iron Warriors/Imperial Fists allied force?
The IW/IF force are outright renegades from both sides and in possession of a large pre-Heresy Archeotech weapon capable of annihilating a planet from a star system away. The other side doesn't know Alpharius is among them.
There is always a legitimate reason in 30k. You just have a shit imagination and are looking for an excuse to call something "not canon".
>>44437693
But close enough, right?
>>44437662
Well the concept can be used to imply a mentally unstable person as their heads are "disturbed", Ive heard it used that way plenty of times (At least in spanish).
>>44437395
No the guy who told Kantor his arm wasn't missing.
>>44436802
Still not as kawaii as Calgar would be.
>He didn't need your help, Bakka
>He could have defeated Hive Fleet Behemoth all on his own
>>44437395
>>44437791
Captain Cortez. Fights campaigns without supplies, disarms warbosses by letting them stab him, and has a 3++ because just because.
>>44437845
Senpai is the kawaii-est of all
BaCfag here who just got the set, I'm planning on running blobs of world eater Marines with chainaxe up the board, would units of 20 be recommended? Also, what's the best way to get apothecaris? I wanna run one in each squad.
>>44439021
yes, 20 man world eater squads are the way to go
might want to pack them into either a spartan, if you can spare the HS slots, or storm eagles so they dont get whittled down too badly
apothecarion detachments or whatever out of elites
>>44427694
I want to like this and i'm trying to put my finger on why. The first thing I think of when I see it is really nice conversion, like its lacking a 'sharpness' to the sculpt.
>>44439147
I'm going to totally reserve judgement until I see the finished product, but the torso looks too Anvil Industries for me with the regular space marine belt on it. If it had a groin plate I think I would like it better.
>>44434770
I painted my loyalist Death Guard up in Dusk Raiders colours. Turning their back on what the legion has become and looking back to what they were.
>>44432764
>>44432317
I already have tons of fucking Reavers. I just want to model an assault squad that I can field without it immediately ruining my army
>>44439528
Give them combat shields and some power weapons and hope for the best.
>>44439528
Bodies and Melta Bombs for the whole squad, that sounds like it could do something, add a primus medicae for more survivability.
Out of curiosity, is there a primarch that everyone can agree on being universally awesome (or shit)?
>>44439684
Alpharius
Perturabo
Horus
Lorgar 2 Chaos Boogaloo
>>44439684
In fluff, I mean.
>>44439684
Horus is one of the best if not THE best, Dorn and Unupgraded Lorgar are both shit, I think Dorn is the shittest and many people do as well because at least Lorgar can be upgraded to be great whereas "Hit me Daddy!" Dorn is stuck at being shit.
>>44439684
I think the answer to that is obvious.the answer to both is Russ
>>44439722
Everyone knows Perturabo is shit.
>>44439723
Horus and Sanguinius were both loved by everyone and everyone thought they were the best.
>>44439684
Aside from the "he's got a good head on his shoulders" joke I've never heard anyone talk smack about Manus.
>>44431078
the centurion is the chaplain, sorry for the hasty battlescribe copypasta. he has a crozius arcanum.
point of the 15 man tac squad is just so i have a few more bodies.
you say add this add that. what should i cut? i dont have the points.
the mhara gal is vanilla, so tainted power claw and warpfire plasma cannon.
i just like jetbikes and they are a fast denying unit that annoys nonmarine units
i just tried to write a fluffy list
What's the best unit for an infiltrating infantry-heavy Alpha Legion list to take for Rewards for Treason.
>>44440171
Justaerin
>>44440171
gal vorbak
invictus suzerains
>>44440171
Mor dangnammit bobby with Flamers and a rhino
>>44440243
>Mor dangnammit bobby
my sides
>>44440243
can you please translate, can't speak King of the Hillian.
>>44440203
Would building Betrayal at Calth Captaphractii with Lightning Claws be okay (painted in the Sons of Horus color scheme of course), or would that trigger too many people?
>>44440243
>Mor dangnammit bobby with Flamers and a rhino
>Flamers
>run on propane
>rhino
>accessory to deliver propane to the enemy
BUHAAAAAGH!
>>44440392
The BaC cataphractii look a lot more like justaerin if you cut down some MK IV helmets to replace the cataphractii ones.
How noticeably different are plastic Cataphractii and resin ones?
I want to get resin Cataphractii, but if there's no point other than more flexible poses I might get plastic.
>>44440455
Ooh thanks for the tip. And I'm guessing Lightning Claws are the way to go for them?
I'm pretty torn between Gal Vorbak, Grave Wardens, and now Justaerin. So many options!
>>44440479
The plastic ones look like trash next to the resin ones.
>>44440670
That's what I figured. They look more boxy.
>>44440670
Any comparisons?
>>44440716
I don't have any on me but was comparing them the other night when my friend was working on them. The lines are just too smooth and shallow. They look cartoony next to the resin ones
>>44440392
What exactly is the problem? Sons of Horus had normal terminators outside of the Justerian as well.
>>44440479
I was surprised at how much people want the plastic. Just wanted the marines and sold my contemptor and the termis for 60 bucks
>>44440735
They're missing half the studs from the Resin ones as well.
>>44440747
I meant: would it be okay to just buy a set of 5 plastic Calth Cataphractii and give them LCs and the proper paint scheme...was looking for a fun addition to an Alpha Legion list. Other anon suggested adding MK4 heads which I might look into. Are LCs the preferred weapons on them?
>>44440735
That's the GW CAD design and less crisp plastic injection detailing. FW stuff is still hand sculpted and resin holds crisper detail.
Although a lot of FW vehicles are CAD now which is why they look so sci-fi and perfectly angular.
As someone who has never fought Night Lords, what should i expect in my game tomorrow? Its 3000 points and im rocking Iron Warriors using Hammer of Olympia with 60 tacticals and lots of Vindicators, a Typhon and Iron Havocs with Missiles. Im also tossing up between contemptors or too many thudd guns
>>44440811
Don't forget all the SA infantry are CAD designed as well as all the Primarchs starting with Perturabo.
>>44440837
You should be able to win. Just watch out for his infiltrating vets if he has any.
>>44440810
You really just need to paint them black and maybe add some Eye symbols.
Like all termis go for a mix of stuff. Lightning claws and fists works well.
>>44440837
Just don't let him close into assault. Once you kill off most of his infantry he won't be able to recover. Also go Thudd Guns, they're better than contemptors.
>>44440862
That's probably why they look so good. FW CAD always seems better than GW, probably due to resin and also due to FW simply having better sculpts and details when they design a model.
I'm surprised the SA are CAD though they look great, especially the axe honor guard.
>>44440915
Yup, CAD was the fastest way for them to get so many different poses.
>>44440915
I thought Calth was designed by FW.
>>44440952
If they use a 3D model in the instructions is that a surefire way to tell a kit is CAD?
They used photos for the old instructions right? And I think GW used line art illustrations way back or some really crappy 3D model for the old plastics.
>>44440998
It's not, look at the legs and I think the backpacks. FW Mk IV legs look a lot different and the backpacks aren't as thick for the lower tubing. They did take the bolter and helmet sculpts from FW though.
>>44440998
It was designed by FW but they were still constrained to the limitations of plastic injection molds.
>>44441027
And by designed by FW, I mean the group that is becoming the Specialist Products Design Studio handled BaC.
