Terrible generals edition
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First for fuck timestretch
>>44326666
First for nice quads OP
Who do you hate more:
>Kruphix
>Narset
>Oloro
And why?
Opinions on this Tasigur list? It's supposed to play out like a draw, go blue-based control list with enough board control to make sure things don't get too out of hand.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/tasigur-2016-political-draw-go/
>>44326666
>Legends creatures were named after characters in a D&D campaign Richard Garfield was in at the time
>they're almost all garbage
That's the most expensive mana dork I've ever seen
>>44326797
Narset. Kruphix and Oloro are boring but at least they don't 'oops I win' in a single attack
>>44326797
I play Kraj, so, none?
>>44326797
Oh gosh. Probably Narset, but Oloro is a very close second. Command zone interactions were a huge mistake
>>44326797
>hating the all American girl Narset
Narset is love. Narset is life, my friend.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/transcendent-perfection/
>>44326797
Orloro
literally, I should just as well play by myself .dec
>>44326895
>having creatures in your Narset deck
>Not mother of runes
baka desu senpai
>>44326797
Oloro. Kruphix himself isn't frankly that bad, it's his prophet and the playstyle that so frequently accompanies his decks that are such fucking pains in the ass. Ditto Narset.
You can play cheesy Kruphix hydras and morphs and you can play goofy Narset chaos, but there's literally no way to build an Oloro deck that isn't already taking advantage of how stupidly he's designed unless you cast him and throw him into the graveyard first chance you get.
Post fun mono-red commanders
Purphoros doesn't count
>>44326947
Alright, I have an Orloro I have just sitting around. I'm going to make angry sitting people.
I need a recomendation for all Magic cards of sitting people.
The goal is to be aggro as fuck while sitting down
>>44326996
Better question:
Are there any mono-red commanders that DON'T have to rely on artifacts to be competitive? Purphoros probably comes closest.
>>44327012
Dragon throne is a must-add
>>44326797
Kruphix is group hug tier right?
Narset can be nasty but she can still miss. Oloro is just plain cancerous.
>>44326996
>>44327032
>>44326666
Can Squirrel Tribal EDH?
>>44327032
Feldon, Ashling
>>44327032
Probably Purph
Maybe Krenko even though he has no variation
>>44327035
fuck I have one of those too
>>44327012
High Priest of Penance is actually ridiculous if you can buff him or make him indestructible
>>44327012
>aggro with Oloro
His control shell is far better
>>44327012
Teysa 2.0
>>44327099
>His control shell is far better
you're missing the point
Can I get some opinions on my first Commander deck?
This is what I have ATM:
http://www.mtgvault.com/felonary/decks/the-underworld-edh/
Feedback greatly appreciated.
>>44327012
Karlov has decent synergy with oloro and is sitting down
>>44327118
It's a Demonic Deck.
>>44326666
As for the topic, I useChandra.
>>44327109
>>44327121
got her and uncle Karlov
>>44327032
Lovisa?
>>44327118
Be prepared to be Enemy #1
>>44327032
>>44326996
HIDETSUGU
Motherfucker WRECKS SHIT when he's built right
>>44327167
Why? lol
>>44327167
Because of Sorin?
>>44327190
Creature sac and -10 per fetch.
>>44326996
Very niche but stupidly fun
>the asspain when you steal someone's bigass Dragon general
>>44326996
>>44327032
KAZUUL NIGGAAAAAAA
You can run some really crazy shit with him. Tapping down/destroying everyone's lands so it's impossible to attack you without you shitting out a huge amount of Ogre tokens
Go build a Kazuul control deck right the fuck now
>>44327227
>>44327214
What do you guys think of it? Should I replace anything to make it better? Is it badass enough? Please tell me. :)
>>44327288
>>44327118
You could always run Maralen to make people really sad with Ob. Fair warning, she's probably not going to make it to your upkeep since people will grab hate immediately
>>44327288
Red has stuff that taps down players' lands?
>>44327359
There's always War's Toll
>>44327118
Cabal Coffers is a requirement in any black deck. Army of the Damned might prove useful, too. I also recommend Reanimate, Entomb, and Disentomb.
>>44327374
>play black/red
>Put out Purphoros
>No one does anything
>Drop cabal coffers, then follow with Army of the Damned.
>The sheer rage aimed my way from 5 people was palpable
>>44327359
Yes, War's Toll. Price of Glory nukes the land instead and then there's the obvious Manabarbs/Burning Earth
>>44327374
I need it legal in Modern. I would love to have Cabal Coffers and maybe a Dark Ritual, but I can't. :(
>>44327353
Yeah I'm still debating using her.
>>44327288
There's a guy in my group who runs Kazuul. He's fucking crazy. There's a lot of the old artifacts in there, and let me tell you that Dingus Egg and any land destruction at all are an absolutely disgusting combination.
>>44327684
>Dingus Egg
Holy fuck that card is crazy. Imagine cycling Decree of Annihilation with that on the field
Gonna buy one
>>44327032
Kiki Jiki?
>>44327684
Oh shit Dingus Egg combos with fetches too
>>44327819
>Burning Earth + Manabarbs
>Dingus Egg + Armageddon
FUN IS NO LONGER ALLOWED
>>44327948
You would most likely be the first to die from that, unless you tapped artifacts for it
>>44327012
Vish Kal is actually crazy good.
>>44328144
Kinda hard with the MLD, but Manabarbs + Burning Earth do nothing with Glacial Chasm in play.
Love paying 2-4-6-8 life and tapping my lands freely while my opponents sit there unable to do shit.
>>44328628
When do you usually stop with the upkeep on Glacial Chasm?
>>44328864
When I literally can't pay it anymore, or draw Crucible of Worlds / Vesuva / Thespian's Stage.
So usually at 10 life.
How Jank is Grave Betrayal? Seems expensive but great if you have a board wipe in hand. And how good of an indicator is card price for actual card value?
>>44328960
This Deck sounds weird
Got a list?
>>44329003
Grave Betrayal is garbage, just cast Rise of the Dark Realms instead.
>how good of an indicator is card price for actual card value?
Sort of? Card price indicates how much of a staple something is or how scarce it is, typically.
>>44329039
Sure, I've changed like 15 cards since I last updated the decklist so give me 10 minutes to update it.
>>44326996
>>44329039
>>44329174
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mogis-god-of-sunshine-and-happiness
Here we go!
And yes, the deck is pretty weird.
Lost last night when somebody swung with six Dragon Mages, from a kicked Rite of Replication... with Psychosis Crawler out.
Was awful, but glorious.
>>44329390
Nice curve.
Also, Yawgmoth's Will is amazing if you're running Coffers + Urborg. Much better than Ill-Gotten Gains.
No Damnation?
>>44327328
I need Shrek tokens for Kazuul
>>44329483
Recently threw the deck together, so I don't have the proper boardwipes.
Didn't get the coffers until yesterday in fact.
Yawgmoth's would replace Ill-Gotten Gains anyday.
Also replacing Life's Finale with Toxic Deluge / Damnation when I get one.
Also need a vampiric, maybe a Darkness too, although that's easy to find.
keranos best god
>>44329523
No lie. I have been wanting to build Kazuul for awhile now. My current mono red is Chandra because it's bad fun (got my friend to say "What the fuck. I've taken 10 damage from that shit. It's the little things that count). I just want call it Shrek and make a bunch of Shrek and ogre puns like Ogreloading Vandal Blast. Shame there's no black for Shreking Ball. I do get Survey the Shrekage and Shreking Ogre, so there's that.
>>44327288
Link your deck then dumbass
>>44329735
Athreos confirmed politician.
Is Athreos a pillowfort or a control commander?
>>44329860
You also can't run swamps which is ass
>>44329860
Don't make it a meme deck, he doesn't deserve that. Kazuul is way better than people give him credit for.
>>44329962
Black would be great for Kuon, too. He makes people get out of his swamp.
>>44330068
That's the thing. It will be good. I know how good he is, and I know how to build Monored. The time to wait is Ogre.
>>44329940
>>44329940
id say pillowfort
>>44330093
>That guy who won't stop browsing r/4chan on his phone or saying DUHRGANS whenever the dragon tribal guy casts a spell just got a brand new deck based on a /b/ meme from years ago, and he's coming soon to an FLGS near you!
>Watch in awe as he confidently jests like a true child of the post-modern age, reveling in the internet culture he uses to identify himself in lieu of a personality!
>Marvel at his tenacity for insisting that the same joke is just as funny the seventieth time as it was the thirtieth!
>Just wait until you hear all four of the almost original jokes he made up for individual cards!
>Don't worry, if he doesn't cast them in a game, he'll be sure to pull them out afterwards and tell you them anyway!
Yaaaaay.
Would you play this?
>>44330380
No. Go back to your containment thread.
>>44330426
>implying EDH isn't a containment thread for a shitty format
>>44330380
Literally shit. Way better UW commanders exist.
>>44330093
You can run Urborg to make all lands into swamps
>>44330380
Fuck off /ccg/fag
>>44327012
Ashen Rider, Tithe Drinker, Serra Avatar, Sharuum, Sphinx of Steel Wind is kinda sitting, Sphinx of Uthuun, Venser's leaning
>>44327634
modern only commander?
>>44330426
>>44330843
Not that guy, but why such a harsh backlash against custom cards? They aren't all as bad as >>44330380.
>>44330906
No, they are.
Stop thinking other people are interested in your "creations"
>>44330322
What
>>44330930
So every custom card ever created is terrible? What about invitational cards? Where do you draw your ridiculous line?
>>44330906
I don't care if they're all good or bad or inbetween, I just have zero interest in them and don't want them clogging up an already shit-filled thread. I don't go to /ccg/ and yell at people for not making Legacy staples, so don't come here and post your shitty shit.
>>44330874
My friend gave me a challenge to make a kick ass commander deck legal in Modern. Tell me what you think.
http://www.mtgvault.com/felonary/decks/the-underworld-edh/
>>44331067
>so don't come here and post your shitty shit
I didn't. I asked why custom cards caused such a backlash in general. I didn't even post an image, anon.
>>44330906
The vast majority of them are that bad.
>>44331430
The vast majority of actual cards are bad
>>44331501
You know, I almost went to argue against this and then I realized that out of probably 30,000 cards made, only about 3,000 are used in competitive play, if that.
>>44331543
Bad is relative. If you consider limited, there are comparatively far fewer bad cards than if you just consider constructed formats.
>>44331543
Exactly. "Good" cards are more of the exception, not the rule.
>>44329279
my nigga
I'm legit shocked at how good he is
>Hellkite tyrant steals the blue player's board
>Hoarding Dragon to tutor Sundial/Stylus so your dragons don't die
>Balefire to nuke a board
>Bogardan Hellkite spot removal
>Dragon Mage to wheel
>Hoard-Smelter for the shatters
>Ryusei to wrath
>Scourge of Valkas +Utvara Hellkite
>>44331501
They are, sure, but when you can do whatever the fuck you want with a card, come up with something interesting, not something insanely overpowered
>>44326666
>terrible generals edition
yes hello did you call?
>>44331877
>Hoarding Dragon to tutor Sundial/Stylus so your dragons don't die
Wait. Are you saying if I have this guy, and I Sundial before the end of the turn, the dragons don't get exiled?
fucking hell
>>44332036
Only until the next end step
>>44332076
No, you wait for the triggers to go on the stack, THEN end the turn, exiling the trigger.
>>44332036
Yes it works, but only if done in the way above
>>44332147
Wouldn't they just trigger again next end step anyway?
>>44332385
He got errata'd so it's just the next end step
>>44332385
Zirilan's oracle wording says "Exile it at the beginning of the next end step."
Because the ability only triggers once (at the beginning of the soonest end step), once the ability triggers once, it won't trigger again. If you end the turn after the ability triggers, but before it resolves, it won't trigger again because it already triggered.
So yes, Sundial + Zirilan = Crazy dragon shenanigans.
>>44332531
THAT'S FUCKING BONKERS HOLY SHIT
God, Sundial is such a weird and wonderful card. Is it the most complex card they ever put in a core set? Why does this thing not see more play in like Twin or Kiki-Jiki decks?
What's the most spectacular way you've lost a game? I once had a guy cast a Dualcaster Mage in response to my Eternal Dominion when I have a deck full of clones. Things got wacky real quick.
![Image[1].ashx_multiverseid=23321&type=card.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dKyatw5.jpg "Image[1].ashx_multiverseid=23321&type=card.jpg")
>>44326666
On paper, Tsabo looks like a terrible commander, but for some reason I feel like she can be really fun as a control/disruption commander, especially vs Voltron commanders. Anyone have any experience using Tsabo as a commander and would like to provide thoughts?
if i try to play voltron without being in blue, how can i stop my commander being removed as soon as it hits the board? my only idea is to rely on green for hexproof.
also looking for commander suggestions for Jund that work as the only creature
>>44333391
Just play Thrun
Best anthems for White/Red decks?
>>44333391
Run Guttural Response and only ever cast your commander when you have it in hand?
>>44333406
War Flare is an instant but it's solid
Gleam of Battle if you like counters
>>44333406
RAGE REFLECTION
FUCK +1/+1 WEENIE BULLSHIT, GIVE ALL YOUR SHIT DOUBLE STRIKE
>>44333391
Consider commanders with haste. Instant-speed removal can stop them, but most people don't prepare sufficiently for hasty threats.
Karrthus is a good one in Jund. Just pack sac outlets and ignore the dragon clause.
>>44333406
>>44333480
Why not just add one more colored symbol, and gain lifelink while you're at it?
I'm sorry you're so outclassed, Rage Reflection.
>>44333391
>>44333431
ok i've decided i don't need black. going gruul colours
>>44333405
monogreen a shit
>>44333709
damn. i've been needing a rage reflection and now you tell me white is where it's at, i don't even like white
>>44333527
perhaps i can rely on enchantments to give haste?
maybe Atarka, World Render... killing people in 2 hits is attractive plus i'm a fan of flample
what about 'oops all lands' Borborygmos Enraged but then that's not a good idea i want to go voltron not gimmick
Ruric Thar seems like a good nofun build
alright i think i've decided on Atarka. thanks for the pointers everyone
>>44333709
Oh shit I don't play white, didn't even know about that one
Should I make the Great Snake Mistake, or should I make Athreos, Gof of Stuff (no idea how to build)
>>44331208
It's the equivalent of going into a discussion about Star Wars or something and being like HEY GUYS READ MY FANFIC
Obviously people don't care about your shit
we're playing commander online again today, come join us it's a good time
skype isjudaselias
>>44333869
Athreos is fun with a bunch of midrange threats that like to die and repeatable reanimation. Also every grave pact incarnation
>>44327012
All the Specters. They're riding winged abominations, but that still qualifies as sitting. Any of the creatures with horsemanship in Esper colors would fit the bill too. There's also Mounted Archers(there's a lot of mounted creatures if you're willing to look, like a knight lord on a horse I can't recall the name of), Sigil of the Empty Throne, Throne of Bone, Throne of Empires, Throne of Geth, Keeper of Tresserhorn and (pic related).
Wanted to make kind of a gimmicky 5 color deck with all the theros gods, any thoughts?
http://deckstats.net/deck-8647668-9483edae556e739cee7a1ba1f46c5f95.html
>Aggravated Assault and Gratuitous Violence will never get reprints
>>44334232
godspeed
>>44333527
>ignore the dragon clause
it's surprisingly relevant especially if you play against shit heads that play prosshlike meniv mizzix or even scion even though scion can just become a karrthus
>>44332746
generally they win by going infinite, no need to keep infinite tokens around
Hey /tg/, was just wondering if I could get some help improving my deck. It's good so far but I don't like the average CMC and would like to lower it while keeping the general playstyle/sorts of cards I use intact.
Here's the deck: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/marchesa-and-the-99/
>>44334310
fuck off kratos you're not god of puns
>>44334518
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&text=+[persist]&color=+![G]+![W]
>>44334010
Wait, are graveyards supposed to be ordered?
>>44334933
Yes, you fucking cheater.
>>44334933
Yes and no.
It's supposed to, but the number of cards that cares about it is so little that nobody actually does or enforces it.
>>44334810
Oh, neat! I would have never thought of that, thanks Anon! But any specific advice?
>>44335018
http://www.edhrec.com/commander/marchesa,%20the%20black%20rose/
>>44334933
Yes. It's in the rules.
In modern/standard it really doesn't matter and I don't think anyone will fault you for not doing so, because there're no cards that care about graveyard order in those formats.
In EDH/vintage/legacy, yes, it matters, because there are some cards that care about graveyard order.
would anyone like to help me make my edh deck better?its dromoka and its a little bit of a clusterfuck
>>44335197
Whoops. I've always sorted mine by card type when it's not my turn and no one's ever said a thing.
>>44335360
You don't have to ask permission, go ahead and post it.
>>44326797
I don't hate any of them specifically. i just hate that everyone who plays them seems to fall into that 'I play solitaire, combo out, and win', which inevitably ends with them bowing out and letting the rest of the table play.
http://www.mtgvault.com/auro/decks/dromoka-edh-30/
I know I need to take out anafenza and echoes of the kin tree, and add an eternal witness, but I know theres other things this deck needs but Im not quite sure
Is Tuktuk even worth considering as a general?
>>44335619
I would consider a Dromoka the Eternal in there for dat dere Bolster and more counters
>>44326996
Zurgo Bellstriker
Jaya Ballard- Because playing red.deck in EDH is hilarious when people comment monored is weak in EDH.
Norin the wary
>>44335694
that is a really good idea anon, thanks
I really just need to figure out how to get more mana, that always seems to be a problem with my deck and card draw
How good is Tasigur in EDH overall?
I've been trying him in a control shell but he seems to be subpar so far. Would rather use a different commander as well for any reanimator builds.
>>44335771
Nigga you're in green, the best color for big mana
Go get some ramp cards, mana dorks and more fetchlands, not everything has to be creature-centric
>>44335815
>I've been trying him in a control shell but he seems to be subpar so far.
How so? Do you have a list? I posted mine near the beginning of the thread. I'd be interested in trading notes.
>>44335815
>How good is Tasigur
He goes from "meh" to "holy fucking shit" the moment you start focusing on generating infinite mana.
The more infinite mana combos you have in Tasigur, the better.
>Infinite mana
>cast tasigur
>activate ability until library is gone
>activate ability until graveyard (minus lands) is in hand
>cast spell
>activate tasigur, put said spell back into your hand
>repeat this indefinitely
>>44335857I just dont really know that many cards
Im messing with it now though
>>44335619
For a deck that wants to make a lot of creatures, you're not running a lot. Some of your mana rocks could probably be replaced with creatures that grab you lands, like wood elves and farhaven elf. I would suggest dropping everflowing chalice and dreamstone hedron.
Also, you're missing some of the better token producers in Mycoloth, Awakening Zone and From Beyond.
Your land base could use a little work to. Try to pick up Canopy Vista, and Temple Garden at the least. Other lands to pick up would include Dryad Arbor, Horizon Canopy, and any of the fetch lands.
>>44335872
>tfw tasigur kills you all with hornet sting
>>44335919
>mfw
>>44335862
Here, its a list that is based off of a RL build:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/tasigur-edh-deck-1/
Could use some suggestions for great alternative bombs for the three phyrexian leaders in order to save some cash.
>>44335872
Eh, wouldn't want to use an infinite combo. Its too cheap and predictable.
Post yer tokens
about to print two or three of these for my deck, I looked at all the tokens magiccards.info had and these were the best 1/1 white vanilla soldiers
>>44336220
>>44328144
>>44328628
>>44328864
>>44328960
>>44329390
>>44336079
Here's my rough draft for Tasigur control:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/tasigur-2016-political-draw-go/
It's based around exploiting your opponents to allow you to stop most bombs while slowly winning the battle of card advantage. Personally, I think your approach to Tasigur is a little flawed. Your opponents don't want to give you praetors or ConcSphinx, they want to give you Pongify so you can take out an opposing ConcSphinx. Your list as it stands now could probably use more ramp and Damia at the helm. My only win cons are Tasigur beats and the possibility of a Mindslaver lock. Admittedly, I haven't actually played my deck IRL so I'm mostly talking out of my ass but I did a lot of research.
>>44336275
Shit, how did I forget about this card.
Definitely going to add it.
>>44327118
Could somebody please check this and give me some ideas on how to improve this deck. It's my first attempt at EDH. That would be greatly appreciated.
please help i don't know what i'm doing
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/pharikas-big-tea-party/
>>44336331
And I need to keep it in Modern legality. My friend wanted me to build him a demon based Commander deck in Modern. Thank you. :3
>>44336286
Hmm, its an interesting decklist. Will test this out and see how it fares.
>>44336331
>>44336407
Shirei needs to be at the helm instead of the 99. Switch him and Ob Nix.
Needs Caged Sun, Nirkana Revenant, Gauntlet of Might
Murder over Tribute to Hunger
Liliana of the Dark Realm is actually very, very good in monoblack.
More lands and more mana rocks.
Disentomb, Empty the Catacombs, Cruel Edict, Gravepurge, and Semblance Anvil seem very weak.
No Exsanguinate? Sure, no Coffers, but you should still be able to generate a decent amount of mana.
Where's Gray Merchant of Asphodel?
Trying to piece together something good to do with him.
Does it really just boil down to zombie/graveyard deck but EDH?
>>44336399
Trying to force a BG enchantress deck just for a handful of constellation cards seems a bit risky. Pharika doesn't seem that great either. Golgari usually cares a lot about manipulating creatures in graveyards, exiling them hinders you almost as much as it helps.
Still, if you're dead set on it -
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+[enchantress]
And
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?output=standard&sort=cn+&action=advanced&text=+%5Bconstellation%5D
See if you missed anything.
>>44336759
I am rather set in my ways, i had forgotten about the plain enchantress creatures and Humbler of Mortals
i'm not really sure what i'll end up doing with the deck, it may never survive past being a thought experiment
>>44336588
Thank you for the upgrade. I will incorporate a few of them into it now.
>>44336588
Any special lands I could use? (Besides Cabal Coffers)
>>44333391
I run pic related in voltron, and he gets a surprising amount of one hit kills. He uses literally all of the mana, but if you can give him double strike then one hit kills become pretty easy, and it's not like you can't get him the mana in Jund.
>>44336843
Well you might as well get some black removal spells and green ramp then.
Pestilence seems like it could fit.
Consider some of the green creatures that must be blocked like unicorns, good fit with deathtouch. Also some green creature fight spells like hunt the weak. Add some green fatties or token producers.
Today I learned why they had to make a rule for this.
>>44337000
All four fetchlands and Blighted Fen if you want to run Crucible of Worlds. Vesuva is weak since you can't copy Nykthos. Bojuka Bog is an autoinclude. You might want to bump your land count up to 38-40 if you don't add mana rocks.
>>44337136
Why?
>>44337131
thanks
>>44337169
I had a manifested instant on the battlefield due to casting Radiate on a Reality Shift. Later on, while it was still on the board, I cloned an opponent's Mikaeus the Unhallowed, giving it undying. The instant died later on and didn't come back due to the rule.
>>44337219
Fucking manifest ruining general tuck.
Is my Kemba list bad and why is it bad: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kemba-artifact-hoarder/
>>44337060
that's the reason i settled on Atarka, who naturally has double strike, even though it's conditional. I'm putting in lots of power raising things and hexproof too. also even though black is my favourite colour to play i don't especially need it in this deck
>>44337184
I almost forgot, reaper of the wilds. You like Green, Black, and deathtouch, so I'm assuming gorgons are going to be right up your ally. There's even a gorgon planeswalker I think, check it out.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&color=+[B]+[G]+![R]+![U]+![W]
This should be a list of a bunch of black/green spells, might help.
>>44337327
The Gorgon Planeswalker is very very bad, though.
>>44329279
can you tutor elder dragons with him? or is "elder dragon" a different deal
>>44337380
An Elder Dragon is still a Dragon. Dragons of Tarkir provides some examples.
>>44337356
Agreed.
If the + on a planeswalker sucks you might as well not even bother. You're never going to get to pop ults unless you're winning anyways.
>>44337000
Deserted Temple.
look ma I'm posten it again
http://www.mtgvault.com/auro/decks/dromoka-edh-40/
this is the revised version of my deck
>>44337603
Is it that time again?
>>44337679
I see that you like cancer
>>44337603
>alright guy
>>44337679
>faggot
>>44337380
Yup. Elder Dragons aren't "Elder Dragon", they're "Elder" and "Dragon". Zirilan can tutor them into play.
>>44337603
>"standard" edh
Pls tell me this isn't a real thing. Please.
>>44337810
hey, I thought it was stupid at first too. but it turns out when you aren't getting steam rolled by the guy with mana drain and mishra's workshop or worrying about the sidisi ad nauseum combo guy going for it, good old battlecruiser EDH can be kind of fun. and you don't have to worry about the meta getting too stale, every few months the decks will have to change up considerably.
>>44337887
Sounds terrible. It's like if someone took everything cool about EDH and said no, let's not do that anymore.
>>44337684
>>44337703
>mfw I see all this salt
>>44337975
for me it felt like changing from modern to standard. you go from overpowering value grinds or instant win combos to random piles of good crap that might have some mild synergy and just slug it out. it's a refreshing break from a format that becomes monotonous.
>shaman of forgotten ways ability and go balls deep with my army of fat ass trample
>other player tells me "sick combo brah"
>then he plays some fucking 3cmc fog
>I get slapped and die
restrictions breed creativity. piles of unpredictable jank make interesting games.
I'm in a weird spot. I want to get Mystic Confluence and Mizzix Mastery into my Jeleva deck, but it's difficult. Confluence is a perfect card for the deck be abuse it's Modal bounce/counter/draw, which is what the deck wants. Mizzix is there because it should be obvious. The hardest part is keeping the curve down. What do you guys think?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jelevas-spiraling-torment/
>>44326797
Why do people hate Oloro so much? I've never had any particularly bad experiences with him, but I had a friend who had a massive rage boner for him and would instantly target anybody playing him.
>>44338107
He'a an uninteractive general who lends himself to uninteractive gameplans.
>>44333013
The problem is that her ability must be answered, therefore it will, and red black can't protect its creatures from being removed like white green and blue can
Compounding that issue is her mana cost, you need 9 mana and haste if expect her to do anything at all for your mana
Finally, destroying legendary creatures is great but you'll find that you need more than that. Too many must answer threats are not legendary, and too many legendaries are hexproof or indestructible
Red black can be very powerful but I don't like its commander options, you have Grenzo and rakdos lord of riots who are both very powerful but are serious build around cards and neither support a control/spellflinger, being creature focused. The rest of the red black legendaries are basically all equally creature focused they just aren't as good as rakdos or Grenzo
That's why you see so many Mogis decks even though Mogis is pretty underwhelming, he's simply the best option for a noncreature-based red black deck
>>44337454
You could have a bad + if your - was immediate value for the CMC of the walker.baby jace is the obvious example, the + is slight protection for himself, but the - is total value
>>44338132
Counters and removal are interaction, anon.
>>44338174
they're interactive, but they're reactive interactions rather than proactive interactions, which is the durdliest and most boring type of interactive.
>>44338194
Most Oloro lists I've seen run hand disruption, too.
Just admit that you find control boring to play against rather than misuse terms.
>>44338216
I refuse.
>>44338107
People play commanders to play against other commander decks. People who dislike Oloro tend to dislike playing commander against a 100-card singleton Esper goodstuff deck that begins the game with a planeswalker emblem in lieu of a commander.
>>44338174
The commander itself is uninteractive. There is no risk. Your commander will always give you value without you having to do so much as cast the fucker, and that's really lame.
>>44338216
Not him, but yeah, control usually is kind of boring. Oloro isn't just as annoying as control, though. The card itself was just poorly designed.
>>44338233
Then I have to call you a faggot.
>>44338244
Then I have to counter with a reaction image!
>>44338242
The lifegain Oloro provides is typically pointless, though. I've argued this before so I'm not going to now, but I will say that ~20 life in a format that ends with infinite combos or massive alpha strikes is pretty tame.
>Not him, but yeah, control usually is kind of boring.
So you'd rather let the combo deck anally devastate you rather than play the beautiful cat and mouse game of control vs. aggro?
>>44329390
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mogis-god-of-sunshine-and-happiness
I like it, but it looks like you have to be relly careful or you're going to kill yourself with it.
>>44338269
The lifegain is inconsequential, until it's a free card as part of a combo with life-gain synergy like Drogskol Reaver, or until its gravy on top of Esper goodstuff Highlander.
And yes, at least blistering fast combo finishes the game quickly. Sixty turns of pillowfort doesn't.
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>>44338255
Acceptable.
>>44338269
>~20 life in a format that ends with infinite combos or massive alpha strikes is pretty tame.
Inconsequential my ass -- if it were, why would people run him? In any format, gaining ~20 life is significant, and in any other example it would be something that would cost at least a few resources -- it would cost card advantage, mana, a turn to set up some kind of synergy, etc.
Oloro gains ~20 life for free, and that's assuming that your games only take 20 turns because he ALWAYS gains that life, and there's no way to stop itsave pic related, mine's in the mailbecause, one more time, he's completely uninteractive. It's simply not fun to play against. On an almost instinctual level, most people are strongly opposed to people getting shit for free that they can't also get for free. Oloro gets life for free, so people (understandably!) feel ripped off. Oloro is a competitive commander, no doubt -- but the reason he's competitive in the first place is because the card ignores how commander works for everyone else, i.e., that all other commanders have to actually be cast to have an effect.
And control vs. aggro is way more fun in shorter games.
>>44338255
I knew I recognized that art
>>44338386
Oloro isn't competitive, Esper goodstuff/control is. Oloro just happens to be the best general to complement that strategy but is in no way necessary. Compare him to Derevi.
Then compare him to Jeleva and Grixis storm. Sure, she's the best general for the deck, but she doesn't play a very big role in it. She's a back up plan at best, just like Oloro's lifegain is a back up plan in case you can't establish control of the board.Frankly I think Merieke ri Berit is far better than Oloro for Esper control since she deals with problematic commanders better which is a bigger weakness of the deck.
I agree with you philosophically about commanders that interact with the command zone, but the only real problem child of that generation for multiplayer EDH is Derevi.Goddamnit I hate getting into this discussion.
>>44338451
And Prossh. Forgot about him because he's nonexistent in my meta. But he seems pretty busted.
>>44338451
>but the only real problem child of that generation for multiplayer EDH is Derevi.
"Only"? I don't think so. Those commanders were all pretty stupid, frankly. I don't like playing against Derevi, either, but at least in terms of being a busted card she feels more like an actual, y'know, card, instead of just a passive effect.
>Goddamnit I hate getting into this discussion
Then why on Earth did you start it?
>>44338484
> I don't like playing against Derevi, either, but at least in terms of being a busted card she feels more like an actual, y'know, card, instead of just a passive effect.
But Derevi is by far the most oppressive and competitive of the three (no one complains about Jeleva or Marath). I don't mind Oloro as an archetype or a card. Like I said, philosophically I'm against uninteractive cards but pragmatically speaking there's really only two that abuse it in a way that actually matters.
>Then why on Earth did you start it?
Because everyone is stupid but me.
>>44338031
People say shit like this and it sounds nice
But I played with the 2015 commander precons out of the box, no spike staples, no combos, just five players using "piles of jank"
And you know what? It's the least fun I've ever had playing magic
Games took 2 hours because nobody could set up anything threatening enough to actually press their advantage, it was incredibly boring, drawing shit card after shit card, watching them get neutralized by less shit cards, hoping to draw my own less shit cards
Battlecruiser magic sucks dick. Every turn should be important, every spell cast should do something significant
>>44338528
That's because a 5 person game with the C15 precons inevitably devolves into the Meren and Ezuri players masturbating on the table, the Mizzix player going "Ha, got your nose!" when they steal a random spell/creature, Daxos faffing about doing nothing, and Kalemne getting eternally chump blocked.
>>44338655
>>44338655
Right yeah, it was awful
>>44338528
the 2015 commander decks were laughably underpowered though. they had piss poor win conditions and easily answered threats. let me tell you, ulamog is almost game over in standard EDH because there are like, 4 spells in standard that can reasonably answer him. go wide strategies are also pretty strong because standard has like, 3 board wipes. I've personally enjoyed it.
>>44331877
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=383154
Worldgorger Dragon to dodge boardwipes
>>44338386
Two things. One, there are a boatload of cards that stop people from gaining life besides Stigma lasher. Two, how are your games lasting twenty turns? My meta is durdles as fuck and we rarely go beyond 12, do none of you run win conditions?
what are some cards I should be running in a Hidetsugu deck? I've got lifelink, cards that double damage, glacial chasm, anything else i should be running that i might not know about??
i have a question
when does the creature equipped with ass suit return to its owner? or is it the case that once given away it can never return to you?
>>44338970
The effect ends at turn so technically it starts every turn on your side of the field
>>44338981
oh i see, it's the part that says 'until end of turn' that matters
thanks
>>44338970
Also works to prevent your general from getting sacced due to Grave Pact effects, if that's a worry.
>>44326797
New to commander, veteran of fapping to Narset. Why do people hate her in this format?
>>44339106
hexproof general is a start
The main bit is that one attack with her will basically win you the game
>>44339106
She's a hexproof general that tends to be built in such a way that if she swings once, the game is over. The typical Narset deck is full of haste, top-deck manipulation, extra combat phases, and extra turns. So she either goes off in a spectacular fashion, or gets neutered by the one guy who's able to counter/edict her off the board at instant speed.
>>44335729
>Zurgo Bellstriker
How do you make him fun?
>>44337679
Can you post your Damia list?
h e l p
>>44327012
I really like this idea. So much that I might make an Atogatog/Karona deck with nothing but the best sitting dudes.
>>44340174
ok i've cut it down to 125 but i still need to drop 26 more cards
i guess i can remove all my naturalize and turn against cards, right? but the more i remove the less options i have, and i'm still pushing myself to get down to 99 why is this so hard
>>44339115
>>44339126
Ah right. Might make an annoying Narset deck, thanks boys.
>>44339667
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/three-baneful-queens/
>>44326996
You posted the best one
>>44326666
Are there any actual good generals in Legends aside from Hazezon Tamar? They're all insanely expensive for like a 4/4 or something with a shitty ability
>>44337219
what about sorceries though
>>44337603
>exactly what you think it is
so newzuri is...shit?
>>44338031
>restrictions breed creativity. piles of unpredictable jank make interesting games
hey guys look i found the guy who made tiny leaders hahaha lam
>>44341270
Adun Oakenshield, Angus Mackenzie, Dakkon Blackblade, Gwendlyn Di Corci, Nicol Bolas, Rasputin Dreamweaver, Rubinia Soulsinger, Tetsuo Umezawa and Xira Arien. Some of them are pretty good, some are decent but outclassed.
>>44341361
Rasputin looks sweet. Is he decent with artifacts?
>>44341385
He's great in blink decks, but I could see him working with artifacts too.
>>44341326
Pls no bully
>>44333013
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/tsabo-tavoc-the-original-praetor/
I've been running this list for a while now. It's a control list that basically runs off what you COULD do rather than what you're actually doing. It's dumb. You may not have counterspells, but you have enough burn to invalidate most creatures, enough wheeling to disrupt longer-term plans, and enough hard discard to run your opponent out of resources. Tsabo is basically the big, expensive cherry on top. Scary enough to threaten, but not enough to paint a target like Kaervek. You may not land her often, but the nature of the deck means that when you do, your opponent's game plan must be reevaluated and adapt fast. Magic players are generally terrible at that. Also, players get so caught up in her tap ability that they forget that she has 7 power and thus kills in three hits. It's great if you want an unconventional control deck.
What do you guys think?
I didn't want it to be an average Phelddagrif deck, so I put in a win condition.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/phelddagrif-tmtmtm/
>>44326666
Why is the picture not of Zurgo
>>44326797
They all are tier 2 generals, they are fine. The only people who don't like them are poor fags and people who don't know how to build decks
>>44341556
Because Zurgo isn't terrible. Is he great? Not necessarily, but he's certainly not in the same tier as a 7CMC mana dork
>>44332746
That is very basic shit for edh. Would you be excited by me showing you Kraj
