Sup /tg/ I need some guns from the future! But not too far. Anything that looks kind of high tech works.
Bit further than I'd like but could be played off as an experimental weapon.
>>44372395
>that grip
>>44372395
>Bit further than I'd like but could be played off as an experimental weapon.
How so? Fabrique National has been going that route since the 90s. Have you ever seen SG-1? P-90s everywhere.
>>44372560
>>44372332
Here you go. Circa 2091.
>>44372332
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>>44372332
Honestly, standard firearms have plateaued. Future guns will just be the same shit but with lighter construction and like always, some will be great with base features and others will be stupidly over complicated, melting pieces of fish shaped plastic that costs more than any military is willing to pay.
>>44372963
>standard firearms have plateaued
I think projectiles have some headroom. They've been at caseless for a while. Airburst has been miniaturized down to 30mm. Tank shells can now bend to steer.
Chamber and barrel may remain pretty much unchanged, but trigger, sights, and ammo are just waiting for the next wave of innovations.
For example what if every licensed firearm was equipped with a sealed camera that snaps the target every time the weapon fires, and tracks each bullet with a unique ID. That way you can go back and have documentation for each shot fired, with GPS location, picture, and everything. Sure, the NRA would rageplode, but we're talking tech now.
>>44373022
Nah. Complexity like that only exists in science fiction. There will never be biometrics on guns.
>>44373022
There's only so far you can go before it makes no sense financially. Try to arm every soldier with self-correcting, fin-stabilized 5,56mm and you lost the war before it began.
We smart guns now.
Why do all future gun look like uncomfortable boxes? Surely the gunmakers of the future want their guns to be decent to actually hold and fire?
>>44372355
Oh yeah, that's the homemade coilgun on youtube
>>44373441
>Surely the gunmakers of the future want their guns to be decent to actually hold and fire?
They probably should, but some gunmakers now don't even seem concerned with that.
Have you seen the ratworx silencer kit for the Tavor?
While I do not support the purchasing of Tavors on ethical grounds, fucking damnit, is that thing sexy and scifi-looking...
>>44373521
>While I do not support the purchasing of Tavors on ethical grounds
Do they harm puppies during the production or something? Or is this about politics again? In which case /pol/ is waiting for you.
You know what, rather than let /k/ommandos fight /pol/lacks in a /tg/ thread like a bunch of fucking babies, I am just gonna go through my /k/ folder and post anything that exists but looks futuristic. That tickle your fancy, OP?
Most of the names of the guns can be found in the filename. It is the way of our people.
>>44373536
Eh, 50% politics, 50% just because it funds their military. In the west, the military pays the gunmakers, seems real... dicey, going the other way. Makes me uncomfortable to indirectly fund another nation's military. In a way it makes me responsible for any actions they participate in that I do not agree with, ya know? If it is my own nation's military I can go "well fuck, we voted for this."
I actually think the WA2000 looks futuristic, despite in reality it is getting on in years.
>>44373590
Stop that shit.
Personally I find this design retarded, but I guess I would have to shoot one to know for sure.
>>44373624
That sucks, friend. Where do you hail from?
>>44373521
The can is part of the handguard
Shit's gonna get hot real fast.
This thing is both a 12 gauge shotgun and a 5.56 rifle
AR-57, it takes P90 magazines.
>>44373645
Actually I see now that that pic could be a little vague about how it looks in person. Hunted around for a pic of someone firing the thing...
>>44373720
Oh fuck yeah. I would LIKE to believe they thought of that, but probably not.
>>44373753
Oh now SHE'S more my type.
Did you get your NASA issued space rifle?
Install blacklight and play with the gun builder in game. you get some interesting stuff.
>Recoil? Muzzle climb? We did away with these things.
>>44372342
That drum looks tiny and I doubt would carry more then, let's be generous and say 50 bullets.
Quad stack magazines can carry up to 100 rounds and shoot fairly reliably. As compared to the dual drum beta clip things that jammed every couple of shots (Thank God, when the Colorado shooter used one people reported he'd fire a couple of times then mess with his gun, because the damn thing kept jamming).
>>44373832
>drum
It's some kind of tall skinny pan magazine and probably holds a lot actually.
Imagine pic related but with a bunch more rows of bullets underneath.
>>44373870
Who mentioned jews? You don't need to care about jews to dislike Israel.
>the mid 20th century had backpack fed machine guns, but it never caught on
>>44373943
It was a joke m8
>>44372332
>>44373933
>>44373754
Oh man that blows.
I am a Canadian, so I know ALL ABOUT not giving an inch on my gun rights. Canada is pretty unique in that we were recently the first nation to push gun control reform in favour of MORE rights, but with the recent election of a Liberal gov. I am less than optimistic about the coming years. Unlike those lucky buggers in the states, our gun rights are not actually that. We have no constitutional right to firearms, only the privilege granted by the government. But since we have VERY few accidents and shootings involving legally owned guns, the RCMP has a hard time pulling our rights back. It is a delicate system, but for the most part it seems to work. Currently there is a movement to decriminalize supressors, so lets hope we manage another first there!
This is an odd one. The whole damn thing is curved so as to not look like a gun when on your person...
>>44373910
Exactly this. If fukken syria or north korea was peddling some gun around, does not matter how sweet it is. Not buying that shit.
>>44373927
Also this. I have a lot of Jewish friends. One served in the IDF. None of them are really fond of what Israel is up to these days. It is not really about their religion. It's about their policies, coupled with the kind of nauseating way that if you disagree with their politics, apparently you are immediately an anti-semite. Funny how that works when some of Israel's biggest critics are Hassidic Jews.
>>44373967
>>44373960
The problem with that..
The people that would use AK-47's couldn't afford that extra shit all over it, and the people that can wouldn't use AK-47's
The ULTIMATE space age weapon!!!
>>44373971
>Canadians get more gun rights
>It's secretly to fight off the violent American refugees escaping the coming Trumpocracy.
>>44373960
Smart
>>44373987
C'mon anon... that wasn't even a baited hook. You didn't have to bite at it.
Nobody comes into a thread asking for pics of guns and says that without trolling in the most blatant way possible.
Dunno if this really counts as futuristic so much as retro-future, but I have desperately wanted to know what is going on here for some time. Google returns nothing. If anyone recognises this, please speak up.
>>44374027
It's a Luger with competition accessories; larger grip, modified beavertail and a thicker barrel.
>>44373901
I legitimately wish we could make fucking fuel efficient non-fucktarded heavy gauss rifles and coilguns that won't melt in my hands.
>>44373274
Not really - remember Moore's law decreases both the size and cost of electronics, you can also evade even that by having a beam riding bullet that deforms to shift direction because of an external field applied on specially shaped single metal peice bullets by an aerial drone.
>>44374065
Moore law applies only to processors, not all electronics. Modern ATGMs are not significantly cheaper than their predecessors.
>>44373989
Awww shit! Sent my away cause it jammed 5 years ago and they tell me it will be ready in 2 months. We've really come a long way from modular parts!
>>44374081
Just stop responding. Have you never seen the Simpsons halloween special where the mascots come to life? That is how you deal with bait. Just don't look! Just don't look!
>>44374096
Well you must give the gnomish tinkerers and dwarven smiths time to work their craft, anon!
>>44374085
OH GOD WHY!
Pic is what you use when you want to hunt passenger planes.
>>44374122
But i wanna go fire another 3 rounds before its year long maintenance has to happen!
>>44374077
>Modern ATGMs are not significantly cheaper than their predecessors.
Modern ATGMs are more complicated than their predecessors, generally utilising more targeting and tracking modes and greater ranges.
What's a better place to look at is MANPADS - 30 years ago your average MANPAD would EITHER have shitty IR sensors on them or Active radar, and both sensor types had ridiculous targeting times that made them nearly useless against anything other than Hinds, while the same sized missile today has less shitty IR sensors and multiple radar guidance and for some fucking reason can do pop up top down anti-tank terminal guidance as well as shoot down... slow planes.
Eventually you'll get a similar degree of shit in a panzerfaust type arrangement, and infantry will just carry bandoliers of the things and use them like maces in close combat as god intended.
>>44374122
What is that, 700 nitro?
It will kill an elephant, but not at a mile. It will also break your shoulder. And I believe it chambers $100 bills?
>>44374122
>Pic is what you use when you want to hunt passenger planes.
>>44372799
Heh.
>>44372560
I think its more the LED ''Shotgun/Rifle/OS/Safe'' selector. Makes me think of like Syndicate or something
>>44372560
SG-1 used it because Goauld/Jafar had bullet proof armor that the P-90 could actually penetrate - they started with MP4s because they are all Air Force Rock Apes.
>>44372790
>pretty girl in a Masamune Shirow CG set
How long until she gets gangbanged?
>>44374251
Okay, I have questions
1) epic maymay?
2) AUTOMATIC underslung, um- 20mm?
3) tripod how?
4) wut trigger guard?
5) bayonet vs cavalry?
>>44374261
It's not Shirow and Shirow doesn't into hentai. A bit of no panties at best.
>>44374276
It's either the experimental Fletchette gun from vietnam era shit, or it's one of the predecessors to those combination grenade launcher/rifle weapons Steg Aug is always trying to make work.
Of course looking closer at it I can see a third barrel and the bullpup magazine is a fug hug for Nato 5.7 and the bayonet appears to be blocking two seperate rifle barrels so I'm leaning more towards fletchette gun with the box magazine up front either some kind of casing/sabot catcher or german gnome magic to get ammo from the rear magazine to the underslung barrel.
>>44374309
I told you not to bite.
But you are absolutely correct, and raise the biggest point that statist fools never seem to acknowledge.
An army is MADE of citizens. They say the people cannot fight tanks with handguns? Well that tank driver's brother is from around here, and that air force drone controller just had a crisis of conscience about attacking his own citizens. Suddenly the idea of fighting tanks with another tank and also handguns starts to seem more legit.
Probably in the event that a first world military is told to turn on it's own citizens, more than half will defect, refuse, or just plain leave. And if we have reached a point where that military really WILL slavishly obey? Then we would need the means to fight even more.
Also... STORM BOLTER, FUCK YEEEAAAHHH
>>44374455
How bad would the recoil of that thing be? I've seen twinned pistols nearly shake themselves apart just ripping off a mag of ammo
>>44374455
Then those defectors are traitors to their nation and betrayers of their word, and should be punished as is fit. By definition, the citizenry is subordinate to the state.
>>44374406
So epic maymay then.
>>44374467
In a dictatorship. A republic is supposed to rule by the will of the people.
It mightn't but its meant to.
>>44374460
It's airshit, so...
>>44374460
I have to assume it is not actually for shootin. But I do have one here of a twinned gun that the drunken gunsmith swears worked...
Found it.
>>44374482
...oh. Well fair enough then
>>44374490
Thats something I want to fire someday. I can only imagine how harsh that recoil is.
>>44374498
Depends on practicality vs idealism. Technically, the rulers right to lead is meant to derive from popular mandate in many systems. Therefore, unless the leader adheres to the publics wishes they should be removed.
However, thats rarely how things actually work because achieving that is near impossible.
>>44373980
Many people use AK's who can afford more expensive things because the AK is a fine weapon by any measure.
In the future I would not be surprised if the AK ends up in firefights against troops armed with fucking laserguns and the AK will probably still perform admirably.
It does its job, and examples of it will be still functioning well into the future.
>>44374285
Gonna have to disagree with you, there. After an earthquake/fire destroyed one of his studios where he kept a lot of handwritten notes on things such as the future of Appleseed, and other projects, he started doing porn in the meanwhile, with some non pornographic works and CG sets. One of his more infamous ones is one where a cowgirl gets gangbanged by horse dudes.
http://tinyurl com/ojxfspm
>>44372332
Militaries of the future will use GPMG's that are sturdy, reliable, and lightweight. The most decisive advances in small arms as far as their impact on small arms conflicts has been in assault rifles, but for large militaries in conventional conflicts the most important small arm on the battle field will always be the general purpose machine gun, same as it was in WW2.
Advances in technology such as powered armor will serve to make the GPMG far more common than it already is, rather than just scale up assault rifles.
Big ass high calibre machine guns laying down blankets of bullets wins firefights in real life, not the standard infantry rifle.
Everything used by the IDF. Guys make shitty hardware but damn if it doesn't all look like science fiction props.
>>44374554
But once your machingun has suppressed the enemy, you need to kill the fucker. Artillery, air strikes, a tank rolling in, and such things are nice. Which means you might not always have anything like that available. So in addition to your MGs, bring plenty of RPGs.
>>44373971
The fuck you want a suppressor for? Maybe at ranges to keep sound down, but why would there ever be a reason for people to own them individually except for quietly shooting other people?
>>44374909
It's for slaughtering babies without waking the rest of the nursery.
>>44374909
To protect your hearing and lower your signature. Full load rifle rounds cannot be reasonably silenced. That's why it is called a suppressor.
>>44374946
>not for defending baby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNP45KnEwdk
>>44374909
well, there is getting the recoil below OSHA noise damage levels.
also, they are not quiet at all. you can still hear it very clearly, just not the next town over. Very useful when hunting the the British countryside.
>>44374909
Quietly shooting game and vermin? Maybe so you aren't a fucking nuisance to your neighbors? You know in some places the use of a supressor is considered "polite" not "scary"
Also hearing loss from shooting is a very real issue. The number of hunters and sport shooters I meet who are deaf as a damn post is amazing. Earpro can only do so much, even the sound vibrating against the soft tissues NEAR your ears can do damage when using earplugs.
Basically noone really ever uses them for crime, and guess what, if they are an elite assassin, killing people silently? They already have one. They do not need it decriminalized to commit criminal activity. It was initially criminalized in Canada because the RCMP watched too many 80s action flicks, and in the states they became regulated because people used them to poach game during the depression.
>>44373901
that looks like it's straight out of XCOM
>>44374909
>quietly shooting people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM8xvE5B4yk
Yes, quietly shooting people is a thing suppressors allow you to do. That was sarcasm, in case you couldn't tell, doesn't always come across properly with just text.
>>44373775
That just makes it heavy. Now, where is the 12-ga magazine?
>>44373787
So you can fire an expensive meme round that is inferior to the 5.56 you would normally be firing.
>>44373828
It's a huge amount of bulk for not a whole lot of improvement.
>>44373971
Wouldn't be so bad if it weren't, you know, curved. You're forced to carry it on your right side. Lefties are sol. The magazine is shit and that switch is a fucking joke. It needs a big fucker of a switch/button that's much easier to reach. At least Taurus is trying to make something different.
>>44375238
The tube along the stock is the magazine.
>>44375238
Yeah, but you get 50 rounds of meme ammo in a tiny magazine.
>>44375280
Is there a second trigger for the shotgun or what? How many rounds of shotgun ammo do ya get?
>>44375486
It's 4+1 and not even semi-auto.
>>44375530
There are merits to the pump, or so I hear.
What about triggers? Has it a seperate trigger on the pump grip?
>>44372332
Look up the G11, a real prototype assault rifle. Just drop it into the universe as-is.
How might flamethrowers evolve in the future? Hotter flames? stickier flammenwaifu juice? Lighter Juice so it travels further and is easier to carry and store?
>>44374260
Why they never went for the SCAR?
>>44377475
Forget the flames. We'll have a gun that just spews radiation like an exposed npp core, but directed and focused.
>>44377475
>Flammenwaifu
>sticky juice
Yes.
>>44378233
Late season they started using G36's and MP7's as well that carried over into Atlantis.
>>44377574
It didn't exist until 2004, and too big and heavy for their tastes.
Though it was surprising in a bad way that they actually gifted P90s - an expensive weapon with extremely expensive niche caliber - for the Free Jaffa instead of something 'more enduring' like any of the modern AR or AK variants. They could've dumped so much ammo, spare magazines and spare parts for the things the Jaffa could've fought with them for centuries.
>>44378317
They still really liked their P90s.
And Teal'c was the one who came to liking the MP7
>>44375076
>straight out of XCOM
crazy mother fucker named thin man!
>>44377475
They won't. Flamethrowers like that are pretty much a mature technology. All you can really do is make a more efficient igniter and change the fuel. You're still hard capped by the weight and bulk though. Most everyone switched to incendiary rockets or thermobarics after WWII for a reason.
>>44377475
Something similar to flamethower but more compact and less volatile.
Something like the Microwave directed energy weapon from Crysis 2 and 3.
Although it's effects are quite brutal and would likely never be deployed due to ethical/political reasons.
Something like this perhaps?
I thought the weapons in Titanfall were pretty cool
the Avatar weapons were pretty hella cool
>>44379440
Stuff like that works.
>>44379676
I was just looking for guns, then I come back and find the thread's turned into a debate club. Now my Savage Worlds cleanup crew won't have pretty pictures of imagined guns.
>>44374512
Recoil wouldn't be that bad, it is just 5.56 after all
>>44374909
You do realize a gun with a suppressor is still about as loud as slamming a car door, right?
>>44380905
It's sad that most of these so called futuristic designs are nothing but basic firearms in a sleeker form factor. The machine itself is the same as it has been for more than a half a century now. There are some innovative designs that act as force multipliers like recoil reduction designs etc. but they are that more expensive and complicated to maintain that no national military is interested in making them their baseline infantry weapon. US has had these Advanced Combat Rifle competitions that asked manufacturers for weapons that would increase the effectiveness of a single soldier by 100%. Although there has been designs that offer significant improvements, they've never gotten even close.
As such, futuristic looking weapons are mostly clichéd projectile weapons in fancy frames, or we have a near future setting in which great leaps have been takes that made more exotic weapons a realistic option.
If no leaps in technology are taken, AR-15 and the countless AK-clones with modern muzzle energies will still be the thing in infantry warfare for many, many decades to come.
>>44381559
>AR-15 and the countless AK-clones with modern muzzle energies will still be the thing in infantry warfare for many, many decades to come.
That's because AR- and AK-type weapons are some of the best constructed, most durable, and easiest to maintain firearms that has ever existed thus far.
Why fix what's not broken?
>>44381559
>>44381606
>>44373933
>never caught on
Supposedly the SEALs and some other special forces units used backpack fed M60s in Vietnam
>>44382070
I've seen pictures floating around of a special forces dude in the mid east wearing one.
>>44382150
This guy, right?
>>44373980
In the movie the weapon is an airburst assault rifle, and by all accounts the only thing that matters is the bullet and the guidance system bolted onto it.
And while they could have exchanged the barrel, I'm going to assume they kept the bore just the same and someone is making smart 7.62x39 rounds. This vaguely makes sense since explosive bullets need mass more than they need speed, so going for a larger but slower bullet like what the AK fires makes sense.
Finally, if you had to invest in the bullets, or just had them laying around, wouldn't you want to save some money and just buy dirt-cheap firearms that'll have all the important stuff bolted onto it.
>>44382253
Yup, that's the guy alright. Anyone here know if that loading system is functional?
>>44374065
What the fuck is that?
>>44381606
>Why fix what's not broken?
This what i cannot unsee when i watch most scifi with 'futuristic' projectile weapons.
>>44373933
Dude looks like a Mormon missionary
>>44382279
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaxyVyhjOdQ [Embed]
They really advertise so.
I hope they really are, because i hate reloads.
SureFire did, but by looking at the videos of people using them, they seem rather unreliable in general. OR they have trouble with certain rounds. Either ways, that doesn't sound too good.
I rather not use any of these in a campaign or in a game involving modern weapons and xenomorph tier beasts. If i did, it'd be an unwelcoming surprise how (if something like that is allowed to happen) your weapon suddenly jammed. Survival horror and stuff.
Too bad it'd have to be 'scripted' for the most of time or the player would just die (like in real life facing a xenomorph, fast zombie grizzly bear etc tier opponent).
>>44378156
The implications of that are gross and awful.
So how much will we have to pay for the hundreds of hours in therapy for the soldiers who pointed a device at the enemy and watched them melt like a barbie doll?
>No mortia yet
I disappoint tg
>>44382965
I wasn't too traumatized by that scene from indiana jones and the raiders of the lost arc when I was a kid but real life isn't movies and regular gun killings of people's comrades and friends and enemies are generally much less traumatic due to how cleanly they turn everything from child soldiers to close friends into limp lifeless corpses.
>>44374260
>p90's penetrating armor
I thought they used some shitty nato rounds with no penetrating power
>>44384167
I thought it was the opposite problem: that it's bullets were designed for superior armor penetration at the cost of overall stopping power.
>>44382279
It's not. An independent company produce a version of the product at request and then the army went ahead and burned a bunch of money to research and produce a shittier version of said product that didn't even cost less.
>>44381559
Well yeah, rule zero of prop design is to just take what works and doll it up a bit. We already have the basic ideas of making an effective weapon down, and if some random artist on DA or movie prop designer were to suddenly make an effective weapon design that offered better advantages than existing platforms (using existing technology) then he's likely working in the wrong industry. If you go too far away from standard weapon designs than you have a dozen armchair /k/ommandos complaining about how your hover tank doesn't offer any real advantages to existing designs, or how your fangled new weapon with a gorillian Future Soldier™ attachments, is worthless compared to meme gun of the month.
Why even fight it? Just have everyone is using the same redressed FN F2000. And call it a day. Less angry letters to sort through and a cheaper production cost. And the point of looking cool comes across just the same.
We've kind of hit a plateau (maybe even the peak itself) of weapon design and conceptual artists/prop designers aren't going to magically change that.
A bolt action rifle with smokeless cartridges has already surpassed a century of unsurpassed range, reliability, stopping power. Since then we changed the proportion of powder to projectile to optimize recoil and rate of fire, but at the end of the day they're still less killy than the full power full weight bullets we lobbed at each other in world war 1.
>>44381075
...aren't doing a whole lot more than what you can do with some basic tools, scrapmetal, and a free afternoon or two. You know, stuff in your garage.
See Four Winds Shotgun. Or that homemade AK. Both of which are safer and deadlier than the current 3d printed guns can ever be.
Now, get a cheap printer that prints metal well, that might be time to worry.
>>44378156
Not only is that horrifying, it wouldn't even be a good weapon.
Radiation has a ghost period following initial systems that can last for a week, during which your target is completely fine and able to kill you back before he croaks.
>>44374085
>>44374122
>not the duct tape version of the zorka.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPsPP3XmVAw
>>44386674
Not that amount of radiation. There is a point where it will do enough damage instantly to kill someone.
Problem is what he's suggesting is even less feasible than a man portable laser weapon. Mainly on account of how it would probably kill the user from the backscatter almost as fast as the target, and if someone is shielded, they'll at least have time enough to plug you one in the face before they fall apart.
And this is before all the issues that come with having Chernobyl in your backpack.
>>44373933
I can see why. Imagine you finish a belt and need to reload. Either you start feeding a new belt into it, which'll take a long time, or someone has an extra backpack with a chute and all, which not only takes some time to exchange, but also has a dude carrying a lot of extra stuff on him for little gain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_U22_Neos
>>44382965
So, something like this (1:30 onward):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km1p2-SB-WE
>>44387193
Reading some of the nuclear accidents, there have been cases where a quick flash of radiation has incapacitated a person and caused their deaths in a matter of hours. Surely a more focused beam could cause enough damage to, if not kill, knock them out instantly. Though for what purpose is another question.
Flamethrowers weren't exactly made for killing dudes, rather than destroying equipment (if enemies happened to be occupying said equipment at the time, however...) WP and incendiary explosives seem like better alternatives to flamers than radiation blasters. Unless we're talking about poisoning the well type of things where ground is denied for both parties. In which case dirty bombs and just scattering spend fuel pellets over the area would surely be more effective than man portable radiation projector.
>>44387751
I guess the main advantage to a rad projector - or at least one that can't kill instantly - would be that when you bathe the enemy in radiation they don't really notice at first.
You engage the enemy, your rad-man gets as close as he can and does a sweep over them, then you tactically retreat - it seems like a normal firefight until the enemy starts getting organ failure a few hours later
How deadly you'd have to make the rad-projector to do such a thing, and how you'd shield your own troops would be the major challenges
I've heard that microwave weapons at the moment basically just heat the surface of the target, so aren't much good for anything other than riot control and some anti-missile applications
>>44387884
At that point, you could probably just put a tenth of the money you spent making the radgun into enhancing the flamethrowers you already have, and you'd end up with a more useful weapon. The enemy can just shoot you while you're pelting them with radiation, but they can't shoot you after you've set them on fire with some horrifying corrosive napalm you developed.
>>44373521
>While I do not support the purchasing of Tavors on ethical grounds
epic tumblr memes?
>>44388017
> into enhancing the flamethrowers you already have
Flamethrowers are a well-known technology, proven, tested and built upon since the first world war.
Not sure what the range on a radiation gun would be, compared to a flamethrower, or where exactly you'd be looking for the sweet spot in the penetration/power ratio range, but one of the advantages of a radgun is that while it's being used there's little visible effect, in contrast to the very visible and visually horrific flamethrower
Whether a radgun could be an effective support/sneaky weapon is debatable - they don't exist IRL, and there's little need to develop one (and it'd be a PR nightmare to do so)
But it's a cool concept that's been little explored, which was the original guy's point - if you're making a gun that spews radiation in some way, how are you using it and what effects are you going for? Lethal dosage? Cancer? Cooking someone with microwaves?
How to make a scifi rifle:
>The boxier the better - if you need inspiration, just fuse a P90 with a H&K G11, and stick an extra barrel somewhere for grenadin' and shit
>must look like it's entirely made out of plastic
>has round corners and is colored white or light grey, because the Apple Act of 21XX phohibited the use of sharp edges in design and discouraged old-fashioned colors like black or camo
>random, useless, highly visible boldface uppercase text like "THIS SIDE TOWARD ENEMY" or "WARNING: RADIOACTIVITY INSIDE", preferable with a science symbol such as a lightning bolt or an atom or a supernova
>>44389392
>useless
You've clearly never seen anyone try and stuff a mortar shell into a tube the wrong way around, or check if the gun is loaded by looking down the barrel. Lack of sleep and stress does funny things to the human mind.
>>44374261
Look up 'W Tails Cat' which is where this image is from.
When she isn't being molested by her superiors or having sex with the sniper, she's being banged by half of detroit.
>>44388389
Well you can make a radiation gun by just removing the lead lined glass from the front of a CRT (earliest kind of CRTs would give you a nasty sunburn if you used them for too long because they skimped on the quality of the screen glass) - particle weaponry has the additional side effect that it can penetrate armor in the sense that alpha and beta particles create "breaking radiation" in the form of hard X-rays if they travel through lead sheilding you need to stop x-rays or gamma rays.
Only trouble is that a or ß radiation has incredibly short distances without a lot of power - basically a few feet for a rays and about 100-200 feet for ß rays, but conversely the sieverts each deposits is larger than an equivalent amount of moles of gamma radiation.
The real fun however is neutron radiation, see you can make a neutron generator the size of pic related and you can scale them up to ridiculous proportions, and if you bombard armor with high enough energy neutrons you can fairly easily cause the armor itself to start emitting a & ß rays in all directions.
>>44389429
>lack of sleep
>not 'stupid human nature'
behold! The Future of the Past! The ZM-87 Portable Laser Disturber®! From Norinco™!
>>44373547
>all those screw holes
literally looks like a toy 2/10
>>44373753
>>44373789
Agreed, that's a thing of beauty, not so keen on le ebin biohazard logo on it tho.
>>44373814
This, my favourite gun/general aethetic of any game. Shame Zombie just left it to die once they smelled console sheks.
>>44390874
Well it takes .22 ammo, so it kinda is a toy.
>>44388194
Read the reply chain, moron. I hope people still get embarassed wgen they say shit like this.
>>44390874
I agree 100%. Even if I liked the overall design, which I kinda don't, seems like it would have been really easy to design it in a way where the screw holes aren't visible. Considering it probably costs a whole bunch, seems like they owe the consumer that.
>>44390897
Stupid fucking biohazard symbols are a product of this retarded zombie preppers movement. It's ugly and it's retarded. See also Hornady Zombie ammo, and the scores of ugly neon green zombie covered bullshit items on armslist.
Pic is of Vektor. South african gun that looks scifi enough to see use in scifi movies. Apparently it is a hunk of crap and it melts though.
>>44375238
1200 .45 rounds per minute with insanely easy grouping is no improvement?
>>44391759
>Apparently it is a hunk of crap and it melts though.
Truly the most rhodesian of guns then.
>>44374554
Most informed post in the thread.
>>44374909
Least intelligent post in the thread. Is hearing safety evil in your world?
>>44391029
But anon, that's not Glocknade.
>>44374554
>>44374681
>>44392741
GPMGs are good for killing, and good for suppressing to enable maneuver.
But what if you didn't need to maneuver to kill? Then rifles and machineguns become less important, without losing their individual deadliness. The various kamikaze drones already on the battlefield today (Battlehawk, Switchblade, Hero 30...) let both the scouting, confirmation, and killing happen from cover the whole time. Once a target is suppressed, drone it instead of maneuvering. Or if you have the drop on it, there's no need for suppression at all.
>>44380699
Oh god this is fucking hideous, why would anyone do this?
>>44380699
Oh god this is fucking awesome, why wouldn't anyone do this?
>>44390061
Lack of sleep doesn't help. I've seen perfectly intelligent individuals fuck up simple tasks in the military.
>>44380905
>Savage Worlds
>Near-future
D-do you play online? Do you happen to have room for one more?
>>44391759
>Read the reply chain, moron. I hope people still get embarassed wgen they say shit like this.
EPIC TUMBLR MEMES???
>>44374242
>What Kraut sorcery is this?
suprised i haven't seen the Steyr Aug A3
Even without attachements it looks nice
>>44374242
"Alright, what do we call it?"
"Well, we've glued two pistols together... so I was thinking... Double...Pistol?"
>>44393370
Itd honestly be cheaper to do that with an m1a
>>44390146
Interesting thing, there have been laser weapons in the past like that particular one. But some of the more likely energy weapons to be used would be high power RADAR devices that can be focused to damage electrical components in targets.
Basically future laser technology will probably be souped up laser illumination devices like that disturber or developments in manportable radar systems.
>>44381606
>AR-type weapons are some of the easiest to maintain firearms that has ever existed thus far
>>44391760
>25 rounds in 1.25 seconds of an obsolete round is a good thing
>>44377475
Replaced by something that causes the air around it to get into a short time ignition burst.
So Zephyr particles.
Beyond that, it won't advance, because it already works optimally as it can without changing it into a new weapon.
>>44385846
>dozen armchair /k/ommandos complaining about how your hover tank doesn't offer any real advantages to existing designs
I still haven't seen any realistic looking exotic weapon that could outdo any current weapon in near future.
A pulse laser would do it. But general view of laser weapons is a stupid ass burning weapon that sets target on fire instead of destroying it.
Luke Campbell likes to call them 'blaster' because they could variably blast their shit out of their target.
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/sidearmenergy.php
If capacitor/battery technology catches on, these weapon will be some damn beautiful instruments of death and destruction.
>>44393487
Unfortunately not, if you happen to be in Sydney Australia you might be in luck though.
Game's basically this crossed with Killing Floor, PCs are the clean up/spook team for a big cybernetics/medical company.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyd51lvu3xw
>>44372332
>>44393010
>>44393370
I think it looks okay, I think the pistol grip is a hair too far back from the trigger guard and it's throwing me off.
>>44381606
>That's because AR- and AK-type weapons are some of the best constructed, most durable, and easiest to maintain firearms that has ever existed thus far.
That's true of the AK, but not the AR.
And no, it's not some console war bullshit, it's just politics and economics. The AR isn't all that effective or durable, and it's comparatively maintenance heavy. In terms of pure field performance, it's pretty sub-par.
The reason that it's popular is because it won an exclusive contract back in the day and became standardized. It won said contract because it performed *well enough* (read: did not OUTperform) and was cheap and lightweight. And now that it's standardized, it's become ubiquitous and it's way easier/cheaper for new manufacturers to improve on the existing design.
Think about it, the biggest consumer of the AR platform is the US military. It's a HARD sell to get them to replace their entire stock of rifles, ammunition, spare parts, accessories, and re-train everyone with something new. It's way easier to sell them an AR-based platform that can still use some of the existing stock of parts, the existing stores of ammunition, and functions and handles the same so additional training is unnecessary.
Unfortunately, field performance is one of the least prioritized factors in designing infantry weapons.
>>44397067
>The AR isn't all that effective
Nope
>or durable,
Nope. Once they chrome plated the bolt carrier assemblies most all of the unreliability went away. Most of the remaining unreliability comes not from the gun, but the shitty magazines
>and it's comparatively maintenance heavy.
Not really. A lot of the reason the military has people clean the fuck out of them all the time has more to do with filling up a soldier's hours and hours of down time than any worries about the gun not working.
>In terms of pure field performance, it's pretty sub-par.
Nope.
I'm not going to disagree about difficulties getting the military to swap over or that there aren't better weapons out there, but just say that most of what you think you know about the AR platform is rooted in when they first came out and gunbunny tryhard's bullshit.
>>44397067
>In terms of pure field performance, it's pretty sub-par.
Is that why every organization that can choose its own weapons instead of getting whatever the politicians and generals dictate - HRT teams, high-end special forces, etc - almost always choose the AR?
>That's true of the AK
Nope. The AK's construction doesn't tolerate high round counts. No problem if you're an African militia soldier who never trains and can pick up a gun from a dead buddy whenever yours jams. Or, alternately, for rednecks and hipsters who will never fire more than a couple thousand rounds through the weapon in a decade. But for first-world militaries who can afford to train and actually have inventory management systems...it's right out.
Honestly your whole post manages to hit every "I know nothing, nothing" meme in the AR/AK debate history that it can.
>>44397183
>but just say that most of what you think you know about the AR platform is rooted in when they first came out
That was my point, though. I'm not arguing that they haven't been improved, and that MODERN AR's are way better. But that happened as a result of their popularity, it didn't cause it.
Remember, the point that I was responding to is that ARs and AKs are essentially the best and that's why they're popular. My point is that the truth is much more nebulous, and that their modern popularity has less to do with field performance than it has to do with logistics and military politics.
>>44397278
>Is that why every organization that can choose its own weapons instead of getting whatever the politicians and generals dictate - HRT teams, high-end special forces, etc - almost always choose the AR?
[citation needed]
Pretty sure China and Russia don't use any ARs.
>>44398274
It took ten years and three design alterations after adoption to work the kinks out of the AK. While the AK has more reliability when not properly maintained, it has the same lifespan as the AR and less ability to be repaired due to how its constructed.
>>44398376
I probably misrepresented myself in my initial post. I'm not arguing the AK's superiority, either. I'm just more familiar with the history of the AR, so that's what I focused on.
The entirety of my responses have been directed at this claim;
>>AR-15 and the countless AK-clones with modern muzzle energies will still be the thing in infantry warfare for many, many decades to come.
>That's because AR- and AK-type weapons are some of the best constructed, most durable, and easiest to maintain firearms that has ever existed thus far.
>Why fix what's not broken?
>>44397278
>Is that why every organization that can choose its own weapons instead of getting whatever the politicians and generals dictate - HRT teams, high-end special forces, etc - almost always choose the AR?
I'm with >>44398323. Do give us a source or numbers on this.
Some munition ideas.
>>44398614
39.2C* Does shit to your brain.
>>44397011
>Titanium
>Futuristic
You haven't read science news in a while, have you?
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v518/n7537/full/nature14144.html
>>44398629
>electromagnetical
That gun looks dope but why is the text on so much sci-fi art so fucking awful?
>>44398578
If we assume that those are 3.5in 12-ga shells with 00 buck, how fucking heavy would that magazine be?
Someone post the Kbar with a silencer!
>>44398754
wat
>>44373274
arguably, you would only need to equip spec ops teams ala ghost recon future soldier
