>What would you do to make Criminals relevant again?

I'm going to throw the question back.

What do you think makes Criminal "irrelevant"?

In a tight spot maybe since they can't brute-force their way through problems via cash the way they used to?
Losing the early-constant aggression edge when compared to Anarchs (which is only natural in the end since it *was* supposed to be the Anarch's province...)?

There's always something hyperbolic in the claims around cards and factions. I don't see all the doom and gloom about Crims myself, apart from the fact they thankfully aren't the powerhouse they used to be.

>>44359501

The general lack of recursion and decent breakers are not relevant now?

>>44360584

I'll give you recursion.

Decent breakers is debatable.

Either way I wouldn't say that is enough to make them "irrelevant" though.

>>44360612

Heck, even *card draw* is problematic for them as well.

So yeah, another major crim issue that is trivial for the other 2 main factions.

>>44360642

Must be me playing too many Drug Dealers and/or Geist builds, but draw hasn't been a significant problem for me in Crim in recent memory.

With Fisk Investment Seminar added, I wouldn't say they're in a terrible spot.

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>>44358783
Honestly, I'd rather take slowing the other factions over boosting crims, but cards that fit into their existing archetypes while still providing more options would be good - things like pic related

The 1 inf isn't great, but it's no worse than other strong cards having it, but otherwise it's pure criminal - getting extra utility from hitting HQ, avoiding encountering things you don't want to hit

Only thing I don't like about it is that it kicks a lot of cards that are already pretty marginal due to their low trash costs - soon they'll be much, much worse against criminal

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>>44358783
Who would you say are in a worse spot - Criminals or Weyland?

>>44363157
Criminals. Weyland got Blue Sun and Titan FA.

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Jackson is here.

>>44364497
time to saddle up and hit up every local championship. I was just debating a second opening moves for jackson, so this is a much more fun alternative

>>44360728

Dealers are decent enough for Faust decks, but they can really drain your cash fast vs glacier.

FIS is also a double edge sword at best as well. Giving the corp more cards is horrible unless you are already somehow dominating in the first place.

>>44364497
The art makes me warm up to him a bit. But does anyone else have any idea what his mechanics are supposed to do in sense of fluff?

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>>44364780
He's a very smart, creative guy - he can get R&D to be more productive or see lots of potential options from what has been done before or discarded

He gets a good part in D&D's flavour insert for NBN

>>44364752

I'd say dealers work really well with low liquidities decks. Even doing OK against Glacier if that happens to be a stealth/money on the table deck.

Your comment about FIS makes me realize why I've warmed up to the faction recently: it's gained that same jigsaw quality Anarch have had for the longest time, where there's no perfect pieces, and you try to build things on shaky grounds anyway. Still, "win more" or not, FIS is good draw, and a powerful tempo-related in-faction effect.

Merry Christmas, by the way, you bunch of sick data dealers and corporate underdogs.

>>44359501
Recursion, breaker efficiency, AI breaker, draw. I'd say breaker efficiency is really holding them back, since they can't do a PPVP Lucky Find and/or Stimhack to break into a glacial remote when critical. Their breakers being shit efficiency means you have to import breakers, which limits your draw and econ options, though Sec Testing Desperado are still great. The problem is their economy is run-reliant, and against glacial decks it's difficult to have a reliable run-reliant economy.

What Crims do have in their favour is gimmicks, though. Siphons, Inside Jobs, Gang Signs, heck even Muertos Gang Member. They've got toys but it's difficult for them to leverage it because half of them rely on getting in to begin with.

>>44365860

I've been doing the rounds with central only + break-in cloud suite in crims, and inefficient?
Not as crazy good as the anarch core set, yeah, but inefficient?

>>44365631

Except Anarch draw events don't really screw over the player in the first place compared to what Crims have.

>>44365972
Yeah, the central breakers are selectively efficient and they are only usable for centrals. The fact that Shapers and Anarchs have better efficiency for all servers is ridiculous. And the cloud breakers in Crim require a ton of setup to be good. I do like them though.

>>44366376

I remember when I was arguing on this very board that Inject was a good thing, though constraining your build, to people telling me it was unplayable shit. And in the end, experience proved that it *is* fucking good in the right build.

Well, now I'm saying FIS is a good card, though it's constraining your build. We'll see I guess.

>>44366380

The thing for me about the break-in suite was their transient nature (which then doubles up on the recursion issue). Baited runs hurt *hard* against glacier. Which is why I did the crazy thing. I re-introduced some expose in the deck.

Haven't had time to test enough, but my 1 0 or so first games went well enough.

>>44366540
I'm with you on the FIS topic. It constrain when and where you can play it, but a good player will get a better results from it than a simple Diesel.

>>44366380
>The fact that Shapers and Anarchs have better efficiency for all servers is ridiculous.

Selectively so. I mean, Shapers have "good enough" killer programs, but nothing they have come close to Crim's efficiency.

The anomaly is Anarch really. And even so, only because of the Corp current hyper focus on low STR ICE I would say (well, OK, D4V1D - which I guess is SO good to compensate for Cuj.0 being so mediocre).

Given Shapers are getting another AI in Mumbad, I guess it wouldn't hurt for Crims to get one, or at least some new form of bypass to compensate I guess.

Since we're on that topic, anyone tried Femme + London Library in Crim?

How did it go?

>>44366650
But all killers have shit efficiency. The otly efficient one is Faerie and Garrote, and Faerie is one use and Garrote is expensive to install with 2 MU to boot. That's the thing about sentries, isn't it? Even Crims aren't THAT efficient. Which kinda sucks.

>>44367126
I want to say GS Shrike M2. And maybe Cloud Killers (both Switchblade and Dagger). But those might require a different grade of efficiency.

>>44366974
Not yet, but I'm tempted to try this deck
http://netrunnerdb.com/en/decklist/29252/london-operative

>>44366540

Well idk how long players actually argued inject sucked, but FIS is still way more restrictive then the worse case scenario for inject. Especially if the crim can't follow it up, which happens all too often.

>>44366650

Atman with suckers laughs at any killers.

>>44367188
Shrike is pretty cool. I quite like it. But I always feel like crap when I have to import killers into Crim.

Stealth breakers are different. Except for BlacKat which kinda sucks.

>>44366650
>at least some new form of bypass
I would like this - it's meant to be the criminal thing, and there's a (shitty) piece of ice and a region dedicated to preventing it, yet there's, what, three criminal cards that use it?

Add Security Nexus's huge cost and three influence and its clear that it's a very underused mechanism (though clearly one that has to be carefully used as to not be OP)

>>44367216

Cool looking list. Would love to test.

>>44367188

Took me a second, you mean the Stealth Killers ?

>>44367309

AI. Which I wasn't discussing until the last sentence of my post. And I do think they've been kinda too liberal with AI.

But if we have to go there: Switchblade has it beat. Less costly to install too. From a strict monetary standpoint.

And if we're talking Datasucker team up, Pipeline or even Dagger could go a long way - it's a Datasucker issue really. Card has been a involuntary curse on the game in a way.

>>44367546

At 4 Str, I find Blackat is a power house. At three it's kinda struggling. Though as support for Quetzal, it does work.

>>44367715

The point about killers being horribly inefficient in general still stands, so much so that Shapers sometimes don't even bother using actual ones when they got better alternatives AND recursion.

Then again there's always mimic, which even crims often use as the primary killer.

>>44367715
>Took me a second, you mean the Stealth Killers ?
Yeah, sorry, crazy christmas night.

>>44367865
>The point about killers being horribly inefficient in general still stands

It does. But then isn't that the whole point of Sentries though ? They won't fire 80% of the time, won't ETR except for a select few minority of them, but they *are* more taxing on average if the runner wants to get through without getting the hurt. Without that they have next to nothing, don't they?

>Shapers sometimes don't even bother using actual ones

That's why I say I think they've been a bit too liberal with AI. Given their ability to ignore ICE type, they should come with strings attached that are more binding than too many of the released ones if you ask me.

I mean, I love Eater and Darwin design-wise. Alpha and Omega are cool with me. Crypsis, ok, the cost is crippling enough. Knight is balanced. Wyrm isn't meant to break really. Overmind, Atman and Faust ? Too good for my taste. Hell Faust's "defect" is basically a feature; you can now make use of extraneous consistency copies or overly specialized cards that aren't against their match up.

>>44367915

No worries, I've made worse mistakes. Good you had a nice night .

>>44368239
Alpha and Omega should have been 1-3 creds to install. Wyrm should have been non-AI so I can stick it on Dinosaurus :^)

>>44368704
>Alpha and Omega should have been 1-3 creds to install.

Too low for breakers that can get rid of anything on any one ICE deep servers with decent efficiency and perfectly scalable granularity.

Wyrm could have probably used not being AI, yeah. But I guess for fluff/rule-establishment reasons they needed it to be in Core.

>>44363184
What hurts criminals so bad?

I haven't really played at a competitive level, but in my local meta, I've not been having any trouble importing whatever they need.

>>44368911
Thing is, Alpha and Omega have shit strength. They're ridiculously expensive for what they do.

>>44370021
Clarification: Alpha and Omega only handle 3 ice + as many remote servers with ice there are. Compare to Atman, which invalidates a whole swath, which gets even better with Datasuckers. Compare to Faust, who can get it all. A and O are weak.

>>44372035

That's my whole point though: A and O are well balanced for AI. Faust is just too strong.
If A and O were 1-3 to install, that would mean you could deal with any any single ICE server regardless of type with little to no econ hit. Early game would be a nightmare for corp.


>>44369593

I don't know. They're not comparatively as good as they used to be, but that's because the other factions got better.
But to hear the doom and gloom of some, it's like they're unplayable now, which they aren't as far as I can see.

>>44372989
I don't think Faust is too strong, considering it eats at least a card every time you use it. Faust limits are in the amount of cards. Which always lowers down to your maximum handsize at the end of the turn, and may leave you open to Scorched and Snares. It needs plenty support.
A and O would be as much a nightmare as Kit in the early game. 1-3 is definitely way too cheap but 4-5 would be just as fine. 7 seems like one of those cases of nerfing the card after testing out of fear.

>>44373603

I think 5 would have been fair for Alpha and Omega. 7 was probably over-cautious, yes.

>I don't think Faust is too strong, considering it eats at least a card every time you use it.

Yes, but as I was saying, it turned in the process something that was deemed a failure of Anarchs, the lack of tutoring and need for multiple copies to brute force draw, into a usable resource. That's a game changer right there, and I think one of the reasons why some of us, even thought we thought Faust would strong, didn't really expect it to be *that* strong.

>>44373655
I always assumed that anarchs's brute force draw and lack of tutors was what made them so good with the AI breakers in the first place. Being able to benefit from that is pretty awesome. But they are still limited and still discarding cards. The fact that the current meta moved even strongely to multisub makes it that the runner is discarding around 5 cards to get in a 2-deep server if he's only using AI-breakers.

Iain Stirling: Retired Spook

Event (9)
3x Account Siphon
3x Emergency Shutdown
3x Forged Activation Orders

Hardware (5)
2x Dyson Mem Chip
3x Logos

Resource (20)
2x Access to Globalsec
3x Compromised Employee
1x Data Dealer
3x Data Folding
2x Film Critic ••
3x Same Old Thing
3x The Supplier
3x Underworld Contact

Icebreaker (10)
1x Breach
1x Corroder ••
1x Crypsis
3x Faerie
2x Femme Fatale
1x Gordian Blade •••
1x Passport

Program (1)
1x Keyhole •••

10 influence spent (max 10)
45 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Old Hollywood

Deck built on http://netrunnerdb.com.

Trying to build a deck with a quick to build pasportu rig. Advice needed since I have no idea how to measure a Runner deck.

Rig I Build During Class

Hayley Kaplan: Universal Scholar (Breaker Bay)

Event (15)
3x Sure Gamble (Core Set)
2x Diesel (Core Set)
2x Modded (Core Set)
3x The Maker's Eye (Core Set)
3x Test Run (Cyber Exodus)
2x Special Order (Core Set) •• ••

Hardware (2)
2x Comet (Breaker Bay)

Icebreaker (7)
3x Gordian Blade (Core Set)
2x Corroder (Core Set) •• ••
2x GS Shrike M2 (Data and Destiny) •• ••

Program (11)
2x Magnum Opus (Core Set)
3x Leprechaun (Upstalk)
3x Hyperdriver (The Underway)
3x Multithreader (Data and Destiny) • • •

Resource (10)
2x New Angeles City Hall (Future Proof)
3x Technical Writer (Data and Destiny)
3x Personal Workshop (Cyber Exodus)
2x Film Critic (Old Hollywood)
Total Cards: 45
Total Influence: 15

>>44375730
>if he's only using AI-breakers.

Shouldn't be though. At least not in the vast majority of cases. The AI just gives the early aggression needed by making the corp sweat over any one ICE only server. Basically what Bypass - more specifically Inside Job - was to crim in the early days of the game.

Incidentally, Inside Job is one of those cards I feel isn't getting the respect it deserves these days.

>>44375914

Hmmm... Hom much value are you actually getting out of that Supplier? Check this out during your first games.

>>44376418

What's the plan with those Hyperdriver? Or is this a case "want to play the card, will see how it goes"? (And nothing wrong with that.)

>>44376623
I have been trying to do stuff with them for awhile and the boost they give to me for my set up is nice. But your question just made realize that there has to be way better way to make my rig WAY easier to use.

>>44376418
Newer version with pile of events:

>Comet Storm
Hayley Kaplan: Universal Scholar (Breaker Bay)

Event (20)
3x Sure Gamble (Core Set)
3x Diesel (Core Set)
2x Modded (Core Set)
3x The Maker's Eye (Core Set)
2x Test Run (Cyber Exodus)
2x Game Day (Breaker Bay)
2x Stimhack (Core Set) • •
1x Easy Mark (Core Set) •
2x Retrieval Run (Future Proof) •• ••

Hardware (3)
3x Comet (Breaker Bay)

Icebreaker (7)
3x Gordian Blade (Core Set)
2x Corroder (Core Set) •• ••
2x GS Shrike M2 (Data and Destiny) •• ••

Program (3)
3x Magnum Opus (Core Set)

Resource (12)
3x New Angeles City Hall (Future Proof)
3x Technical Writer (Data and Destiny)
3x Personal Workshop (Cyber Exodus)
3x Film Critic (Old Hollywood)
Total Cards: 45
Total Influence: 15

>>44376623
The Supplier does excellent job, even if only to drop the stuff on it while I keep drawing.
That said, I'm considering some drug dealers, but not sure what to take away.

>>44377393
Retrieval Run seems wasted in this deck. I'd include a single D4v1d for the same influence. And since you're playing Tech Writer, I'd go with Test Run, Scavenges, Lady, and clone chips.
At this point I'd also play Lucky Find, which I love to play along with Comet. And since you got MO, I'd go with Quality Time too, which is amazing as "Draw and Play" shenanigans that Comet does. I only recommend Game Day out of Beach Party decks, where you are certain to draw a whole bunch for a double event.

Alright, guys. I was given the Netrunner core set as a gift a while back. If I wanted to pick up a couple of expansion packs for it, what would be the first ones I should pick up?

I should let yall know that I have barely played the game, I know the basic mechanics, but I don't really know what factions I like or anything.

>>44380387
Creation and Control for Shaper overhaul and precious recursion. I cannot stress enough how important is this box.

Honor and Profit to make Jinteki good again. I just love Jinteki, so this is a must for me.

And then there's just a bunch of datapacks, depending on how you feel about it you choose one or the other. Mostly What lies ahead, Opening Moves, Future Proof, and The Spaces Between.

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I really enjoy playing with my Silhouette deck which relies more about bypassing ice than breaking it, then playing Emergency Shutdown to come out ahead in the eco game. Since I'm mostly focusing on centrals so I can play Notoriety, would Apocalypse be a decent possibility to stop glaciers from getting too big to bypass into?

>>44380863
Did you take into account that anything you installed will be turned facedown? Without recursion in criminal you might lose some important breaker, even if you're bypassing.

>>44381109
It's mostly be used as a mid or late game board reset, then plopping down some Same Old Things to bring back the events I need to finish it out. I normally don't have an expensive rig on the table at any point, so it won't hurt too badly I hope.

>>44380863
What do you use to keep the bypasses going? London Library? DDoS? Femme and Scavenges?

>>44381382
I generally rely on DDoS, Femme, and keeping the corp poor through Account Siphons to reduce resistance during my runs. I only have to focus on the centrals thanks to Quest Completed which is one of my possible options for Same Old Thing.And if they decide not to ice up their scoring server, I can Inside Job my way into there after exposing their agendas using Silh's ability.

>>44381485
Hard install Femme? What's your economy based on?

>>44383170
It's honestly pretty lean. Coming up with the nine requires a fresh Account Siphon, some Security Testing runs, and a Sure Gamble so I don't completely go broke. Desperado does a lot of work over the course of the game too.

>>44383281
I'm wondering what's the consistency of triple London Library triple Femme in Andy now hmm...

>>44358783
>Deckbuilding Resources:

Rename this to deck constructing resources. This is not a deckbuilding game.

>>44385786
What's the difference?

>>44387812
A deckbuilding game is a game where the core mechanic is the deckbuilding process. Examples of this are Dominion, Thunderstone, and Ascension.

Netrunner and the like are just CCG/LCG/TCG games. On the spectrum of deckbuilding you could say Netrunner is more Constructed than Deckbuilder, since you bring your constructed decks to play, you do not build your deck during the game.

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Would you live in a Jinteki Arcology?

>>44388304
In an ecologically friendly urban environment with beautiful greenery that's pretty selfsustaining? Hell yeah. Jinteki a best.

>>44388304

Not if it looks like that.

>>44388304
Honestly, japanese indoctrination seems like the worst kind of fascist environment. Not the german obsessed with efficiency arcology, or the perpetually surveillance horror of a NBN arcology through subliminal messages (if it exists), but the japanese ideology that demands unquestionable fidelity to the Jinteki ideology. The Zaibatsu scares me the most.

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>>44388304
Pretty sure that's clone conditioning/training.

But Jinteki facilities always at least look cool

>>44389495
It amuses me that Zaibatsu Loyalty is a card. And Restoring Face

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>>44390243
Really wish we could get the full arts for all the Jinteki Biotech IDs

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>>44390327
Fanmade, for a tourney in the Netherlands, but it fits pretty well

>>44377393
Why 3 Gordians?

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Does Jinteki need a push?

>>44393883

You think so? I find them balanced to be honest.

>>44394867
Yeah, Jinteki is in a good spot. HB on the other hand is strong as ever playing the same cards it played since the beginning.

>>44395637
if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

>be a prospective new player
>look for rules text
>don't find it in the OP
>want to close thread

Why is putting vital information on video the new cool thing to do?

>>44395954
Here ya go, m8y.
Rules
https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/2e/66/2e66279a-0b5c-4d12-80b1-754289b5ff0c/adn01_rules_eng_lo-res.pdf

FAQ
https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/c6/40/c6409b40-6a4e-496a-ba90-9ce1bd645a13/netrunner_lcg_faq_22.pdf

>>44396049

Dog bless you

>>44396049
Wow, I just realize the FAQ in the OP is for version 1.6. That's Legacy at this point.

>>44396431
Hopefully whoever decides to post a new thread remembers and updates the pasta

>>44396431
Up until whatever number was after 1.6 (2.0?) they just updated that url. since then they've been uploading new files with new urls, so there is no single good URL for it

>>44398959

Shame almost no one actually uses that any more, compared to the other AA card in the kit.

>>44401003
What card?

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>>44403440

>Wondered why Ice wall had strangely placed art.
>Always assumed it was a thin tower of ice growing into space and it got huge enough to knock space debris.
>Ice wall's art is an actual ice wall blocking bullets.
>God damn i'm stupid.

>>44403440
I meant, what's the 'other AA card in the kit'?

>>44403830

You're just not a literalist.

>>44401003

They don't ?
Damn, I missed the memo.

What does AA even stand for?

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>>44404400
In this case, Alt Art

>>44404300
Corroder, though I prefer the original

could someone rate my decklist? ive got every box except Creation & Control so far. in my local casual group I was able to eat a doublescorch and then like 2-3 turns later blow my load past 9 meat damage for the winning agenda.

Identity
Apex: Invasive Predator (Data and Destiny)

Event (25)
3x Easy Mark (Core Set) • • •
2x Special Order (Core Set) •• ••
3x Apocalypse (Data and Destiny)
3x Prey (Data and Destiny)
3x Sure Gamble (Core Set)
3x Employee Strike (Data and Destiny) • • •
3x Diesel (Core Set) •• •• ••
2x Déjà Vu (Core Set) •• ••
3x Infiltration (Core Set)

Hardware (8)
3x Heartbeat (Data and Destiny)
3x Rabbit Hole (Core Set) • • •
2x Chop Bot 3000 (Order and Chaos) • •

Icebreaker (3)
3x Endless Hunger (Data and Destiny)

Program (3)
3x Harbinger (Data and Destiny)

Resource (6)
3x Hunting Grounds (Data and Destiny)
3x Wasteland (Data and Destiny)

>>44404539
>blow my load past 9 meat damage
triple Checkpoint?

How do you handle program trashing?
I know you don't have Clone Chip, but is 2x Deja Vu enough?

As one of Apex's biggest weaknesses you'll probably want to put something in for it - a killer (or sharpshooter) would be good, but recursion is more universally useful - Trope from Old Hollywood would be a fair fit, though C&C with Clone Chip and Levy is probably a better bet

>>44404774
yeah C&C for clone chip is the next ANR purchase im getting because hot damn I could really use it. but yeah, the checkpoint+2 wormholes was hilarious to eat. the deck was a janky argus meat damage deck that my employee strike's did loads for, but I couldnt do shit to his tags, hence the chop bots. hadn't thought of levy but holy shit that will help too. as a side note, Chop Bot has been hilariously useful in this deck and I love the fuck out of dropping a deadcard in my hand with apex then feeding it to chop bot for a new one.

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>>44404516
Is that a picture for ants? Here, I found the source

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>>44405009
It's a picture for bugs, not ants, and I haven't seen an actual proper picture of the alt yet

>>44404811
Sounds good - C&C is certainly one of the most useful big boxes, thanks to all that shaper-y goodness

Chop bot with apex I think I've heard before - it's a good combo, and the imagery of the already-creepy Chop Bot being controlled by the malevolent and alien AI that is Apex is just the icing on the cake

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>>44404811
>dropping a deadcard in my hand with Apex then feeding it to chop bot for a new one
I don't like how that sounds, in a normal deck it would be great, but in Apex it seems wasteful when you're also using Endless Hunger, Heartbeat, and Prey competing for resources.
I'd definitely go with some AI breaker, even something like Crypsis might help.
And definitely E3 Feedback Implants.

>>44405116
I mostly used it while I was digging for extra shit, and already had a fuckload of facedown cards. wouldnt ever use it in a way that would cut down on my ability to fatdick into a server at the drop of a hat. right now my AI breaker cardpool consists of crypsis, Wyrm, and Overmind off the top of my head, so i think it'll probably end up being a crypsis.

>>44405148
>>44405116

also e3 feedback implants looks fucking beautiful and Im going to grab them after I get C&C.

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>>44407180
Nice - that's the second version of that, right?
I recall the first version being a bit cluttered

Given that they share a big box, it shouldn't be that surprising that Weyland execs and Anarchs paying their bills the have the same attitude to actually doing their jobs

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Can I have broken cards for 100 bob?

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>>44407957
>broken
Hardly.
It's good (and as of Run Amok, more and more useful), but it's not broken - and it's become fairly clear that Mumbad is a bit of a step up in power everywhere, so any scary impact this would have is kind of lost

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This seems like a really strong counter to FA decks. Most the time they don't have the space to score an extra Agenda or two.

Seems like a nice way to just slow down the Corp out of the gate.

>>44409443
But FA decks already run CVS to counter Clot. Slotting the Graffiti instead of Clot doesn't quite change much.

>>44410894
I guess.

>>44411057
IMO Pol Graf is good against glacier. Foodcoats for example. They like to go 2-2-3 with their scoring, rounding off with a GFI. When they go IAA, you can put a Pol Graf down to try and get that one extra turn to do things. Admittedly, Foodcoats runs CVS too, which is awkward. But they're not as intensely reliant upon finding it like FA decks, so maybe that's in Pol Graf's favour.

You know, now that I think about it, Mumbad has quite.a few of these 'Just one more turn' cards.

>>44409443
I like how Pol Graf is the equivalent of a modern hacker hacking into a controversial website to display something else.

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>>44412555
cyber-graffiti has been established (the fluff into in the rules, Shadow's flavour text, at least) as a thing in the android-verse, but I guess defacing cyberspace - and making it hard to undo - would be a serious crime when cybespace is so important in daily lives

>>44404539

Despite loving the fluff implications, Chop Bot never really gave me a good vibe for Apex. As anon mentioned, you're going to cannibalize for the bots that you'd want to use for other Apex resources.

Meta call, traces are a big Apex problem, and Rabbit Hole is a cool card with an affordable influence cost. I'd say Gingerbread and/or Dorm Computer could better as support for that particular issue depending on local specificities.

Since we're talking Rabbit Hole, some anon had made a pretty cool Apex Replicator deck. Might want to look into it. Cool inspiration I thought, even if you don't have the cards.

Three currents i overkill in my opinion, but that may just be me.

>>44407180

Yes!

>>44408796
>it's become fairly clear that Mumbad is a bit of a step up in power everywhere

Something I find disquieting as far as the future of the game is concerned. We'll see.

>>44410894

But then what about a runner that uses both?

>>44416290

Going back on Political Graffiti here, do you think forcing the hand of the corp into protecting Archives because of it makes it better than clot against some FA situations ie it may have to extend a cost *before* the card is even played. (I don't think Glacier really cares)?

>>44407957

I'm surprised it's only two influence really.

>>44416290
A runner who uses both Pol Graf and Clot sounds alright, use one to bait CVS and pop the other. Still, deckslots are tight.

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>>44416290
I think he picked Rabbit Hole for all the non-ice traces as well - Apex tends not to be particularly rich, so link is beneficial there.

As for power, I think it's more that they're willing to move from the conservativeness of the early packs, which was a sensible move at the time but is clearly showing in some cards - as we'll have another two cycles after Mumbad they'll still have to be there, so I could see old ideas getting updated with support... which would allow revisiting them in future.

Even if that's not the case, the step up will at least hopefully lead to a shake up of sorts, particularly for the corps I think - there's not a lot new they do right, particularly with ice. Hopefully things like pic related (though it's probably a bit too cumbersome and parasite bait-y to be truly effective, but still) will help to change that

>>44416578
Really? Weyland is never allowed to keep nice things to itself

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>>44422663
>be Cybernetics Division
>T1: ICE, ICE, Hedge Fund
>Runner facechecks Brainstorm

>>44391907
Because why not? It's in-faction.

>>44407323
Not entirely. Weyland knows that they simply can't be fired. Anarch just doesn't give damn.

>>44409443
I also like it as a way to get datasucker tokens off of cyberdex suite archives without having to run archives interface or splashing for sec testing.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/12/28/new-year-of-darkness

>Partnering with Paradox Interactive allowing them access to World of Darkness and other IP they own.

>Flagship product line of RPGs set to release at Gencon 2016, they will be set in the classic World of Darkness setting (The Masquerade, The Ascension, etc).

>A new LCG is in the works based off Age of Sorrows (Exalted).

>>44425286

The sweet smell of napalm in the morning...

>>44422910

Hey, Woodcutter *is* three influence.

>>44426062
Woodcutter is honestly kind of amazing right now. Since ICE Destro has more or less been pushed out of the meta by Architect I have been running 3 Woodcutter and 3 Tyrant in almost all my decks. Satellite Grid makes them even stronger.

Weyland is just so overpowered right now I really hope that they find a way to bring anti-ICE play back.

>>44426162
>Since ICE Destro has more or less been pushed out of the meta by Architect

Lucky you. Never happened here.

>>44426162
Sounds like False Lead m8.

>>44426162

Oh, also, I 'm fond of Woodcutter, I got several kills out of that card. But then when I compare it to other existing cards, I don't see why the three influence really.

>>44426602

Benefit of the doubt. Local meta might mean 4 people at most.

>>44426632
More like 8 people but ya it is a small meta.

>>44426659

In some respects, a small meta but decently sized meta can be a good thing - sometimes you end up with niche quirks that actually make the experience better.

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How many of you got your hands on this AA?

>>44428452

I never participate in tournaments.

And this one doesn't look cool enough for me to track it down by other means.

>>44428751
99.213112~% of the fun of Netrunner is tournaments. WTF is wrong with you child!?

>>44428797

If you say so. Me I hate them.

I do organize them occasionally though.

By the way, how is World of Android coming along? Haven't heard from it for few weeks

>>44431128
It is out to people. It is neat coffee table book. Nothing really amazing but fun if you really like the Android setting.

Did I get these flavor focuses correctly?
Genesis — Introduction to Android Universe
Spin — Reina Roja VS GRNDL
Lunar — Nasir's Misadventure to the Moon and Back
SanSan — Enjoy your business visit to California!
Mumbad — Politics in India are Serious Business

Creation and Control: Shapers want to play with Bioroids.
Honor and Profit: Criminals heard that Jinteki got money
Order and Chaos: These punks and this MegaCorp want to see each other and the whole world burn.
Data and Destiny: LIVE; A cop, a robot, and a something realized that they were being watched.

>>44431278
Man I really wish that a sigh andsigheihfsnsdfoiwhernoiasndklken tank ID's C&C insofisnrgorihgoeiroih somethingiopinoiwnreoing pla. no5

>>44431608
They need to run a event where we can vote on the law passing or not.

Maybe some kind of ID tied to it. If Clones are not people then we get a Jinteki ID and if they are we get an HB one.

>>44431668
Probably not gonna happen. My guess about the last pack is that there's a Government Shutdown card.

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>>44431278
Politics in India are serious business, but this time it's even more serious than usual - it's The Vote, where the biggest democracy in the world decides if clones are people - Jinteki says no, HB wants to screw them over in the Android market so says yes, NBN wants the coverage and Weyland... eh, we don't really know, but they probably want to continue manipulating government behind the scenes.

Everything else is pretty much spot on, though Sunny's not a cop as such and the box names are made so that both words can apply to some degree to both sides

>>44431668
Does kind of seem like it'd lead up to that, but I don't think we'll get the result - it's too big an issue, and it would affect Jinteki a huge amount.
Add that to the fact that that sort of thing was exactly what the Chronos Protocol did, makes me think it's unlikely

How they'll get around it I don't know - runners messing with it, having the election be Soon™, effectively freezing the Android world in time, or maybe a Government Shutdown (courtesy of Weyland? Runners? the side that was about to lose?) are all options I've thought of, but we'll have to wait and see.

And I'd hope the next ID competition would be Weyland/NBN, but that's just a preference

>>44431370
What in the world?

>>44431854
I think he is having a stroke.

>>44432014
Could he do captcha with a stroke though?

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>>44432014
pic related maybe?

>>44432089
If he could click post - mine sometimes just work without a capcha

>>44432089
4chan gold?

>>44431854
The next vote thing will be picking from 2 Corp Micro-Factions.

>>44432121
MicroCorp Factions would need a ton of influence, if they ever do it. I can only assume one at least will come with a couple of agendas, which limits the amount of ice, assets and operations it'll receive in-faction. Lots to import then.

>>44432410
It comes in Agenda pods like Star Wars LCG.
You pick 10 Agenda pods and that is your deck.

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>>44432121
>Corp Micro-Factions.
I don't think they'd do those.
Might be wrong, but with Alliance, Neutral and Weyland's ID's being Corps I don't really see the need

>>44431257

To those who pre-ordered the fancy edition ?

Don't think I've seen it on sale anywhere yet.

>>44434404
Yeah, they've got it, but I don't think it's on general release

>>44434404
I ordered the fancy one, but since I'm no Murican, it's not here yet.

>>44434404
Fancy edition playmat is super sweet, and the book has some neat details, like Jinteki teaming up with a chain restaurant to make the most consistent dining experience possible in different countries by cloning the entire staff.

>>44436133
Shit, that's genius. Entirely unethical, but genius. I'm imagining Hell's Kitchen writ large.