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Twilight of the Clans Edition
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>/btg/ does a TRO.
http://builtforwar.blog(not spam) spot.com/
>What's Happening In the Future
http://bg.battletech.com/news/news-and-announcements/drop-pod-sequence-initiatedthree-two-one/
http://bg.battletech.com/books/upcoming-releases/
>How do I do this Against the Bot thing?
http://pastebin.com/pE2f7TR5 (embed)
>Can I get an overview of the major factions?
http://bg.battletech.com/universe/great-houses/
http://bg.battletech.com/universe/the-clans/
http://bg.battletech.com/universe/other-powers/
>How do I find out what BattleMechs a faction has?
http://masterunitlist.info/
>Map of /btg/ players (WIP):
https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=1116217&add=1
>BattleTech Introductory Info and PDFs
http://bg.battletech.com/?page_id=400
>Rookie guides
http://pastebin.com/HZvGKuGx (embed)
>Sarna.net - BattleTech Wiki
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Main_Page
>Megamek - computer version of BattleTech. Play with AI or other players
http://megamek.info/
>SSW Mech Designer
http://www.solarisskunkwerks.com/
>BattleTech IRC
#battletech on irc.rizon.net
>PDF Folders
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/9q792hobnbpw3/Battletech
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/sdckg6j645z4j/Battletech
>>44419163
first for 3058 best era
>>44419163
>mfw I'm reading The Hunters right now
>>44419225
>First for I only play FedCom
3058 has some good designs, sure. But I can't live without the stuff from 3085-times
>>44419264
>FedCom in 3058
FedCom is SO 3057
Vaugely related to the multsided taurian butthurt barrage from last thread.
We should do a taurian LAM, just to piss absolutely everyone off. One loaded to the gills with the shittiest clantech there is.
>>44419285
>>44419144
No worries. Out of curiosity, how old were you when you really *read* Stackpole's BT novels in line with the rest of the product range? IMO, most people who at least enjoy Stackpole's BT books were all in the 8-16 range when they started working through the novel line**. People who picked up his books at an older age tend to dislike him a lot more.
**For me, 8 years old, Warrior:En Guarde, in 1988. I'd been playing BT for almost 2 years by then, and the only BT novel I'd ever found prior was Decision at Thunder Rift.
>>44419264
I'm actually purple bird more than either half of the fedcom, but any way,
I've been tinkering with the idea of getting a few of my homebrew designs (mostly for non FedCom factions) together into a mini TRO of "3058 designs for the rest of the sphere" and throwing it up on here
but yeah, TRO:3058 really IS fedcom heavy, which is a bit of a shame, because it's really the best era
>>44419342
Joke's on you, we're already making a LAM for maximum butthurt.
>>44419342
>just to piss absolutely everyone off
Give it the shittiest Clantech. And re-lasers.
...and then explicitly let it use the SuperJump movement mode.
>>44419290
The Federated Suns called itself the Federated Commonwealth for a long time afterwards. Maybe even until the end of the Civil War, or at least until Victor put on the old FedSuns uniform.
But TR 3058 gives a stupid amount of really good designs to the two former halves of the FedCom. Other (IS) factions are barely getting stuff that's as good as their Gausswall designs now.
Speaking of the 3050s, thoughts on the Anvil?
>>44419406I know, I was making an Operation Guerrero reference to its sundering
>>44419410
It's a pretty dorky design, but it's better than what came before...
...Or so I've heard. Personally, I haven't used the thing and have really no inclination to.
>>44419348
I read him first as a middle schooler and I didn't like him, though I don't recall why. Of course, that was just me grabbing whatever BattleTech novels the library/bookstore had. I reread some of his stuff as an adult and I still don't like him, for the reasons I gave in the last thread.
>>44419434
Dorky?
>>44419410
The idea is good, but the 3 Jump with the IS LPLs gimps the execution. The -5M is a lot better thanks to the ER Large Lasers.
It's a design that really would have benefitted from a Light Engine, or from having one less Heat Sink and two more Jump Jets with Ferro-Fibrous armour providing the other ton.
Some people like the zombie-ness of it. I just find the limited range and mobility to be more of a handicap than I really want to deal with. YMMV.
>>44419410
Pulse-Ost, pretty much. It swaps the 2LL4ML for 2LPL.
>>44419366
>getting a few of my homebrew designs (mostly for non FedCom factions) together into a mini TRO of "3058 designs for the rest of the sphere" and throwing it up on here
Do it, anon. These threads need more OC and less arguing
>>44419464
Yeah, dorky.
Two LPLs will do that to a mech. Also jets on a 60-tonner.
>>44419464
Plog did what he could to unfuck the design, as seen in >>44419410. Originally it looked like this and was the harbinger of the Impossible Hip Reformation.
Alternatively, he might be talking about its stats. It's a 5/8/3 mover devoting 16 tons to weapons that can't hit beyond 10 hexes. It's not as irredeemably gimped as other FWL designs from the era like the Jackal, which had SHS until they decided the FedCom should have it and then went oh fuck, better give it DHS.
>>44419576
Also, being a 60-tonner. There's nothing a Mech of that mass can do that isn't done more efficiently by a 65 or 70 ton Mech.
>>44419641
or a 55 tonner, if it goes 5/8 and jumps
>>44419519
>>44419545
>>44419576
>>44419635
In the interest of getting this thread heading in the right direction, this calls for a variant challenge.
Design a variant of the Anvil for 3058 in the style you see fit.
>>44419366
I honestly like what the T-Hawk did for at least the Lyran side. If you want actual, mechanical proof that the Lyrans love the gauss, there it is.
>>44419641
Move at 5/8 with an SFE.
I've surprised we're talking about the Anvil and nobody's mentioned the Hammer.
>>44419697
>Move at 5/8 with an SFE.
So be able to run as fast as something lighter than it, not jump, and have no mass left for weapons or guns. yeah, totally justifies being 60 tons.
>>44419743
>remove the Artemis
>add literally anything that isn't Artemis IV
There.
>>44419683
>remove LPLs
>replace with PPCs
>profit
Honestly the biggest problem with the Anvil is that it's the result of someone getting a Combo-Mech idea and not thinking it through. Imagine if the Hammer was faster and had TAG, while the Anvil had no jump jets or extra DHS, just two LRM-15s with a shit ton of Semi-Guided LRM ammo.
Then you'd have something to work with.
A light 'Mech that's too slow to avoid damage and slinging bugger all firepower downrange coupled with a heavy that's too slow to effectively use its weapons is not the best of ideas.
>>44419767
In 3025-times, a 60-tonner could eke out an extra ton of whatever over a 55-tonner.
So as long as you didn't make it jump, a 60-tonner was, in theory, the most tonnage-efficient 5/8 you could field.
Eat shit.
>>44419743
I always loved the concept of "combo Mechs", where you're supposed to pair them up to achieve the desired total effect. IIRC, the Hammer and Anvil were the first ones to do it in-universe. It's cool because it's at least an attempt to form a cohesive faction tactical doctrine other than "mass fire on the other guy". It's too bad that the combo is so terrible. The Anvil itself is sub-optimal (not useless, but not very good), but having the Hammer be a credible fire-support unit? Ha.
If the Anvil was 60 tons, then the Hammer should have been 60 tons, with identical IS and engine. Carry a pair of LRM-15s (which, to be totally honest, is about the minimum needed to be a credible fire support unit; sorry Dervishes) with large ammo stocks. I would be totally fine with the fluff about the Hammer dropping minefields behind enemy units to hem them in with the in-fighting specialist Anvil. It's something that won't work *well* on the tabletop, but fluffwise it at least SORT of make sense.
But the canon Hammer laying down enough mines to actually dissuade somebody from just moving through them? Yeah, no. A 30-ton LRM support Mech is not a thing using IS tech.
>>44419850
First, nobody cares about 3025 anymore.
Second, the Anvil wasn't built then, so any rationales that depend on "it was fine in 3025" are invalid. Find a rationale that makes it so "it's fine in 3055 and all future dates in which the anvil is produced."
>>44419697
it's not that I don't like gausswalls, cause I do, I just think that they should be more widely distributed; I've got some old partially-fluffed designs hanging around that I'm gonna flesh out and toss up here as FLW/Drac gausswall designs.
(as a side note, I feel like GR+LBX-10+missiles or PPC is probably better than just going dualgauss, though that might just be my LBX-10 fetish talking)
also, kurita needs a 70 ton LBX-10/big energy weapon heavy, so I'll throw one of those together, too
>>44419768
CASE would probably be a good idea...
>>44419896
I feel bad for the dervish. it's basically an underweight crusader, with all the misfortune that that brings
>>44419641
60 is *the* optimal tonnage for 5/8 with a SFE, and 6/9 with an XL. "Optimal tonnage" being "the chassis tonnage where you have the most leftover tonnage for guns, armor, and other things", before that's somehow misinterpreted.
*65* tonners are the garbage ones. Anything a 65 tonner does, a 60 or 70 tonner can do better.
>>44419743
>>44419939
I get what you did, and that does - technically - unfuck them.
But honestly, aside from the tonnage, neither is recognizable as an Anvil nor a Hammer any longer. Which on one hand is an indication of how badly fucked up the idea was in the first place. On the other, I kind of feel that making two totally new Mechs that have no relation to the originals aside from mass and name isn't really "unfucking" something so much as "designing something totally new."
>>44419939
As a reward for those variants I grant you this landhold.
>>44419938
>65* tonners are the garbage ones.
Those are fighting words, freebirth.
>>44419938
i'll fight you m8
>>44420044
>dead clan's totem was a 65 tonner
>65 tonners are garbage
it fits
alright, let's kick off the 3058 expansion pack with a mercenary gausswaller that's hopefully fixed up a bit from the last time I posted it, for all the mercs who have a boner for the nightstar et al but can't get one because no export 4u
>>44420024
But I wanted Harrenhal.
>>44419997
All it really did was swap the roles to the appropriate tonnages. If you really want something that's still kinda fucked in the vein of the originals though...
>>44420056
Sorry Thud, but while you're cool you would be strictly better if you were 75 tons (3.5 tons more for weapons/armor/sinks).
The problem most people have with 60 tonners is that they remember the cannon ones, and the most prominent canon 60 tonners in introtech are:
Dragon
Rifleman
Quickdraw
You can tell why this results in a bias against them, while the 65 tonners have the excellent (if not actually optimal) Thud and Catapult.
>>44420170
>Poiland
>Poi
>Land
Literally why. Is this a new, low-quality knock-off?Yes, I know it's probably a typo.
>>44420249
fug. yeah, it's a typo
BRB 30 second paint fixalthough I do like the idea of dubious-quality slavic knock-off gauss rifles
>>44420249
>>44420274
here it is, de-typo'd
What are your favorite striker and/or heavy cavalry 'mechs?
>>44419997
Putting my own money where my mouth is. Alternate-universe Hammer/Anvil combo, using the guidelines from >>44419896
Lots of shared components across both platforms (almost everything, actually, aside from weapons loadout and MASC), so it actually makes sense that procurement would *want* to buy them in pairs. Also actually capable of doing the mission that the original H&A fluff claimed. Not in the least because, while this Anvil still has fuck-all for range on its guns, increasing the armor by 33% gives it the marginal ability to get to the enemy.
It's not supposed to be optimal, or even "good". But it should at least make a modicum of *sense* that the H&A are paired up together.
>>44419933
>(as a side note, I feel like GR+LBX-10+missiles or PPC is probably better than just going dualgauss, though that might just be my LBX-10 fetish talking)
First, the Carronade says hi.
Along with the Thor prime.
But also... kinda yes, kinda no. The Thunder Hawk (and Nightstar and Devastator and Pillager and King Crab 001 and Fafnir 5B and whatever I forgot that isn't terrible like the Gunslinger or the Cerberus) are designed to do one thing: Sling hot slugs (and PPC bolt or ERLL beams or LRMs) downrange and put holes in who-the-fuck-ever was unfortunate enough to choose this day to exist where you are shooting.
They are probably also clanners. Toting main guns that effortlessly outrange your equivalent weapons and blistering "secondary" arrays that are nearly the equivalent of weapons five times heavier in the IS, taking them on conventionally is suicide with the average machine. But gauss rifles, they are the great equalizer. Only three tons heavier than their clan variant, with the same range and a 15-hex medium range that allows you to mount them on lumbering behemoths and not have to worry about the faster Clan designs playing the range game with you, and winning.
Yeah, they may have made IS combat a bit more boring by existing, but the WALLOWSTEEL has very legitimate justifications. The LB 10-X is a really nice weapon, I love the thing. But it isn't something you can put on a mech designed to tumble with clan mechs of a similar tonnage and come out on top. Same goes for LRMs, which are literally not even half as good as their clan equivalent.
>>44420363
I made this a while ago, and really like it after using it a few times.
>>44420363
>What are your favorite striker
The Striker, obviously.
More seriously though the Falconer, Jinggau, Lao Hu, RACshasa and NAIS Thunderbolt are all pretty boss in their own way.
>>44420363
I'm actually rather fond of the heacles; if you trash the AMS for armor and swap the rear SPLs for regular MLs, it's actually great, like a faster hound
>>44420170
Can't we just put the Annihilator C onto the Mercenary General and Inner Sphere General lists? That should be all the Guasswall anybody needs.
>>44420409
>Gausswacker
An anon after my own heart.
>>44420409
>gausswhacker
that's nice anon
really nice
I think might refit the next bushie I pick up that way
>>44420170
>>44420302
I don't think I've ever seen a 2GR+LRM mech before, so point for that
Also, I get the feeling that this thing is meant to be used with thunder LRMs and that would be disgusting
>>44420435
Just build something new and better. It's not even that hard.In b4 that's what she said.
>>44420409
Nice. Here's my go at one that could be built with just SL tech.
hey, anyone have any good name suggestions for a drac gausswall?
I was kind of thinking of calling it the Daisho for obvious reasons. any other ideas?
>>44420649
Dracs already have the Cerberus and Gunslinger. Doesn't need to be a Japanese name.
>>44420803
true. but I kind of like the name Daisho for it.
on a side note, damn but it's hard to design a dual-gauss assault that isn't gimped but ALSO isn't a duplicate or near-duplicate of an existing design
>>44420874
Yeah, it is a bit tricky. Here's my go at one, on the basis that there aren't really any that use Streaks with the gausses (that I know of, anyway). Three headcappers, and once you close it'll critseek the holes without much interruption of it's firing.
>>44421036
that's indeed pretty good.
the problem is that I'm building one for 3058, not jihad
actually, are there any C3 or GECM dualgausses out there? maybe that's what I need to make it unique, electronics
>>44421085
>GECM dualgausses out there?
The Fafnir 5B.
would a C3 master dualgauss be a good or terrible idea?
would a slave unit be a better plan?
>>44421213
C3M 2-gauss would make them an even juicer target than normal.
>>44421244
yeah, it'd probably be better off with a slave unit, with some stuff that gets close and lets it get silly low TNs with the big iron.
right, that's settled.
let's keep going
secondary weapons, PPCs or lodsa MLs?
>>44421293
Split the difference.
An LPPC array.
>>44421445
I would if I could, but
>3058
>>44421293
MRMs. You could get the full 40 rack on
whelp, here's my first try at it, using my very favourite weapon, the LBX-10, as the secondary
thoughts?
>>44419348
>No worries. Out of curiosity, how old were you when you really *read* Stackpole's BT novels in line with the rest of the product range? IMO, most people who at least enjoy Stackpole's BT books were all in the 8-16 range when they started working through the novel line. People who picked up his books at an older age tend to dislike him a lot more.
I came to Stackpole after high-school, so mid-'90s. I thought the Warrior Trilogy gave a good impression of a feudal setting and mindset, but even then I could hear the dice rolling during the combat scenes and I thought his dialogue sounded... off. Like it was more narrative, instead of things people might actually say.
Of course, I may have had my expectations of the franchise skewed by the first BT novel I ever read, a year or two before I found Stackpole. Namely, "DRT".
here's a second, alternate, loadout
yeah, it's basically a sawn-off devastator, sue me
>>44419342
>We should do a taurian LAM, just to piss absolutely everyone off. One loaded to the gills with the shittiest clantech there is.
Call it the Crop Duster.
>>44419342
I feel the urge to trawl PRI to see if such a thing already existsI want LAMs for everyone, but in my world, the periphery states should be the ones sticking with the old veritechs while the houses get various factional LAMs. I'll post them once I sober up and dig the old sheets out
>>44422265
And the Clanner scum get a Mech designed to work in tandem with a specific ASF, the latter of which can pick it up with a Magnaclamp-lift hoist thing to give it greater Jump capability and long range weapons.
>>44419163
Hey guys.
I stumbled on Mechwarrior through MWO, yes I know I am a scrub etcc.
But I have a question about the factions lore wise.
Which is the most dickish inner sphere great house?
Which is the least dickish?
Same for Clans.
I personally joined the Rasalhague Republic as they seem to be pretty much the underdogs here between the bigger houses and the clans.
I read a bit about Clan Blood Spirit and they seem allright.
What do you think?
>>44422348
I hate to say it. really, I do, but the burrs, of all the clans, could actually into LAMs; take failed SF pilots who test well as mechwarriors or vice versa, make them into LAM pilots.
I kind of wish that nicky K wasn't a macross-hating pussy, but ah well
>>44422355
most dickish?
probably the Draconis Combine or Capellan Confederation. they are both total shithouses.
in the minor powers, the Marian Hegemony is a total shithouse; they're the "somebody always tries to be rome" of Battletech, complete to large-scale slaving.
the Magistracy Of Canopus may seem liberal at first, but it's a sexist hellhole of constitutionally protected rape, so it's worth a passover
Least dickish? all of the great houses are kind of dildoes, but the FRR is sort of a great house but not really, and they are actually decent people. get ready to suffer like this is a yuri manga, though.
if you're willing to go periphery, Rim Collection is literally the only genuine democracy in the setting, the OA is not assholes, but are still goddamn pacifists, and the Taurians are reasonable up till the '60s, but being a fan of such is pure suffering so I can't recommend it.
>>44422355
as for the clans? the Ghost Bears and Blood Spirits are the least dicks to their civilian populations and freebirths, with the smoke jaguars and Jade Falcons being the worst
>>44422373
I wasn't aware that the big NK was like that, I thought the LAM hate was the Nova Twats fault.
>>44422429
yeah, I'm reasonably sure that LAMs got trashed because he was like IS IT AEROSPACE, OR IS IT A MECH? IT'S NEITHER OR BOTH? THEN WHAT THE HELL IS IT DOING IN MY RIGIDLY CASTE-BASED EUGENICS MAGICAL REALM?
the nova shitcats ARE responsible for destroying the last LAM factory in the IS on the orders of Star Colonial Harmony Gold, though, so they bear responsibility for the general LAM extinction
>>44422412
>>44422426
Thank you, reading up on the Taurians and the periphery in general.
How does one play the tabletop with such a complex time-line?
For example the Blood Spirits apparently got squashed, but I guess you could play some survivors operating as mercenaries or whatnot.
It does seem that the Battletech galaxy is so huge that you can do a lot of stuff with it fluff wise.
>>44422457
>IS IT AEROSPACE, OR IS IT A MECH? IT'S NEITHER OR BOTH? THEN WHAT THE HELL IS IT DOING IN MY RIGIDLY CASTE-BASED EUGENICS MAGICAL REALM?
Dammit Nick.
>>44422467
>How does one play the tabletop with such a complex time-line?
pick an era and stick with it.
no, really. that's all you can do. say "this is 3055 and I will stick it out here". if you go "I'll play any era" like as not you'll be stuck with some asshole who's all "[%faction] doesn't have access to [%mech] in [%year] and/or is so BTFO by [%year] that they are totally incapable of having nice things".
>It does seem that the Battletech galaxy is so huge that you can do a lot of stuff with it fluff wise.
here's the terrible thing: you really can't unless you're willing to go to AUs. which I heartily recommend, but I will say that it will attract the hate of the more butthurt crew of the fandom.
battletech has this issue where it has the wargamer's instinct to have every last unit down as to disposition, strength and details, but it ALSO has the "man, fuck it" of RPG backgrounds where this really doesn't matter unless your faction is getting fucked and the other fellow doesn't like your faction (it's more likely than you think) and then what's "canon" matters immensely, but if things are going good for [%faction], than the book numbers don't matter.
in short, what your local group of players is willing to make of the setting is FAR, FAR more important than what the 'canon' universe is like
really, the moral of the story is, work out with your local player group how exactly you want to play the universe, and that's what's REALLY important, far more than whatever the inmates running the asylum come up with.
in the end, canon isn't important unless you're playing a campaign, and in that event, it matters as much as the players want it to.
if you're just playing a game for fun, the only thing that matters is BV matching and letting your opponent look over your force to ensure that it's not total munchkin shit.
>>44422536
this is what you get for literally reforming your society into a sociopath's magical realm and going hard to the death to keep it that way
>>44422577
What is AU?
Also how magical ist his realm on a scale from 1 to 10?
>>44422600
AU means "alternate universe"; that is to say, any time you run things to a different conclusion then canon. Oh, the st.Ives compact lasts past 3061? AU. The TC is not run by mongloid sociopaths and doesn't suffer horribly? AU. Smithson's Chinese Bandits don't get rekt in 3059? AU.
About 90% of games will go AU. It don't really mean a thing, but it gets a few of the more hardcore autists riled, especially when it involves a faction that they don't like NOT getting fucked. Ignore them, though. Also ignore anything that has any faction becoming TOP GUN, because that'll be just fanwank and can be safely ignored.
>Also how magical ist his realm on a scale from 1 to 10?
Man, I'd say an 7?, maybe 9 if we're talking things purely involving actual human beings and not futa/furry/giantess or whatever.
The more you read aboot the clans and their foundations and lifestyle, the more magical the realm gets
>>44422694
Might be, on a cursory glance it does not look that wierd.
Except the whole dissassociation of sex and birth and the whole eugenics thing.
But hey, if the Nazis had won...
>>44422724
not that anon,but I'd say that complete denial of actual human beings' (that is to say, non-sociopaths') monogamous pair-bonding instinct and hardcore genetic manipulation eugenics to create completely unnatural humans in droves alongside the whole "murder and endless casual sex" thing seems pretty fucking magical realm to me.
but then, what's insane to me might be normal to y'all; I'm 35 and married on my first go to an ex-slash author lady,so my judgement of magical realms may be outdated, i will say.
>>44422827
It is magical, but i dont know much about Battletech.
I have no real frame of reference.
>>44422467
>Thank you, reading up on the Taurians and the periphery in general.
Oh Christ anon, I will say one thing and remember it for the love of God; if you go down to the Official Forums, do not listen, even the slightest bit, to a fellow named Medron Pryde. He is obsessed with the taurian concordat in ways that are too far for any sane man. If he tells you that the sky is blue, check twice.
Falling for his insane factionfag bullshit is a mistake that all too many new folks make, and I'd rather you not
>>44422888
It is pretty goddamn magical, even by battletech standards; other than the clans, the MoC is the most magical realm and it's basically a femdom hellhole taken to it's logical conclusion.
The clans are a realm apart. The blood spirits are unusually conservative for the clans and therefore less magical, for what it's worth.
Anyhow, I'm drunk to hell and gone; I'll be back in eight hours to answer any other questions you have
>>44422942
Hey, thanks a lot.
Will go deeper down on research of Blood Spirits, there has to be something cool about the Clans.
>>44422913
Does he like them to much or hate them?
The internet truly is an awesome place.
>>44422942
It´s the First French Empire of Femdom, basically.
They got limited democracy and a liberal code of law. "Liberal" in the sense that nobody enjoys any protections other than the ones they can afford and that half of the population is considered shit before the law.
>>44422827
Doesn't the relationship disassociation only apply to the warrior caste, though?
As far as I can remember every other caste, from laborer to scientist, can live life like normal humans do, but the trueborn are socially pressured not to form relationships because in the long run it would create a severe inbreeding problem.
I mean, you'd have hundreds of people with the same genetics either breeding with each other, or with the general populaces gene pool. That's why they aspire to have their codex saved beyond their deaths and obtain a bloodline. As far as I understand it, it's their way of "passing on their legacy" because they can't really do it normally to avoid creating a genetic bottleneck.
>>44423122
>Does he like them to much or hate them?
Likes them way, way too much.
According to him the Concordat is (or should be) the best faction at literally everything.
The Taurian Concordat in and of itself doesn't bother me. But like75%+ of the Concordat's fans (being REAL generous with that percentage too) are fans in Medron Pryde's mould and go full turbomong whenever the Taurian Concordat isn't the best at everything forever.
It's a total shitshow.
>>44422457
It's not Nicholas Kerensky, man. The Clans developed and stratified after his death. When he was alive people were competing for Bloodnames they later would have been unable to, like the Nova Cat Khan who was a biological (GASP!) daughter of the original Khan and went for her father's Bloodname.
LAMs just weren't part of the original 40 of the Clans (understandable since even at their height you wouldn't necessarily expect that) and when the Warrior caste became more and more inflexible about things having a vehicle that neither a MechWarrior nor an ASF pilot could use properly is hardly going to be on their list of priorities to use, particularly when trying to deal with a hostile living environment and limited resources.
>>44423531
That's pretty much how it works. In theory the Scientist caste can order two lower castemen to get jiggy with it and have kids, but in practice this seems to be rare and also doesn't mean that civilians can't be with whoever they want for the rest of the time.
>>44423846
>But like75%+ of the Concordat's fans (being REAL generous with that percentage too) are fans in Medron Pryde's mould
sounds like bullshit
>>44423122
It's recommended that you take whatever medron pryde and master arminas say with a giant grain of salt. Atlas-sized. And if you visit Medron's site, Pryde Rock Industries, ignore anything you find.
But it's also worth mentioning that the only thing worse in this community than factionfags are people with hatred of a faction, because it drives them to utterly shitpost without mercy. So also take claims like: >>44423846
>But like75%+ of the Concordat's fans (being REAL generous with that percentage too) are fans in Medron Pryde's mould
with a grain of salt equally big.
Generally if an anon here gets into a rant about how X% of Y faction's fans are [disparaging remark], just mark them as a salty sue and move on.
>>44419896
Got any other good combo mech ideas?
Probably really grasping here, but what clan is the most Teutonic/German? If you had to compare clans to countries, that is.
Failing that, what Clan is the most Lyran?
>>44423871
Mileage may vary based on clan...
>>44422942
Nobles in Battletech, not even once.
Re-reading through the old fluff, nobility in every faction are pretty much max out the scale of magical realm in the flavor of whatever their faction's stereotypical kink is supposed to be.
Not to say even normal MoC isn't pretty far into just about every magical realm it can find. There's nothing like lesbian cyber catgirl lance commanders to remind you that this is a game and you shouldn't take it too seriously.
>>44424946
The Ghost Bears and Coyotes are most like the Lyrans in terms of the 'Mechs they like.
No Clan is really influenced by Germany. Most are Russian, Scandinavian, Scottish, Welsh, and or a pastiche of Native American cultures.
>>44425106
>scandinavian
Which clan is the most scandinavian? Jade Falcon?
>>44425561
Kek, no.
Ghost Bears.
>>44423531
>As far as I can remember every other caste, from laborer to scientist, can live life like normal humans do
Aside from the extremely harsh repression and extremely low standard of living, yeah
>>44424313
>And if you visit Medron's site, Pryde Rock Industries, ignore anything you find
It has possibly one or two uses for people who aren't taurianfags: HMP/A files for a bunch of stuff, like all the old WarShips from 3057r and such, and as a "how not to write an AU" primer
It was also a good source of programs and stuff more than a decade ago, but that's not really important now
>>44421555
Funnily enough, I had about the same idea.
But with an SFE.
Hey /btg/ where can I find information on the way House Steiner fights?
>>44427463
Oh, good. It's "because every Clan is the Smoke Jaguars" o-clock. Now I can set my watch accordingly.
>>44430262
Houses don't really have over-arching combat styles (except maybe the Dracs). It's more that different Regiments have different tactical specialities. Some are noted city fighters, some are good at mobile combat, some are good defenders, etc.
The most you can really say about the Lyrans is that their production of heavier 'Mechs- while not as massively biased in their favour as some believe- means that they're generally slower than their neighbours and generally better on the defensive than on the offensive. But the Lyrans have a number of units that are speed and offensive specialists even so.
>>44424946
Who is the modern Nazi state analogue in BT?
The Republic of the Sphere?
>>44430313
If only they were, they'd all be cool.
>>44430408
RotS is more like 2015 Europe. Kinda interesting considering it was created in 2002
>>44430408
The real answer is Stefan Amaris. The RotS is more like America if it was even more spoopy secret squirrel shit.
>>44428952
that's quite a bit better than mine, I like it. especially as a fan of endo-for-XL swaps
(like this discount nightstar)
you got any fluff for that thing? I'd like to throw it in the pile of stuff for "XTRO:3058 everybody else" if you're OK with that
>>44430559
>you got any fluff for that thing?
How about your standard modernized forgotten SW or AoW-era design? it transitions to introtech pretty beautifully.
Say, it was a big dumb ballistic assault designed by some visionary whatsit who started his own company and factory, but bad business decisions or the rigors of the Succession Wars (probably some disruption of supply lines or nuking of the company's primary buyers (or maybe people just bought Awesomes instead)) caused the factory to be abandoned and the design forgotten. But then in thirty-fifty-late some mercenary command or historian found the factory somehow and tinkered with the design until that came out.
>>44430528
Don't forget the ethnic cleansing. RotS has the US beat for that.
>>44431042
>Don't forget the ethnic cleansing
nice AU, anon. Can you tell us more about it?
>>44431076
Forced relocations and mixing of populations to destroy their identity and replace it with a new one is ethnic cleansing. If Tito moved his population around to create a Yugoslav identity it would be the same thing.
>>44431685
Holy shit, I didn't know Donald Trump was a Battletech player too
the republic of the sphere DID intentionally shuffle the citizens of their planets around to homogenize them as The Republic, instead of former fedsuns, lyran, capellan, etc.
>>44431685
>encouraging integration is ethnic cleansing now.
Wow...
I think that goalpost just broke mach 1.
And even with that highly changed definition, the RotS has nothing on America.
>>44431685
>Forced relocations and mixing of populations to destroy their identity and replace it with a new one is ethnic cleansing.
Truly Canada's 'Multi-Culturalism' is morally superior to America's 'Melting Pot'.
God Save the Queen!
>>44432709
Is that even really...
I mean, pulling the trigger on calling that ethnic cleansing seems kinda premature.
Also what context do those relocations occur. Seems like something that could be justified depending upon the circumstances.
>>44431779
???
>>44433471
>>encouraging integration
Via forced relocations to destroy cultural identities, which is textbook ethnic cleansing.
>highly changed definition
kek
>>44433581
>Also what context do those relocations occur. Seems like something that could be justified depending upon the circumstances.
Completely indiscriminate in an attempt to break absolutely any shred of former national identity.
>>44433646
What's wrong with that? Who says people are allowed to have whatever national identity they want? If it serves the greater good, I think what Stone was doing is just.
>>44433681
But it didn't work at all. It was pointless uprooting and moving of people around that did absolutely nothing to stop them from keeping their former identities, or to stop the planets from defecting back to their former owners when the blackout came. Even in universe the republic admits it was a mistake. Only hardcore stoners think it wasn't.
>>44433736
I'm going to answer my own post to start out with, pointing out to myself that everything moves at the speed of plot and what the writers want, but I wonder why the "nationality" thing is even an issue when they say god knows how many times in the novels that most people don't really notice a change in planetary ownership.
>>44431076
>>44433471
>>44433581
>>44433681
I'd like to watch you tell a cossak or chechen or any number of other folks that forced relocations aren't ethnic cleansing
>>44433681
>the greater good
Tau pls, Battletech is a humans-only setting.
>>44433842
I'm pretty sure it was the 'death march' portion of the program that was the problem more than arriving at the destination.
I don't think even the Clans have figured out how to death march people through hyperspace, and I get the feeling at least some of them have put real thought into it.
>>44433797
Those are mostly the border worlds that don't really give a damn. Most interior populations are pretty nationalistic.
>>44433941
the death march portion was genocide. the forced relocation was ethnic cleansing. the two are not the same thing. almost all genocides (aside from political ones, as the soviet union often carried out) involve ethnic cleansing, but not all ethnic cleansing is genocide. the Arcadian deportations, for example, were ethnic cleansing but not genocide.
>>44434077
This... is an acceptable answer.
>>44433941
Thanks for reminding me of some actual US ethnic cleansing. I tend to think modern times, so was wondering how we're doing any "forced relocation" :D
Now if you want modern ethnic cleansing by population relocation, just look over to dat European Union.
>>44434123
It's not shitposting and bullshit AtB Mary Sues all the way down. I do actually have some knowledge of the setting.
>>44434162
except the EU doesn't send it's military to herd people onto transports to haul them to some random other country
(unless we're talking about what the soviets did in the baltics before the wall came down)
>>44434162
>Now if you want modern ethnic cleansing by population relocation, just look over to dat European Union.
that's a /pol/ meme
The EU has an obligation to be helping refugees from Africa and the Middle East, and it's heart warming that the EU is doing so and taking up the challenge of helping them find jobs and homes.
>>44434162
>popular artist for wildly racist game believes conspiracy that european countries are killing the white race by allowing in refugees from places they are systematically destroying
Why am I not fucking surprised Shimmy is a fucking white supremacist piece of shit.
>>44434458
lol
What's all this /pol doing in my Battletech? Oh, wait, that's just regular Battletech.
>>44434283
-t Ahmed
>>44434458
-t Azif
>>44434647
>-t Ahmed
>-t Azif
what does this even mean?
>>44434283
Who obligated the EU to do that?
>>44434283
>>44434458
Please continue to deny reality, meanwhile get your modern liberal leftist bs out of /btg/.
What the Republic did was ethnic cleansing with the objective to erase national identities which canon plainly states they acknowledged what they did and that it failed.
>>44434647
>loves tumblr:the faction
>is a complete /pol/fag
Namefags, everyone
>>44434683
/int/ joke
>>44434779
Just to provide sources. FM:3085, page 163: "Military enforcement of the relocation quotas would automatically kick in at certain levels and many within the Council objected..."
"...but not insignificant percentages were the result of military enforcement."
>>44433910
>>44433910
>Battletech is a humans-only setting.
But muh Far Country?!
>>44435910
fun fact: far country is canonically a fictional in-universe work
>>44434779
I mean sure, but this is hardly a blip on the radar of a universe that has regularly NBC'd entire planets and systems to extinction.
>>44436098
WoB did nothing wrong.
>>44434936
Surprisingly, neither of those things are mutually exclusive, despite what their three-word labels would lead you to believe.
>>44436213
They are directly responsible for Devlin Stone.
Your move.
>>44436275
Anastatius Focht is directly responsible for WoB.
Theodore Kurita is directly responsible for Anastatius Focht.
Hanse Davion is directly responsible for Frederick Steiner getting captured by Theodore Kurita.
Hanse Davion killed 100 million people.
It always comes back to being Hanse's fault.
Your move.
>>44436395
If you just let the fed suns win Hanse wouldn't have to kill people.
/fed suns fag
>>44436395
You have what, three links left to get back to Kevin Bacon?
>>44436098
Just because the Republic has less blood in its hands doesn't mean they're clean.
If anything, they seem to be quite interested in spilling more blood.
>>44436448
Hanse wouldn't have it any other way to sate his bloodlust.
>>44436453
Kevin Bacon is Hanse Davion's fault too.
>>44434972
We're those cultures even worth keeping around though?
Historically, there have been objectively terrible ethnicities. I don't think anyone but anthropologists want Aztecs back.
>>44436678
To the people who live in those worlds who were part of greater nations for hundreds of years and are now rebelling against Terra, yes, those cultures are worth keeping around.
Besides what makes you think you can decide that?
Also they're worth keeping around game wise because it provides future plot points that can be used like CGL is doing right now.
So I have a question about the War of 3039. I've read the sourcebook, but I never read the novels.
From time to time I recall people claiming the sourcebook retconned the war somehow, turning the Combine's victory around or something.
What's the discrepancy? What did the pre-SB info about the war of '39 say?
>>44437166
The initial presentation waaaay back when was that the FedCom basically exhausted themselves in the first couple of waves, and the Combine getting the fancy tech was what pushed it into a near loss for the AFFC. War of 3039 retcons the deployment numbers so that Hanse basically kicks the DCMS in the balls then decides to go home without Quentin because reasons.
>>44436470
Everyone has blood on their hands. You can't run a nation without killing innocents, usually in job lots.
>>44437982
That's my point, anon, the Republic has blood on its hands and there's no denying it. No matter how it's sugarcoated what they're doing is ethnic cleansing.
>>44438079
If there's no way to run a nation-state without getting blood on your hands, then there's absolutely no point in condemming it. If that's just the price of having civilization (as it seems to be), then folks just need to get over it. It's not something to be bothered by in that case. You might as well shit on the RotS (or any other faction, for that matter) for being made of people with two arms, or with mitochondria.
>>44438191
Condeming it is one thing I don't care since everyone in the game is doing it.
What I do care is trying to pass it off as something "good" when everyone can see it's not just because the Republic wants to maintain it's holier than thou attitude.
Let's not kid ourselves of what they're doing.
>>44438328
Good is relative. every nation does really bad shit occasionally. The differences are whether they KEEP doing it (Kurita, CapCon), and whether they really make an effort to avoid doing it in the first place or in successive times. If warcrimes are the first arrow out of the quiver every time, without looking at anything else, then yeah, you're a worse state, relatively speaking, then a state which looked for other options, found none, and resorted to the warcrimes because of a lack of other options.
>>44438696
Then the Republic is bad from the start.
>forced ethnic cleansing
>conquest of non-aligned worlds (either they joined or were invaded and the Republic wasn't taking no for an answer)
>abandoning of said worlds at the first sign of trouble
Etc,etc.
is there any decentlewdbattletech fanfiction out there?
>>44434596
sauce?
>>44439721
Fifty shades of mech
>>44439721
I jack it to The Inner Sphere in Flames TC factory info, if that counts.
>>44439818
This fuckin' guy.
>>44439818
excellent choice anon
take the bull by the horns every day
since we're talking fanfiction, I'd like to mention drakensis; at first I figured him for a taurianfag, but looking up more of his work makes that a bit questionable; there's a bit too much fedcom stuff for a proper taurianfag.
now that I think about it, like half of the shit he writes boils down to "hanse davion teams up with somebody and the CapCon gets BTFO even worse than in canon"
actually, I would 100% support his "the taurian gambit" as an alternate history for the concordat. why? because the taurianfags wouldn't know WHAT to do. it has the TC going full stronk, BUT it also has them as benefiting by going full bro with hanse and the FedCom. it'd drive the fuckers mad, it'd be great
>>44437166
Initial presentation in the 20-Year Update has the Dracs fighting better than expected against the FedCom, with Theodore leading a surprise counter-attack that threatened their supply lines and bluffing Hanse into folding, even though his advisors were saying to keep going and if they had they would have gutted the Combine. End result is a draw.
The detailed combat actions in the Historical show the FedCom stomping the everloving crap out of the Dracs in virtually every fight. Theodore's counter-attack achieves fuck all. Hanse has literally no reason to hold back but gives up and goes home because shut up, that's why. And even though the Dracs were rekt from one end to the other it's somehow pretty much a humiliating loss for the Suns, because the blurb at the back of the book says so.
Oh, and for added fun everyone is using Prototype tech even though they should have had access to fully-fledged versions of LosTech gear by then, and everyone in the Clan Invasion era who should be familiar with LosTech since they're using it widely is completely ignorant about it.
>>44427463
Only Smoke Jaguars did that because they went full retard. They ended up dead anyway.
Jade Falcon civilians enjoy the highest standards of living, but have to conform to the caste system and almost religiously.
Ghost Bears have the best camaraderie, even if they're not that economically sound throughout the centuries.
Clan Wolf are the most sensible, but the upper castes get most of the goodies while the average civvie gets to tough it out.
>>44419163
>Twilight of the Clans
>the clans are still the strongest powers afterwards
>only clan to die was the weakest invader that was never able to recover from Tukayyid
haha the things Spheroids tells themselves
>>44440644
>because the taurianfags wouldn't know WHAT to do.
Oh, anon. Gentle, naïve anon.
We know _exactly_ what they'd do.
First they would bitch that it took sucking Hanse's cock to get anywhere even though they clearly have the best industry, best education, most technologically adept citizens, most nukes and most willingness to use them, and best military in the setting.
Then they would bitch that it was _obviously_ a ploy by Hanse and the Federated Suns to set them up for complete destruction because the authors have nothing but hatred for them and want only to shit on them from a great height.
>>44443916
like a broken record
>>44443916
We get you're salty about Medron and his clique. Give it a rest for a day at least.
>>44443916
Every ding-dong day
>>44444026
>>44445207
>>44446031
>there couldn't possibly be more than person who's full of their bullshit
>that would be insane
There's literally a thread up now on the OF where they're whining about the Concordat not being the highest-tech state in the game, plus all the crap here.
But I tell you what. Don't post anything dumb about the Concordat here and I personally won't bite, though I can't speak for anyone else.
>>44446177
>There's literally a thread up now on the OF where they're whining about the Concordat not being the highest-tech state in the game, plus all the crap here.
No there isn't.
>>44446342
>No there isn't.
>http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=50359.0
Any way. Reading the Fan TRO from https://www.dropbox.com/s/nmpvpspajtfcfgp/TRO-%20Shadows%20of%20War%20(English)%20E1.pdf?dl=0 right now. The units aren't that bad, but the text for them is... Well.
Hopefully the /BTG?RO is better, si?
>>44446552
Well, hopefully.
>>44446552
>Minuteman
>11 Small Lasers
What the actual fuck?
>>44443916
>>44446031
>>44446462
I do have a question, though.
Since you clearly are monitoring the OFs all the time, and if the OF is do full of the taurianfagging that you hate so desperately, AND it has the actual posters you wish to argue against, then what the fuck are you doing here, boy?
>>44446462
I was unclear. Yes, there's a thread. No they're not whining about the things you said. They're bringing up reasonable and well-researched points of view regarding obvious inconsistencies in the game fluff. That's all.
>>44446177
There's only one shitposter that insists on being the anti-Medron of /btg/. None of us like him but we don't feel the need to talk about him every day.
So just shut up about the Taurians already,
>>44446625
Well I suppose it murders vehicles and BA if it can get close enough, and it certainly has the speed to get close.
It also has some horrid fucking fluff and costs way too much BV.
>>44447077
I just realized that almost every single mech in the TRO has maxed-out armor.
Every mech up until the 80-ton Persing mounts the maximum amount of leg armor.
What the hell
>>44447163
This sounds like a laugh.
Can someone post it I can't do drop box at work
>>44447077
No, I figured it out. Not minute as in the unit of time, minute as in size.
MINUTEman, SMALL lasers. Get it? Get it?
>>44447307
>Dammit Carlos, back to the Trinity Worlds with you!
What percentage of mercenary units do y'all think started life as rogue house units compared to those that started as pure mercs?
>>44447763
I guess it depends on what you mean by "rogue."
Rogue as in units that abandoned their House in the heat of battle? Not too many that would go on to survive, since the Houses have a vested interest in making sure that doesn't happen.
Ones that are "rogue" as in tell their House to shive it up their ass when their enlistments are up and then take their gear to go merc? Probably not an insignificant number, though a lot of those will either fold soon after or never be larger than a company as with most mercs.
>>44447681
Only if I can take Cassie Suthorn with me for some sweet, sweet Mary Sue action.
>>44447915
>Not wanting superior Lainie Shimazu
Seriously though, the Ghost Regiment crew were pretty fun
>>44447915
>Only if I can take Cassie Suthorn with me for some sweet, sweet Mary Sue action.
Why stick with a skinny waif? If all you want some Mary Sue action, you could have literally ANY character in Battletech.
The real question is this: what unit, faction or organization in battletech would produce the top waifu?
>>44448370
Hell's Horses.
>this may be because I was at a relation's over Xmas and couldn't save the CHH pinup that was posted, so hopefully this subtle hint will bait it back out to the thread.
>>44448370
>imprying
>>44448370
PURPLE BIRD
>>44447039
Rather reminds me of /pol/ and this comic
>>44448370
Ghost Bear.
Literally perfect and all about raising a family together. Plus min maxed to hell however you like her.
>>44448370
The real question is how would Michael Stackpole write a waifu?
>>44448714
Poorly.
>>44448714
Her name is omi
>>44448760
Too old and tall. Christmas cake. Plus wasn't it implied she wasn't a virgin before being with Victor?
2/10 would not kill 100 million Capellans for
>>44448370
waco rangers
>tfw you will never swear a blood oath against wolf's dragoons as part of your wedding vows
>>44448907
That's actually really cool.
>>44448792
>Christmas cake
wut?
>>44449151
jap thing.
they're all moderately pedo so they hate unmarried women over the age of 25
>>44419348
I got into BT from a used copy of TRO3025; I was fascinated by the stories it told about each mech, and wanted to learn more.
Lethal Heritage was my first novel, around the time the third book came out; I was around 17 at the time.
And yes, I liked it, and thought that Stackpole was the best BT author. His battles actually played out like they would on the table.
>>44449212
>they're all moderately pedo
lol
>>44446552
It's hot garbage, mostly.
What's with the crazy Amaris obsession, too?
But the Maus did give me an idea.
>>44449498
The Maus is just 100% why. I mean, between the looks and the loadout it may as well have just been a custom Sunder.
As for the other, AMARIS DID LITERALLY NOTHING WRONG stronk.
>>44420249
>A wholly-owned subsidiary of Quicksell, Inc.
>>44449861
It's a very simple, low-tech energy zombie.
I honestly really like the idea, but the execution was lackluster (large lasers, really?)
>>44449212
> they hate unmarried women over the age of 25
So Japan is like most of Europe until the 70s?
>>44450010
But large lasers are fukken' great, anon.
It's just that most designs that use them and LosTech do so in really retarded ways, like mixing them with SHS or not having anything to support them.
Something like this (I would build it as a 100-tonner, but I think you can get away with it being a Drac rebuild of Banshees they were buying from the open market more easily than having an entirely new 'Mech) will really ruin someone's day. PPCs at range, LLs a little closer in, ML spam if they want to get close, with an ECM Suite and C3 so it can use the guns effectively and work as the C3 Master's bodyguard.
>>44449974
I want to see a quicksell mech
>>44450163
That thing I really like it.... like more than I should.
>>44450416
I go back and forth between just that and having 2 PPCs and 3 JJs with an extra Medium.
Standard Large Lasers and PPCs still have a place when LosTech becomes a thing, but a lot of canon designs that rely on them find a way to derp it up and make them look bad.
>>44450146
What?
>>44450163
With ERMLs having nearly the same capacity in a brawl, and ERLLs, and ERPPCs having a much greater range over the thing, and LPPCs with both a range and damage/heat-ton advantage on the LL, it just isn't that great any more.
>>44450841
>With ERMLs having nearly the same capacity in a brawl
3 hexes and 3 points of damage in favour of the LL, though.
The LPPC is not as good a competitor as the SNPPC for the LL either.
But then both of those are at least a decade ahead of what you need to build that flashbulb any way.
How many clan mechs is too many for clan renegades to have?
>>44448370
Outworlds Alliance, no doubt.
>qt religious brown country girl fighter pilot
It'd be like top gun, but het
Is there anything better?no
>>44451396
I agree, but Outworlds Alliancedead
>>44451395
1. Most bandits use vees, or just guns. They don't usually take the fight to the clans, they hide.
>>44451395
A Binary or so is fine, especially if most or all of them are poorly maintained and sporting battle damage or don't have full ammo loads because of it.
Whipping full Galaxies out of their ass is obviously right out.Only the Jade Falcons are allowed to do that.
>>44451733
>Whipping full Galaxies out of their ass is obviously right out. Only the Jade Falcons are allowed to do that.
When did that happen?
>>44451719
I meant like renegade clan warriors. Like disgruntled middle age warriors going rogue or survivors of a dead clan (Burrocks, Jaguars, Cats, Spirits, Wolves-in-exile)
>>44451762
After the Refusal War, and again after Coventry. There's not even a magical warehouses sort-of explanation, it just happens.
The troops came from Elias Crichell's foresight and then sweeping up the Society sibkos, but their machines just pop out of thin air.
>>44451786
1-2 stars. A short trinery (11-14 mechs) at the absolute limit, and only half to a third should be omnis
>>44451807
Well they ended up holding all the battlefields in the end (and that salvage) and absorbing the Wolf remnants for a while, plus I think it was Crichell that also had the foresight to let Ulrich wear his frontline troops down on Falcon second-stringers. So the amount of frontline equipment they'd have to replace would be low.
>>44450555
Japan has a obsession with youth, their culture from what I remember considers anyone in their late 20s already old and on their way out.
>>44452239
What exactly are you basing this on? Anime?I lived in Japan for eight years after college, and I'm moving back to Ōtsu in March for my work.
>>44452326
Don't criticize anime, it's amazingly insightful and accurately perceptive of Japanese culture and norms.
>>44446552
Okay, this thing is unironically great.
>>44452654
>what do you want this to look like, senpai?
>just fuck a behemoth's shit up
>ok
>>44452654
>plasmarauder
>>44452326
Not entirely on anime but that was what lead me to look it up. It's pretty much what we see in the US with people considering late teens/young adulthood the best time of someone's life.
>>44452826
Forgot to mention, by the late 20s you're already expected to have a family and career and women above that age are considered to have missed their chance.
In the US we think the same but at later ages. Near 40 or so.
>>44451495
No, thery really aren't.
They just have "dem dam aliums stealin' our cows" now, that the news calls "benevolent and advanced Clan protectors", but dagummit they know better.
Read some of the fluff on the Raven Alliance, they are actually pretty awesome when their Kahn isn't being the biggest backstabbingheroof the setting.
>>44453151
>No, thery really aren't.
Yeah they are. They're Ravens now.
A farewell to Outworlds.
>>44453151
>>44453226
May I point out that an entire province of the OA declared independence rather than live under raven rule? THEY, at least, retain the true outworlds spirit
>>44452654
I see the art and all I can think is Plasmarauder.
>>44453348
All I see is a 5/8 walking lyran warcrime.
Which is sweet.
>>44452654
I still don't get how something with that many plasma rifles is Lyran and not Cap/WoB.
>>44453752
The people who invented the firedrake like plasma weapons, who would have thought.
You have 10 seconds to explain why you don't main Regulan Hussars.Lyrans are exempt from replying as we all know you have bad taste.
/btg/ TRO when?
