Stat me, /tg/
>>44309729
No, knock it off.
>>44309729
I really don't want to.
No joke, I'm actually a little curious.
Since the OP is most likely memeing, I'll specify Pathfinder.
3rd worst FF
>>44309729
Can't at the moment. I'm away from home so I can't switch on my PS and load a save to check em.
>>44309857
Fighter/Sorcerer
15 STR
14 CON
17 DEX
11 INT
9 WIS
8 CHA
That sound about right?
>>44309954
Worst that I've played (out of a small number of them). What do you place lower?
>>44309954
More like 3rd best, ya faggot.
>>44310202
Rinoa, Yuna.
>>44310217
Sorry man, didn't like the new gameplay elements or the story, and good lord did I hate every character in the party.
>>44310168
About what level do you think the party gets access to magic/multiclasses into caster?
>>44310168
>9 WIS
>8 CHA
Yeah, that's actually pretty spot-on, especially that part. Curious how one would implement her gunblade, though.
>>44310274
3rd, 4th or 5th level, I imagine.
>>44310313
>Curious how one would implement her gunblade, though.
I forget if Pathfinder had firearms with melee attachments. Something like this?
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Gunblade_(3.5e_Equipment)
>>44310168
>9 Wis, 8 Cha
You are being far more generous than I would be...
>>44310273
>Your standard Final Fantasy game only has three girls in your party. Each one corresponds to either being "the Aerith" (the pleasant good girl main love interest), "the Tifa" (the dark, mature, or nuanced action girl), or "the Yuffie" (the hyperactive lolita). The line continues on respectively as Rinoa/Quistis/Selphie in VIII, Garnet/Freya/Eiko in IX, and Yuna/Lulu/Rikku in X, and Paine replacing Lulu as "the Tifa" in X-2. This was nearly-avoided completely in XII with none of the three female PCs being easily fit into those categories beyond their visual age. XIII reset it back a bit with Fang being the clear "Tifa" and Vanille being the "Yuffie" of the game, but Lightning truly breaks the mold as being nothing at all like her Aerith predecessors. This is the first time since VII that the role is taken up by an NPC in the form of Serah.
Points to Lightning for being different, but the Tifa is always the best girl.
>>44310612
Isn't 10 the baseline for stats? She's below-average definitely, but something like a 5 Wis makes you a desensitized wreck and 5 Cha is almost inhospitable to everything.
>>44310732
That sounds about right
>>44310681
Damn. I wonder how early that started. IV had Rosa and Rydia, but I don't remember a third girl. V only had Lenna and Krile. Terra, Celes, and Relm match up pretty well to those three archetypes, though.
>>44310732
She is a desensitized wreck who is inhospitable to everyone.
>>44309729
Destiny: Destiny
>>44310851
You left out Faris.
>>44309729
Franchise kill +10
>>44310202
8 and 12
>>44310921
Oh right... I'll admit I never actually got far in V.
>>44310983
A shame, you missed the reverse trap pirate captain.
>>44310961
I didn't like 8 that much, but I've got to say that XII is still my favorite. I'm not sure what I'm missing that makes everyone else I know revile the fuck out of it, but I fucking love playing XII.
>>44310921
>>44310983
Damn, I played FFV all the way through and I forgot her. To be fair, though, she passes really well.
>>44310961
XII was amazing. Did you mean to hit 2 and hit 1 as well?
>>44310681
>"the Aerith" (the pleasant good girl main love interest), "the Tifa" (the dark, mature, or nuanced action girl)
What in the fuck?
Did these people never play FFVII?
Tifa is a demure, reserved, quiet girl who endlessly crushes on her childhood friend while Aerith is a sly wicked girl from the slums.
It was Aerith who convinced Cloud to crossdress to sneak into a mob boss's sex dungeon, remember.
These descriptions are ridiculous.
>>44310681
>the Tifa is always best girl.
It's a shame that the original Tifa was the worst girl, because every other "Tifa" is great.
>>44311029
License system, abysmal drop rate/grind mandate, lazy ass late game boss design where procing instant death was the only way they could figure out how to add "challenge", the pov character was less inspiring than most of the rest of the cast.
>>44311118
To be fair, people also think that Cloud is an emo whiny boy, when in the game he's just the stereotypical mercenary archetype out for cash that /tg/ typically loves in rpgs.
>>44311019
my interest. it has been piqued.
>>44311118
Good point. Dammit, now I miss her even more...
>>44311122
Paine is legitimately my favorite Final Fantasy PC girl. I can't help it.
>>44311122
Wasn't Tifa shown to be unrepentently selfish and knowingly lied to Cloud just to keep him in the dark about stuff?
>>44309729
Shit game. 0/10
>>44311148
I thought he was a bit edgelordish at first, then it turns out he's just damaged goods.
>>44311148
This shit pisses me off to no end. The only time Cloud gets close to depressed emo is after he falls into the lifestream, and that's more him being in a fucking catatonic state then being SAAAAAAD.
"Enjoys running down hallways."
>>44311165
Basically, yes. She was afraid he would just "leave again", even though their childhood friendship was her ignoring the fuck out of him whenever other kids were around.
Her only vested interest in the story is following Cloud around because reasons.
>>44311165
No, that is extremely incorrect.
Rather, she didn't contradict Cloud when he spouted off his revisionist history because she didn't have the nerve to contradict him.
She does nothing selfish, but she does cause some minor problems by inaction as she is very submissive. (and shy when it comes to Cloud)
>>44311057
Never played. I've heard no good things about it
>>44310681
>Breaks the mold
>makes a terrible character
If you are not going to do a good job, then don't mess with what works.
>>44311155
Faris was the older of two sisters and royalty, except she didn't want to be a pretty pretty princess so she left and became a pirate.
She pacted with a sea monster to let her ship move against the wind/current and it later becomes a summonable monster.
>>44311282
A piece with her sister.
>>44311249
>>44311260
So which is it? Knowing misinformation, or nervousness causing silence?
>>44311275
For what little of XIII I played before giving up, Lightning was actually my favorite part of it. Pretentious as fuck, but so much more bearable than everyone else in the party. Even Sazh soured on me after a few hours. I had high hopes for... Hope but I couldn't fucking stand any scene with Vanille in it. Good god. Never actually spent enough time with Fang as a PC. How is she overall?
>>44311246
He does get a little depressed after Sephiroth mindfucks him and denies his history (deliberately gaslighting him out of spite), but that's a pretty valid reason to get upset and Tifa helps work him through that shortly thereafter.
>>44309750
>>44309755
why
>>44309857
what makes you think it's a meme
>>44309954
shit tier bait, 2/10
>>44310168
>15 STR
don't embarass yourself please
>>44310008
haha what a funny joke
>>44310217
objectively correct 10/10
>>44310274
>didn't like the new gameplay elements
if you hate change, why do you even buy new games
>>44310681
jesus christ what a stupid fucking post -1/10
>>44310921
>>44311019
literally a garbage character
>>44310983
it's the worst FF
>>44311029
>>44311057
>12
>even remotely okay
delete your windows32 folder
>>44311148
Cloud is the best
>>44311246
He got depressed when aerith got stabbed which is understandable, but that's all that fans remember.
>>44311312
And the CGI work from the remakes.
Basically, she starts as sorta a cold aloof Merc type, but when the shit and the fan meet, she busts out to help her little sis.
FF5 didn't really have much character development especially compared to 4 or 6 so there's not a lot more to her other than when the two male heroes first met her, they had a I have weirdest boner moment.
>>44311332
Deliberate inaction.
>>44311357
Hi /v/, how's the internet hate machine today?
>>44311357
>if you hate change
I don't hate change, bro, I just didn't like that one in that particular instance. It was like they took the worst elements of random battles with the worst elements of overworld MMO combat from X and XII respectively and just slammed them together in a weird imitation of theTales combat system.
You don't need to troll btw. I think deep down you're not so bad a person.
>>44311357
>hating on FFV and FFXII
>praising XIII
I'm sorry, Anonymous. You have a terminally ill case of shit taste.
>>44311343
In my opinion Fang and Sazh are the better ones when it comes to personality.
Fang is kinda badassy that does whatever the fuck she wants, she's pretty much Lightning without being a whiny I guess.
I could relate with Sazh because he sounded the most reasonable out of everyone in the party.
I can say what they are like in the late game because I got fed up when I got to Pulse.
>>44311282
>>44311312
>>44311376
Cool beans
>>44311357
>>44311458
>I can say
can't say*.
>>44311332
It might be a matter of personal interpretation for the motives, in that case. It's not spelled out. I would lean strongly towards the latter.
>>44311458
Sheesh, anyone here actually play through XIII to the end?
>>44312005
I have played every Final Fantasy game to storyline completion. (Only up to 3.0 on XIV though, sadly I dropped it by 3.1.)
Honestly, I don't share much of the problems people seem to have with XIII. I found the paradigm system to be fast and furious once the game got underway, though I certainly think XIII-2 pulled it off better.
Size/Type: Large Magical Beast
Hit Dice: 5d10+25 (52 hp)
Initiative: +1
Speed: 30 ft. (6 squares)
Armor Class: 15 (-1 size, +1 Dex, +5 natural), touch 10, flat-footed 14
Base Attack/Grapple: +5/+14
Attack: Claw +9 melee (1d6+5)
Full Attack: 2 claws +9 melee (1d6+5) and bite +4 melee (1d8+2)
Space/Reach: 10 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Improved grab
Special Qualities: Scent
Saves: Fort +9, Ref +5, Will +2
Abilities: Str 21, Dex 12, Con 21, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 10
Skills: Listen +8, Spot +8
Feats: Alertness, Track
Environment: Temperate forests
Organization: Solitary, pair, or pack (3-8)
Challenge Rating: 4
Treasure: None
Alignment: Always neutral
Advancement: 6-8 HD (Large); 9-15 HD (Huge)
Level Adjustment: —
>>44312104
You sir, are a trooper.Now admit Tales games have always been better. On your knees like the Squaresoft dog that you are.
>>44312166
Can't say so on the whole. I'm an unremittant fanboy.
I think Vesperia got up to FF quality though!
But ones like Legendia and Abyss just weren't that level of quality.
>>44312284
It's cool man, I'm just jechting you.
>>44310681
So my question is, has FF had the same kind of recycling character types for their male PCs? I mean, there have been more than 3 dudes in a lot of FF games, so I don't think it matches up so well.
Also XII only feels different because they focused so intently on making the cast match up to Star Wars characters. Vaan and Penelo were Artoo and Threepio, Balthier was Han, Ashe was Leia, Basch was Obi-Wan, and Fran was Chewie. Everyone took turns being Luke depending on who the plot was focused on at the time. The Judges were each different aspects of Vader over the whole original trilogy. No one really got to be Palpatine, though. Venat was too much of a bro.
>>44311357
>Dislikes V and XII
>Praises XIII
Your poor taste is causing me actual, physical pain
Please make it stop
>>44311148
Advent Children didn't help one fucking bit.
Fuck that movie.
>>44312527
No, and the vague "recycling" mentioned in that post is barely accurate (and in the first place, inverted) to begin with.
It's a rudimentary simplification to character archetypes as "introvert", "extrovert", and "extrovert I don't like".
How is Eiko hyperactive? How is Rinoa a pleasant good girl? How is Tifa dark or mature? How does a pattern that only apparently works for four games create a standard?
>>44312104
I enjoy that this fanart depicts Vaan as a side characterbecause that's exactly what he fucking is.Why why why couldn't they just leave Basche as the protagonist
>>44312624
At the very least, he and the kid he felt responsible for were dying of magicancer. Being depressed over that isn't that unexpected.
>>44312658
not getting involved in that, but I hate the token loli in every game. No clue who Eiko is, though. Never used Yuffie if I could help it, couldn't get into Selphie at all, didn't mind Rikku at first but boy did she grate on me fast and over two games. Penelo was meh, and holy shit Vanille you make me hate Japan every time I look at you.
>>44312702
Hey, it worked fine for Moby Dick.
>>44312527
>Also XII only feels different because they focused so intently on making the cast match up to Star Wars characters
Well, that's an interpretation I've never heard before.
Kind of eerie.
>>44312702
There's nothing really wrong with the Ishmael archetype. He was just along for the ride, giving observations as more important people shaped the story.
>>44312790
You know you love it
>favorite FF game?
>favorite playable dude?
>favorite playable chick?
>favorite antagonist?
>favorite boss?
>favorite NPC?
>favorite setting or world?
>favorite individual level?
>favorite summon and/or monster?
>favorite weapon?
>Have you ever based something in your games on something from the Final Fantasy Franchise? How'd that go?
>>44312787
>>44312794
But Vaan just grates after a while, and I guess if he was just along for the ride it'd be easier to deal with, but the game tries way too hard to make it about him and it detracts from what would have been a fantastic story and turns it into a merely great one.
Say what you will about the gameplay, XII probably had the best plot of any FF, and the characters were more nuanced and interesting than many games in the series.
Also, Ivalice a best. No other FF setting even comes close in terms of depth, mystique and scope.
>>44312527
>>44312790
Sky Fortress Bahamut basically is the Death Star too.
>>44312865
>game
XII
>playable dude
Auron
>playable chick
Paine
>antagonist
Venat and Vayne
>boss
Gilgamesh
>NPC
Jecht
>setting or world
Can't decide between Spira and Ivalice
>individual level
I still really loved Ultimecia's fucked up interdimensional hell in VIII.
>summon and/or monster
Shiva
>weapon
BLITZBALL!
>use in my own games
I tried to do a name-switch Black Magic/White Magic system once, but the session collapsed for other reasons and I never revisited it.
>>44312865
>XII
>Ramza
>Terra
>Gabranth
>Gilgamesh
>Delita
>Ivalice
>Necrohol of Nabudis
>Yojimbo
>Buster Sword
>Materia system. Campaign ongoing, results as yet inconclusive.
>>44312865
>favorite FF game?
VIII
>favorite playable dude?
Squall
>favorite playable chick?
Lightning
>favorite antagonist?
Chaos
>favorite boss?
Ultros
>favorite NPC?
Serah
>favorite setting or world?
Spira
>favorite individual level?
Not sure
>favorite summon and/or monster?
Odin
>favorite weapon?
Gunblade
>Have you ever based something in your games on something from the Final Fantasy Franchise? How'd that go?
I once ran a weeb action game where everyone was encouraged to make their characters as bishie as possible.
>>44312865
>VI or VII
>Typically Dragoons like Kain, varies depending on game
>Terra for VI, Tifa for VII, etc
>Maybe Kefka for theme songs, unsure
>Omega or Shinryu
>Gilgamesh
>I prefer the ones with a balance between magic & technology i.e. VI or VII's Planet
>Not really sure
>Bahamut or Knights of the Round
>Excalibur
>>44311357
>favorite FF game?
5 or 7. 3 and 6 are very good as well
>favorite playable dude?
Vincent
>favorite playable chick?
Aeris. always
>favorite antagonist?
X-Death or Sephiroth
Kefka, Seifer, Kuja, and Seymour are all faggots and pretty terribly made characters. Kefka's kinda funny because he's so retarded. HATE HATE HATE
>favorite boss?
Toss up between Neo-XDeath, the various weapons, Final Kefka, Final Battle from FF1.
I enjoy the music more than the battles usually because they are the best songs in the games.
>favorite NPC?
Gilgamesh or the Turks
>favorite setting or world?
3, 5 and 7 have the best worlds
>favorite individual level?
I really like the final dungeons in 3,4,5 and 7
>favorite summon and/or monster?
Gilgamesh from 5, Leviathan and Bahamut Zero from 7, Eden from 8. I like Moogles, Cactuars, Tonberries, Marlboros, and Behemoths
>favorite weapon?
Ragnarok form 7
>>44312865
>>favorite FF game?
X
>>favorite playable dude?
Kain Highwind or Zack Fair
>>favorite playable chick?
Fang
>>favorite antagonist?
Jecht, I guess? I don't really like most FF antagonists, since they boil down to varying flavours of "destroy the world because i feel like it"
>>favorite boss?
Final Aeon
>>favorite NPC?
Jesse
>>favorite setting or world?
Spira
>>favorite individual level?
Keyblade Graveyard
>>favorite summon and/or monster?
Gilgamesh
>>favorite weapon?
Kain's Lance
>>Have you ever based something in your games on something from the Final Fantasy Franchise?
I ran a dieselpunk game loosely based on pre-crisis ff7. Everyone had a lot of fun, even if our SOLDIER player was functionally retarded.
Is it worth emulating FFXII international edition?
>>44315375
How is it different from the national edition?
>>44312865
>Tactics
>Ramza
>Terra
>Delita
>Gilgamesh
>Gilgamesh again cuz fuck it XIV really made me like him
>Ivalice
>Dunno on favorite level/dungeon
>Alexander
>Save the Queen
>I can say i've based charaters off of meshes of various characters which included FF characters. Went alright since I only used them for inspiration.
>>44315414
Adds classes to the game that can make every character feel distinct since once you pick a class for them, that's it. Tons of other changes.
>>44315375
Absolutely.
>>44315414
Character progression is made into an absolute joy. Everyone was kinda same-y in XII core. IZJS means you assign a job to a character, locking them in to a dedicated role. It's very fun.
Also you get a fast forward feature to zip through towns with to ease the game's flow.
I recommend having a black mage and a white mage, but the other four can be whatever you like. There's 12 jobs but only 6 characters, so you can get some odd combos.
>>44310961
12 is actually one of the best, and the Ivalice Alliance games are better than most of the rest of FF.
>>44315689
Opinions, mate. A lot of people just don't like it for some reason. I fucking love it. Favorite game of the series.
>>44309729
360,493 kph, 5,000 to 50,000 amperes, 4,500 - 5,500 volts per meter.
>>44315774
FFXII (and probably FFT too) is the Final Fantasy for people who don't like Final Fantasy games
I wish it was just made into its own game instead of being an FF. Remove Vaan and Penelo and add actual relevant characters, make Basch or Ashe the main character; with the IZJS it would be a 9.5/10.
>>44315884
This
Imo X was the last real FF and even it suffered from trying to appeal to to many people instead of FF fans
3D gaming and the popularity of FF7 in america put such high expectations on the franchise that they had to raise its mass appeal and 8, 10 and all the later ones suffer because they look like anime characters, and everything is stylized and and fancy instead of gritty and real like 6 and 7
>>44312005
You mean suffered through till the end. Yes. I don't recommend it.
Gameplay/customization:
III, V, FF:T, VIII, X-2, XII, XIII-2, LR, Type-0
Characters/Setting/Story:
FF:T, FF:TA, VI, VII, IX, XII
To be honest, almost all the FFs have at least alright gameplay, excellent soundtrack and shit story. I'd say XIII-2 and LR fit in more than adequately, with XIII-1 sadly being one of the lowest points of FF.
>>44309729
Stating her under the assumption of it being a 5th edition D&D game.
Variant Human Eldritch Knight Fighter 15 (Soldier background)
14 STR (started at 10 STR)
14 CON (started at 14 CON)
20 DEX (started at 16 DEX)
14 INT (started at 14 INT)
9 WIS (started at 9 WIS)
9 CHA (started at 9 CHA)
Free feat: Weapon Training - Exotic (Gunblade)
Spells Known: 10
Cantrips Known: 3
Cantrips: Message, Shocking Grasp, Booming Blade
1st Level Spells: Shield, Chromatic Orb, Jump (8th level free spell), Thunderwave
2nd Level Spells: Arcane Lock, Suggestion
3rd Level Spells: Haste (14th level free spell), Nondetection, Fireball, Lightning Bolt
Skills: Athletics, Intimidation, Perception, Survival
4th level ASI: +2 DEX
6th level ASI: +2 DEX
8th level ASI: +2 STR
12th level ASI: +2 STR
14th level ASI: Lucky
>>44315796
It took me a moment, then I got it.
>>44310217
>>44311357
FF XIII has one of the worst group of protagonists I've ever seen -- they're so fucking stupid that they do *exactly* what the villain has repeatedly told them he wants them to do and help him DOOM ALL LIFE (for completely nonsensical reasons that are never actually explained to the player), but it all works out because of the Deus Ex Machina of Friendship. Which only works for them because fuck you we don't understand how to write a story.
Lightning spends a chunk of the game willing to kill innocent people to save her own skin, Fang is a literal fucking pedophile, Vannile is the most insufferable thing ever, Snow is duller than a bag of hammers, Hope's a whiny shit and Zasz threatens a child with a gun.
In addition, the entire game is just a single long-fucking corridor with nothing interesting going on driven by a story that makes no sense and is largely not actually told to the players but hidden in datalogs for no reason, and relies on a combat system that requires virtually no player input whatsoever.
And to top this turd sundae off the entire plot shits itself to death the *instant* Barthandalus speaks because the previous ~20 hours of aimless and goal-less meandering happened because the Fal'Cie aren't supposed to be able to communicate well with humans -- AND YET BARTHANDALUS DOES. It's seriously a major contender for the worst written piece of fiction I've ever seen in my entire life. And you think it's . . . good? Are you trolling or just severely brain-damaged?
>>44316979
Huh. I thought Spoony was exaggerating throughout that one. That's awful if the game really was like that. The fuck, Squeenix. You used to be decent at this before you grew that Enix-sized tumor.
>>44317259
He exaggerates a lot.
He wasn't with FF13
>>44311343
Lightning falls apart midgame when she starts seriously considering genocide despite having little to no reason to do so. Plus she doesn't really get a character arc at all (they try to set up a "learns to have friends" thing, but shoot themselves in the foot by not having it go anywhere) - the plot gets resolved when the other girls do magic things that they apparently could have done all along.
>>44317394
>>44317351
>>44316979
Just sounds awful.
>>44312104
What bugged me *most* about XIII was the paradigm system. Every fight ultimately boiled down to "commando until broken, ravager until not broken, medic as necessary." Played through the whole game and I don't think I needed to engage my frontal cortex one goddamn time.
>>44317452
That more has an issue with how the auto command is almost always the best command to use in the game, and your real input is switching paradigms and using items.The game is stingy with money and items for the first 75% of the game anyway...
Synergist and Saboteur were actually pretty effective if you used them since only one debuff can't affect most bosses, and sentinel has great use in the telegraphed heavy damage moves.
But overall, yeah the game sucks with how Autobattle is the best option to do 9 times out of 10.
>>44312865
>favorite FF game?
Hands down, FF Tactics. If I have to choose from the main series, IX.
>favorite playable dude?
In terms of their character, Cyan. Just mechanically, Ramza, once I turned him into a blade-grasping one-punch-man who yelled at himself constantly.
>favorite playable chick?
That brief bit in IX where you get to use Beatrix in combat. If she doesn't count, then Freya.
>favorite antagonist?
If he counts, Delita. If not, then call me cliche, but Kefka.
>favorite boss?
Pretty much any of them from X. That game had some slick boss fights.
>favorite NPC?
I really like the concept of Planet in VII. For a normal NPC, I'd go with VI Cid.
>favorite setting or world?
I really like the feel of IX's world.
>favorite individual level?
Ancient Library from V. But I'm a sucker for haunted libraries.
>favorite summon and/or monster?
Red Chocobo in Tactics. Totally counts.
>favorite weapon?
Any fisticuffs, honestly.
>Have you ever based something in your games on something from the Final Fantasy Franchise? How'd that go?
Airships airships airships. IX was a fantastic inspiration for them.
>>44316979
>>44317259
Alternate retelling:
It's a story about a bunch of protagonists thoroughly screwed out of their lives, their hopes, and their dreams, and constantly hounded by the only people who could possibly help them. Even when they start to recover and try to make moves forward, they find out they're trapped in a massive conspiracy involving the very gods of their setting to commit mass genocide.
Lightning is the only party member who needs little coddling or help, managing to stand up from being branded anathema to the universe and immediately start setting goals. Hope is 14 and just watches his family get gunned down and otherwise murdered for the sake of 'peace,' intending to get revenge but eventually moving on emotionally.
Snow is a terrorist with a hero complex, thinking he's fighting against a terrible system - And while he's right about the system, he has to realize that being a hero is harder and takes more than mindless violence. Sazh is a single father who's driven to suicide when his family is taken away - Worse then death, his son is threatened with the same celestial slavery that he was cursed with, but for a different, even more unpleasant god who then decides to do it anyways for the luls.
Fang and Vanille are actually the last remnants of a civilization wiped out a century ago because they're the embodiment of the last apocalypse that tried to destroy all humanity - But they failed, so they were kept for use later on. Vanille spends the game trying to run away from her past where she turned into a demon and killed thousands of people, and Fang spends the game trying to reunite with the only person in the world who she gives a damn about.
None of the characters can do a goddamned thing about their fate, especially when they find out that their malevolent masters can just make more pawns and try again, even if they try to run away.
Then the Hand of God fixes everything in the end because Square is a bunch of hacks.
>>44317630
I've still never gotten around to playing IX. How is it?
>>44317684
Oh, there are definitely some great details in the plot, but the over all structure (and what ends up happening to get them from point A to point B) is really fucking stupid at times.
Shit, at least in FF8 they use an excuse of "We'll allow and even help the big bad sorceress from the future to compress all of time and space SO WE CAN PUNCH HER FACE IN and then revert time to normal by doing so."
FF13 didn't even have that.
>>44312865
>favorite FF game?
Gotta be Tactics, for a whole host of reasons, with IX as my favorite from the main series. The ultra mega chibi weaboo art style doesn't matter when the writing's that damn good.
>favorite playable dude?
Goin' with Locke. Best treasure hunter there ever was.
>favorite playable chick?
Tifa. You only play as her for a short period, but all the other girls that could fit this category suck, so...
>favorite antagonist?
You, with a woman? You can't even catch a ball!
>favorite boss?
Titan EX from FFXIV. Nothing gets me pumped like butt rock, and that huge-ass rock is damn fun to fight (assuming you have a good ping).
>favorite NPC?
Beatrix babyyyyyyyy. She kicks your ass twice (three times?), and you never get revengeance, leaving her undefeated forever. Plus she's got this whole Paladin Bodyguard vibe that I love.
>favorite setting or world?
Ivalice. FFT's version, with the lost generation and the oppressive mega church.
>favorite individual level?
Motorcycle fight in FF7.
>favorite summon and/or monster?
Knights of the round. Then again, maybe getting it was such a pain in the ass that I have to justify the effort by loving it. I'll never forget the hour I spent save scumming to get a green chocobo, or the satisfaction of casting KotR for the first time and watching KING MOTHERFUCKING ARTHUR wreck house.
>favorite weapon?
Lance, as used by Dragoons, because Dragoons are the best Final Fantasy archetype.
>Have you ever based something in your games on something from the Final Fantasy Franchise? How'd that go?
The BBEG's right hand man was a Dragoon (because see above), and his boss fight was him leaping 10,000 feet into the air and plunging into the party before leaping again, hit-and-run style. They beat him by throwing down a web spell and standing in the middle of it, fucking up his ability to jump out, and grappling/gang stabbing him to death.
>>44317848
They really want it to look like they've decided to pull an FF8, but it's really hard to look cool doing that when that is literally what the bad guy wants from you. It's hard to make a simple, effective plan based around breaking in and NOT killing the bad guy.
In Square's defense that's a really damn hard plot to do, but then they have to write their way out of it. And as evidenced recently, they can't really write their way out of a paper bag.
At least XIII-2 was a blast to play and Lightning Returns is a lot of fun if you skip all the long, boring monologue cutscenes that re-iterate information we already know.
In lieu of my FF folder being eaten recently, have an agrias.
>>44317696
First two discs are a great retreading of the more classic oriented Final Fantasy games.
Discs 3 and 4 shit the bed by trying to steal VII's thunder, and just generally going batshit.
>>44317696
>Gameplay
So you know how in other Final Fantasies, it doesn't really matter who is in your party as long as you have the materia/job abilities/junction magic/licenses? FORGET THAT SHIT! Every character has a distinct set of abilities, and which characters are in your party changes frequently for story reasons, so you better be familiar with who does what and when or your going to be having trouble. It isn't best to blindly equip the best swords and armor you can afford since the abilities you have access to are tied to your equipment, and the crafting system - while a simple Item A + Item B + Gil = Item C affair - offers a lot to discover as well.
>Story
What starts as a pretty grounded tale of medieval intrigue escalates. I won't say how, but it's pretty good. The characters are likable enough though you may find some of them annoying (I'm sure the lack of voice acting is a blessing to this game in that regard). They're all proactive in the plot and have their own character arcs, never simply following the protagonist around because reasons. The overall tone is among the most upbeat and adventurous in the series.
>Visuals
This is what turns most people off from this game, and all I can say is that you'll either love it or hate it.
>Optional Content
A metric ton of the stuff. Not FFXII levels of it, mind you, but a lot of places to explore and things to discover and at least one uber boss that you can lose to. There are even a couple segments of the game that play out differently based on your choices earlier on - it doesn't effect the overall story, but it adds some "save before you walk into this area and try it a couple different ways" replayability.
>Time
Reasonably fast, despite the four discs - most of that space is taken up by the pre-rendered cut-scenes. The ATB in random battles moves at a decent clip, and against weaker enemies you can set your spells for AOE to end the battle fast.
people are still bitching about ff xiii? why? i never got what was so bad about it...
>>44317684
yeah but real talk tho Square already had a plot/story about fucked up protags taht was infinitely better than this. FF13 has nothing on a child soldier killing mass murderer, a psychotic dragon, a pedophile priest, a baby eating cannibal, and a bald asshole.
>>44310168
>That sound about right?
Isn't that like EVERY FINAL FANTASY CHARACTER EVER?
>>44310202
10-2 and 13-2
>>44318552
The hell was wrong with XIII-2? It was an amazing improvement over XIII.
>>44317684
>>44316979
What really irks me about FF13 from a storytelling perspective is that they could have explained things a bit better or had the characters reason things out a bit sooner.
Lightning's only goal was to save Serah after she got hit with the fal'Cie brand, and when she got branded she almost immediately spent the rest of her time trying to figure out how to get un-branded and save her younger sister. She is a soldier through and through and doesn't put up with anyone's bullshit.
Hope is a 14 year old who was in the wrong place at the wrong time and is struggling/failing to deal with all these new powers and watching his family get ripped away from him.
Snow got branded cause he was with Serah, and he knows that the system is flawed. But he's got a hero complex and thinks that if he just induces chaos and anarchy that the rest of the populace will wake up and realize what's going on.
Zasz is a father trying to reunite with his son after they got branded and is willing to do some pretty evil things in order to do that. Don't really know why he's got a baby chocobo in his hair though.
Fang and Vanille were people that were supposed to destroy Cocoon a century ago but didn't, and got re-awakened to try and do it again this time around. Fang just wants to protect/fuck Vanille, while the other just wants to live a normal life.
If they didn't spend ~20 hours of keeping the protags separated from one another until they all got to Pulse (like if they all joined up after the major fight at Hope's home as I believe that is the only time all 6 meet up before Pulse) and tried to figure out how to use their new powers to stop/destroy the fal'Cie before being turned into monsters, I feel it would have made for a better plot.
I also think there should have been more exploration of Cocoon and not just sticking us on a railroad until we got to Pulse. 13 had potential, but Squeenix can't seem to write a decent story since the PS2 era.
>>44319206
>Squeenix can't seem to write a decent story since the PS2 era.
>>44319308
That was Cavia, not Square.
>>44317991
The endgame being nonsensical is a final fantasy trope, you must admit. Time compression my ass.
>>44309729
Literally flawless specimen of female perfection/10
>>44314234
>unironically liking the Turks
reminder that they are black ops corporate terrorists responsible for numerous cases of murder, kidnapping and actually destroyed a whole section of Midgar.
>>44319807
I'm sure he doesn't like them for being nice people.
>>44318468
>'I couldn't believe that after building up these characters as essential psychotic wastes of space, that they still managed to make me care about them and their fates at the end of it all'
Pretty much sums up the Drakengard series.
>>44309729
Completely and utterly over-rated.
She is not a compelling or interesting character. She is the result of somebody trying to make a female cloud and failing.
Why are there three waste-of-time games devoted to this cardboard cutout and her hack world?
Da bes
>>44312104
Literally same. I don't get why people hate it SO MUCH.
The only thing I dislike is that it felt like the combat should've been more real-time like it is in XV.
Adding Choco to thread
>>44324187
False
>>44319206
>Don't really know why he's got a baby chocobo in his hair though.
It was a gift for his son. He bought it on the day the poor boy got branded, and then kept it.
>>44324354
Holy shit.
