Spoiler season has began!
>>44424888
Bad bushwacker
>>44424915
Pretty lame way to make wastes interesting.
>>44424888
Nice to see they still print legends that are playable outside of EDH.
Nameless Inversion 2.0
Nest Invader 2.0
>>44424925
Why do I get the feeling this is going to be nuts
>>44424925
I like the mechanic, though. And the card is not terrible.
God, I hope they give us enough goblins to actually get to use those Piledrivers in standard.
Ayy parasitism lmao
Boring +1/+1 counters mechanic
AGAIN
>>44424972
Yeap
Why has every mono red dragon for the past couple years been generally unplayable except in draft not even good in EDH- aka SHIT.
>>44424972
>>44424989
Shiiit they really are getting terribly boring at making +1/+1 counters mechanics-
Hell, even the keyword is boring as fuck.
Cute I guess.
![281092[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LSwycHG.jpg "281092[1].jpg")
>>44424925
>literally just kicker
>>44424994
Nigga what? That dragon is amazing. 5 mana for a 5/4 dragon that bolts ETB?
That's it for the official spoilers of the day.
>>44425003
It's like Inspiration had a fuck affair with Divination and made some kind of unholy hybrid of both value and not-value
>>44424997
>Hell, even the keyword is boring as fuck.
You know what really bugs the shit out me? Something like Bolster would have been interesting and somewhat flavorful, aside from the fact that it's a clan mechanic from Tarkir. You know, the stronger allies of Zendikar educating and bringing up the weaker trainees to fight the Eldrazi? This is just kind of dull.
>>44424888
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that Kiora's sister?
>>44425003
Wizards got so scared after TC/DTT that I predict it will be a few years before they even dare print good draw spells.
>>44424972
They really need to stop with this
>>44424888
>>44424901
>>44424915
>>44424925
>>44424942
These are interesting. Goblin isn't pushed but has evasion and send decent. Walker has potential to get huge. Colorless Nameless Inversion is nice.
>>44424972
>Boring +1/+1 counters mechanic
>AGAIN
I like the design of these, though. Khans had that shitty Outlast mechanic and cared very much which creatures had counters on them, this is primarily adding the counters and MAYBE getting a bonus afterward. It's a newbie mechanic in newbie colors, I don't see the issue.
>>44425018
Read the card again.
Best case it's a six mana 5/4 flier that bolts and does X. But it costs you two cards.
>>44424888
>Wizard
Should have been a scout
>>44425023
instant speed divination isn't TERRIBLE, but >>44425071 hit the nail on the head.
>>44425075
>Goblin isn't pushed but has evasion
>Has evasion
What? The goblin has no evasion.
>>44425072
To be fair, that card would be pretty sweet if you managed to get a gideon in a draft / sealed. I'd say it would be good if you were playing scions but white isn't playing nice with the eldrazi at all.
>>44424964
"Allies weren't parasitic guys! We'll just print more and cost all of them at 5cmc!" We learned our mistakes from Kamigawa and Zen for sure. Make sure to buy up those booster boxes!
>>44425116
I agree with both you anons, but I gotta add that this is standard fare for limited environments. Jace's Ingenuity has been a very pick-able card in the past, and what's nice about any instant speed draw is you hold up your blue mana until EOT and threaten countermagic.
>>44425117
Oh, I misread the art and Haste as Flying for some reason. My bad.
>>44424915
I just realized that pic related can fetch wastes!
>>44425071
Eh, I don't think they're scared, there's always been mostly mediocre draw spells, with one or two good in standard at a time. I think as an instant this is as good as it can be, instant divination with no draw back is too good considering divination occasionally sees play as it is.
TC/DTT didn't make the game unfun I find, I don't think people generally hated when they were around since it was such a short time. They were obviously too good, but I think they made the game fun for the short period they were available, really shaking the metagame up for a brief time.
A N U S M A N A
N
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I would love to sew unused anus mana symbols.
>>44424925
Remember, /tg/, when common rarity also had constructed playable cards?
These were the days!
>>44425198
>The blade glows only for Zendikar's chosen
>in other words, all these fucking Eldrazi!
This card looks really good for storm, IMO.
>>44425273
Just to note, it does only work once a turn, not every second spell.
>>44425292
I know, still seems ok IMO. I mean its a free card in the turn you can go off and potential digging in the other turns.
>>44425273
Not really, it will only net you a card. Why 3 mana essentially for a cantrip for the turn you go off? Plus it's a target for the removal that is dead in the hand of the opponent.
>>44425233
Yes, last block feels so long ago doesn't it?
>>44425233
This is fairly playable in standard if they push goblins to be actually good. If they don't then, your point still stands. I would love goblins to be good because I have some piledrivers that need dusting off. That and the the titan's strength + temur battle rage combo is fun every damn time.
>>44425012
You are paying less and getting an effect if a condition is met, nor more to get an effect.
It is totally different.
>>44425298
>>44425273
Also it can attack into Snapcasters, confidants, a two lingering souls as well as an early game goyf.
I do not recommend attacking into goyf, however.
>>44424972
>>44424989
I like how it says "target creatures" not "target creatures you control"
They really are pushing for team-based formats
>>44424942
The only niche Nameless Inversion has is it's a dragon for Silumgar's Counterspell. This has nothing going for it.
>>44425111
Wizards draw cards, not scouts, sily
Your average Magic player is too retarded to figure out which birds can fly and which ones can't
>>44425333
I think it's unlikely to ever draw you more than two cards, it turns on all their removal as another anon said, and you don't generally need chip damage in storm decks like you can use in Twin decks. Just play a draw spell or a defensive spell if that's what you want, but you don't.
>>44425273
Why would you not just play Mizzix (assuming you mean in commander)?
>>44425350
The draw spell is "Target player" as well. To be honest I think all draw spells should be like that, Ancestral got it right the first time around.
>>44425350
I'm completely ok with this. It's still perfectly useable in single player, but 2HG is fun once in a while. That said I hate it when LGS's ONLY offer 2hg. Mine is pretty cool about offering both regular and 2hg limited events tho. It's easier when your store has over 100 players on prerelease and 15+ at every draft.
>Instead of making things work differently, was there some way to care about something that players normally don't care about?
Mark "Shekel" Rosewater in his newest article.
>>44425018
Its complete shit, doesn't even have haste.
>>44424994
Eh, the dragon that does damage whenever a dragon farts into existence from I think M14 or whatever is a casual combo piece but otherwise I agree.
>>44424888
MTG IS DED SEASON OFFICIALLY BEGINS.
So, how's the condition of mtg nowadays?
>>44425474
Uninspired, that's what its at the moment. Theres a pretty good comparison to be made with Star Wars 7, both play it too safe, and by playing it too safe, they create nothing new, thus boring the enfranchised audience.
>>44425003
Man i was hoping for something like
Surge Draw Engine 3U
Sorcery
Draw 2 cards
Surge 2U : if Surge is paid, draw 3 and discard 1 card instead.
>>44425012
Most mechanics are literally just kicker.
Fuck off.
>>44424915
So if colorless is in the casting/activation/whatever cost, it can only be paid with colorless mana?
there's probably already too many 3-toughness removal spells for jori to be any good in 4 color control
its not really much of a loss anyway, cruise and truths are probably more than enough card draw
>>44425501
>Star Wars 7, both play it too safe, and by playing it too safe, they create nothing new, thus boring the enfranchised audience.
Funny, all I hear about Star Wars 7 is how it's too busy fizzbang gotta-go-fast and never calms down and lets the story and characters breathe, the exact opposite of boring, but equally bad
>>44425526
It seems not all surge casts come with a bonus effect.
>>44425536
yes
![stonehavenoutfitter[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IBpQtGF.jpg "stonehavenoutfitter[1].jpg")
Very interesting.
>surge
and there goes my hopes for this set being relevant
>>44425579
STONEFORGE REPRINT CONFIRMED
>>44425579
>Whenever an equipped creature dies, draw a card
>Skullclamp
>Laugh like a maniac.
>>44424989
Ah man, you can't pile it on one creature. That sucks i guess. For that huge cmc i think it should be an option.
>>44425592
I bet that's why it gives them +1/+1.
>>44424952
He looks like a doofus
>>44425579
this seems like really shitty design
equipment by definition is a mechanic that discourages massing creatures i dont see how they could print balanced equipment that would make this not shit
>>44425602
Doesn't matter that much, just means the skullclamper needs to play in a more aggressive "Kill my creatures, I fucking dare you" kind of way or adds a sac outlet of some kind to get the draw engine going. Not that it's much of a combo outside kitchen table, but it amuses the hell out of me.
>>44425602
>Run equips with a sac engine
>Equip with Skullclamp
>Sac
>Get three free cards
VALUETOWN
I think the OP missed this?
>>44425565
True, perhaps disappointing would be a better word.
both are so derivative, magic of its past (You guys like +1/+1 counters right! we did them so often. Ravnica was a big succes, lets make every set multicolor!) and SW 7 being a flashy version of 4 (Luke and leia were a succes! Lets gender-racialwap those and tell exactly the same arc!and somehow manage to make them even flatter characters.)
>>44425646
looks like a 6/8 for 7 that has really long flavortext/wins you long games in limited
>>44425646
Nice Limited Bomb
>>44425646
Nice Lord of Extinction chucker.
>>44425579
Oh shit, I NEED that
>>44425579
Sorry bro, Ghostfire Blade will roll out in a couple of months.
>>44425579
Batterskull gains
(8): Draw a card
>>44425729
Or you could have a 5/5 Vigi Lifelink for 5.
Wow, having just checked out the actual MTG spoiler articles for the first time in forever...it amazes me how desperate it all comes off. Like an entire fucking article about building around Jori En, because an extra card every turn is SO AMAZING, right guys? Right? Please don't beat me?
It seriously comes off as depressing to me how desperate they are to talk up fairly mediocre cards.
Looks like B/R Eldrazi is still the go to for me when Khans/Fate rotate.
>>44424915
So in a grey deck this guy is a 9/9 trampler?
>>44425769
Assuming you're playing just Wastes and no Mirrorpools or anything like that, yes.
>>44425749
> because an extra card every turn is SO AMAZING, right guys? Right? Please don't beat me?
It is, you fucking retard. Cantrips up that bitch.
Doesn't make Wizards' articles any better, though.
>>44425769
I'm not sure there's enough support for mono colorless. Spatial Contortion and Titan's Presence are nice early cards for the deck but what else do they do on turn 1 or 2? Blisterpod could be a nice addition of they splash green
>>44424972
Fucking disgusting. Ever since the Tarkir block this shit has gotten boring. Im turning into a nostalgiafag for blocks like Innistrad that had interesting mechanics AND flavour.
>>44425840
>Nostalgia
>Innistrad
>>44425840
>. Im turning into a nostalgiafag for blocks like Innistrad that had interesting mechanics AND flavour.
Good news, anon, we're going back to Innistrad next block and shitting all over both of those, and we expect you to buy it solely out of nostalgia!
>>44425826
They got a new piece of removal here: >>44424942
Still, mono grey is probably going to be shit unless they splash a color (which is what the devoid spells encourage anyways).
>>44424925
For storm decks it's goodbushwhacker.
>1R instead of RR
>Adds x+2 damage instead of just where x is your creatures in play.
>>44425881
Like the guy from tolarian community college said, why can't they just straight up reprint Innistrad.
That way we'll have a fun limited environment and have 100% of all the cards we want reprinted.
>>44425956
But that's retarded.
>>44425874
Eh, i dont say time spiral or kamigawa or any other good old set because not as many people can relate. Innistrad was a good block that a majority of current magic players experienced, but was one of the last few blocks that really stands out.
>>44425965
Frankly, the TCC guy is pretty idiotic most of the time.
>>44425953
Where are you getting the +2?
>>44425965
Yeah I know it will never happen, for story reasons and that it will probably undersell.
>>44425273
>storm
>Wanting to play a NOVALUE creature
What the actual mother of fuck you on about?
At fucking best it's a 3 mana cantrip that doesn't even let you get Card Quality. It's dogshit.
>>44426002
From the goblin itself, I guess? But then it would have to be 3 to consider the self +1.
>>44426025
Oh, it doesn't pump itself, right. It's +2.
>>44425881
I dont follow any of MaRos blog posts or any source of media published by WoTC but was there ever an explanation as to why the sets have been so weak lately?
>>44426025
>>44426002
>>44426039
missread oldbushwhacker(kicked it's a 2/1 hasty), still same damage for a better cost so it's better than normal bushwacker since dual red is worse than generic red.
>>44426047
>M-muh pendulums
>Muh limiteds
>Muh limiteds
>Muh powerlevelz
>Muh feels
>muh pendulums of powah
>>44426059
MaRo's blog is a fuckton of 1 liners that avoid the question and once in a while a wall of text that still avoids to answer the question. In between both, his answers are vague enough that reddit insists on finding hidden winks that just aren't there.
>>44426092
His answers are carefully worded to seemed neutral but will enrage online manchilds.
>>44425579
I know it's kinda old hat by now, but jesus christ I fucking hate them making random creatures allies.
>>44426047
I'm betting my money on a new-modern format, for everything with every card since new border.It's hilarious that KtK was pretty high powerlevel though[./spoiler]
>>44425974
I liked Scars, even thought the power curve was arguably way too high, and batterskull probably shouldn't have seen print. It was glorious seen babbies cry about infect, while also not running any removal or interaction. Muh puresteel paladin.
>>44425069
No, Jori En is the "all-important" scholar that went with Jace to learn about the hedrons but got mind-sculpted to go back home before he saw Ugin. Name-dropped a lot in UR earlier in the story but only done a bit.
Standards gonna be still more expensive than modern cause of these only select few cards being somewhat playable
>>44426178
Problem with "Return" sets is that they take away that made the original block fun while also removing anything remotely powerful from the original, leaving an empty husk of the block's former glory that is filled up with nostalgia and shitty set design.
>>44425695
Lord of extinction is a 0/0 in the yard hand or deck you fucking austist.
>>44426245
this. its just so boring. fucking 4 blocks of non-original content.. zz..
>>44426245
Eh, I'd say Scars didn't do the "removing anything remotely powerful" part at least.
>>44426140
>Neo-modern
I wish this meme would die already
>>44426047
For the batle to zendikar block it's maybe because they decide to go from 3 set a block to 2 set a block during its developpement.
>>44426303
He would be if he were a 0/0 that had an ability that gave him +1/+1 for each card in all graveyards. But since he's a */* which requires a characteristic defining ability, his power and toughness are defined in all zones. Read the rules once in a while before calling other people stupid, you mouth-breathing retard.
>>44426311
Scars didn't have Affinity (replaced by the garbage Metalcraft). The block was pretty shitty compared to the original until New Phyrexia upped the powerlevel of the block quite a bit.
>>44426311
They removed Affinity, it's just that they replaced it with Infect which had the potential to be just as powerful
>>44426303
And the idiot is here. :^)
>>44426380
>>44426388
Well yeah, they removed the ability that was fuckbroke and involved a shitload of people leaving the game and multiple bannings.
No shit they're not going to print more Affinity.
>>44426441
Affinity without artifact lands is hardly broken.
But the problem goes deeper. E.g. with RtR block, they made a bunch of guild mechanics that didn't synergize at all with the original guilds. Some like Golgari got lucky and had some synergy, while e.g. Azorius got nonsensical stuff.
The new allies they print in BFZ block also don't much mechanically in common with the original ones.
>>44425233
Treasure Cruise?
>>44426122
Why?
>>44425974
>Eh, i dont say time spiral or kamigawa or any other good old set
>old
I hate feeling old sometimes. I haven't played M:TG since Sixth came out, I got in shortly before Revised was introduced...I come in these threads every once in a while just to see what's going on these days and wow...I feel stupidly old.
Out of curiosity how many of you started playing while interrupts were still a thing?
>>44425749
>because an extra card every turn is SO AMAZING, right guys? Right?
Yeah, it kind of is.
>>44426523
Well, with Azorius at least there was a reason: during the original Ravnica block, they wanted to do a control-based mechanic for Azorius, but were forbidden from doing so because Control was too strong at the time. When RtR came around, they took the opportunity to fix that and try to make Azorius be more like what it was originally supposed to be before the higher-ups interfered.
Besides that, Radiance and Hellbent were considered to be "unfun" mechanics and thus something most players wouldn't WANT synergy with (Haunt was also considered bad, but for different reasons).
Not saying that makes RtR good mind you, just saying that there was a good reason for the lack of synergy in most cases.
Still a little early but it looks like we might be getting a cycle of enemy colored legendary creatures at rare.
>>44424964
>5 mana
>For a 3/3
>That requires another creature of the same type to use its ability
>You have to tap both to get the counters, meaning taking a turn off from attacking or blocking
>>44424925
This goblin is pretty good, I don't see the problems here.
On turn 3 you drop a 1 mana goblin, then follow up with this for 1R, giving the other goblin haste and pumping all your creatures power with one.
Even if you topdeck it with an empty hand, it has haste.
The best scenarios with the old bushwhacker were always when you played another goblin (or tokens) then kicked the bushwhacker to give them haste. This one does that better, but loses out when it comes to being played alone.
The biggest downside is obviously not being able to play it for 1, but bushwhacker was always sub-par if you had to do that.
Best part is, you can play 4 of each.
>>44426523
The ones that didn't go well with the old mechanics are the ones whose old mechanics sucked for the guild anyways - the Azorius and the Boros, for example, Radiance is just what and Forecast was them being scared of the possibility of UW Control running rampant (which, iirc, it was going strong ANYWAYS at the time)
Only other one that was disconnected like that was Dimir, and I'm not honestly sure HOW you're going to make a mechanic that actually plays well with Transmute that also works on its own. The fact that they overcosted Cipher by at least 1 in all cases is a separate problem which is due to, again, their fear of control (and of course, UW control was a dominate deck...again)
>>44425579
Eh. The comparison to SFM is inevitable, and it makes this look pretty bad.
For 2cmc SFM replaces itself in your hand with a tutor effect when it resolves, and can get you even more value on the next turn if you can protect it. At the same 2cmc SHO is just a fragile bear with a conditional upside and an even more conditional drawing effect. Can't speak for everyone, but the latter doesn't sound like something any deck I own or can think of would want.
EDH Staple confirmed.
>>44426755
>month old spoiler
>>44426742
But it does completely different things than Stoneforge Mystic. It's better to compare this to Auriok Steelshaper, where there's an actual comparison, than Stoneforge - which is only similiar in Being A Kor and Being On Zendikar.
Hell, Armament Master fits those criteria better than Stoneforge Mystic does.
>>44425273
It's not, it only draws you one card for three mana. By the end of a successful storm-off you should have the ability to draw nearly every card in your deck and enough mana to kill via Fireball if you felt like it.
>>44426781
But now it's official and not some mtgs rumor
>>44426742
>The comparison to SFM is inevitable
It doesn't do anything like SFM.
>>44426742
Nahiri EDH wants it
>>44426755
I keep trying to tell my friend that this card will be busted but he doesn't believe me.
>>44426824
>Rumor
>Had a picture and everything
>>44424888
Is there any reason to use this over Nin the pain artist as a UR commander?
>>44426755
Rhinos 9-12!
![Battle-for-Zendikar-Art-10a[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cbdgr9i.jpg "Battle-for-Zendikar-Art-10a[1].jpg")
>>44424901
I really, really like this card
>>44425965
>But that's retarded
Why? I thought about it a while ago when writing something on Reddit, but the easiest way to make the pricing issues around things like lotv and snaps disappear, to give a draft format worth a damn and to help new players enter eternal formats is just to keep selling old sets. What would the problem be? They can keep releasing, we get our new toys and whenever I feel like it I can crack a box of Innistrad with mates.
>>44426362
I didint call him stupid. I called him an autist.
Maybe you need to start reading better before you start trying to act smart online. Your grade 12 diploma ain't fooling anybody.
>>44426856
I can understand having to sacrifice it, even though I dislike it a lot (land of Make Rhinos), but it's still really annoying that it's a one-use land.
>>44426906
You're anonymous you know. You don't have to do all that damage control.
>>44426878
Anon, you're not thinking fourth-dimensionally. This is Rhino 37-40.
So do we like the art of Kozilek's brood more or less than Ulamog's?
>>44426951
Cosi is my homie.
>>44426951
Kozilek Brood > Emrakul Brood > Ulamog Brood.
Obsidion > Lattices > Bone
Bismuth > whothefuckknows > Chalk
>>44426951
>neat crown
>rainbow bismuth
we the bling brood yo
>>44426924
Still the fucking synergy
>Crucible of Worlds
>Life from the Loam
>Titania
I can;t see this not being busted as shit.
>>44426951
This guy >>44424952
Is kind of a big goober
>>44427049
So one out of how many is bleh?
>>44427003
I can see Bloom Titan experimenting with that thing. It really needs Amulet on the field to be effective though.
>>44427070
I actually like him more than >>44424915
Which just looks like a big bug and not some weird alien creature.
Still say the Scion Summoner's a huge goober.
>>44424952
>Scion Summoner
>Summons a Scion
This name is so uninspired that it's actually funny.
>>44426906
>What is context
How else could you have possibly meant autist in that situation?
>>44426875
Nin costs more money.
Unrelated: Was anyone else way more optimistic for OGW before Wizard's orchestrated spoiler season began? The leaks were so much more interesting than
>the experience we work so hard to create for youhttp://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/why-leaks-hurt-2015-12-16
>>44427100
Creatures of the Kozilek lineage often have eyes or eyelike protuberances in odd places, such as at limb joints or scattered seemingly randomly along the creatures' flanks. The appearance of such normal-seeming mammalian sensory organs on creatures such as the Eldrazi is jarring to say the least. Some have speculated that the eyes were grown as an attempt to mimic the life of Zendikar, the better to hunt such prey, but that the imitation failed or was halted, and only the eyes and vaguely bestial body shapes remain. The eyes do seem occasionally to aim and focus, but usually only at empty space—or perhaps they focus only on ineffable things that exist beyond the normal spectrum of visual light.
The spawn of the Kozilek lineage are squat, insectile, multi-eyed creatures that skitter on crablike limbs. These spawn exhibit swarming behaviors that mimic ant or termite colonies. Adventurers have discovered entire dungeons crawling with Kozilek spawn, which often precedes the emergence of new, even more horrible greater Eldrazi.
>>44426875
Depends if you like Blue Boobs of Fish Tits more.
>>44425646
3c: win the game seems pretty powerful.
>7 rares spoiled
How many are left? Along with the leaks we got like, 15-20 rares spoiled right?
I think only Jori En and Dread Defiler from these seven interests me.
Skulker's ability looks good but that p/t for 6 mana is kinda iffy.
>>44427231
While I still don't like how it looks, I'll accept its bug-ness without comment from now on
>>44427296
Fair enough
>>44427262
The p/t isn't too shabby either for a cmc7. it's a starter deck rare though.
>>44425607
Lean wit it roc wit it
So Emrakul doesn't exist any more, or...?
>>44427488
emrakul went off-world
>>44427488
Emrakul is the one that actually DID fuck off to Places Other Than Zendikar while Ulamog snacked on the surface and Kozilek figured out how many licks it took to get to the chewy mana center of a Zendipop.
95% chance of Emrakul being the Shadow Over Innistrad
>>44427488
On vacation.
>>44425012
But surge can't be replicated with a properly-worded kicker
>>44426755
>ETBT
>only taps for colorless
>can cast two shocks for five mana
>can give you another whatever for six mana
Alright man, whatever you say.
>>44426583
I did. My first booster pack was fallen empires when I was 7. Being a little kid with almost no money,I regretfully gravitated towards the 2$ fallen empires/homelands packs instead of the 5$ unlimited/revised packs at the local shop.
>>44425874
Who is this semen demon?
>>44427614
You aren't casting shocks in EDH, and your average EDH deck curves up to 7 at least -- a deck that runs this will have a lot of 7-9 drops to make token copies of.
>>44424959
because it's better than bushwacker.
Just because the non-surge version sucks doesn't mean the card is bad.
Bushwacker was seldom played alone - usually you'd drop another dude + kicked bushwacker and go to town. To that end, this does exactly the same thing, except it's 1R instead of RR, and 2/1 instead of 1/1 to begin with. The only situation this is worse than bushwacker is when you topdeck it, and have nothing to trigger the surge.
>>44427614
A copy of anything on the field on turn 6 is pretty damn good. In EDH this card is even better as it turns your late game lands into value.
>>44426583
Played when my friend brought a shoebox filled with mirage cards, i dunno what set at the time, we're super casuals.
Bought packs here and there. After a while we pitched in to buy a box of Planeshift. Then we quit until Zendikar came around and decided to reignite old hobbies.
>>44427651
Regretting old decisions eh? Our regret is back when we bought a box, there's a POTK box at the same price and we decided on the Planeshift instead.
>>44426047
For the return to zendikar block it is pretty much entirely because they knew they could put full art lands in it, and it would sell regardless. They literally didn't even have to try.
>>44425579
>white getting draw power
I can literally hear Maro crying right now.
>>44425089
>>44425422
We're talking about Red here, it's not difficult to play 2 spells in one turn.
It has an immediate effect one the board (that "board" part is important, not even Siege Rhino does that) and packs evasion for 5-CMC.
Or are you just reverting to "high-CMC red card is bad 'cause red can't do that"?
>>44428187
7 mana in Red aggro is unplayable.
No haste on a dragon is near unplayable.
3 damage is literally nothing, may as well play Atarka, who is way beefier.
NEED to meed Surge condition if you want the ETB effect.
Thunderbreaker exists, Atarka exists, Even the firebird is better
Face it, its complete shit and a bulk rare.
>>44428187
this, it WILL see play in Red/Black Dragons utilizing Wild Slash/Murderous Cut to instigate its Surge.
>>44425579
b-brother?
>>44428246
>>44428265
>>44428187
You guys do know this is an intro pack rare, right? They're never all that good.
>>44424972
>"Sea Gate may have fallen"
HAAA
>>44428265
'At'a a boy!
>>44428246
5-CMC. You can't quite say it's 7 due to the effects of whatever spell you're playing, and I'd suspect one of them to be something along the lines of Searing Song. Plus, you can play R/X control, it has the support for it.
>>44425579
>>44428294
Unban Stoneforge
Make Modern EquipBears CoCo deck
Brilliant
Surge will have some sort support spell that cantrips out mana or something, just you watch.
>>44425579
>>44428294
ALL THE VALUE
>>44428187
My point is that you don't just have a 5 CMC dragon, you need to actually cast another spell before casting him. He's probably at least good in limited, maybe even great depending on the cheep spells we have around.
But for Constructed, his issue is that he is crap when not turned on. The card is not a 5CMC with the upside of a bolt attached, it's a not-really Inferno Titan with the downside that you can't cast him without having cast another spell that turn.
>>44428370
Forgot pic. Fuck.
>>44424994
does.. does this work with Bring to LIght?
>>44427102
I bet it was a working title they forgot to change. It sounds like a legit name when you don't think about it.
>>44428332
It's at the very least 6CMC since you need to have another spell to bring Surge online. That also means you need another card in hand, making this card awful in topdeck fights. 3 damage isn't even relevant really, if you want to wait until T6 to bolt something then you should probably play better cards that keep you from getting into the position of needing to bolt something on T6.
>>44428402
It does not. Bring to Light says "... with converted mana cost less than or equal to the number of colors of mana spent ..." Even though you can cast Tyrant for 5 mana, it's still a 7CMC card.
>>44425579
>>44428294
Will bant equipbears really be a thing in modern?
Or is it just casual bait?
>>44425749
"Look at me! I only play the most powerful netdecks! Everyone else is a scrub! xD"
This is literally how you sound.
Wizards has had those spoiler season articles for years and years.
>>44425615
>equipment by definition is a mechanic that discourages massing creatures
>>44428332
Personally I think that its just way too expensive of a card. For 5 mana I may as well play the new 5CMC goblins, which get me a 4/4 with menace and allow me to recast a spell.
I can only see this card being played in a RB deck, and even then your best combo will likely be something like Wild Slash + Surge.
>>44428402
Any Surge spell with cmc less than 6 does
>>44428495
>"You can make your own deck!"
And them promptly lose to a net deck.
Sure it isn't original, but it has had a fuckton of more playtesting than your home brew.
>>44425594
Reading comprehension
>>44426687
b-b-b-b-b-butuutututututu BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT U CAN BLOCK WITH THEM BOTH
OPPPPPPPPPPP
MUH MUH MUH LIIIIMITEEEEEDDDDDSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
>This is what LIMITARDS actually believe in
>>44424888
Can this Qt help modern storm?
>>44428495
Not him, but the card is bad. You can only cast so many spells in one turn in Standard, and untapping with a 3CMC card that dies to Bolt in Modern/Legacy is almost never going to happen. Even if you do, you have to start casting two spells for the mediocre drawback of exactly one card. I'm pretty sure the ceiling for this will be Serum Visions -> Spell to draw your scry, or Preordain/Ponder > Swords/Bolt/etc. The card is probably Standard playable but you need to have a very very good reason to play it competitively in Eternal formats.
Also,
>Caring about netdeckers
>Caring about people who don't netdeck
>Caring about how other people play a children's card game
>>44428613
No, it's 3 mana and will draw you exactly one card per turn at best.
>>44428575
Probably only 2% of all Magic games played are played on a competitive level. Keep in mind that there are tons of peopl who play Magic but never have participated in any tournament at all. Almost no one of those people netdeck.
>>44428610
jesus calm down
>>44428613
No, you want to spend turn 3 ideally dropping an electromancer and going off with rituals, alternatively finishing setting up an ascension. It dies to bolt and thins out the actual gas in the deck while going off. Would you play a Divination that you had to suspend for a turn?
>>44428634
This red'n'blue bitch will be in every UR EDH deck. So she will see plenty of play.
>>44428590
wat?
>>44428610
I am a limited player and I think this card looks terrible. Even with how slow BFZ is it's a 5 mana 3/3 that takes at least another turn or two to be any good AND requires you to have another ally to tap. Card's bad senpai.
>>44424972
>>44424989
>another +1/+1 counters mechanic
>wonders if dice sales need a boost
>squints
I dont support this mechanic.
>>44428814
But casuals fucking LOVE +1/+1 counters.
Can confirm, am casual as fuck
>>44424901
Great, blue gets a Seshiro that's larger, easier to cast, not legendary, works for all your creatures, is devoid, and has a useful relevant ability.
>>44428635
Where are all these casual magic players I keep hearing about? The only people I can ever find who play magic are people who regularly participate in competitive level magic.
>>44428697
Why. It only gives you a card for casting your second spell. Why not play an actual drawspell/card that draws another one. You want to be bouncing this bitch every turn?
It's only good for constructed tempo decks that somehow care about a 2/3 body. So basically it sucks.
>>44426946
Seriously?
Where the fuck do you live pussy?
Let's fucking fight if you think you are so hot.
You ain't shit. I'd fuck you up you pussy faggot.
Fuck you.
>>44428922
.. you realize it says "each turn"?
>>44428900
>comparing creatures from ten+ years ago with creatures now
Also, Blue is still primary inbeing the best color.
>>44428914
There are tons of people who only keep their games between a couple of friends. Only sometimes those people go to stores for tournaments. (Just last week we had two "new" players who had actually been playing for four years.)
>>44426380
>garbage metalcraft
>what is mox opal and why is it so expensive
>>44425579
There's gotta be a combo here with grafted wargear
>>44425526
Difference between rarities m8
>>44428756
Doesn't meant maro won't yell "Muh limited" and "Muh bad cards make goodplayers"
>>44425526
I'm happy there's now a consistant draw spell again in Draft.
If...i quit mtg with arabian nights, and i feel the deep urge to buy a display of boosters...because unpacking fun and probably starting the hobby again...which display shall i get? Thx for advice..
>>44429000
Ally casual players will be all over this expensive 3/3 and you know that, tripsguy.
I still won't touch it in Draft, though. But I will trade it for casual players's memelands. :^)
>>44424972
When was the last time we got -1/-1 counters?
Have they decided it was too hard to understand for beginners? Shit.
>>44429030
Depends on your budget and what format you want to play
>>44429030
Find friends to play with or visit your local game store. Go to a Draft.
If not, crack some Arabian Nights packs for nostalgia reasons.
>>44429080
Inb4
"Don't buy boosters becuase hurr durr ima finance pro" fuck off.
>>44429091
That's not what he asked.
>>44425035
>aside from the fact that it's a clan mechanic from Tarkir
That doesn't mean that they can't return it in a non-Tarkir set.
>>44429000
Well there is some truth to both of those things. Bad cards that have interesting effects that can only be identified as bad after playing with and fully examining them are good for the game. The ability to identify these cards is indicative of a good player.
>>44429060
Nah, they're just less flexible than +1/+1 counters. They'll definitely be back next time we see phyrexia, if not sooner (I could see them in SOI if it really is lovecraft-themed--they could be the "sanity point" loss for your creatures).
>>44428938
You really are going to be casting two spells in your opponents turn? Even in EDH that's iffy.
>>44429127
>which display shall i get?
>crack some Arabian Nights packs
>>44429152
Oh sure. Buy a box of Arabian Nights. Only 12 grand.
>>44429030
For the current ones, It's never wrong with khans of tarkir.
>>44429188
lol r u poor or somethin?
>>44429220
Memes.
So funnay senpai
>>44428697
Sure, she'll be played in URx EDH decks. My post wasn't pertaining to EDH. Probably because I don't have any interest in EDH. In fact, Anon was asking if she goes in Modern Storm. Why even bring EDH into the discussion?
>>44424972
It'd be nice if there was another -1/-1 counter block. We haven't had one of those in a while, and I feel like there's more space to explore there at this point.
>>44429150
what about your turn?
>>44429287
Innistrad will probably be the place for -1/-1 counters.
>>44427661
actress from spartacus,the name of her character might or might not have been Cynthia
>>44428438
I wish, but Stoneforge Mystic alone is better than those 3 combined.
Such is MtG, no fun allowed.
>>44429030
Khans of Tarkir is probably your best choice from current sets. Fetchlands give decent EV and can probably be traded rather easily.
If you want to gamble and probably waste your money, Battle for Zendikar has a very low chance to get you cards with really high value, and it'll be longer in standard than Khans. But you really shouldn't. Especially if oyu're from Europe, where the dollar rares are all completely useless.
If you've got too much money, you can buy Modern Masters 2015, which is for, well, Modern.
If you can you should really get some friends to play Sealed/Draft with those packs. Simply gets you some extra value out of all those commons.
Support is really bland but I kind of want to make a terrible jank deck with it and Willbreaker.
>>44428964
A mox is a mox, but it's still the worst one yet.
Besides, Wizards being too retarded to reprint shit making it expensive doesn't make Metalcraft a good mechanic.
>still no cards spoiled that show the planeswalkers taking the Oath
>>44426245
New Phyrexia had pretty good flavor and interesting mechanics, I think.
