Was there any instance when Orks were actually kicking ass instead of serving as generic mooks to kill before the actual bad guys show up, living target practice or a comic relief?
What a shit race.
Dere's dat one time wot da boyz kicked yur moms ass.
>>44332016
Battle of armageddon 2 and 3
The octarious war
There was that time when orks outgunned tau so hard that farsight seceded from the empire IIRC
The second and third wars for Armageddon.
The Beast's Waaagh!
The one Ork Warboss who chocked the Emperor (it was a ploy to bond with Horus, but still, how many individuals can boast choking the motherfucker Emperor?).
The constant ass kickings they deliver to the Tau.
Fighting Hive Fleet Whatchacallit.
Orks kick ass dude.
Latest book "I am slaughter" the orks kill off nearly the entire imperial fists chapter....
>>44332052
does this battle have a name?
WUT EW BE SAYIN YA GIT? ORKS R DA MEANEST AND DA GREENEST AROUND! NOBODY DIES BETTER N NOBUDDY FITES LIKE UN ORK DOES! DA UMIES JUS DIE OUTRITE, DA BLUE BOYZ FITE IKE COWARDS, POINTY EADS ARE THE SAME AS BLUE BOYZ, DA KAOS BOYZ CHEAT TOO MUCH WIFG DER MAGIC, AND DA NIDS R JUS NO FUN
>>44332175
Most probably, but I don't remember it, much time has passed
>>44332175
The arkanusha war
>>44332016
Ullanor; Armageddon; The Beast coming into Segmentum Solar; Waaagh! Garaghak taking most of Forsarr Sector, only coming to a halt at the homeworld of the Ravenguard, having to deal with Titans, multiple SM-Companies and the entire Ravenguard; the War of Dakka (smacking Tau); Waaagh! Tuska (Warboss Tuska Daemonkilla ending up in the Warp, forever fighting against the armies of Khorne, much to everyones amusement).
There are quite a lot to look up: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Ork_Waaaghs!#Waaagh.21_The_Beast
Though most are eventually stopped, most WAAAGH! still cause tremendous damage. And if Ghazghkull can kick off the Great Waaagh!, the Green Tide will be a terrible sight to behold.
>>44332175
It's in the Ork Codex, either this one or the one before this one. I'm not playing just now so I don't know if they printed a new one, but the one that was out in 2010?
A Freebooter also once traveled back in time and killed himself because he wanted two of his favorite gun, according to the list of amusing exploits.
t. ghazghkull thraka
>>44332134
>castrating a Blood Daemon
Ah, classic.
Don't orks possess more galactic territory than any other race? Or has that been changed since I last looked at the lore?
Orks already won the whole 40K universe.
Orks nearly destroyed the Crimson Fists chapter
>>44332499
>implying it wasn't an inside job
>>44332499
bad luck nearly destroyed the crimson fists chapter
>>44332554
The inquisition nearly destroyed the crimson fists chapter
>>44332580
Prometheium can't melt armorcrete beams
>>44332580
proofs?
>>44332298
My favorite thing on the ork timeline is the Lost Waagh. Orks invent a tome machine, go back in time, and kill themselves before they invented the time machine.
>>44332016
Armageddon is about the only one I can think of. Every other time it's "Orks are kicking ass, look how fucking crazy these space marines are to be able to beat those orks! Oh man, good thing these space marines came or else the orks would have killed everyone!".
>>44332420
I think the Imperium still holds the most turf, but orks have a higher population of active fighters (i.e, all of them), while civilians are still a human thing.
>>44332580
It was Ork-snipers, you filthy heretic.
>>44332871
You're thinking of the Celestial Lions, not the Crimson Fists.
>>44332016
Pre-Great Crusade
The Ork Warboss nearly killed the Emperor.
>>44332816
Actually, they got time warped. The Warboss killed his own past timeclone to get a spare of his favorite gun and I think either him or the entire WAAAGH! get paradoxed.
>>44332863
Orks are more densely clustered since they are attracted to other orks and violence. Sort of like magnetic iron dust, or swarms of insects, compared to the general global blanket of humans sprinkled about the galaxy, like pond scum, or snow.
>>44332984
>implying this battle didn't have Ork-snipers too
What are you, a heretic?
ORKS DINDU NUFFIN
>>44332620
The recent Assassins supplement/codex thing mentions the possibility of a Vanus assassin having been the one to reprogram the Crimson Fist's Surface to Air missiles.
>>44333970
>hive city burning in the background
>distant cries of "WAAAGH" and "dakka dakka dakka" are heard amidst gunshots
>a screaming, bloodied human is dragged away offscreen
>ork standing in front of interviewer
"WE'Z DIDN' EVEN DO NUFFIN'"
>>44334406
>>44334645
It's been suspected since third edition at least, index astartes article mentioned it IIRC
>>44339728
>>44334645
for what purpose though, what did the crimson fists do.
>>44332443
No, that's a lie.
According to the Beast lore, the Orks have a primal drive in them to conquer the galaxy.
Gork and Mork, and their prophet Ghaz, all agree that the Orks have been mucking out with fighting just for the sake of fighting. The Orks have a great destiny and it's to conquer the galaxy and fight anything that fights back.
>>44340142
carnac pls go
>>44340199
No, sorry to break your headcanon with actual fluff.
>>44340142
Beast lore? You thinking of the right universe?
>>44332175
DA GREAT WAR OF DAKKAno really
>>44332016
When they albut exterminated those faggots, the Crimson Fists
>Fluff, three Space Marines kill 73,000 Orks
>Tabletop, Random Ork warband kills 5% of a Chapter
>>44340217
The Beast Waaagh!, you git.
7th ED 40K mainrulebook. Timeline section. Crtl-F Primal.
>>44332247
Wrong war.
>>44332052
He seceded after that battle when he tracked down the Waaagh! warboss to Arthas Molech and killed him ending the war in a Tau victory.
>GUTRAK DETHHEAD
>Warboss Gutrak is an imposing figure, a brutish Goff with a huge bionik klaw and a serrated steel-like skull mask spattered in the dried blood of his most recently defeated foes. When he fought for the Great Tyrant of Jagga, Gutrak gained a brutal reputation as one of the Tyrant’s best fighters. However, Gutrak’s destiny was to change when his tribe landed on the carrion world of Eclipos. The planet’s only settlement was an Adeptus Mechanicus research outpost at its northern polar ice cap. Gutrak and his Boyz struck the outpost like a hammer blow from the sky, their rust ships and roks raining down as the occupants frantically assumed defensive positions. The handful of Tech-Priests and Gun Servitors were no match for the Goffs, the Orks hacking and blasting them apart before searching the underground Adeptus Mechanicus complex for more heads to cave in. It was Gutrak that found the massive door, as high as a Gargant and twice as wide. It looked like the servitors had been trying to seal it up, which only made Gutrak more interested in what might be on the other side. When he heaved it open, the cave beyond gave a great mechanical groan, and thousands upon thousands of pairs of eyes blinked into flickering eerie life. The Goffs could not believe their luck as row upon row of metal men began to march forwards to destroy them. Needing no order to attack, the Boyz charged into the cavern, hacking and smashing them apart, until Gutrak personally broke their leader in half and ripped off his metal face to wear as a mask, taking the name Dethhead in honour of his new trophy. No one knows if it was through some influence of his new alien trophy which lit the fires of ambition within Gutrak, but he left the Jagga Waaagh! after that battle, taking his Boyz with him.
>>44340307
>hey remember that one time we charged 5 of our greatest veteran warriors, all geared with tactical dreadnought armour and wielding thunder hammers and stormshields alongside a sanguinary priest while separately 10 of our lost souls clad in black assaulted in from the other side to pincer a horde of 100 greenskins with their warboss in the middle?
>have the blood angels ever faced such a devastating blow against such a small force before?
>oh right yeah, the space hulk, shit.
>>44333098
The Waaaaagh! wasn't paradoxed, nor was he, it was called off because this managed to confuse them to that point.
>>44340404
Yeah, because of the time paradox. There was suddenly two of everyone. IIRC the image that came along with that story was two of the same grot staring at each other looking puzzled.
>>44340307
thats because GW like to fap to muhrines and make them uber OP while orks get all the hate. DoW did it best, you need a lot of orks to kill a few marines but if they are outnembered or hit from behind there is not much they can do
>>44332598
>my sides.
>>44332816
>>44333098
>>44340404
>>44340421
I'll just post the thing straight from the codex:
>978.M41 THE LOST WAAAGH!
>The Ork Warlord Grizgutz, a noted kleptomaniac, launches his Waaagh! into the Morloq system. Whilst using Warp travel to reach their quarry, Grizgutz and his warband unwittingly travel through time and emerge from the shifting chaos of the Empyrean shortly before they set off. Grizgutz hunts down and kills his doppelganger, reasoning that this way he can have a spare of his favourite gun. The resultant confusion stops the Waaagh! in its tracks.
>>44340097
They probably pissed off an inquisitor so much that he started greentexting on vanuschan to the point where an assassin decided to humor him. Pretty much like the relictors did with the inquisitor and the grey knights.
The day Orks outsmarted Tau
What do Orks do with conquered territory anyway, just exterminate everything or do they take slaves?
>>44340453
>>44334818
WE DA GOOD BOYS
>>44340307
Isn't WH40K lore told from Imperial propaganda perspective? I mean that book issued to all guardsmen says orks are small and Genestealers have dull claws so it's not like Imperium is above bullshitting it's citizens
>>44340619
Depends on the Orks. Some bands just pile all the gubbins they can grab into their trukks or ships and torch the place (even if it's a whole planet) for fun, some lock the territory down and use it to fuel further war efforts, like a Forge World being an Ork warbands wet dream to capture. Some bands settle down and turn the territory, and eventually the planet, into a semblance of civilization, either wiping out or enslaving the natives, so yeah, Orks could do anything really, just depends on the one in charge
>>44340619
They take slaves. They work them to death, though.
>>44340668
>Isn't WH40K lore told from Imperial propaganda perspective?
Nope.
>>44340619
Yarrick was captured so they do use slaves
>>44340611
Hahaha Taufags are going to have to deal with so much shit. Prepare for plot armour.
>>44332134
This is actually pretty fucking cool.
>Slick red orcs
>Red, shade, then 'ardcoat
I've actually been looking for a cool scheme, and these guys would fit it. Maybe they fought their way off-planet and are now on a trek to throw the Daemons of the real world back into the Warp for a massive hoedown.
>>44340825
That was one battle in the War of Dakka. Farsight already won the war and killed the warboss.
The Warboss's ashes are inside a glass ball in Farsight's office.
>>44340685
The answer is yes and no.
That you are throwing a hard answer at the question makes me wonder how much you understand the setting.
>>44340832
Actually there was an update to Tuska's story. Khorne loved the little fucker so much he brought him into his realm and Tuska and his boyz now fight at the base of the Brass Citadel, warring endlessly against armies of Daemons of all sorts, dying and being brought back to life every new day, and with every death of him and his boys, more Orks rise up out of the blood soaked ground, adding to an ever growing army of Orks to wage war day after day at Khorne's feet.
>>44340859
The answer is just nope. There is text by the omniscient narrator and then there is flavor text by in-verse characters.
Most of the lore is being told by the omniscient narrator.
>>44340863
I like mine better because it's not gay.
>Muh immortal Khorne
Homosexuality confirmed.
>>44340363
>>44340845
>That was one battle in the War of Dakka
That lead to the entire sector getting steamrolled by orks. Tau got BLOWN THE FUCK OUT WITH THEIR OWN TACTICS. Sure they ultimately got it back but hey, they needed farsight to do something of note and grog hardly went down without a fight.
>>44332499
But they just couldn't finish the job. Despite the Crimson Fists losing both their fortress monastery and most of their battle brothers in the opening hours of the invasion the surviving marines managed to hold off the countless Ork invaders for more than a year, while protecting civilians the whole time! Orks suck, they can't even win if the victory is handed to them on a platter.
>>44332863
There are also Orks outside of the galaxy.
>>44333098
This also happened in WHFB, but it was regarding a favourite axe instead.
>>44341446
>There are also Orks outside of the galaxy.
There aren't. There is absolutely no proof that there are Orks outside the galaxy.
I want you to calculate how long will it take for a STL probe to cross the galaxy. I assure you it's more than 20K years.
>>44341464
I'm pretty sure there was old fluff that suggested that Orks populated areas outside the galaxy based on an Imperial probe scanning for transmissions outside the galaxy and all they could pick up on was Ork transmissions.
I also see no reason why Orks wouldn't be outside the galaxy. There's stuff to fight there like Tyranids.
>>44341496
You see
"I want you to calculate how long will it take for a STL probe to cross the galaxy. I assure you it's more than 20K years"
The probe never left the galaxy and there is zero proof that there are any Orks outside the galaxy.
>>44341464
>>44341529
Are you suggesting GW can into scale?
>>44340619
Ork society runs on slavery; Gretchin are a built-in slave race, but they take plenty of aliens too. Nazdreg was even noted for rewarding human slaves when they performed well instead of (only) punishing them when they didn't.
>>44340668
If you want any meaningful quantity of in-character fluff you'll have to go back to older editions, particularly 3rd (pic related). But for the most part, the bulk of the background has always just been told straight - in fact, I think 3rd edition was the only point where the amount of in-universe perspectives could truly be said to have matched - or even exceeded - the non-POV stuff.
>>44341544
Scale or not, the probe was launched fro Terra and it was never said it exited the galaxy. It's impossible for it to do so.
So if you want to proof that Orks are in fact outside the galaxy, then you better have good evidence for it.
>>44341529
GW can't into real life scale or science. Whatever the author intended matters more than technobabble.
Orks finds a way. They are also far more ancient than humans going by their ancestors that fought in the War in Heaven. Why the fuck would they be confined to the Milky Way? There were no Tyranids stopping them until fairly recent.
>>44341592
All fine and good but you have as much proof of Eldar being outside galaxy as there is proof for Orks being out there.
Which is ZERO
>>44341608
There are Eldar outside the galaxy. They live in the webway.
>>44341634
And there are Orks inside the Warp.It doesn't count if they are not inside the material realm and outside the bounds of the galaxy.
>>44340863
Khorne tests his generals against this WAAAGH!
>Orks outside of the galaxy
Didn't a Necron travel beyond the galaxy, and reported that of all the crazy shit out there the Tyranids are the worst? Surely he would've mentioned Orks if they were around.
>>44340556
>Morloq system
Nice homage to H. G. Wells
>>44341686
Yes, A Triarch Praetorian told Anrakyr that the Silent King saw such horrors in the void between galaxies that the Necrontyr noble language cannot even name them.
The most threatening of these horrors are the Tyranids. The Silent King spent his time doing a fighting retreat, ravaging the Tyranid fleets before they reach the galaxy.
>>44341820
Well, according to the Daemons codex Chaos is the most destructive force in the universe and has destroyed a large portion of it. So he couldn't have gone far.
>>44341909
You know if you hopped off khorne's dick for a moment you'd stop and realise that necrons have so much anti-daemon gear that they won't see chaos as anywhere near as dangerous as the guys that go about destroying THEIR planets.
>>44342002
Necrons is a sideshow in the setting compared to Chaos that is GW's pet BBEG. Naturally they are not on top of things.
>>44342030
No shit, because chaos is the biggest threat to the imperium. Necrons don't give a fuck though, they just null right through it.
>>44341909
Given Cron tech and the fact that he left after the War in Heaven before the Chaos Gods became self aware I think he could have gotten pretty far. I say at least fifty galaxies away is how far he got out.
>>44342090
50 galaxies is not a whole lot on a universal scale. So I guess it would make sense he wouldn't notice a whole lot of Chaos.
>>44332580
>>44334645
>>44339728
>>44340609
But the Inquisition doesn't have a reason to do any of this. The Crimson Fists have always gotten along well with the Inquisition and some of the fluff even mentions that the CFs are one of the Chapters that the Inquisition trusts the most. I like the idea that the Crimson Fists "bad luck" during the invasion of Rynn's World was caused by some third party but having the Inquisition be responsible just doesn't make sense.
>>44341464
I thought their was some fluff saying the Imperium sent probes outside the galaxy and all they heard was Orc chatter, hence why the nids are fleeing their galaxy cause the orcs steamrolled them.
>>44342101
He was pretty bummed out on the whole being tricked by a bunch of vampiric butterflies so maybe he did some sight seeing in other galaxies.
>>44342090
>Given Cron tech ... I think he could have gotten pretty far.
The same tech that would doom the Necron dynasties to isolation if they were forced to rely on it without the webway?
>>44342116
One probe, "many" signals IDed as Orks. This is the version from the 4th edition Ork codex:
>Millennia ago, a probe was sent out from Terra, its mission to reach the utmost limit of the universe. The Techpriests who built it hoped that it would someday return to its place of origin. The probe still sends back faint signals after 14,000 years adrift. To the utter despair of the Imperial Techpriests who monitor the incessant battery of incoming signals, many are identified as Orkish. The depressing conclusion for mankind can only be that wherever they travel in space, there’s a good chance that the Orks will either have been there first or won’t be long in arriving.
And see pic for the original from Waaargh the Orks!, which basically says the same thing. However, the 2nd edition codex deviated by saying the probe was only meant to circumnavigate the galaxy.
>>44342325
So basically Orks is the gift from the Old Ones that keeps on giving.
>>44342325
>The same tech that would doom the Necron dynasties to isolation if they were forced to rely on it without the webway?
Somehow that tech allowed the Necrontyr to conquer much of the galaxy, establish a galactic, and then wage galactic war against the Old Ones. Then allowed the Necrons to curbstomp the Old Ones and drive them to their final strongholds. In the final stages of the War in Heaven did the Webway was breached by the Necrons.
I don't buy the DOOMED to isolation bit. I think it's possible he made it to a galaxy or two in the 60 million years of his exile.
>>44342325
>once the technology behind force fields and teleporters was understood, the Orks found them easy to replicate
>Tau can't even figure out how traktor kannons work
lmao
>>44342461
Tau cannot into Warp technology. All teleports, except those of the Necrons, use the Warp.
>>44342477
And Ork force fields use the warp (Waaagh effect) to power them.
Not even the Necrons understand how they actually work because they defy all reason and logic.
>>44342477
That makes sense.
I looked up that thing about their forcefield tech not being original as well. If only this was true on the tabletop.
>>44342002
Every codex makes their faction look threatening and competent. Hell, the Dark Eldar's codex suggests that the Dark Eldar solved the Eldar population problem and that they by far outnumber their Craftworld cousins.
>>44341416
Still hit them pretty hard. CF are a Second Founding Chapter, after all, and not just some dudes in Power Armor.
Also, don't you know that Space Marines get stronger the less there are? If the whole Chapter fights the Orks, they won't stand a chance, but as long as you have ~100 guys at max and some named Marines, they'd hold off a Black Crusade, a Hivefleet and an Ork WAAAGH! at the same time ;)
>>44342566
The Dark Eldar codex makes a point of pointing out that the Dark Eldar and their Dark City are doomed to destruction.
>>44342566
That's not the point, the point is that necrons DO see other races as threats, but have the agenda of saving the planets that they conquered and rightfully own before they're even interested in the guys from a realm that they have no interest in that cannot possibly attack their tomb worlds due to null fields.
That thing about DE is true as well by the way, they do vat-grown babies in order to avoid the long gestation time that they have. They're considered less than perfect though, which is why truebornsit's in the nameare superior both on the tabletop and in the fluff.
Great waaagh or greatest waaagh?
>>44342621
Everything in 40k is slated for destruction.
>>44332016
>I have only ever played Relic games
That there's your problem.
>>44342666
Except Chaos and Tyranids.
>>44342679
Also possibly Orks due to their spores getting in everywhere.
>>44342679
>>44342694
Chaos gods can be killed by the Eldar, Imperium or the Necrons.
Tyranids can be stopped before they enter the galaxy proper.
Ork spores can be cleansed.
>>44342694
Dark eldar has developed weedkiller than destroys orks down to the spore. If they decided that "Fuck orks rather than each other" is the new modus operandi then they could put down fucking ghazghkull if they wished.
>>44342713
Outside of the Ynnead prophecy about Slaanesh's possible death, none of what you stated is pointed out or hinted at.
>>44342723
The thing about the Dark Eldar is that they don't really care about what goes on outside their city. Unless the Orks becomes a problem in Commorragh they see no gain in using such an asset. They are also certainly not gonna hand it out to be a bro.
>>44342325
>The Eldar say that the Orks have become part of reality itself
Isn't everything that exists in reality by definition a part of reality?
>>44342759
Yeah that's true, it's definitely a big "if".
>>44342713
>Chaos can be killed by Eldar
False. The Eldar think that they have a shot in the dark at killing Slaanesh with an untested method.
>>44342778
Nonsense. Only the C'tan, being fundamental parts of the fabric of actuality, are parts of reality.
Mortals are just fleeting inane thoughts.They come and go, worthless in their value and meaning..
>>44342817
>Only the C'tan, being fundamental parts of the fabric of actuality, are parts of reality.
Along with Orks, of course.
>>44342759
I think this seems to be the way the DE would do it.
https://youtu.be/rSFZktZNySg?t=7s
>>44342886
Ork is life, Ork is love.
>>44332134
>told ya i knew where the best fighting was
Fuckkin xenos
>>44332016
>Confirmed for only playing video games
>>44332134
This is why Orks is the best written faction in 40k.
>>44332096
That's not many compared to any other faction.
>>44340611
My favorite is the story about how Kommandos boarded a Tau space station and wrecked the place.
BRUTAL KUNNIN'
>>44343241
Why are the Blood Axes the best Ork clan?
>>44342794
No, no, no. Eldar BELIEVE they can kill Slaanesh with. That's a major diffrence in 40k. The method has been somewhat tested: they accidentally created Slaanesh and he killed most of their gods. Now they want to do the exact same thing, but willingly this time.
>>44343399
Chances are that Slaanesh will just consume Ynnead because Eldar has the shittiest luck.
>>44343395
What part o' BRUTAL KUNNIN' dontcha understand?
>>44343469
Chances are Ynnead will respawn all the Eldar, then become Slaanesh MK2 and team up with Slaanesh and just ruin their lives all over again
>>44343620
>Eye of Terror 2 Electric Boogaloo
>>44343395
because they are the only ones who know how to properly wage war and every other ork who calls them unorky is just jelly faggot who wishes he was this brutally kunnin'
>>44342457
Re-read the fluff. Old Ones weren't curbstomped at all. In fact, they were in a stalemate, with trillions of Necrontyr dying for C'tan shits and giggles in the war. It all changed when the Enslavers appeared.
Orks then were a biological weapon gone wrong.
>>44342664
The Beast's Waaagh nearly conquered the galaxy. Literally the closest any faction has gone post-Fall.
>>44343922
Not as much gone wrong as much as it was left unattended, just like the Eldar who went on to ruin the Warp and created Slaanesh.
>>44342457
Yeah this guy >>44343922
Is correct, Old Ones were having no real issue with the necrontyr, they were beating them back with mid tier effort, it turned against them once the Ctan joined the Necrontyr, allowing for fucking DBZ styled shit to go on. Then when the Ctan allowed the Necrons into the webway shit started to go south for the Old Ones
Only got worse once the weaponised Warp started throwing out all sorts of shit (enslavers)
>>44344010
Old ones ruined the warp, Eldar just added a bit more too it with Slaanesh
I have always wondered how does Slaanesh feel about the Eldar? Is there some sorta twisted love to its creators? Does she hate the Eldar? Or just indifferent but they are tastier?
>>44343922
Are you an idiot? Open up the Newcron bodex and read the first pages, you illiterate idiot.
>>44344066
I'm pretty sure the Eldar created those retarded Warp storms that ruined humanitys ability to travel and it went on like that until the Fall.
>>44344066
>I have always wondered how does Slaanesh feel about the Eldar?
One Black Library novel - I forget which one, it could have been The First Heretic - suggests that the Eldar were consumed because, at the moment of Slaanesh's birth, they realized what they had done and reacted in horror rather than joy. They pulled back at the very last moment instead of embracing what they had become and the entity they had created, and Slaanesh lashed out and devoured them for it. If this is true, then jealousy, possessiveness, even a sort of twisted affection might make sense - like a spurned lover who can't let go.
>>44344123
I always kinda imagined Slaanesh being that crazy ex gf with the mentality of "if I cant have you then no one can!" sorta thing, so this pleases me
>>44344092
>>44344066
>>44344028
>>44344010
>>44343922
For the talk about the Newcron fluff being "great", I guess nobody actually read it.
The Old Ones were curbstomped by the Necrons. They stood no chance against the Necron and C'tan alliance. Old Ones and their servants were no match to the Necron technological supremacy and cosmic power of the C'tan.
The Warp horrors came at the later stages of the War when the Necrons were besieging the final strongholds of the Old Ones. The Old Ones were sandwitched between the death march of the Necrons and the horrors they unleashed with their desperation and hubris .
>>44343922
The Old Ones won easily pre-C'tan as per the original version, but Newcron lore does indeed present the war after the Necrontyr's transformation as a curbstomp.
5th edition, pic related for full:
>With the C'tan and the Necrons fighting as one, the Old Ones were now doomed to defeat. etc.
7th edition:
>Filled with renewed wrath, and backed by the reality-sundering abilities of the C’tan, the Necrons rekindled their war upon the Old Ones. Worlds ran red with blood and cities crumbled to ash, and one by one the Old Ones’ fortress worlds fell. Yet it was only in his hour of victory that Szarekh finally understood the true horror of what he had done. His people had been destroyed, replaced by a hollow race under the thrall of the C’tan. Desperate to atone, he betrayed his immortal allies, and turned his soldiers upon them while they gorged on the ruin of their defeated foes. So were the star gods in turn brought low, and though they could not truly be killed, Szarekh broke them into shards and imprisoned them within Tesseract Vaults, that their remaining power might serve the Necrons’ cause as both an energy source and a weapon of dire potency.
>>44344295
What have we learned today, kids?
Necrons rules, Old Ones droll.. Proper science and honest hardwork beats sorcery and shortcuts..
>>44344338
>and though they could not truly be killed
Explain the Flayer Curse then why don't ya?
>>44344123
Can we trust that info? It came from a daemon who wanted to sell Chaos to Word Bearer Prime.
>>44344385
The Flayer lives on in the Flayed Ones. I imagine the C'tan being like jenga blocks for reality. If one actually did die thing would not be a pretty sight.
>>44344504
So far, she told no lies. Everything she said was confirmed to be the truth.
>>44332134
I wish Warbosses matched their fluff
>>44344123
Makes me wonder if any eldar has ever just let go and accepted the lord of excess as their destiny and true nature.
>>44345616
There are Chaos Eldar in the fluff and there were Eldars that worked for the birth of Slaanesh.
>>44345788
Sounds interesting. Care to elaborate?
>>44343395
Bah, dey'z roight unorky gitz wif no idea 'ow to be-ave loik propah orkz. An' dey'z stink loik 'umies too.
>>44342088
Chaos really isn't more than a hiccup to a Necron civilization but is a bigger threat to them in their current state.
If the Necrons get off their asses fast enough and finish conquering the galaxy before the Emperor dies, chaos becomes a background character that's there but easily handled with sunscreen or bug spray.
The reason Chaos is a big threat at the moment is because the Imperium and psycho-sensitive races are the dominant lifeforms of the galaxy.
>>44347013
Oh'boy, another Necron fanboy that thinks his faction is more relevant to the setting than Chaos.
>>44347165
Nah.
He is just staying the obvious which is basically Chaos is not a direct threat to the Necrons. A united Necron civilization has nothing ti fear from Chaos.
However, the Necrons in their current state are vulnerable to being blown away when humanity explodes into Chaos all over the place. Necrons can theoretically prevent this from happening if they united and did a little human culling.
>>44347165
Never said that, Chaos is a fundemental part of the universe but in a world of nulls and warpsheilds, they don't have much kindling.
Chaos is a large scale threat so long as humanity is as widespread and uncontrolled as it currently is.
The Cabal was right, to end the threat you have to end humanity.
Warcraft? I dunno, not invested in the lore that much.
>>44340300
I don't know why an Ork fan would bring up that battle. The Orks still manged to lose despite victory being practically handed to them early on. Come back to Rynn's World if you ever want another Crimson Fisting.
>>44342606
Fair enough.
>>44333012
sauce
>>44347594
Gharkull Blackfang
>>44347594
There's this ancient throwaway line about Horus cutting the arm off an Ork warlord as it "struggled to choke the Emperor's life out of him", which has been repeated in HH fluff since forever but was never elaborated on until the BL short story The Wolf of Ash and Fire. If I remember correctly, the boss in question was some crazy huge cybork, and the Emperor was drained from having to constantly, personally power the Astronomican even while fighting.
Said Ork is frequently confused with Urlakk Urg and Gharkhul Blackfang, two other Great Crusade-era warlords that were killed by Horus and the Emperor respectively.
>>44348978
Said giant emprah choking ork also equipped his boys, all of em, with plasma weaponry. They had mastered safe and effective plasma rifle production ork style, which was the basis for the attack against the green filth in the first place.
>>44351159
Ha, my mate that has played orks since forever told me it used to be possible to give every boy in a mob a plasma gun at one point on the TT too.
>>44332871
>>44345145
I always wished that we had a valid option for a dakkaboss. It always bothered me that if I want to have a guntoting badass I had to take captain Badruk.
>>44355966
>tfw
>>44355966
Can use the killdakka. Down part is that you're stuck with one gun
>>44355966
Whats wrong with a big mek, m8
>>44356132
ballistic skill 6
>initiative 5
its too beautiful, i must look away
>>44332016
Tuska
>>44356466
big mech isn't a boss m8
He's middle management
>>44356466
The problem with the Big Mek is that he suffers from the problem that all of the Ork HQs have; they are not Bosses.
There are only three Ork Warboss statline characters in the Codex; Generic Warboss, Ghazzy, and the limited edition Grukk.
And the generic Boss is really limited in what you can gear him out to do which is sad for the faction that is supposed to be most zany in customization (Give me my Rokkit-Boss already GW).
And the other HQs in the book are all just Big Nobs.
Their statlines are just a Nob but with a different gun or weapon.
It's lame as fuck and we should be getting crazy bullshit like MekBoss Buzzgob or even Nazdreg.
>>44340632
Checked the Lexicanum and there is no Hound Skull chapter. Anyone want to update it?
>>44332016
they are the reason the Necron said "Fuck this" and went in their Tombs.
>>44343395
Because they have da EMPRAH on their side.
>>44358667
>tfw modern Kommandos doesn't look enough like human military
>>44359168
i want more fluff about orks worshipping the humy wargod "EMPRAH" and his Spice Mareens.
>>44358622
In Oldcron fluff it was the Enslaver plague and what looked like the imminent extinction of all life in the galaxy. In Newcron fluff it was the Eldar. Or rather, in the 5th edition codex (see >>44344338) it was explicitly the Eldar, while the latest one just says "enemies".
>>44359168
I think the models are fine in that regard - they even have sleeves, which is a rare sight on Orks since 3rd edition, almost unique even. The Stormboyz are the ones that really missed the mark in my opinion.
>>44359551
Well the BDSM gear that the tankbustas wear covers some arm as well, but yeah you're right there. They're still far away from the old artwork, but I think I prefer them the way they are right now.
I fucking love the stormboy plastics though, they're exactly what I wanted for so long and I instantly sold all my half metal/half plastic stormboy grenades for them when they were released. Could've done with a stahlhelm or two though.
>>44359496
that's heretical in more than one way son
please report to your local comissar and ask for blammification
>>44340670
You know, somehow I doubt orks would have the patience needed to torch a whole planet unless they had a weapon capable of doing it in a dozen salvos. They'd probably visit and sack all the interesting parts, maybe scout for a few months more to see if there's any adventures to be had (longer depending on where the next sackable world is), and leave, leaving behind their spores for ferals.
>>44359551
Just saying that I kinda like them better when they try to mimic something from the real world.
Bump
>>44359660
My issue with the plastic Stormboyz is that, while they're cool models in their own right and much more interesting than the old metal upgrade bits, they don't seem as neat and uniform as they should be (considering they came out after the codex that brought the old Stormboy fluff back).
