Did you really think an image limit could stop us?
>>44359177
>>44359184
>>44359197
>>44359228
far left one looks like he's on vacation by the beach waiting in line for his ice cream
>>44360634
more likely than you think
>>44359177
is there any other word for the linen armor?
>>44360742
the greek one that was discussed in the other thread?
I don't remember seeing a proper picture of what kind of cap or softening did soldiers wear underneath their helmet. I have seen picture of bascinet having padded liner, but how common was that in other helmet types? Or did they have same kind of strapping system as WW1 and 2 helmets had.
This also makes me wonder did they use same liners to soften mail coifs?
>>44360831
differs for every helmet, most ones that have way to many rivets is usaully because that's fixing the inside padding of some kind.
Separate padding caps were a thing too, but it mostly come down to your own taste if you wanted an integral padding or a separate one
>>44360775
Sadly that project is pretty much all bunk.
Link to a thread over at myarmoury where Dan Howard systematically demolishes the notion of glued linen armour. http://myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=32137
Link to an article also on myarmoury talking about medieval textile armours such as gambesons and jupons, many of which were made from many layers of quileted linen.
http://myarmoury.com/feature_spot_quilted.html
>>44361005
yeah I know, and there were even tests on myarmoury about how much linen stuff can whitstand
>>44360831
Helmet padding was usually fixed to the helmetby rivets or stitching, but armour padding was a separate garment, like a gambesson or arming doublet. The latter often had attachment points to help support plate armour pieces, but it was never stuck to the armour the way helmet lining often was.
The reasons are practical, mostly. A helmet doesn't really get wet on the inside, while plate armour might and chainmail absolutely does, so you'd get terrible problems with rust and drying it out would suck, and it can interfer with mobility in some areas when the layers of padding and armour are not independent.
Got any examples of Western European transitional plate and mail armor?
>>44361079
>A helmet doesn't really get wet on the inside
Have you ever wore a helmet and fight in it? trust me it get's pretty wet after a while. Especially if you put a little water there too to cool yourself
>>44361068
It's surprisingly good against arrows if I remember correctly. MyArmoury has a lot of interesting "test" threads, it's one of the few places where I've seen actually riveted mail of proper gauge and not indian crap tested against arrows and swords.
>>44359177
I RECOGNISE THAT FUCKER
>>44361128
>It gets wet if you put water in it.
That's really interesting, thank you for sharing that.
>>44361173
please try to read the whole post and be a retard after that. Thanks.
>>44361173
The fact that water gets into it at all is very relevant to the current discussion. How it gets in is not.
>>44361200
I did, please don't get butthurt when people poke fun at you for being unintentionally hilarious.
>>44361247
You wouldn't give a shit about him calling you a retard if he was just an anon.
>>44361247
So explaining how and why the helmet gets wet on the inside is hilarious?
>>44359197
Anybody want more of this stuff?
>>44360952
>>44361079
Hey thanks for info!
On rust, wouldn't it be smart to have separate liner cap. After the heat of battle to just take off the the cap and and swipe the innards of helmet from excess sweat?
>>44361366
Me, right here. I need to build up my folder anyway
>>44360775
i mean another name, i can't pronounce linothorax.
>>44361404
What the hell language is your mother tongue?
>>44361404
Ain't that tough. Im gonna assume you speak english so its ''Lie-No-Thor-Axe''
Unless Ive got it wrong myself.
>>44361426
Lee-no-Thor-axe.
>>44361400
PREPARE TO GET FUNCKED
>>44361434
Just pretend it's a Chink calmly explaining to a Norse god that he is not his axe.
>>44361404
noone can, but it's the way of the things. Claymore doesn't really have another name, Bidenhanders doesn't have another name, If it's country specific then more ofthen than not it won't have any other name than the original one in that country's language.
>>44361397
if you paint it from the inside too you don't have to worry THAt much about rusting. Plus even if it's an integral padding that doesn't mean you can't take it out, it just means you have to fuck with it for a few minutes or more to take it out and same for putting it back
>>44361404
>>44361426
portuguese, we don't even have a proper word for "breastplate", only one for cuirass
>>44361444
>>44361434
Oh. So would Xiphos be Xee-fos then?
>>44361451
I now have a strong need to see a movie with Jackie Chan fighting Thor.
>>44361444
Hell the fuck yeah.
>>44361470
well in hungary we doesn't really have a proper word for cuirass. And for a fuckton of other things. the chainmail/maillie distinction is completely lost to us too as it has only one word which basically means "shirt made out of chain"
Don't get me started on the weapons...
>>44361482
>>44361513
>>44361487
No fucking clue, mang. But Greek can be weird. I just got the lee-no-thor-axe thing from Wikipedia.
>>44361512
>one word refers to "shirt made out of chain"
What. How. How do you fit that much data into one word.
>>44361563
Unless Im wildly mistaken I think Hungarian is the language where you can form a full, grammatically correct sentence and not use a single vowel.
Do not underestimate them.
>>44361563
Easily. Chainshirt. Or even a chainer if the context is clear enough that this is the particular item incorporating chains that would immediately come to mind.
>>44361487
It would be pronounced Zee-Fos
>>44361563
"láncing"
easy as that
>>44361543
>>44361582
I... what?
that's totally not hungarian. We love our vowels, even the funny ones like in the word "árvíztűrőtükörfúrógép" and such
Favourite helmet, people?
Love me some frogmouth myself.
>>44361563
How is that a lot of data?
>>44361636
1) Holy fucking balls what is that
2) I may have been thinking of Czech
>>44361649
>>44361649
>>44361682
I fucking hate frogmouth. Greathelms too.
No, the majestic Savoyard close helm's where it's at.
>>44361667
It's three bits of information. It is a shirt, it is made out of something, this something is chain.
>>44361673
It means "flood-resistant mirror drilling machine".
I think.
>>44361673
árvíztűrőtükörfúrógép is basically a correct world although it means a (hopefully) non-existing thing. A drill that can withstand floods and used for drilling mirrors. Also they made it up because it's hilarious so you can easily remember it and there is all the tricky vowels in it so you can test it if a charset can show all of them
>>44361705
Me and you, in the park, 20 minutes.
I'll wear frogmouth, you wear savoyard.
Then we'll see which helm is better.
>>44361749
You mean I'll see which helm is better. You won't be seeing shit in your froghelm.
>>44361749
Doesn't a Frogmouth rob you of all sight?
>>44361734
Well then, fair enough I guess. I study Linguistics and I dont even want to try to pronounce that
>>44361512
here too, we don't have chainmail/maille distinction, to be true we don't even have distinction between a jack of plates, chainmail, brigantine or any other shit. The best thing we can do its call it "Camisa de malha com placas" that means something like "shirt made out of chains with plates somewhere" but this doesn't even make any sense.
>>44361215
haha
Fabulous!
>>44361764
>>44361767
Don't need line of sight to beat savoyard defending nerds like you into a pulp.
You'll be screaming too loud for me to lose you.
>>44361161
>>44361734
Hey, quick linguistic question; which system do you prefer? Using vowels with accents to represent different sounds, or using combinations of vowels like we do?Apologies for not knowing shit about Hungarian if it also does the whole combination of vowels thing.
>>44361749
Which park? I want to laugh at you guys wearing the kettle hat master race
>>44361789
You're talking to 2 different guys there man.
I dont like the Savoyard either. Too many gaps. A good Norman helm, with a faceplate, would be my preference but then again I value my ability to see where a motherfucker is coming from highly.
>>44361789
Come and take. I'm bulletproof, nothing to lose. Fire away, fire away.
Unlike your froghelm. That's just combat proof. That is to say, it's proof you don't do combat.
>>44361822
The one outside my house. Navigation won't be a strong point for me so I don't want to have to walk far.
>>44361828
Fisticuffs dude. Let's see you hit me while you leave yourself open with those massive 'gouge my eye' targets on your front.
>>44361824
Another pussy who needs visibility during a battle. I just close my eyes and swing till someone that isn't French tells me to stop.
>>44361862
How is that gonna help when you start walking to the right and your enemy is on the left? Or if you get turned around because some cunt tried to run you down with a fucking horse?
Me, personally, I want to be able to see so I can end the cunt Im fighting, or cunts, more easily. If I can see him, I can stab him.
>>44361734
>>44361636
in portuguese we can do it too
Brocàntividricàquopresuriresistente
its something like "drill that is made for breaking glass with water and pressure resistance", lets say thansk to the new Portuguese orthographic agreement
>>44361862
Lets see you hit me with a fucking bucket on your head. It's just a shame you won't be able to see my awesome face when I deposit you into the trash can that is your helmet.
>>44361767
>I dont even want to try to pronounce that
actually it's among the easy words I mean you write it the same way as you have to pronounce it, now tricks there. We have way trickier words
>>44361774
>jack of plates, chainmail, brigantine or any other shit
We doesn't even have a word for any of those. At all. We have to use foreign words for it as hungarian simply doesn't have one for those.or start describing the whole things, but then it's not a word anymore
>>44361801
different letters for different sounds. The combination things is pants on head retarded in our eyes. I can't remember any words in hungarian right now where you would have to say a letter differently because it's near something very specific.
On the other hand we have the letter "s" "cs" "sz" and "zs" among other things but that's a different story really as they are different letters
>>44361899
Okay, honest question: Whats Hungarian beer and/or liquor like?
>>44361892
>Enemies not constantly all around you so you hit them no matter what.
Obviously you're fighting for the wrong lord. If you aren't in the biggest battles the world has ever seen, you're doing it wrong.
>>44361895
Fuck, that's a nice smug armour face.
Too bad I don't need to see. I cover my hands in my own excrement before we fight and smear it on you as soon as we start. Don't need to see you when I can fight you.
>>44361930
Sorry, Don't need to see when I can smell you I meant.
>>44361862
>The one outside my house.
as long as you don't live very close to me I will just laugh at your inferior taste from the comfyness of my home.
Also did I tell you that daggers are really good for opening bottles?
>>44361930
Nah, its just we tend to over-run the field pretty quickly. Hard to be surrounded by enemies when few forces last more than 1 charge before they turn and flee
>>44361899
>We have to use foreign words for it
Eh, that's your word for it then. I mean, like you say, we call zweihanders zweihanders and linothorax linothorax.
>different letters for different sounds
That's interesting. I've heard the whole combination thing is the thing people find hardest to work with when learning English.
I remember learning to read, though. And I don't remember the combinations being hard to learn at all (and I'm not in any way a linguistic genius). So maybe it's more than just the lettering.
>>44361930
How will you be able to smell the shit when your head's already covered in it?
>>44361978
>Horse charges
>Doing anything
>Ever
OPONIENDO PICAS A CABALLOS
>>44361923
Beer is eh.
Distilled alcohol and wine are awesome (except the cheap stuff, which is, well, cheap).
>>44362009
And who in the sweet, salty fuck said anything about horses? You will run through the fucking shit and mud like a man and you will fucking like it.
>>44361978
Simple. Just make sure you're always fighting on enemy turf. Even if you overrun the field and end up in a neighbouring village then those peasants probably had it coming.
>>44361923
hungarian beer is mediocre at best, kind of bad at worst. Then again I don't like beer so I might be a little biased there.
But hungary is mostly famous for the hard liquors anyway, like "pálinka" that's the thing that everyone knows around here and everyone's grandfather makes home made versions of it. Very important part of our culture and the fact that you can make pálinka out of ANYTHING. When I say anything I doesn't mean only fruits. I doesn't mean fruits and vegetables. I doesn't even mean plants in general. You can technically make pálinka out of used tractor tires as well, and I'm pretty sure there were people who already tried it and succeeded.
Hungary is among the most alcoholic countries in the word because you honestly can't bear this shithole otherwise
>>44362041
Fair enough. I guess its probably hard to distinguish between an enemy fighter and a peasant with a frogmouth on anyway
>>44362052
So pálinka is like Poteen. Cool. I guess Ill have to give it a go. Have ye just touristy versions now or can you still get the real shit in shops?
>>44362032
The Swiss tried that. It worked for a while.
Before old El gran capitán and Gorg himself, that is.
>>44361893
ok boys, does any other language can do this too? am i the only one who does have a "normal' language?
>>44362052
I knew a guy who worked in a Wimpy's near me who came from Hungary. He was a cool guy, pretended to laugh at my shitty "why are you hungry if you work at Wimpy's" joke. I was like seven at the time, though.
>>44362091
Try Welsh.
>>44362078
Still good enough for fucking up peasants/monks and stealing their shit. And after all, isn't that what warfare is really about?
>>44362091
German can. And Japanese... sort of? Like in Japanese you can add modifiers that make the prior sentence a question etc.
I think Irish does too but Im not really educated enough in it to say
>>44362009
Picas in portuguese its a vulgar name for dicks
>>44361992
>I remember learning to read, though. And I don't remember the combinations being hard to learn at all (and I'm not in any way a linguistic genius). So maybe it's more than just the lettering.
I will go against the common hungarian beliefe now that hungarian is the hardest language is to learn but in reality every language is the same if you look at it on how hard it is to learn.
Because looking at the statistical average everyone little kids learn to speak and write in roughly the same age. If one language would be REALLY harder then kids there would learn it later.
Then again AFTER you learned a language and got used to that stuff it IS harder to learn another one that goes completely against the known (for you) forms
>>44362027
ahh yeah, wine too that's kind of important although varies
>>44362073
you can but home made one is the real one according to popular belief. Although in smaller villages you can get in a fight if you have strong opinions on pálinka and they are the wrong ones
>>44362122
Hungary is starting to sound a lot like Ireland. I think I might like it there. Ill have to pencil it in as a place to visit.
>>44362116
Warfare is about capturing the means of production, not taking the produce. You're a noble here, not some grocery shopper gone wrong.
>>44362118
I'm not surprised. It's long and pointy.
>>44362134
>Hungary sounds like Ireland
>So I'll go there
>>44362148
Eh, wealth and glory in battle is good enough for me desu.
Besides, if you keep on raiding you drive the cunts away often times.
>>44362162
Im Irish bruh. I am currently sitting in my house in Ireland. Its not as bad as people say, good craic t.b.h.
>>44362148
That sergeant. Those eyes...
>>44362148
Whas yer man wheeling around? I assume the extra crossbows are so he always has one loaded or something but is the wheelbarrow for his ammo?
>>44362183
Anon, if Ireland was not as bad as people say, you would not be comparing it to Hungary.
And tell that raiding thing to the English. Didn't do us a whole load of good in the Hundred Years War.
>>44361482
Does anyone have information about the wonky helms pictured here? Some of these look more or less like what I've seen in museums, but I have no idea what some of these are. Specifically helms 22, 23, 26 and 27. Can anyone point me to the artifact or painting that these are based on? Or are these just some artist's conjecture?
Also, contributing with a greathelm.
As a Finn it is always fun to walk into discussion on weird and hard languages and then just shit on them.
But well Welsh can get quite close, but it is not civilized language.
>>44362091
you mean putting together stuff and call it a word? Germans are the best at it, but we have a few long ones too like megszentségteleníthetetlenségeskedéseitekért or if we allow the "-" sign then there is
összetettszóhosszúságvilágrekorddöntéskényszerneurózistünetegyüttes-megnyilvánulásfejleszthetőségvizsgálatszervezésellenőrzésiügyosztály-létszámleépítésellenesakciócsoporttagságiigazolványmegújításikérelem-elutasítóhatározatgyűjteményértékesítőnagyvállalatátalakításutó-finanszírozáspályázatelbírálóalapítványkuratóriumelnökhelyettesellenes-merényletkivizsgálóbizottságiüléselnapolásiindítványbenyújtásiforma-nyomtatványkitöltögetésellenőrizhetőség-próba
>>44362134
nah, weather is different, way more of a shithole, but we actually hide that fact with more or less success and there are way more gypsy
>>44362220
Well, I ain't been to Hungary but Ive been to a lot of other places and I still prefer to come back here at the end of the day.
Might just be because its where Im from though. I know our sense of humour doesn't always translate the best but if ya get it you'll have good craic here.being Irish is great, I once convinced a group of Americans that we eat a whole Leprechaun every year on Paddies day
>>44362259
Honestly dude, the place I come from is most known for a cow that once fell off the top of a castle. Anywhere would probably be a step up.
And we have gypsies too. Also our own local variant, the Tinkers and the Travellers. Depends on who ya ask if they're seperate. Tinkers have their own variant of Irish though...
>>44362259
>összetettszóhosszúságvilágrekorddöntéskényszerneurózistünetegyüttes-megnyilvánulásfejleszthetőségvizsgálatszervezésellenőrzésiügyosztály-létszámleépítésellenesakciócsoporttagságiigazolványmegújításikérelem-elutasítóhatározatgyűjteményértékesítőnagyvállalatátalakításutó-finanszírozáspályázatelbírálóalapítványkuratóriumelnökhelyettesellenes-merényletkivizsgálóbizottságiüléselnapolásiindítványbenyújtásiforma-nyomtatványkitöltögetésellenőrizhetőség-próba
>>44362293
>being Irish is great, I once convinced a group of Americans that we eat a whole Leprechaun every year on Paddies day
Was an inordinate amount of alcohol involved here, or had you lobotomised them beforehand?
>>44362293
we have the "stab you for your phone" kind of gypsies and the "smelling like shit, always loud and start fights" kind of gypsies here. Plus corruption everywhere, high prices and low wages, nothing is getting repaired ever, if it does then it's shit a month later again...
I could go on...
We have a few nice places and if you don't spend too much time here you might think this is a nice place, but honestly if you live here it's shit
>>44362328
They were unreasonably wealthy and genuinely confused as to why we were surprised that they lived in a 17 million dollar house.
They were special people.
In other news:>>44362293
I apparently can't spoiler for shit
>>44362352
We have those as well. Also the ''Give me a bit of hospitality or I'll fucking curse your house'' kind. And the ones that sell scrap.I know a youngfella was stabbed for not buying drugs off a kid. The kid took it as an insult. Then again, the dude was like the 1 emo in an estate of settled ''gypsies'' so that wasn't that unusual
>>44362352
Sounds like you need to get gulaging.
>>44362358
How the shit did they have that much money if they were that gullible?
>>44362393
The father of the family, an Irishman himself, got really lucky with investments and cashed out at a high point.
>>44362387
>Also the ''Give me a bit of hospitality or I'll fucking curse your house'' kind. And the ones that sell scrap.
nobody believes that kind of shit here... only the new age kind of bullshits.
>>44362393
>Sounds like you need to get gulaging.
soviets did that to a few of us, after second world war. Then even more after '56
At the end of the day they took away the ones that were brave enough to do something, the ones who were clever enough left before that and the rest remained.
One of my grandfathers was also taken to a gulag after '56
>>44362468
Nobody really believes it here either, especially since half the cunts are so inbreed their left eye is in their right socket and vice versa.
They still try it on though. And most of us realise ''curse your house'' is really code forfirebomb your house
>>44362468
To be fair, '56 was fucking badass as shit.
Our gypsies are quite calm compared to yours, maybe it just is the eternal darkness and depression, but they are still scumbags.
Once visited Hungary few years ago, friend of mine is half-hungarian and his family lives near Veszprem in that one town which name evades my mind. It has castle on top of hill inte middle of it. I must say it was a pretty fun trip, especially as the weather was clear and hot as in sauna.
>>44362259
i mean, do you language orthography rules permit this?
Fuck all your Gypsies.
My history teacher was Roma, he was cool as shit.
>>44360811
What is the purpose of the cockchamber? Was it for accidental boners? The medieval equivalent of the sock in the pants? Did the dome shaped cavity provide more structure to the crotch?
>>44362494
there was one guy here who after got really tired that gypsies stealing his vegetables set up a second fence behind his first one and put electricity in the second one and put up a table saying the equivalent of "this will fucking kill you, get the fuck away"
Gypsies regardless came and one of them died in the process of stealing because he was fucked by electricity.
police and law system comes in, got the guy on trial and after a lot of years o trials and whatevers the guy hangs himself because he can't bear it anymore, all the bureaucratic bullshit and death threats and whatevers,
hint: h wouldn't win the case either.
>>44362513
yeah kind of. It's a shame that there was never a chance to actually win it.
>>44362528
you mean all those long words? yes.
>>44362558
>The medieval equivalent of the sock in the pants?
Yep.
>>44362564
Fortunately we're not that far gone yet. I know lads have shot some of em and no harm done.
Well, harm from the fuckers themselves but nothing from the law.
And theres always the old shotgun loaded with rock salt.
>>44362558
sock in the pants equivalent, and it was part of the fashion too. Like, everyone had codpiees in their cloths during a time and slowly it went to the armor fashion too.
It kind o protected your dick too but not in an important way, I mean it's already pretty much protected in most armour
>>44362543
the difference between a roma and a gypsy is roughly the same as the difference between an african american gentleman and a nigger
>>44362543
There is romanis, and there is gypsies. Know the difference it might save your life.
But back to armor and armor accessories.
I had the joy to slog one year in FDF and carry the full kit. Has any of you ever had a chance to compare these two weight loads? I know full kit weights much more than full kit of armouring, but is the development of carrying equipment and boots made the difference?
>>44362564
>hint: h wouldn't win the case either.
Well no shit, people stealing vegetables is bad but he charged his fence enough to kill someone. That's manslaughter anywhere, mang.
Anyway, can you actually LARP in real armour? I've heard people say it's shit-tier because of how hot it gets, but the idea still seems pretty cool.
>>44362606
>>44362617
>roma-gypsy divide
Uh, all right. I thought they were one and the same (or rather that Roma was a type of gypsy, the latter being a word used to refer to loads of different people).
>>44362597
there was another case where one guy noticed that others stealing his wine. So after a while he put some antifreezer in one bottle instead of wine and they stole that too. The thief later died because of poisoning, no surprise there.
The guy who owned the wine originally was put in jail because of this.
>>44362594
>>44362606
Good to know if 1600s nobles were born today they'd also be posting "MFW small dick" threads on R9K.
>>44362606
>Like, everyone had codpiees in their cloths during a time
Was there any real reason for this? Was everyone in danger of being kicked in the dick - or when you say everyone do you mean nobles who wanted to show off their "big cocks"?
>>44362543
>>44362606
Case in point: a gypsy of the sort being discussed here wouldn't be a history teacher.
We just have the fortune teller conwoman types around here these days I think. If we still have any others they never really showed up on my radar.
>>44362643
Thats harsh shit.
Thing is, too much IRA in my area. Catching anyone would be near impossible and actually convicting someone would be harder again.
And thats assuming the Judge or investigating officers didn't get kneecapped or disappeared.
>>44362695
Does the IRA even do anything anymore?
>>44362656
Trousers were pantaloons, and they didn't have a joining between each leg. This meant that the crotch was bare, so you had to have another item of clothing there. Naturally, this quickly became padded.
>>44362695
I appreciate this is pretty unsensitivebut it's 4chan who gives a fuck, but what was the whole thinking behind the IRA? Hadn't Northern Ireland decided it wanted to stay in the UK, or something?
>>44362643
Well, escalating from 'Theft' to 'Murder' IS a crime.
It's like pulling a gun on a con artist.
>>44362639
>Well no shit, people stealing vegetables is bad but he charged his fence enough to kill someone.
Well inside his own property way behind the original fence. I'm pretty sure if it were the US people would have been A-okay with it... well in texas probably or some other similar state.
>Anyway, can you actually LARP in real armour?
did it several times, nothing really strange about it, you just don't have to be a complete pussy. Doesn't even need to be actually fit or anything just quit bitching that's all.
>>44362617
>I know full kit weights much more than full kit of armouring, but is the development of carrying equipment and boots made the difference?
Boots. Boots make a fucking big difference on if you march and walk all day. As long as it's more or less soft ground under your boots the difference isn't that big. But if you have hard/sharp rocks or pavement then period boots are shit compared to modern ones.
>>44362656
>Was there any real reason for this?
fashion. Originally you had separate hoses for both of your legsm, then came the piece that at first joned these two together with lacing and after that sewn together and so came the joined hose, then around late 15th, early 16th some guy though
"WHAT IF!!! I put some padding in my codpiece so it looks like I have a permanent hardon all the time?" it was just a little padding at first but it catched on and got more and more dick shaped. Various shapes forms and sizes were made, then later at late 16th century it died out.
Also the padding isn't in a place where it would actually protect your dick from a kick
>>44362732
cool, i learned something today anon, ty
>>44362734
yeah but are you REALLY responsible if someone breaks into your hose gets in your fridge where you store your antifreez for some reason and drinks it?
Or if you put up an electric fence way inside your property and put up a table to not come here it's an electric fence it will fuck you up and then someone breaks into your property and fucks himself with the electricity?
Mind you the electric fence on it's own is legal, so is storing antifreez in your fridge
>>44362726
Sorta... community policing mainly. But its more like old IRA dudes who have the tools and knowledge take it upon themselves.
>>44362732
Actually thats kinda a contentious topic but basically the borders of voting zones were modified such that there was a guaranteed protestant majority in enough of them that the vote carried. Statistically, most of the population voted to leave.
Also, bear in mind, the original IRA is actually currently the Army of the Irish Republic. What you're thinking of is the New IRA which then split later into the Real IRA and the Continuity IRA. Its... its complicated.
>>44361635
>>44362765
You are if you KNOW someone is going to drink it.
If he'd been storing antifreeze with no knowing of the theft? That's fine, it was an unfortunate accident.
It's the foreknowledge that turns it from an accident into premeditated murder.
>>44362735
>did it several times, nothing really strange about it
Excellent.
>>44362745
Hungarian put it better here >>44362735...
>>44362765
If you expect that someone is going to drink it/touch the fence, yes.
>>44362766
Ah, gerrymandering. I thought it might have been something like that.
>>44362795
Yup. And ya know whats funny? It was mainly so they wouldn't have to change the fucking flag.
>>44362781
>>44362795
>If you expect that someone is going to drink it/touch the fence, yes.
Honestly I wouldn't expect anyone other than me touch my stuff in my home. Although I would say this to the cops too with a straight face and would be HONESTLY surprised of those upstanding gentlemen died.
also I have a good part of a book on my comp about an armour codpiece, until I find it here is my codpiece and nuts next to another guy ballsalso I have pics of half the landsknecht camp's codpieces from Drachenfest because of... resons
>>44362735
Yeah, I thought that boots are the answer. It could get pretty heavy to carry all the shit on ourselves, especially as we were mortars.
Bodyarmor and helmet are like 13kg, then gun 4kg, 6 full mags 3,5kg and rest of the shit easily gets to 20-25kg. And this is without backpack which would have extra clothing, food and water, messkits etc. Easily we had 30kg of equipment on. But this is not where it ends. Different mortarmen carry different parts of the mortar (16-20kg), few grenades in backpack and tools.
It wasn't easy back then, and not nowadays.
>>44362865
>Honestly I wouldn't expect anyone other than me touch my stuff in my home
Sadly, the history rules that out as a fall-back.
That's a fucking impressive codpiece.
Its so frustrating for normal people sometimes.
The police do jack shit about the scum in lots of places but if you dare to actually defend your own home/property you are suddenly the bad guy.
>>44362911
well there is the fact too that back in the day you didn't need to carry that much shit yourself. I mean there were always the wagons and the whole camp / camp followers. when an army marched. So your rations, water, separate cloths, weapons whatever were there. you brought to the fight what you actually needed there not 5+ days of stuff too and stuff to camp out with.
Different tactics, different logistics, different objectives
>>44362967
Is that another codpiece seen from the bottom?
>>44362978
yep
>>44362765
If you disguise it as an ordinary drink with the intent to poison them with it, It kinda is.
>>44362995
The fence thing is still pretty fucked though. I mean, he literally left a warning.
>>44362995
The only problem with that guy was that he said that's why he put the antifreezer. If he doesn't say shit about that he MIGHT not get in jail as proving intent is kind of hard.
I mean I store my linseed oil in coca cola bottles because that's what's most convenient for me, but if anyone would drink that I would put up a straight face and act completely surprised on why would someone break into my house pur out all of my cola, put linseed oil in the bottles and then drink it.
It's really a shame that linseed oils only cause diarrhea
>>44362967
That is true, war has changed. But all this is pretty neat stuff, how armors and fighting developed to beat each other. What is the next piece of evolution of arms and armor?
But here larp is not as big thing, but boffing. The biggest boffing event annual gathers about 600 participants. Stuff is pretty neat looking, think Battle of the Nations but with padded weapons.
>>44363039
Well, as of now the development seems to be moving towards drones and such largely alone with soldiers as part of an integrated network
Anyone got good images of a Valaska or however you spell it? That slavic ''Shepherd's Axe'' yoke.
Google aint turning up shit for me
>>44363039
are you finn? because then you can take a trip to sweden on denmark and have a fuckton of larp, like warheart/krigshartja or however they write it, and the likes.
>What is the next piece of evolution of arms and armor?
like in he future or the next one we should talk about here that happened in the past?
>>44362915
>That's a fucking impressive codpiece.
thanks. it was a little bigger on the drawing board but we had to make it more modest because I did not wanted to cause eyes injures simply by standing up or turning.
Also after it was done a little later I started my leather jerkin
>>44363076
well, hungary isn't slavic but there was this thing called "fokos" which is basically a shepherd's axe
>>44363110
Please tell me that pun was intentional
>>44363122
That seems like what Im looking for. A bearded axe at the top and a spearhead on the bottom, eh?
>>44362766
>Actually thats kinda a contentious topic but basically the borders of voting zones were modified such that there was a guaranteed protestant majority in enough of them that the vote carried. Statistically, most of the population voted to leave.
It's kinda trickier I think (unless we're talking about different times or something). There was a majority Protestant area in northern Ireland in 1912-1922 that would have stayed out of an independent Ireland no matter what. However, this did not match neatly with historical Ulster OR the borders of some of the counties in it. Eventually it was decided to carve up Ulster but the border they decided on still left a lot of Catholics on the NI side. And later Catholics multiplied faster than Protestants, the latter got spooked that they will reverse the arrangement, and that led to the 70s Troubles.
That doesn't explain the IRA though I just realised, aside from their continued relevance due to the Catholics in NI. The thing with IRA is that some of the Irish nationalists never accepted the division and never stopped dreaming of reuniting no matter how impossible it is without an all-out war and coercion of the Protestants. So they and their political allies and representatives are still fighting for that, or at least for any minor gains they can squeeze out that would sort of favour that, like equal political rights for Catholics in the North.
>>44363122
Hungary's just weird, honestly.
>>44363149
Well you've got to bear in mind that the nationalism/creed thing was mixed in with a lot of politics. Socialism vs. Capitalism and the like.
>>44363153
Not as weird as the Basques.
>>44363169
Yeah yeah. I recall IRA sort of split (again) on some of them being Marxists. Still the main issues are Irish irredentism and Catholic-Protestant strife. Both of which sometimes seem to be fading, only to explode again.
>>44363170
They are also weird.
>>44363149
Thats the indepth version, yeah. At the end of the day, the intent behind the IRA wastwofold: 1)Defend Northern Irish Catholics 2) Eventually force England to return NI to the Republic.
At the end of the day, its a highly complex issue. Anything that can include the phrase ''the Real IRA, who aren't the real IRA'' is just never gonna be clean and simple
>>44363141
>Please tell me that pun was intentional
look at this fine example of leather jerkin on the right and then you tell me.
>That seems like what Im looking for. A bearded axe at the top and a spearhead on the bottom, eh?
well, I wouldn't call it a spearhead but yeah a pointy metal bit
>>44363153
I doesn't even started talking about the folk myth monsters like the copper penis owl and the such
>>44363060
For us footsloggers there is always place in battlefield. Numbers in field provide strenght and stupidly simple, but effective equipment trumps high tech super soldiers belive it or not. Art of modern war is to not to be seen and act when enemy doesn't know where we are.
>>44363110
Yeah I am a Finn, but currently I am content for participating in few RPGs over the net. My plan thought is to start making my first own gambeson this spring. Just simple one, several layers of cloth instead of proper padding.
Ehh, we are "island nation" only Russia has proper land border with us. And it makes it hard to just go to Sweden as distance is pretty large. From where I live it is 500km to Helsinki and gad costs fortune.
>>44363149
To elaborate on the border - they ended up agreeing to exclude six of the Counties, but there was supposed to be a border comission that would establish a border that would make more sense from an ethnic-religious perspective. But then it just sort of fell through when the border comission took away some land from both sides. The Irish Free State would've gained more than it lost to Northern Ireland in the process, area and population-wise, but the government in Dublin was aghast at the idea of being held responsible for ceding some Irish soil they already got back to the British, so they just scrapped the whole thing. Could've been a lot more sensible and safe if they didn't, but... there we go.
>>44363233
To be fair, its not like ''sensible and safe'' is the Irish way. For fuck sake, the emergency powers put in place to deal with WW2 werent repealed till 1972 I think it was.
>>44363226
>Just simple one, several layers of cloth instead of proper padding.
hold on to your ass: that's a proper gambeson. Well depending on what you call proper but if you use somewhere around 20 layers that's pretty much in the proper. Could be less, depending on how thick layers you use. And if it's just for a larp you can go lower because noone will fucking care.
>Ehh, we are "island nation" only Russia has proper land border with us. And it makes it hard to just go to Sweden as distance is pretty large. From where I live it is 500km to Helsinki and gad costs fortune.
do it once a year for a bigger game. I do that for drachenfest and I have to travel more than 1000km for that, by train.
You can just catch one of those booze ferries to be in sweden
>>44362833
>>44363259
Yeah fair enough. Goes double for the nationalist movement's leaders I think. They were very interesting people. By this I mean they were complete amateurs. Like if /tg/ decided to lead a nationalist uprising somewhere and the government they rebelled against just gave up because they were too weird and confusing. And then they quarrelled over whether or not they get to call themselves a republic and started a civil war.
Michael Collins was probably alright though, from what I read.
>>44363259
>For fuck sake, the emergency powers put in place to deal with WW2 werent repealed till 1972 I think it was.
what? you put up new ones? pussies... There are still buildings here that got bullets from both WW2 and '56. Sometimes a mortar shell or a bomb is also found in the attic at the middle of the downtown.(or in building sites but that's way too common all around europe)
>>44363289
If I am going to do something I will do it proper, not some half assed gambeson-lite.
>>44363342
>Yeah fair enough. Goes double for the nationalist movement's leaders I think. They were very interesting people. By this I mean they were complete amateurs. Like if /tg/ decided to lead a nationalist uprising somewhere and the government they rebelled against just gave up because they were too weird and confusing. And then they quarrelled over whether or not they get to call themselves a republic and started a civil war.
that is... awfully similar to what happened in the "4chan island" threads
>>44363332
>>44363342
It all depends on the source you read from really.
Im always gonna be biased though, I grew up in Limerick for fuck sake
>>44363350
Well, we needed a way to convince England we weren't siding with Germany. They didn't really do shit but allow the government to dibs all the coal though.
And as for old buildings, my house used to be a famine house and had what we're pretty sure was the marks from a shotgun blast above the fireplace.
>>44363350
Yeah I remember when we walked around Budapest to see bullet holes and shrapnel markings. Especially on the Castle Hill.
>>44361397
The thing is that the liner is usually just attached along one seam, so you can kind of "pull out" the top part of the lining and just leave it hanging from the attachment point, so it's way easier to dry out than attached lining would be on a whole suit of armour, and it's worth the hassle to not have to worry about your liner sliding down in your face or forget where you put it when you have to pull your helmet on in a hurry or random stuff like that in the heat of battle.
>>44363367
all I'm saying that gambesons like that existed. Although some would argue the term gambeson there but there are a fuckton of different padded cloths with overlap and I'm using the word padded in a very vague sense.
Little later thing but fencing jackets have little to no padding either, just a lot of layers of linen and/or thick leather
>>44363403
Yeah fair enough. I'm not even from anywhere around those islands, I just study early 20th century British politics and you can't touch that without reading about... all of that.
Collins just seemed to have it more together than a lot of the other leaders. Plus the "today I signed my death warrant" story has impressed me. I'm sure there are other perspectives though.
>>44363545
Im having a hard time grasping the precise purpose of this sword?
>>44363568
I can't say I know enough or have a clear enough view really. Its certainly interesting though.
>>44361828
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Erskine_Childers Childers was probably the weirdest one of the lot though, and maybe one of the most amateurish and tgish.
>>44363622
Didn't ye get fucked up by a bunch of fucking tribesmen ambushing ye in a forest?
>>44363659
Im gonna fuck the armour
>>44363440
Been doing some reading on gambesons and read through some articles. Pretty interesting how few layers of cloth can save your life.
Been thinking something this long, maybe bit longer and holes in arm pits to let air move and cool me off. Seen one gambeson with removable sleeves.
>>44363704
elbows are fucked up on that one, shoulder isn't right either.
Also there were a fuckton of gambesons with holes in the armpits or removable sleeves.
And about cloth saving your life, think about just this: even one layer of thin cloth is enough to not get a bruise if you fall and the pavement would scratch you up otherwise. Padding the blow is just one thing that a gambeson do but it also let's the blow... displace a litte. I don't know what's the correct term for it but it can slide a little so not all the force goes to small area.
>>44363823
It distributes incoming force? Is that what ya mean?
>>44363654
...quid?
>>44363844
nah, that1s kind of the padding. I mean that the fabric and the several layers can slide a little on each other. It isn't much but the difference between slight bruise and no bruise. Which, again, isn't that much but if you are on the receiving end and do it a lot you can really appreciate it
>>44363888
Ah, right. Fair enough.
So, Hungarian. You seem pretty fucking knowledgeable. How good would Iron plate armour be? Does the fact of it being Iron rrender it less effective than, say, steel halfplate or some such?
>>44363919
depends on what you call steel. I mean steel is just iron with a specific percentage of carbon in it. And pure iron is pretty much can be formed by hand so nobody uses pure iron for anything armor related.
but generally speaking when people figured out the know how they used hardened steel because it's better
>>44363981
Huh. Fair enough. So its that soft, eh?
Sound out man
>>44363919
plenty of early plate elements, viking age, 10th-12th centuries were probably wrought iron plate, not steel.
its not as hard, it might be a little heavier (not as strong, so its made thicker), but it does the job just as well.
>>44364021
when I say pure iron I mean 100% or close to that iron element that contains nothing else. In truth you doesn't really find that, in natural form iron always contains some kind of impurities, more often then not it's carbon, among other things. And at a specific percentage of carbon (around 2% but mostly less) we call the iron steel because one clever motherfucker though that would be cool and everyone rolled with it.
but that's an entire field of science, working with that. Sadly I some people tried to teach this to me but fortunately I forgot most of it.
here look at this neat little picture. Don't know what's the english term for it but I presume it translates well and we called it carbon-transition-graph
>>44364147
ehh fuck wrong pic
>>44364147
I think our term is the same. Looks interesting.
So I guess so long as you had the means to forge large enough sheets, you could make effective, if heavy, Iron plate armour?
>>44361444
>Funke
>all those ye olde maille reconstructions
>at least one of which was actually turned into a full scale reproduction that got used in a movie
>>44364191
steel and iron have roughly the same mass, not excately but in this case it the difference doesn't really matter it's just a few grams basically.
the real difference is that steel won't deform that easily which is a good thing if you want to prevent damage in your squishy bits. But here is a fun fact: if your armor deforms from an attack that also negates the force to some extent, think about how F1 cars have collision areas or whatever it is called. Although obviously that would need a repair immediately.
BUT, here is another funny thing: you can make the iron sturdier by shaping it, like in gothic armors the fuckton of flutes while stylish they were it had a way better purpose: make the whole thing sturdier. Plus stabs and such could slide off way better, that's another good thing.
Anyway this is kind of complicated, but if you can make good steel then that's always better in a functional way, but if it economically and logistically worth it that's another question. (usually it does worth it except in extreme cases)
>>44364331
You're a gent man. Thanks
Visby armor that was recovered.
>>44364379
if we can get KM here he could talk way more about this and in a way more professional manner
>>44364331
>steel and iron have roughly the same mass, not excately but in this case it the difference doesn't really matter it's just a few grams basically.
about 7.75 g cm3 vs 7.85g - or to put it another way, make a solid Minecraft-esque cube 1m to a side, the difference between the two materials will be about 10kg, with both being about 7.8 tonnes.
where weight difference comes in is simple strength-weight ratios. Wrought is not as hard, not as springy, more malleable, so needs thicker material for the same protective amount, roughly around 1/3 to 1/2 extra - ie, a 2.5mm thick helm would need to be about 3.5mm thick in wrought - and with a resultant increase in weight of 1/3 to half as much extra.
>>44362865
>also I have pics of half the landsknecht camp's codpieces from Drachenfest because of... resons
>only half
Sorry, but you'll have to hand in that man-card and eat bon-bons for the rest of your life according to the Internet.
>>44363604
The sword is for disarming, I think
>>44363604
>Im having a hard time grasping the precise purpose of this sword?
It's a venetian Marine sword. Apparently they figured that having a saw with huge fucking theeth would be super-helpful on shipboard.
>>44364664
Fair enough then. Maybe it was meant for cutting cables and ropes better?
>>44364582
well, the other half of the camp did not had codpieces because they were girls. I mean the regular kind of girls, the ones without a dick (although even then there was one who had a codpiece)
>>44363604
what >>44364664 said with adding that after a few years they realized it's a terrybad idea and stopped making it and pretended it never happened
>>44364710
yep, cutting ropes was the idea. But the fact that they stopped making these and never returned to the idea of this shape ever tells it wasn't that great
>>44361649
these are by far my favorite type, but it sucks they only make sense for jousting
>>44362765
if it was america you could just shoot the bastard
>>44361705
>hating greathelms
Say that to me irl u fuckin saracen
>>44361895
Kawaii as fuck
Does this count?
>>44362183
>Its not as bad as people say
I'm Irish, too, anon, it absolutely is, anon, and we both know it.
>>44361649
I'm all about that Kettle Hat.
>>44367254
mah nigga
>>44367042
No, but this does.
>>44367397
Anyone got pictures of typical 13th century armour?
I'm guessing it's a lot less plate than the stuff in this thread.
>>44361649
Sallets are best, AND most festive helm. All other helms are for fags.
Merry christmas /tg/!
>>44367742
Merry Christmas, Gropey
>>44367742
it seems like on a fag can wear the helmet master race then which is the kettle hat
>>44367871
....Wut?
Can't into english, Hungarian?
Anybody have anymore kettle helms?
merry Christmas, heathens.
>>44361386
Is there a reason this type of helmet wasn't more popular? Seems like the a pretty great compromise of coverage and vision. Is the structural weakness caused by that amount of missing metal too significant?
>>44361444
#6, aka "The High-Five Hat"
>>44370840
The Corinthian's single downfall was the cost of production and skill required to cast and shape one solid piece of bronze.
They are incredibly solid helms, with little obstruction to hearing, breathing and sight, while still being the quite protective... But the cost was frankly too much to make equipping you average army viable.
Please note, the Spartans were NOT an average army, and fight in much smaller numbers, but had its entire culture, industry and lifestyle devoted to war, so they are an exception.
Mind you, the design never went away, it was just heavily simplified; Modular nasal skulls with hinged cheeks, seperate back plates etc, all are cheaper, similar options. The design of the Corinthian was so iconic and useful, that you will see it pop back into vogue over 2500 years later, as the Corinthian Barbute in the 15thC .
>>44367739
13th C armour is really only knees and helm of plate.
the rest is mail.
http://www.themcs.org/armour/14th%20century%20armour.htm
the first 30 or so effigies there are all 13th C - note that virtually none show plate for the knees, even - just the very last few from around the 1290's
>>44361487
>>44361563
Xee-fos/Ksee-fos
and lee-no-thor-axe is correct.
>>44367397
I love Warhammer Fantasy. Just the right mix of high and low fantasy. A `Mid Fantasy`, if you will.
>>44367742
Is that your helmet? What part or history and culture is it?
>>44377195
Yeah, its mine. Late 15thC Italian.
>>44362259
>összetettszóhosszúságvilágrekorddöntéskényszerneurózistünetegyüttes-megnyilvánulásfejleszthetőségvizsgálatszervezésellenőrzésiügyosztály-létszámleépítésellenesakciócsoporttagságiigazolványmegújításikérelem-elutasítóhatározatgyűjteményértékesítőnagyvállalatátalakításutó-finanszírozáspályázatelbírálóalapítványkuratóriumelnökhelyettesellenes-merényletkivizsgálóbizottságiüléselnapolásiindítványbenyújtásiforma-nyomtatványkitöltögetésellenőrizhetőség-próba
>>44372109
I-I was talking about the one I responded to but thanks anon.
>>44369961
>kettl
