How does torturing people save the DEldar from Slaanesh, exactly? I don't see why Slaanesh would care if they make other people suffer or why doing so would have any effect on their soul. Is there any kind of reasoning to this or is it just to give them an excuse for being so edgy?
>>44373396
Simple. Dark Eldar feed off intense emotions like psychic vampires. Since they're snobby and vicious, they only care about inflicting intense pain. Slaanesh drains them, and they drain mon'keigh etc. and each other faster.
>>44373396
Head cannon for this behavior is that because they were cloistered away for the psychic scream slannesh gave off, they are basically doomed to commit the same hedonistic acts that gave him power. This makes them both subservient to his values, but at the same time they hate his guts because if they don't, there are real repercussions.
I like to envision pain as the ultimate climax of these actions. After some literal experimenting the DEldar found pain, both personal and vicariously experienced, was the top of the rung to restore the soul juice, so to speak.
This also explains why Haemonculi are so favored amongst the powerful of commoragh, because they are basically a living barber shop of pain.
>>44373396
Slaanesh slowly sucks out their souls and they top their souls up by absorbing intense emotions from other beings. It turns out pain and suffering is the fastet and most efficent way to do this because 40k.
>>44373396
In their older codexes, they didn't really feed of the pain, they fed of souls. Like, literally consuming souls. Pain just made the souls more tasty.
Part of that is still there, they empower their own souls that are slowly being drained through the psychic vampirism of the suffering of others. Think of a Dark Eldar's soul as a dwindling flame, and pain as the wood that keeps the flame burning just a little bit longer.
Why don't they steal a Necron bio-forge and turn themselves in Eldacrons?
They would be free of Slaanesh and be truly immortal.
>>44373864
Cause they're still snooty Elves. They'd never stoop to that level.
>>44373396
Hey, isn't this the guy who draws WoW girls with huge dicks?
>>44374227
Unfortunately, you're going to have to be more specific.
Probably half of all WoW porn artists draw girlymen at some point.
>>44374227
It's Lucien, yes.
>>44374227
>>44374362
Lucien yes, kinda. He has a setting and writes really long stories about organised demon rape and stuff. In case you're interested it's called Dominion's Chain. It got pictures drawn to most chapters.
Hellraiser, that's why.
They're space elf cenobites. That's it.
Most of 40k is just straight up shit that was cool in the 80s with some gothic space fantasy crap smeared over it.
40k lost a lot of what made it great when everything stopped being the wargaming equivalent of a Heavy Metal magazine cover.
Why is nobody working on a permanent solution, like sealing the drain off? Feeding on pain and suffering works, but it's temporary and sooner or later you're going to run out of victims.
>>44374643
Not if you breed them. And forced breeding causes even more suffering! Imagine that!
>>44374643
>implying the dark Eldar are that capable of that level of foresight
>>44373396
The d Eldar are psychic vampires there natural psychic gifts are gone because their should are slowly being drained, they feed on extream emotions it doesn't have to be tourture it's just the quickest and easiest path available to top themselves off on soul juice so to speak, they are only feeding slaneesh in a round about way it's like they are a milkshake and slaneesh is drinking them through a straw and tourture is extra milkshake they can pour in the glass to keep it topped off
>>implying that the answer isn't just them being grimdark
>>44374227
Is uh... Is there any art? Just, you know, for reference.
>>44374773
Kek
>>44373751
>because 40k.
that's all you needed to say
>>44373396
Imagine a glass of water. The glass is you. The water is your soul. Imagine the glass has a small hole at the bottom, draining the water out. It's a slow, messy process, but eventually the glass will be emptied. You can't fix the glass and it's the only glass you have, so the solution to keeping the glass full is to fill it with more water. But you don't have water and everything you try to fill the glass with just drains too fast. You only have quantum sex toys and psychic pain and esoteric torture and drugs made out of everything crystallized alien fetuses to literally draining and condensing despair into liquid form.
Basically, you work with what you got.
>>44374841
why don't they just do what regular eldar do to survive?
>>44374862
Because they believe Craftworld Eldar are denying their truest nature. The Dark Eldar are basically a direct continuation of Pre-Fall Eldar. They refuse to let go of their position as the highest form of life in the universe. In a way, they're winning the argument since the craftworlds float around aimlessly and neither thrive nor decay. Comorragh thrives eternally so long as there are planets and people to enslave.
>>44373435
So on theory they could do the job by inflicting heavenly pleasures but are too cruel to consider it?
>>44373885
Hence the lack of wraith constructs
>>44374917
Their idea of pleasure has kind of gone beyond basic physical sensations, I think. Look at some of the haemonculi who devote themselves to scientifically unlocking the secrets of killing esoteric ideas like hope or joy. Dark Eldar operate on a completely different level from humans.
>>44374882
They also have, IIRC, the most advanced technology in the setting aside from the Necrons, and in certain areas even then. The Craftworld Eldar have been forgetting every non-essential technological wonder from the golden days of their empire at about the same rate as the Imperium was, while the Dark Eldar have continued to advanced bit by bit, creating and maintaining marvelous machinery that looks like sorcery. At least in the fluff.
>>44374917
Maybe? But She Who Thirsts is all about the excess. You'd need to create a fuckton of pleasure for you and your victims to reach the same level of satisfaction Slaanesh gets from pain and suffering. The DEldar are too dickish to do that instead.
>>44374643
>>44374673
Are you kidding, most Deldar secretly love that their favorite hobby is now good for their health, ultimately it comes down to the fact that they are the assholes who learned nothing, a dark eldar can actually renounce their lifestyle, join a craft world and get a soul stone with no problem
>>44374862
Because the Craftworld Eldar live like weird monks and deny their strongest emotions and desires. The Dark Eldar think this is weakness, and are unwilling to give up their pleasures and sensations just to ward off Slaanesh. One might even say the "regular" Eldar are the Dark Eldar, as they have continued the life style which is traditional for their race while the Craftworlders have set up this weird system of ascetic self-denial.
>>44374947
Did you think I was joking when I said quantum sex toys? Archon's wife gets bored while her husband's away, so she indulges in some chemical superweapons to kill a planet and uses her horrible tesseract prison to unleash some unthinkable tentacle monster to fuck her while watching an entire species being vitrified and sipping on wine made from the tears of widows coupled with space marine heart.
Dinner and a movie.
>>44374950
To be fair, the craft worlders seem to have more empathy, not much but enough to not see the lesser races as nothing but prey
>>44374973
>cucking the Archon
>his suffering feeds Slaanesh
>>44374979
Basically the Craftworld Eldar used to be the equivalent of Jehova's Witnesses to regular Eldar and now Dark Eldar. Exodites were/are Amish.
>jagatai khan will never lead the forces of the imperium to blow commoragh up
>>44374987
In reality, though, she just needs him to suffer in that very specific fashion to pay off a haemonculi for poison she wants. Fast forward a cycle and her major political rival takes a huff of their favorite space cocaine and it turns their blood into napalm.
>>44375000
>he already has
>>44375021
>>44375000
>willingly following the Dark Eldar into the Webway like an idiot
Sasuga, Jaghatai Khan.
Might as well ask here
I've been interested in 40k for a while ever since I made /tg/ my homeboard due to all that flavor. What's the best place to start when reading the lore?
>>44374979
No, they see lesser races as objects, not even prey. "A billion humans are not worth a single eldar live" like redirecting tyrannids to human sectors, or straight murdering colonists in maiden worlds. They just don't kill everything down because they lack the manpower.
>>44375042
Yeah, that's basically it. Only he needs to also peel off the skin from his face, wear another guy's face, and attach a giant pump to his back that feeds venomous toxins into his veins so he can spray it at you while also doing his space cocaine while also flaying you and your family.
But, even after doing all of that, he comes home to Comorragh and tells everyone how rad it was, and they all just roll their eyes and tell him that flaying was so last season.
>>44374987
>archon enjoys the cucking
>his lust feed Slaanesh
>>44375000
*Jaghatai
>>44375028
>no doom wad where you play as Jaghatai and rip and tear dark eldar
>>44375054
probably Dawn of War.
then realize that fucking relic makes better characters than GeeDubs pet authors.
>>44375072
Man Deldar are amazing. Awful but truly amazing.
>>44375054
You could play some of the vidya games if you enjoy such things. The Dawn of War series and Space Marine are enjoyable and will give you a decent idea of the general gist of things.
>>44375054
Get yourself some codex scans because fuck buying that shit.
>>44374942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKfupO4ZzPs
>>44375054
I got into it accidentally through TvTropes and 1d4chan. Go to them if you want shortened explanations of the setting tempered by the opinions of fans and players, which gives you a lot of meta-insight into the game overall. The Lexicanum and 40k wiki are good to elaborate on everything you learn about later.
And like >>44375096 says, some of the video games are good entry-level gateways into the setting, showing off the most prominent parts of the setting.
>>44375100
See, they're probably my favorite group tied with Chaos. Mostly because in a setting where everyone and their mother is an evil bastard, why not be an evil bastard in the most magnificent way possible?
>>44375079
Are there any good 40k Doom WADs?
>>44375122
>warhammer is a setting that has football hooligans fighting cenobites.
and suddenly all is well with the world.
>>44375150
why boner?look around anon, there is bound to be a few
>>44375072
See, complete exsanguination is what's fashionable now, along with surgically extracting the brains of your captives and shoving them inside glass jars filled with acid-tipped needles that overload the now lobotomized slave with hyper-hormones, leaving them frothing, brainless death machines that you then unleash on their former friends and family. Dejected, the Archon returns to his massive tower built with flesh and non-Euclidean geometry to see his wife and surprise! She sold their firstborn tube fetus so she can get that surgery she wanted to fuse her legs together like a snake, tipped with a stinger filled with that venomous toxin he likes so much injected right into his third implanted baby heart.
And he lives happily ever after.
>>44375218
you just know, somewhere an intern for GW is writing/screencapping this down for future reference
Anyone else feel like the Dark Eldar should of been destroyed by now?
Either by accidentally taking in a psyker and having countless Slaaneshi daemons popping in
Or just the politics making the Dark City impossible to sustain itself
Or Slaanesh finally posses them all...
I just feel like this has gone on too long. Or would that upset the status quo... God forbid.
>>44375272
You do know that the dark city is well prepared for that sort of shenanigans. If everything else fails, overlord Vect can just shut off all the webway gates leading to a compromised section of the city in order to contain whatever is going wrong in the city that time.
It's not like deamonic invasions are a thing Commoragh has not faced before.
>>44375272
And get rid of my favorite models in the game? Fuck no. I don't care what hoops they have to jump through to keep DEldar around in the fluff, those minis are too sexy to die.
>>44373396
Slaanesh is a tug all Eldar feel constantly pulling at their souls. When Slaanesh was born he called dibs on the Eldar and his hunger means that he slowly drains their souls away if they are not protected.
Some guy here made a comparison of a glass with a tiny hole in the bottom that keeps leaking (no not in a lewd way) but that's basically it. Slaanesh drains and feeds on their souls. The soul stones of the CWE work like some cork they can plug in that hole (I'm unsure if exodites use them as well).
But then they must keep the waters as calm as possible to prevent it from topping over and the warmask of aspect warriors is like a lid on top of that same metaphorical glass with a hole.
DEldar have found a way to replenish that glass by adding more "water" in it, through pain and suffering. There is a scene in the Path if the Eldar book were the CWE protagonist walks in the middle of an archons reception room, cozy little place with slaves in subtle but constant pain and DEldar fucking left and right around you. For the CWE it creates a miasma of disgust, some very heavy, vile atmosphere, but for DEldar it's like a room with air conditioning on and plush cushions because here Slaanesh isn't pulling as hard. Something a CWE doesn't feel as much as DEldar.
As for why torture, it's easier, edgier, and someone somewhere magical realmed a bunch of sadist BDSM space elves in the setting.
>>44375305
I just want Slaanesh to win just once.
Just ONCE. Aside from the Fall of the Eldar..
>>44375305
Actually, there is something called "Gate of Khaine" it's a portal to the Realm of Chaos that cannot be isolated. Once it opens, the Dark City, all of it will drown in daemons.
Vect is already making plans to escape the Dark City and go found another one.
>>44375234
YO GEE DUBS CALL ME
I WILL WRITE YOUR SHIT
I NEED MONEY FOR FOOD
>>44375351
And when he does Jaghatai will rip him apart from limb to limb
>>44375351
I know of it, but again, even if the corespur of Commoragh fails, there are still countless webway subrealms, so at worst, the gate opening would merely scatter the Deldar into numerous smaller realms scattered across the webway, instead of them all being interconnected via Commoragh.
Khaine's Gate is in no way, the end of the Dark Eldar.
>>44375315
This is why I love /tg/. Such elegant use of a glass of water to adequately explain BDSM space elves.
>>44375345
Slaanesh killing of 99 % of the eldar is not enough for you?
>>44375368
It's their end as an organized faction.
>>44375364
>Jaghatai actually became a Daemon Prince and the DEldar trapped him in the Gate of Khaine. He's been waiting very patiently.
>>44375378
this.
I want the faggots that raped the mineworld and flayed the qt inquistor to suffer.
>>44375378
No it isn't.
Kabals would still exist, raids would still continue and lesser races would still be tortured to death to stave of their thirst. At worst, it would mean that massive, multi kabal raids would become far rarer.
And in time, a new commoragh would be born, as a strong enough faction would unite the scattered subrealms into a cohesive whole once more.
>>44375396
>trying to feed Slaanesh
What are you? A Heretic?
>>44375403
No Dark City mean there is no one to enforce the kabal system or Vect's policies. Each kabal and coven will his own thing.
They will be like scattered rats in the Webway. Dodging the ever increasing daemon and necron horde that keep pouring into the Webway.
>>44375429
>Necron horde in the webway
wait, when did that happen?
>>44375389
>a doomrideresque demon prince ripping and tearing space elves.
>>44375440
Since their 5th ED codex.
>>44375403
but they would be disorganized and scattered.
an excellent opportunity for the discerning inquisitor to make their mark by slaughtering dEldar scum.
>>44375412
hey, the more eldar die, the closer their memegod is near formation.
they should seriously kill themselves and speed up the process.inb4 its only the CWE
>>44375429
Their own*
>>44375454
Ah. Well, I'm sure the Crafrworlders would help the DEldar if the Webway's in danger. It's their primary means of transportation, after all.
>>44375429
Yeah, but the Kabal system itself is so heavily ingrained into the Deldar culture by now, that even the destruction of Commoragh would probably not be enough to completely erase it. If anything, Commoragh going bust would further just reinforce the Kabals, as survivors would no doubt flock under their banners in hopes of safety.
Again, Commoragh being destroyed would not be the end of the Dark Eldar. The survivors would scatter across the webway like a swarm of locusts, fortifying their surviving subrealms, and conquering new ones by force. If anything, Commoragh destruction would ultimately make the Deldar far more dangerous, as it would prevent them from being kept under the thumb of a single ruler who in some ways, keeps them in check.
Destroying Commoragh would be like popping a spider nest. Instead of killing the inhabitants as one would hope to do, you now have countless of spiders running everywhere, some of which will no doubt die, but the others, will grow, mature and spawn their own spider nests in time.
>>44375479
>inquisitors
>being able to do shit to the Dark Eldar.
>>44375490
Pretty sure the Craftworlders will have their hands busy with the 13th Black Crusade and defending the Black Library.
The Dark Eldar have to fend for themselves.
>>44375479
>discerning Inquisitor
it sounds like you're fishing for a plot hook for your Dark Heresy group.
>>44375049
I like to think Jaghatai has been in a Dark Eldar torture cell ever since he entered the Webway, his superhuman endurance providing them with new and interesting ways to discover the utmost extremes of suffering.
>>44375516
>scattered kabals
>not being brutally beaten up by the imperium.
Shits gonna be like rwanda with DEldar being the tutsi cockroaches.
>>44375553
>Wolfenstein 3d is literally Jaghatai escaping from his cell and going full murderhobo on the dark eldar, ending with him killing hitler/vect.
>>44375553
>tfw he got so used to the pain that they had to try excessive pleasure instead.
>Khan's been Lelith's personal fucktoy for centuries. He's okay with it.
>>44375580
How is the Imperium going to brutally beat up the Kabals when they can't fucking enter the realm they make their homes in?
Commoragh being destroyed doesn't change the fact that Imperials got no fucking way to enter the webway, and even if they somehow found a way inside, the Eldar operate within the webway on so many levels above humans, that they would have no problem with evading, and eradicating any imperial interlopers within the webway.
And it's not like the Imperials can defend their worlds any better from Deldar raids, seeing how those happen without forewaring and are over in few hours, or days at most, which is way too fast for imperial response.
No way you slice it, the Imperium can't really do shit to the Dark Eldar. The only legit threats to them come from Chaos, and maybe Necrons, or from the Craftworld Eldar, though the CWE and DE are on relatively decent terms.
Imperials are completely impotent against the Dark Eldar.
>>44375272
Why would they be destroyed? They're one of the most technologically advanced people in the galaxy, they don't face the imminent extinction that threatens the Craftworlders, and they live in a location where basically no one else can threaten them. Khaine's Gate is a bit of a problem, but other than that they should be perfectly fine.
>>44375054
In addition to the vidyas/codex/wikia : Ciaphas Cain and Eisenhorn novels are IMO quite interesting starting materials to enjoy the lore as well as decent books.
I would say Horus Heresy books too but some (most?) of them are really crap.
>>44375618
This. This so hard. I'm not even an Elf-fag and I know this is the truth.
>>44375633
The Dark Eldar will be destroyed though, Khaine's Gate is about to burst open. No Eldar will be spared from the wrath of Chaos.
>>44373396
>edgy
Stop. Stop using edgy to describe everything you've decided isnt 'legit' enough to exist as is - in a fictional setting created by someone else.
Stop spamming edgy you parroting faggot.
>>44375378
It would be the end of Commoragh as a city, but Asdruabel Vect and Urien Rakarth are secretly preparing to move themselves and their favoured subjects into the realm of Neo-Commoragh. So if Khaine´s Gate is breached it will kill many, many Dark Eldar and they might not be so much of a threat anymore, but it will not be the end of their race nor their Kabal system.
>>44375681
they are edgy though.
sick and twisted and spiky and shit.
>>44375675
And the Imperium will collapse and the Craftworlders will die out and the Tyranids will eat everyone and bla bla bla. Everyone is permanently on the brink of collapse without anything ever happening.
>>44375618
>imperium cannot win against the Dark eldar
>cannot win against orks
>cannot win against nids
>lose to the fucking tau
>the everchosen is coming to kick their shit in during the storm of chaos.
Throw the imperium a fucking bone GeeDubs.
>>44375675
You're speculating. The DEldar aren't just a bunch of dopey humans waiting around for the apocalypse to come. They're consistently the most intelligent and calculating people of the 41st Millennium. Any story that actually opens the gate and spills daemons into Commorragh would probably end with them solving the problem dramatically and going back to the status quo.
>the rebel alliance will be destroyed though, the Death Star is about to blow up Yavin. No rebel will be spare from the wrath of the Empire.
Something something deus ex machina into the thermal exhaust port.
>>44375618
>ot no fucking way to enter the webway
Actually, the Admech have captured Webway gates they use to traverse the webway. The Admech even used the gateways to reach the Dark City and bargain with the Dark Eldar.
>>44375742
Half of those factions can't beat the Imperium either though. The DEldar may be way beyond the Imperium in terms of tech and knowledge, but they hardly have the numbers to start an all-out conquest. They're just a nuisance. A very advanced, nearly unbeatable nuisance, but a nuisance none the less.
>>44375743
>Commorragh would probably end with them solving the problem dramatically and going back to the status quo.
Nope, the gateway cannot be isolated. It opens, the city is lost.
Only Vect and Malys know what's actually going on and are trying to do something about it but they are too stupid to see that they are on each others side so they are currently at each others throats. As for the rest of the Dark Eldar kabals? They are clueless about what's hoing on. Vect, to cover his plans, ordered them out of the city in a great raid to capitalize on the End Times mayhem.
It's only Vect and Malys and the countdown timer that is Khaine's Gate.
>>44375771
>admech will trade memes with the dark eldar but won't use STCs for better fucking radios for guardsmen
Why don't the Dark Eldar use their super advanced technology to do anything? I mean, they have tech that allows them to resurrect anyone as long as they have a single body part. That's basically magic compared to the tech of the other races. Do they seriously have nothing better to do than dick around in the Dark City all day?
>>44374917
I want to see a porn parody of WH40K where Edgelards are a bunch of whores who kidnap people to suck them off.
>>44375799
Forget to add something to the post.
Since this will happen in the End Times. Either Vect or Malys are going to die.
Vote now. Who do you want to survive and become the Overlord of the Dark Eldar survivors?
>>44375865
Vect 100%
>>44375801
U mad guardsman? Deldar memes are the dankest
>>44375903
man, the techpriests really need thosse memes badly, huh
>>44374917
Why don't they do both? If they'd first make people feel an excess of pleasure, the torture that comes afterwards would be even more horrid by comparison.
>>44375516
You also have to remember that Commorragh is not one giant realm. It's many different sub-realms that are all connected and considered to be part of one city. If an actual threat managed to invade a part of Commarragh, the other parts could just close off access to that sub-realm (they've done it before) and just continue on as usual.
>>44375771
Source on that?
Also, the Admech having something =/= rest of the imperium ever getting to use it.
The Admech are a bunch of secretive dicks that hate to share their toys. If they got working webway gates, you bet your ass that they ain't gonna let others use it for free.
>>44376012
Didn't they look up the Deldar to seek their aid in repairing the Golden Throne?
>>44376110
Yeah, but I don't recall that entry stating that they actually possessed webway gates of their own.
Them getting into contact with the Deldar doesn't necessitate them having access to webway gates after all.
>>44376010
The two admech codexes of course
>>44376010
For the 100th time. Khaine's Gate cannot be isolated. It won't happen to one section of a city. It's a city wide disaster that will doom the entire city.
>>44376134
>I don't recall that entry
Try reading that Forgeworlds entry then. Even in the Timeline it has them using a gateway to travel into the Webway where they fight daemons and murder clowns to reach the Dark City.
>>44376179
Why don't they just move somewhere that isn't right next to a portal into the warp?
>>44373396
>Scrolling down page
>Friend says "hey, go back up a bit?"
>Do it
>It's OP pic
>"Huh, that looks familiar"
>Say nothing
>Know my friend has at least seen Lucien's unforgivable horsecock porn
>huehuehuehue
>>44376209
Only Vect and Malys know about the Gate. The rest don't.
>>44376179
>For the 100th time. Khaine's Gate cannot be isolated.
Based on what.
Nothing in the Deldar dex entry about that shit makes any mention of it being something that can't be isolated.
>>44375618
>the CWE and DE are on relatively decent terms.
They are? I honestly had no idea. Can you elaborate?
Which is worse, solving the Lament Configuration or getting kidnapped by Deldar?
Or are Cenobites just Deldar spilling into other universes?
>>44376498
Eldars will torture you for a long time but not all eternity so solving Lament Configuration is way worse.
>>44376455
Despite everything, they're still Eldar. Would you rather work with another sentient being or a monkey? They don't like each other and both think the others are degenerate losers, but in the end it's still better than lowering yourself to the level of the disgusting parasite animals that infest the galaxy.
>>44376521
I'm pretty sure that the dark eldar are capable of some soul fuckery to make your torment last forever.
>>44376584
They could, but once you're a broken husk of a human being who is barely even capable of independent thought anymore, your suffering will be mediocre compared to that of a fresh victim. So eventually you'll be disposed of, or turned into a grotesque.
>>44376231
Yes, it does.
>>44376633
This is pretty dumb. They have all kinds of miracle tech but can't move their city?
>>44375618
>the Imperium can't really do shit to the Dark Eldar
Dark Eldar are in a funny position desu.
>they can't let the Emperor die, because that would superboost Chaos and deprive them of human slaves so Slaanesh eats them all
>if the Emperor gets reborn after humanity achieves it's psyker potential, they will have to fend off Great Crusade 3: Webway Boogaloo
>>44376633
Nothing in that says that it can't be contained m8.
>>44376812
According to other pieces written, they have attempted to do so, but if it opens, daemons can, and will, stream in, and how long can you prevent an infinite army of hostile creatures from beating down your doors, especially without the psychic defenses such as the Imperium and Eldar use?
>>44376850
By severing connection with that place from every other webway realm except the one where Vect deposited a black hole in.
Bye bye deamons.
>>44376812
Oh stop being a deluded little knife ear. If it can be contained Vect wouldn't be planning of running away or have wasted years and resources trying to contain it.
Says right there it cannot be severed or shut.
>>44376894
Forgot my picture.
>>44376890
Nope. You can't cut it off from the Dark City. You think Vect didn't try?
>>44376936
Then leave a black hole in the Dark City while all the Deldar bugger off and build a new one somewhere else.
>>44376894
The rent can't be severed or shut you mong. What Vect is planning on doing is precisely containing the thing. Let it burst open in the corespur of Commoragh, then seal that place shut, and continue on in a different webway realm. You are acting like that rent somehow reaches every webway realm, which is blatantly untrue.
>>44375306
You know the deldar wearing helmets look badass as fuck, but when they take them off they just look like a retarded 80's boy band and its groupies.
>>44376936
You don't need to sever it from the dark city you mong. You just need to contain it within the Dark city, which is perfectly doable by what we know of how the Dark City works. It is not a singular fucking place. It is composed of countless distinct webway realms that are interconnected via dimensional gates. If necessary, all of those gates can be shut off. The Gate just happens to be in a very inconvenient position in the corespur of the Dark City, so Vect would rather not have to resort in such extreme methods unless he absolutely has to.
>>44376947
Why do you think a Blackhole would bother daemons who can shape reality like clay? The Chaos rift beneath the city will shallow the blackhole, not the other way around.
Vect little trick only destroyed one sub-realm. Khaine's Gate is going pour Chaos into the whole city and its sub-realm.
They can escape to somewhere else in the webway but they will never be able to rebuild the infrastructure and splendour of the Dark City.
>>44377012
Why not? It's not like they have anything better to do.
>>44377003
>>44376956
I am not saying that the Gate of Khaine is connected to the entirety of the Dark City and it cannot be severed. The City once the Gate opens is lost. The Dark Eldar will either die or retreat to somewhere else in the Webway.
>>44377012
>Vect little trick only destroyed one sub-realm. Khaine's Gate is going pour Chaos into the whole city and its sub-realm.
Based on what?
Again, it is located in a single sub realm, that can be sealed off if necessary. Nothing about it's fluff indicates that it somehow reaches every subrealm in the commoragh.
>>44377047
Except Vect is making a new Dark City somewhere. And the Covens are doing the same.
The City is a goner. Also the shaking of Khaine's gate is affecting all the gateways in the city.
>>44375071
So you think the craft world's would be wiping out all life the same as the imperium if they had the ability?
>>44375071
That philosophy needs to be taken in the context of the Ynnead plan. Human souls do not contribute to the eventual destruction of slaneesh, eldar souls do. When consider it like that it's hard to disagree!
>>44377083
Biel-Tan is making a good attempt at it even now.
>>44377045
It is located in a single subrealm of the Dark City. It can be sealed off, just like Shadoom and the realm where the black hole was dumped in were sealed off.
This realm just happens to be inconviniently important.
And the fact that Vect is making a new city doesn't necessarily indicate that the Dark City itself is 100% doomed. Vect is just making preparations for worst case scenarios.
>>44377117
Nope, anon, you are acting deluded here, It cannot be sealed off or else Vect would have done it and be done with it like he did effortlessly many times before. Instead he is pouring considerable resources and is putting himself in a vulnerable position with Malys just to make sure the Gate does not open and he is failing.
The Shaking of the Gate is causing the gateways across the Dark City to flicker. The Warp raging with the opening of the Eye is already causing sub-realms to collapse. What you think is going to happen when Khaine's Gate opens and exposes the Dark City to the rage of the warp firsthand
Khaine's gate
>>44377186
Vect doesn't seal off entire subrealms, especially ones part of the "core" of Commoragh, lightly.
Him trying to prevent the gate opening instead of just giving up and sealing the realm is perfectly in character of him.
And besides, even if the gate opens, and your retarded doomsday scenario happens, the Deldar can simply just start a new commoragh in some other webway realm, with blackjack and hookers. Face it, no matter how much you want the Deldar to be destroyed, it simply won't happen. They are the faction with the most secure position in the setting.
Hell, the whole Khaine's gate bullshit is in itself a recent addition to give them a "vulnerability" of sorts, because before it, they were practically untouchable.
>>44377112
Bel-tan are idiots
>>44377277
Biel-tan are awesome. If the rest of the Eldar would spend less time dicking around and more time murdering everyone, they'd get a lot more done.
>>44377259
>Vect doesn't seal off entire subrealms, especially ones part of the "core" of Commoragh, lightly.
Nowhere does that state that and the region the gate is located is nit said to be important. Few people outside of Vect know that it even exists.
>Him trying to prevent the gate opening instead of just giving up and sealing the realm is perfectly in character of him.
It isn't. He plays it safe. That's how his character goes according to his potrayal in, Path of the Archaon. The whole Gate situation has him in a tough position with Malys and is leaving him vulnerable.
If thee is an easier solution , he would have done it by now.
>And besides, even if the gate opens, and your retarded doomsday scenario happens, the Deldar can simply just start a new commoragh in some other webway realm, with blackjack and hookers. Face it, no matter how much you want the Deldar to be destroyed, it simply won't happen. They are the faction with the most secure position in the setting.
I don't strawman. I don't want the Dark Eldar destroyed. I am just saying that their city is lost. like I said a dozen times, they can retreat to whereever they want in the Webway but the losses of population, powerbases, and infrastructure will leave them a shadow of their former selves.
And considering it's the End Times, they wouldn't have time to settle down. They will either have to exit the Webway and join their craftworld cousins in their war against Chaos or be extinct because if the galaxy falls, the Dark Eldar know that the Webway is next.
>>44377366
Don't strawman*
>>44377186
Stop endlessly repeating yourself you fucking tard. It's already been stated clearly that the dark city isn't even a single location in the webway. If khaines gate bursts open, they'll lose sections of the city, sure.
Those areas will be sealed off and that will be the end of it. Is that so fucking hard to understand?
>>44377366
The city is lost when it is lost. Right now, the only thing the fluff indicates is that the Khaine's gate might cause some shit to go down in the city, not that it is doomed with 100% certainty like you keep insisting.
>>44377366
>but the losses of population, powerbases, and infrastructure will leave them a shadow of their former selves.
Disregarding the issue of whether or not the gate would affect all of the city, why should it be so cataclysmic? They have the tech to resurrect people from nothing, to draw energy from other universes and to move black holes, but they can't just move their city and people somewhere else without getting destroyed? That's retarded.
>>44375940
Not as badly as you need better STC for your flashlight.
>>44374773hentai foundry
>>44377411
Nah. The Gate of Khaine is presented as a threat to the whole city.
Though, the rest of the Webway might be fine.
>>44377422
Anon, the opening of the gate is stated to be cataclysmic event. Things are going go down. The Dark City is going down.
>>44377427
Vect and Covens have stacked up their stuff and junk. The rest of the Kabals have no idea what's going on. They are raiding and having the time of their lives. When the Gate opens, all their shit is gonna get jacked by daemons.
>>44373396
they look like fucking chavs
>>44377502
>Things are going go down.
Certainly.
>The Dark City is going down.
This is just your fanwank though.
>>44377521
>This is just your fanwank though.
Search your feeling, anon. You know it to be true.
>>44377502
>Vect and Covens have stacked up their stuff and junk. The rest of the Kabals have no idea what's going on. They are raiding and having the time of their lives. When the Gate opens, all their shit is gonna get jacked by daemons.
So the DEldar are going to be destroyed as a faction by randomly behaving like complete idiots and just allowing everything they have to be destroyed, in the process empowering their greatest enemy?
>>44375054
there's also The Vaults of Terra and If the Emperor had a text to speech device, this former being a serious lore channel with stuff from the books games and whatnot. The latter is a comedic take on the 40k fluff from an in universe point of view.
>>44377530
GW won't do shit to change the status quo of 40k, you know that yourself.
>>44377311
All that does is make the galaxy worse for everyone, why does nobody ask "why do we have to kill eachother" most of the fights could be stopped with some common sense
>>44377602
Who knows? In a decade or so we might see the End of the 40K universe.
And when that happens I will be there to sayI TOLD YOU SO!
>>44377616
That sounds like heretic talk to me.
>>44375865
I think a change is well called for.
Lady Aurelia Malys should be the next overlord.
>>44377631
Extremely doubtful.
The End Times was GW's last ditch attempt at making Fantasy profitable again. Do remember that GW had been making more money from their paints than their fantasy stuff for a better part of a decade, which is why they ended up doing the End times shit, and then rebooting the whole thing as Age of Sigmar.
40k on the other hand, is the cashcow of the company, so unless it stops being profitable, GW has no reason to do the whole End times thing with it.
>>44377455
>it affects the entire city
>it doesn't affect the entire webway
Pick one
>>44377616
Because the powerful wish to maintain their power while the weak want to get a slice of the pie. Ending the fighting just means that whoever is on top at that time gets to stay on top forever.
>>44377311
> Biel-tan is awesome
> Literally the hive of spess elf nazi strain
>>44377783
>he thinks mon-keigh deserve to live
>>44377677
>GW has no reason to do the whole End times thing with it.
Yet they keep adding in End Times/Age of Ending lore in the codexes and expanding on it with each edition.
Heck, they even killed a modelled character recently.
>>44377939
That's hardly a new thing.
Remember Eldrad.
>>44373864
>implying the Crons even have those anymore, or know how they work.
Do you even space Alzheimer.
Are the Dark Eldar more technologically advanced than the Craftworlders? They seem to have a lot more neat tricks.
>>44378231
In some ways they are, in other ways, they aren't.
Remember, the Dark Eldar have completely abandoned all psychic based tech, which on the other hand, seem to be the main root of CWE tech. Pre-fall Eldar had technology that combined both sheer, technologically advanced shit with psychic and warp sorcery based technology.
The Deldar seem to have certain technologies that surpass even CWE tech, like their darklight guns for example, but on the other hand, they don't have anything like for example, the wraithbone that the Craftworld Eldar use extensively.
All this fucking thread to discuss about a race of xenos that revels in the disgrace of others.
And don't get me wrong, their shiny cousins are just a decadence away of doing the same shit.
You are all heretics deserving to be PURGED.
>>44378828
>tfw you lose control of the galaxy to superstitious monkeys
>>44378936
>tfw no qt eldar gf
>>44379018
Make one.
Craftworld, Dark, Corsair, Exodite, or something else?
>>44378828
Knowledge is power?
>>44379137
Dark Exodite.
you know you want to
a few general things to add:
The Dark Eldar:
1: are a GW Product. they make money, though not as much as space marines. people buy them. they will be around, especially after their miraculous resurrection with the 5th ed. Codex.
2:The Dark Eldar's greatest sin was loosing the named characters from 5th ed. codex. seriously. Genius Creations (by GW standards) like Sliscuss and Malys were fucking great. then, they were axed, and all we retained was old-model swordmaster, bikini clad death, and the rape-cuck himself. and ol' Skinbag.
3: the Dark Eldar are very similar to Slaanesh. however, the fact can't be ignored that they oppose the Mess they created. it's like what happens when some uber-gothic fetishists decide to run from the organization they were part of, that is now a rape cult that worships satan. the Goths like drugs and sex, but they aren't about to perform sacrifices or give their wills over entirely to animalistic lust and mindless servitude. They prefer being hard an edgy to being constantly hormonal.
an outsider woudn't know the difference
an outsider woudn't care to understand the difference.
Dark Eldar are a great part of 40K lore, and though many would love to see them wiped out (fucking mormons), they suffer from the same fault in that the storyline isn't really going anywhere.
wait....that was the 7th ed codex, that had Khaine's Gate. shit, someone just Matt Ward'ed the dark eldar.
So, the DEldar will be destroyed one day. great, GW always did love to tank their money boats and alienate their fans.
i've heard some white christian types piss on dark eldar before, but much like Necron, Orks, and Tyrannids, they are an enemy that the 40k universe needs.
>>44379158
>Dark Exodite
dear lord, what would that even be? farmgirl eldar with a ranch of captive human livestock she routinely harvests and punishes?
>>44379137
I'd like an exodite to be honest.
>>44379147
Guard it well.
>>44374227
No.
I mean, yes he does, but also no because he took down an assload of his stuff forever ago and I am super butthurt that I don't know where to go to find it.
>>44375516
And maybe take one of Fulgrim's prized worlds as an act of sticking it to she who devours. A planet that will feed their every whim now that Slaanesh has taken hold and decide this is the best meal ever prepared meticulously by dedicated servants.
>>44377902
umm, we are "mon-keigh"
>>44379499
I self-identify as an Eldar. Please don't force your mon'keighnormative worldview on me.
>>44379186
A chick getting eaten by Slaanesh thats what it is. Exodites are the most vulnerable of the bunch and iirc Dark Eldar can't spend to long in the material realm or bad shit starts happening to them. They always retreat with their spoils back into the webway. I imagine exodites who got too decadent would immediately a warp hole ripped into them.
>>44379496
Pretty sure Deldar can't enter the Warp. Like at all. Or at least not for very long compared to their cousins. To delicious to She Who Thirsts.
>>44379786
I thought everyone else's pain and suffering was enough to satiate the thirsty warp bitch regardless of the DEldar's location. The webway thing just happened to be for their survival against material enemies, like how orks and the Imperium have a hard time ever reaching them.
Anyone else think mon'keigh is a retarded as fuck word? It's literally just the word "monkey' but with bad Fantasy misspellings, like when a character in a bad Fantasy book/game, or the character of a very uncreative player, has an ordinary English name but with a bunch of "y"s and "w"s and "ll"s and random meaningless apostrophes, like a sorceress character named Gwynn'dyllyn or Ry'baekah or some shit like that, or an edgefag assassin named Mykhael D'hark or something. Why would the Eldar have a word like that? There's also the fact that they look almost identical to humans and likewise clearly evolved from some sort of primate so the insult doesn't even make sense.
>>44379845
> It's literally just the word "monkey' but with bad Fantasy misspellings
have you like missed every other made up word in 40k?
>>44379837
Well the Webway is thoroughly sectioned off tunnel in the warp meanwhile the divide between Matterium and Immaterium has been getting so thin in 40k that daemon incursions just randomly swallow up entire sectors every time one of the shit shovelers starts getting really bad migraines because theres a civil war on the next planet over.
So if your in the Matterium, constantly torturing humans, and one turns out to be psychic and you don't know that, your worlds going to explode into daemons.
>>44379137
You forgot the Murder Clowns.
>>44379833
Well, they already flip their shit the moment someone brings a psyker into Commorragh. If such a tiny amount of Warp energy is already cause for concern, I assume sailing into the Eye of Terror would be proper suicidal.
>>44379918
I can't off the top of my head think of any other examples as egregious as that one. Not for any aliens, at least.
>>44379837
According to Vect, the pull of Slaanesh is weaker in the Webway. If they lived in the material plane they'd have to do even more murder-raping to ward her off.
>>44375840
RIP /wst/
>>44379971
Good riddance.
Those faggots never belonged here.
If you want to find them, go to /d/ or /aco/. This board isn't for crappy smut.
>>44379959
Ah, that makes sense. So it'd have to be a very big ranch, then.
I wonder if you could somehow balance the DEldar ways of inflicting pain and suffering with Exodite/Craftworld ways of being an elven jedi space monk.
>>44379845
>Why would the Eldar have a word like that?
It's a silly transparent IRL joke with an unrelated in-universe explanation.
>>44380069
>the monkeys were defeated by Elrond
>>44377955
>>44377955
Captain Tycho also died on armageddon
(I know its a very old model, but)
>>44378359
Keep in mind they also possess artefacts of tehe old eldar empire, but due to lack of pyskers can only use them via slaves, which in case of doomsday weapons is not a sensible thing to do.
They gave one of these to Iyanden and Biel Tan when they needed to fuck that planet
So would a Dark Eldar degenerate be a dude who like takes his slave girl home and fucks her gently after lighting some candles and maybe putting on some music
Why don't the Craftworlders just use the same reproduction technology as the Deldar? Seems like an easy solution to the long gestation and low fertility problem.
>>44379940
>>44379940
Not the tiny amount of warp energy, they are afraid that the psyker will summon demons to commoragh, which would result in masses of dead eldar: It is self-preservation.
>>44380251
Commorragh society doesn't really frown on anything. If the DEldar isn't refilling his soul with enough pain and misery, he'll be consumed by Slaanesh. So being a kinky lover is just a necessary survival tactic. If you want to be a hand-holding degenerate, you'll have to move out to the Craftworlds and embark on their focused Paths in order to survive being such a gentle fuck.
>>44380291
Yeah, so if they're afraid that even the tiny amount of warp powers at the command of a single psyker can bring doom to their people, it stands to reason that actually going into the Warp themselves would be the last thing on their mind.
>>44380314
But what if you just rape and flay a few toddlers right before you make sweet sensual love to your girl?
>>44380271
The Dark Eldar True Borns treat vatborn like second class citizens or even slaves and the Craftworlders share the idea that the process leaves something to be desired in the individuals in produces. Having a family is kind of important to Craftworlders and to randomly plop out of a tube in the wall instead of being born to a mother is to not be entirely Eldar.
>>44380251
No, a dark is free to indulge in the whims he has. (except when said whims have anything to do with demons)
>>44380364
Oh, yeah that's fine for surviving Slaanesh's thirst. As long as you meet your quota and protect your own soul, anything else is fine.
I too enjoy the works of Lucien, OP.
>>44380410I just found it through a Google image search. Looked up this Lucien guy after he was mentioned and wasn't too impressed.
>>44374862
They ARE the regular Eldar.
>>44380364
Then you're ok
>>44375351
That reminds me, is it ever explain why the Dark Eldar cannot simply jettison the gate/area around the gate? The city appears incredibly compartmentalized already, and they have amazing technology to boot.
>>44380909
Because the Gate of Khaine is part of the Webway that connects it to the Warp. It's not a movable thing.
>>44380457I suppose it's just that he does stuff I don't find much of elsewhere, like Predators fucking human girls. Specific fetishes I suppose.
>>44380619
Well, kinda. The corsair fleets are closer to true Eldar. They are still depraved, haughty, xenophobic murder monsters, but they still have a connection to their latent psychic abilities and don't need to devour souls to sustain themselves. I think if there were a ranking scale of the different Eldar cultures and their proximity to their roots it would probably go:
>Corsairs
>Dark Eldar
>Craftworlders
>Exodites
And then who the fuck knows where the Harlequins fit in. Them dudes is nuts.
>>44380953
That makes sense. I did not think about its connection to the webway. Thanks.
Let's talk about Sslyth
>>44382242
There are probably some Dark Eldar Archons who transplant their upper bodies onto the lower bodies of Sslyth
>>44376633
Why iz he so sad doe? Itz ok buddy, how about we get you some more skulls?
>>44382242
literally sneks with hands
>>44382242
I'll always love seeing the Dark Eldar as the ultimate foils of the Tau.
>both are technologically advanced and tend to be portrayed more intelligently than the other people of the galaxy
>both have created pseudo-federations aligned with other, less-populous xenos species. Kroot, Vespid, Tarellian, Sslyth, Ur-Ghul, Clawed Beast, etc. Both factions are the most multicultural in the game.
>both dominate a smaller area of space than their neighbors and tend to be footnotes in the grand scheme of things while their enemies do the heavy lifting of the plot.
>both are independent of the Warp and psykers. Tau have little experience with the Immaterium, while the Dark Eldar have cut themselves off from their natural psychic powers for their own survival.
however
>the Tau are only so advanced because they're new and are going through their first rise to interstellar prominence, while the Dark Eldar are among the oldest people in the setting, being the closest society to the ancient Eldar Empire from millions of years past.
>Tau have no obvious relationship to the Warp while the Dark Eldar are forever linked to Slaanesh.
>The Tau offer solidarity and friendship to all those who would join them in fighting for the Greater Good, being more of a true Federation of Planets analogue. While the Dark Eldar are only obsessed with supporting the whims of their ruthless elite, and all species serving them are either slaves or mercenaries.
>Tau technology is pure scifi, while Dark Eldar tech is impossibly advanced, almost magical at times.
>blocky aesthetics vs spiky aesthetics
>robots and mecha, the triumphs of science vs body horrors, the warping of life and corruption of nature. Both have drone soldiers, but the Tau drones are robotic, while the drones of the Dark Eldar are frankenstein's monsters twisted into serviceable forms.
>Serving the Greater Good tends to make the Tau decent people. Dark Eldar are spiritually compelled to be the worst people in the galaxy.
>>44375100
Unlike the rest of the setting they have style and flair, even though they're reprehensible on a whole other level.
>>44382604
I like that. They should make Tau and Deldar into arch enemies. Would be cool to have Xenos having a big rivalry like the Imperium has with Chaos. Plus, more Deldar fluff.
>>44376010
So it's basically if I decided to connect Hell's Kitchen, Skid Row, Bangkok and Singapore together with portals right?
>>44380251
Dark Eldar really don't give a fuck what you do , if only because they're more concerned with how they're going fuck you over to take your place.
>>44382769
That probably why I miss the Duke. He pretty much encapsulated what it meant to be a Dark Eldar; stylish and despicable.
>>44374973
>>44374987
>>44375021
>>44375072
>>44375218
Thanks so much for this guys! I've been playing Dark Eldar since 2nd ed when i was an edgy teen listening to KFMDM and this is literally the best and most flavorful thing i've read about my favorite 40k army
>>44375840
That would also be scary in a different type of way since it would imply that the pleasure slaves they catch would eventually get mindbroken into being willing food sources.
>>44374633
>40k lost a lot of what made it great when everything stopped being the wargaming equivalent of a Heavy Metal magazine cover.
We got Necrons as they appear now instead of absurdly chromed, Sorayama-style 'bots. Truly, we do not live in the best of all possible worlds.
>>44373518
I think pain and pleasure work equally, but torturing is most efficient, because the DE produce enjoyment from making the humans produce pain, so double the emotion.
Also, it's easier to produce pain than to produce long term enjoyment.
>>44373864
Necron tech is probably the only tech Eldar wouldn't know how to use.
>>44382604
Don't forget that they both favor blitz tactics heavily. They show up out of nowhere (one with boats and the other with robots raining from the sky) blast anything threatening, then 'subjugate' any civilians.
>>44383461
That seems beneath the Deldar. The Tau aren't important enough to be their arch enemies, it's like humanity declaring baboons to be their nemesis.
>>44378114
Nothing says that they don't have them or don't know how they work.
The Crypteks are just as capable of invention and science as they were before the great sleep. The madness of the Great Sleep just distorts their personalities and intensities their character traits.
What do the Dark Eldar think of the Necrons anyway? The Craftworlders hate and fear them, but do the Dark Eldar even give a single shit about their reawakening?
>>44377576
Pretty fitting considering thats their biggest flaw, that they randomly behave like complete idiots and assholes.
>>44379137
Corsair is your best bet, as they deal the most with humans. Usually at the end of a gun, but.
>>44386990
Well, in Fall of Orpheus, Dark Eldar raiders committed ritualistic suicide rather than face the Necrons. That would imply fear.
However, we have an example of Dark Eldar allying with the Necrons.
The Dark Eldar are all over the place.
>>44387035
Old Fluff vs Newer Fluff, likely
>>44373396
>The old cooler reason
You only get hints from a story that Vect tells one of his slaves in order to fuck with him and bits and pieces about "cheating she who thirsts" in the heamonculus flvor text blurb. All you REALLY know is that
A: the dEldar have some way of cheating Slaanesh, and it's the Heamonculi who do it
B: The dEldar take slaves
C: The dEldar fuck with their slaves... a lot
D: The Heamonculi are torture masters
E: The rest of the gritty little details are up to your imagination.
Hell, half of THAT could have just been Vect lying. There was no omniscient narrator answer. Maybe the torture had something to do with it, maybe it was simply a catalyst, maybe it just "flavors" the souls, like tenderizing meat, and maybe it's totally unnecessary but they do it anyway, because they're fucked up.
>Current in-cannon excuse
The dEldar survive off of extreme emotions, and the Heamonculi are experts in creating the most extremes of emotions through torture. Extreme enough, and it "recharges" the soul that's being drained by Slaanesh. Theorhetically they COULD accomplish the same task through the creation of extreme positive emotions, but that probably wouldn't even occur to the twisted minds of the heamonculi.
>>44381022
One thing I don't understand about the corsairs is how they save themselves from the Thirst.
Craftworlders live their constrained, monk-like lives. Exodites live like space Amish. Dark Eldar are pain vampires.
But how do the Corsairs stop themselves from getting their souls eaten? They just kind of seem to do it. Which is weird.
>>44387231
>the old cooler reason
But that's wrong, anon. It is 100% explicit in the old 3e fluff that dEldar literally eat souls. More tortured souls are more delicious.
I much prefer the new fluff in which they're sustained by anguish, terror and suffering rather than a diet of literal souls.
>>44374633
I think this is mostly because heavy metal album covers and aestehtics fell out of fashion.
>>44387463
No, Craftworlders have soul stones. That's it. The Path isn't to save any individual's soul from Slaanesh, it's to stop their society from sliding back into depravity.
Corsairs on the path of the outcast *should* have soul stones just like rangers, other craftworlders, and exodites. From what I heard about the new Corsair list in the Doom of Mymeara update though, they don't. Apparently they just ... let their souls get sucked out and turned into demons? Really, forgeworld?
>>44375100
Yeah, it's as if Pat Mills himself wrote them.
>>44387562
Why don't the Deldar just use soulstones?
>>44387961
Using soulstones and not adopting a rigid life style is pointless.
