>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V6.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
So FW says that the Red Scorpions are getting another book next year.
Maybe they'll show up in IA14 or it'll be another second edition.
>>44303034
This is a Farsight thread now. Orks begone.
>>44303091
Seconding this for crisis troops with Preferred Enemy Orks in melee.
>>44303119
>throwing crisis suits into melee
This meme has got to stop
>>44303129
Commanders with Fusion Swords are actually pretty good.
>>44303091
I know your secret not-Char, and it's not about how you compensate with that sword.
>>44303129
S5, multiple attacks
It's worthwhile against shit units you've already shot up.
![39760_2127323d25bffac86beb27c4237f04cb[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/xlnM0jV.png "39760_2127323d25bffac86beb27c4237f04cb[1].png")
>>44303091
THIS THREAD WOULD"VE BELONG TO THE ORKS IF WORK Didn't MAKE ME GO TO LUNCH!
![02e8f722d041943b4afe631b1d89931a[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SBfNwjV.jpg "02e8f722d041943b4afe631b1d89931a[1].jpg")
>>44303119
haha please do, I'm always down for a good laugh.
Thinking back, I blame this witchcraft on the Laughing God but I still say Kayleth is a hoarder.
>>44303129
Quiet you heretic! The more Tau are going into combat means the less they're shooting, which is a good thing.
>>44303091
NEVAR FORGETTI DA WAR OF DAKKA YA GIT
WAAAAAGGH!
>>44303199
With a Shas'vre you have 7 attacks base and 10 on the charge.
![5b21bd7f3b2b5212b0dfe8bd44364d89[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2tnnGyU.jpg "5b21bd7f3b2b5212b0dfe8bd44364d89[1].jpg")
>>44303262
come at me bro, cause we're coming at you.
>>44303245
Just find something to prevent them from shooting or makes them feel guilt at shooting.
A: Throw a big mean ugly daemon engine or Kharn or Abby in the middle of them. They'll be busy trying to find a good shot while you murder their friends while using the ones that haven't died as cover. If they kill you with a riptide, they'll kill their friends and live with the guilt.
>>44303262
Right, but it's like charging in with basic marines. You usually only do it when you're sure it'll finish a unit off.
Do Tau have music? I always wondered about that.
>>44303077
![1450283395405[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/bQ3pA4Q.png "1450283395405[1].png")
>>44303399
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qwpK3BN0PE
>>44303432
>mfw
I don't think I can find a more suitable reaction image. I will now associate Tau with this video and song.
![1450369382937[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/ZO3B7X7.png "1450369382937[1].png")
>>44303494
>>44303399
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j4t185wl-0
>>44303508
Now that I think about it, your picture works too but so does this.
>>44303513
>mfw
Ork fans, why are you making me associate these videos and songs with the tau now and forever?
>>44303539
Because Tau are gay.
What's not to understand?
Da brain boyz found it out, hur hur
![The-Tau-in-Close-Combat-by-wibblethefish[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jybLpcl.jpg "The-Tau-in-Close-Combat-by-wibblethefish[1].jpg")
>>44303539
Everyone knows that tau is gayand that's okits ok to be gay
>>44303562
>Because Tau are gay.
>What's not to understand?
Good point. This is what Shadowsun has to listen to on her downtime.
![1450281995402[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/CsX66bl.png "1450281995402[1].png")
>>44303216
>>44303232
>>44303256
>>44303295
>>44303432
>>44303508
>>44303513
>>44303562
>>44303597
>mfw this thread is now an ork thread
>>44303597
I thank you for giving me an idea of what tau listen to though.
>>44303636
>Blood Axe warboss
>>44303636
>I2
But then it'll die before anyone can post
>>44303684
>>44303636
I don't know who's worse, the Ork bandwagoners with their shitty art and no knowledge of the lore or the i2 fags.
>>44303736
did someone say band wagon?
Is it a bad idea to combine different melee weapons in, say, a terminator squad? I'm thinking of mixing in axes and lightning claws.
![1449698144448[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/33JlruM.gif "1449698144448[1].gif")
>>44303736
>lore
We go forward and hit things. And if its still there after we hit it the first time. We hit it again.
Quick question, the CSM Codex says the Warp Talons get 2 attacks with the champ and 1 with the regulars. If I have two lightning claws on my Warp Talons, how many attacks do I get for each?
>>44303795
2 for the regular, 3 for the champ.
![orks___brawl___coloured2_by_taytonclait[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NttFXsu.jpg "orks___brawl___coloured2_by_taytonclait[1].jpg")
>>44303776
It'z a zoggin buetee dat iz
>>44303779
Nope.
It's quite useful as you can both hit at I and punch through armour.
Though it's of course far better with power-fists and LC's since Fists>Axes
Are there any forgeworld models that help orks deal with Leman Russ' at range? Also how scummy is it to use the dread mob Stompa HQ at the reduced cost, I don't want to destroy people, just want to survive past turn 1
>>44303831
>taytonclait
Aha, the shitter has a name, great now I can filter his green vomit on paper.
>>44303863
Fucking do it
Orks at their absolute cheesiest are still below actual good armies
![Buzzgob[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WW3nXfJ.jpg "Buzzgob[1].jpg")
>>44303863
Buzzgob. We're Orks, we already get crapped on. Use what little we have and prosper. Also, don't choose to play against super cheesy armies.
>9 riptide tau
>1234 bajillon wraith knights
>necrons ever
Buy it, paint it, play it. No one can say anything to you after that.
>>44303736
>Implying ork lore is hard to follow and requires a lot of time to learn
Guy goes to krump stuff
Option 1, he loses, will try again/get his revenge
Option 2, enemy underestimates him and they win like crazy, get stronger.
Then theres types of boyz, yoofs, grots, snotling, squids, etc and how they function and roles in society, weapons of murder, ork psychic talent they arent aware of, named characters and thats really it.
>>44303684
![img0898copy9rs[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RlzikVN.jpg "img0898copy9rs[1].jpg")
>>44303929
If there's an ability or special rule that forces you to take snapeshots, does it means no flamers except in over watch?
>>44304027
Yes
>>44303863
Lifta Droppa ignores AV, but is restricted by ork BS.
Zzap kannon has a d3 shot cousin but it's just as unreliable.
Smasha gun is more reliable but it still struggles to get to Av 14.
Blitza booma is technicly ranged, even thoug it has to move over the enemy to deliver it's payload.
There's also the Kill Blasta and Kill Bursta tanks, first fires s10 ap 2 shots.
The other can launch sD ap2 7" large pies, big enough to hit most of a LR squad, though the tank cost about as much as a squad of them too...
>>44303929
You know what is meant, the whole "orks r mityest army cyz they kan just belive their shootas fire S:D apocaslyptik blasts lul"
>>44304027
No flamers at all because keywords are easier than logic.
>>44304027
>Snapeshots
>S3 AP5 Assault 10 points from Griffindor
>>44304027
And also blasts, that formation should be a normal formation
>>44304027
What's so difficult about using artillery, even blindly, vs giant mass of Tyranids?
>>44304117
>harry potter anymore
>>44304215
panic
that's why it only works for the first few turns
>>44303779
Not at all, it's actually pretty useful, and gives your squad some melee versatility.
I run either Power Mauls/Combi-Flamers, Combi-Flamers/LC, or Combi-Melta/Chainfist.
For the record, ALWAYS take Lightning Claws over Power Swords if you're going to go that route. You lose nothing by taking it and gain Shred.
Power Mauls when facing Guard are fucking murderous.
Power Axes are kind of a waste if you're running Slaaneshi terminators, as are Fists/Chainfists, but they can still be useful.
Never underestimate the strength of a Reaper Autocannon in the right place, and Heavy Flamers mix really well with Combi-Flamers.
>>44304117
>10 points from Griffindor
That's bullshit professor Snape.
>>44303077
They just released a vanguard veteran resin kit for them so I wouldn't put it past them.
FUCK YOUR PET CHAPTER FW RELEASE MORE BADAB CHAPTER MATERIAL
MORE STAR PHANTOMS
MORE CARCHARODONS
MORE EXECUTIONERS
MORE MANTIS WARRIORS
MORE ASTRAL CLAWS
No more Minotaurs though fuck those guys.
>>44303034
Why does no one here like talking about Killteam or Killteam: HoR?
>>44304291
ONE MILLION POINTS FROM GRIFFINDOR
>>44304323
I know space sharks and astral claws at least got a character but i doubt they'll touch the others.
>>44304350
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT POTTER?
>>44303429
Corax then. Excuse me for taking a shot in the dark.
>>44304323
>>44304377
Shutup before I cast Niggimus Maximus on all of you just like I did on that mudblood girl.
>>44304314
The few times I have seen it played it is against some poor unsuspecting new person who doesnt have a proper army against someone who went online and figured out the cheesiest cheese to cheese.
>>44304420
It has to be Corax.
>dying marine on base means primarch
>only primarch with wings like that is corax
>we know corax was due a long time ago but they were stuck on the wings
>we know corax is ready ever since the last FW event and was going to be released soon
Not as hyped as I thought I'd be, his wings look lame.
>>44304218
Nice, always had a thing for the british black. Though having hair and skin colour the same tone makes it hard to focus on either.
>>44304314
>Killteam
Because people can actually afford more than 10 miniatures.
>HoR
Because fanwank fandex fanshit never gets played anywhere.
Hey,
I"vet been looking over armored battle group lists online and I notice that several include bane blades or other lords of war. IA 1: 2nd edition doesn't mention any access to lords of war at all, despite the book being full of them. Wha am I missing?
How lame would it be for me to split my 1000 point army in half and setting up on my 4x4 table to try and help me learn and remember rules and profiles.
I am still really sloppy mechanically and think it would help.
so...no new Red Scorpions next year?
>>44304314
Because it's an inferior version of Zone Mortalis.
DoW Anon here. I think I know why the game keeps crashing on me. It's Ulkair. It has to be. Every time I'm near the third temple before I get to the one near Kyras, I summon Ulkair. Maybe I shouldn't go over 100 troops, but I know it just has to be Ulkair. My computer can't handle him and Kyras together. Framerate got slower as I went to Kyras after knocking over his final skull tower and Ulkair was there.
>>44304503
>tfw putting the final touches on my ZM army
so close to maximum fun
going to build cavern walls for my own table
>>44304484
ABG has a long list of LoW available.
>>44304484
It's been redone in a new book.
Mont'ka.
>>44304542
>fellow ZM brother
>NOT SPACESHIP DECK BASED ZM
If you tell me your table/army base color is desert yellow/brown I will suck your dick right here.
Although I've usually had to play my desert ZM army on spaceship ZM boards.
>>44303636
It should say violence is half the battle and the other half is violence. Do you even ork bros?
>>44304585
>What are Blood Axes and Kommandoes
>>44304542
FUCK!
I KNEW I forgot to do something before I finished my internship, saved a shitload of 30mm corrugated carboard, fat postage tubes and styrofoam sheets from the trash.
>>44304585
not him but that was originally my OC for a filthy half orc which is why it would make a bit more sense.
>>44304490
go for it
i often roll dice when trying to figure how how things would happen. keeper beat up the toxicene easily
>>44304585
Youz is daff if youz never 'eard of bein' boff kunninly brutal an' brutally kunnin', Git.
>>44304490
Why would that be lame? That'd be smarter than 90% of 40k players who just herp the derp and claim 40k doesn't take skill to play despite having no idea how to play 40k well, then when you tell them how ignorant they are and demonstrate complex/multi-stage tactics they say you're "abusing the rules".
Practicing the game and going through the motions properly, and sticking to them, will help drill and reinforce more efficient play and remove your sloppy habits. But that's only if you actually stick to it and do ti right. If making the game smaller helps you focus, then do what you have to do.
>>44304490
Just make sure to use good amounts of terrain and roll for random edges so you have to optimize deployment.
>>44304584
Not desert, just regular old dirt/stone. Mainly so I can switch from surface terrain to underground stuff without needing multiple tables.
All the catastrophic spaceship stuff in ZM would be like having an earthquake, dust explosion or tunnel collapse.
>>44304551
I see ig formations in montka but nothing that says the vehicles work for armored battle group.
>>44304548
Where is this list? It's not in the ia book that presents the rules for abg
>>44304674
Zone Mortalis has a table for non-ship boards that has just that.
>>44304624
>>44304633
>>44304670
Thanks all. In place of terrain (which I have none) should I just use books and boxes or whatever?
>>44304744
I forgot about that!
Too much spaceship combat, I guess. Now I'm really looking forward to finishing these caves.
>>44304812
Sure, just make sure the provide stable surfaces to stand on.
Lego and Lego Duplo's make excellent stand ins for terrain as they are modular shape and they tend to be stable and even surfaces too.
>>44304812
yup. if you got some tanks you're not using also, food boxes, paint pots oh and cover the table with a cloth to prevent scratching. i would also love to see a battlereport on here if you'd be so kind
Hey guys, a quick question. I just finished reading the HH, well up until the wolf king that is. I want to start reading 40k novels. I've read the eisenhorn trilogy and the emperors gift. Well down to the question; I saw a post about a mechanicum book where they find an stc, thats about all i know. I hope you guys can help me ^^.
Thanks in advance
>>44304453
>There is a raven guard emblem on its leg
It's Sanguinius
>>44304812
Anything that is tall and wide enough to block an entire squad or MC from line of sight. Should have more than one or two. Ideally one on each table corner and in the middle of the board. The size of a small shoebox should be good.
Keep in mind you are on 4x4 and not 6x4.
>>44304840
Fucking Quakes.
>hur dur boarding marines are better for tunnel fighting
>killed by quake
>>44304881
Sanguinius is going to be a base decoration for Horus's final sculpt.
>>44304490
That's such a good idea I think I am going to do the same thing right now.
>4 hours till girlfriend comes home
1000 v 1000
It is hard for me to play since I am new and work during the weekend. However I enjoy modeling and recently came into a second army.tfw no 4x6 table but 1x1 tiles in my kitchen
>>44304868
Good call on the table cloth. It isn't worth trying to make a batrep with my shitty shit phone camera but I will surely summarize it and well probably come across tons of questions as I play.
>>44304987
Don't suppose you are in Alaska?
Hey everybody, starting an ork army and just got myself some nobs. I just discovered that some of the Nobz have guns while others have close combat weapons. Do I have to kit them out to be cc or ranged?
>>44304870
Not an stc but i just finished the Lords /priests /gods of mars series and enjoyed it
>>44305024
Alaskan 40k must be the loneliest 40k.
Unfortunately I am in the midwest
![100219_md-Artwork,%20Ork%20Boss%20Nob,%20Orks,%20Snakebites,%20Warboss[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MjoWo4g.jpg "100219_md-Artwork,%20Ork%20Boss%20Nob,%20Orks,%20Snakebites,%20Warboss[1].jpg")
>>44305045
CC.
>wanna get stuck in with the boyz
>>44305045
Nob guns are just to have something to do while running at the enemy, if you want shooty Nobs, they are called Flash Gits.
>>44305074
Well I mean, model wise, do models who are holding the guns have lower close combat stats or is it just purely ornamental.
>>44305069
I think that's Australian 40k.
Well I did it. I bought a rulebook and space wolves codex.
So I heard two Wolf lords and two iron priests all on thunderwolves with maxed out wolves on each is really good. But I also want to make a regular army....
Thoughts?
>>44305045
CC, keep em cheaper with Big Choppa/regular choppas and 1 maybe 2 PKs
>>44305055
Yeah i found preast of mars after some googling, nut i heard taht the book i was looking for was good. But if you say priests is nice ill start with that one
![1361880363433[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KLkHUxe.jpg "1361880363433[1].jpg")
>>44305095
ornamental, I don't think I've ever played against a fully wysiwyg army. Just make sure you can differentiate between the nobs with different load outs.
>>44305110
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Wolves(7E)
>>44305162
Thanks
SO I was going over the Ork tactics on 1d4...
Anyone here think it'd a huge loss if I went at it heavy handedly and cut all alls the arguing, outlined text, "jokes", double entries and shit?
>>44305161
To follow up on what he said, if you can paint them, just try painting the differing ones a seperate color so you and your opponent can tell at a glance.
>>44305180
I wanted to do that for my army's page but I figured it's not worth the effort since any assclown can just undo all your work and they will just shit it up eventually.
>>44305180
No. I benefited from it because I learned all the meta jokes. It's also what sets 1d4chan apart from all the other tactic sites.
>>44305201
Oh I don't intend to add anything, it'll be a pure axe job, hacking away shit.
![1450283939268[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IyIuGlv.jpg "1450283939268[1].jpg")
>>44305246
Heavy flamers devastators in a drop-pod. Good idea or Nay? I want to Field a Librarius Conclave but i'd hate missing on the Second special weapons in tactical squads and i'm looking For alternative solutions.
>>44305045
No limit on what kind of gear you can give them.
Get yourself a codex and check the weargear and such.
Good way to start is 1 Klaws, 2 big choppa, one Kombi Skorcha (flamethrower) and one guy with a boss pole
Always take the bosspole for WS5 and consider converting a large impressive banner using one of the 2-handed big choppas as a base.
![1450292649020[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5IjGd9m.jpg "1450292649020[1].jpg")
>>44305297
BP doesn't give you +1 WS, waagh banner does.
Lucky Stikks give you +1WS
>>44305297
Bosspole is for psychology
Waagh banner is for WS
>>44305246
I just archived and saved the page, dont you fucking dare, Ill just undo it.
>>44305322
what's the fluff reason for how it gives better WS? instructions on the banner for chopping up gits? apply axe here and there?
>>44305311
>>44305322
Woteva you gitz know what i mean
Da short of it is: ALWAYS TAKE DA WAAAGH! BANNER
![1450282188773[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xUhE0lF.jpg "1450282188773[1].jpg")
>>44305322
Da brainiest boy wez no
>>44305281
Devastators can't take heavy flamers. Otherwise yes, they would be awesome.
You can do something similar with GK purgators with incinerators in an allied drop pod.
>>44305369
Unless you'z got a boos wiw a Lucky stikk
>>44305350
Diz 'eres a ded awsum bannar and da boys wuz got it iz ded'ard from beatin gitz wut tries ta night it!
>>44305350
DA WAAAGH BANNER IZ 'N EFFIG-..EFFI-..E-..IT'Z DA TOTEM FACE OF MIGHTY MORK (AN ONLY MORK YOO RUNTS)
DA BOYZ FITE 'ARDER WHEN UNDA 'IZ GAZE DON'CHA KNO
>>44303091
Based
Hope the rumours are true he is getting a big push next year with the new enclaves book.
>>44305397
Dang it. I wanted to ally an IG pakisher and some artillery while SM took the Field but my autism prevents me from taking 9 Man tactical squads. Guess i'll just renounce my space-Magic For now and stick to my original Plan.
>>44304987
>battlefield is set
>not sure if this counts as my 8th game or 8th and 9th
>>44305454
I TELL YA DAT IT'Z DA FACE OF GORK, YA GROT
IT MAKEZ YA BOYZ CUNNIN'ER, SEE?
>>44305346
Feel free to undo any negative changes.
But it will be tidied up, we don't need two separate entries on the overpriced and worthelss stomclaw grot unit for example.
![1450301007215[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Ti7qTxl.png "1450301007215[1].png")
>>44305500
>>44305474
>Farsight getting anything more after having it's own supplement AND recent formations/detachtments
There's people who hope for Tzeetnch daemonkin
People who hope for CSM
People who hope for Sisters
And then you.
>>44305475
If that is your goal you can take a First Company Strike force.
Sternguard veterans in drop pod that debuff leadership go very well with librarian conclave.
Or you can go with scouts as troops and sternguards veterans in pods with Pedro Cantor as a HQ.
IG that hold the line while scouts advance and Space Marine Veterans drops to take objectives is very fluffy.
>>44305499
>Models on the floor
NO YOU FOOL DON'T DO THAT
>>44305670
Not him but why not?
>>44305610
I don't understand why GW isn't just shitting out the other three Daemonkin codexes. They require next to no effort, Chaos always sells, and they'd be fucking awesome. Plus, they'd open up more room for CSM to focus more on the undivided legions.
>>44305703
>dad walks in
>"oh hey anon, what's going on an-"
>crunch
>"oh shit dude i'm sorry i didn't see your toys on the ground"
unit takes a stomp attack. plastic models take d20 hits while metal takes d3 hits
>>44305728
they don't have any big kit to sell with the daemonkind book. daemonkind was the 40k tie in to the new bloodthrister kit. sure they could make some new plastic greater daemons but that's a pipe dream. grey knights and dark eldar were quick but gw doesn't wanna do that for every army.
>>44305728
Yeah, it's honestly completely illogical.
They should be shitting out plastic Deamon Princes every two months with a codex each.
>>44305728
>chaos always sells well
That's a weird way too spell Khorne
>>44305877
Pff.
Only because of KDK.
90% of chaos players would take anything other than khorne, including Undivided if given the chance.
>>44305610
GW staff in the HQ seemed to be confident he was getting another event/story tying him up against Nid's and helping survivors off Mont'ka.
2k Point List I'm working on, using Chaos Renegades and Daemonkin
++ Renegades & Heretics: IA13 (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) (1490pts) ++
+ HQ (425pts) +
Renegade Command Squad (260pts) [Carapace Armour, Disciple w/ Flamer, 10x Disciple w/ Lasgun, Krak Grenades for Squad]
Arch Demagogue [Bloody-handed Reaver, Carapace Armour, Covenant of Nurgle, Laspistol, Power Fist, Refractor Field, Warlord]
Disciple w/ Banner of Hate [Lasgun]
Disciple w/ Command Net Vox [Lasgun]
Renegade Enforcers Cadre (165pts)
Enforcer [Bolt Pistol, Carapace Armour, Combat Drug Injectors, Power Sword] x3
+ Troops (600pts) +
Plague Zombie Horde (75pts) [25x Plague Zombie]
Renegade Grenadier Squad (275pts) [Flak Armour, 5x Grenadier w/ Hot-shot Lasgun, Scout]
Grenadier Champion [Covenant of Nurgle, Hot-shot Lasgun, Power Fist]
2x Grenadier w/ Hot-shot Volley Gun [2x Hot-shot Laspistol]
Grenadier w/ Plasma Gun [Hot-shot Laspistol]
Grenadier w/ Vox-caster [Hot-shot Lasgun]
Renegade Chimera [Autocannon, Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter, Militia Training, Pintle-mounted Heavy Stubber]
Renegade Mutant Rabble (125pts) [Flak Armour, 29x Mutant w/ Lasgun]
Mutant Champion [Covenant of Khorne, Laspistol, Melta Bombs] x2
+ Heavy Support (465pts) +
Renegade Support Squad (110pts) [Covenant of Tzeentch, Flak Armour, 3x Lascannon Team, Militia Training]
Renegade Tank Squadron (160pts)
Exterminator [2x Heavy Bolter, Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter, Militia Training, Pintle-mounted Heavy Stubber]
Renegade Tank Squadron (195pts)
Executioner [2x Plasma Cannons, Dozer Blade, Heavy Flamer, Militia Training, Pintle-mounted Heavy Stubber]
++ Codex: Khorne Daemonkin (Allied Detachment) (510pts) ++
+ HQ (255pts) +
Daemon Prince (255pts) [Daemonic Flight, Goredrinker, Ichor Blood, Warp-forged armour]
+ Troops (85pts) +
Bloodletters (85pts) [8x Bloodletters, Upgrade one Bloodletter to Bloodreaper]
+ Fast Attack (170pts) +
Heldrake (170pts) [Hades Autocannon]
I have a Tzeentch Daemons army, but honestly I'm not super happy with it. All the random pre-battle rolls preclude both personality in characters and broader strategy than spamming shit.
There's also that in theory, flickering fire is meant to stand in for shooting, but yeah after playing in a modified kill team with 500 points of Daemons where the power consistently failed to kill single, single wound models... I haven't even bothered trying it in real games.
>>44306016
Well, what kind of stuff do you use? Mono God isn't usually all that great.
>>44305631
The problem is in the points cost. At 1500 (The usual size of the tournaments in my closest shop) after the paskisher combo, a melta-veterans squad, a couple of wyverns (130 points of awesone) and the librarius i just have 300-400 points to spare.
I'll most likely get a CAD of tacticals if i decide the librarius anyway but I'll most likely just get 1 librarian and run the marines as allies.
>>44304695
Just use the vehicle formations you dunce. There is a vehicle core formation.
>>44305180
I wouldn't mind. I don't mind a bit of Ork humour (who doesn't?) but parts of that page get fucking retarded and annoying.
>>44306068
Honestly?
I ended up after a while using a 20 flesh hound blob as my get shit done unit. They go out and win the match for me whilst my psykers, flamers and big guys dick around the fringes alternating between supporting the Flesh Hounds and trying to find a middle ground between doing nothing of value and being broken horseshit like a biomancer prince and summon spam.
Turns out, there is not a middle ground. Srsly my woofs pretty much are my army.
>>44306110
I'll keep the actually fun shit, but the constant banter with inquisitors blamming and such is an eyesore.
ATM I'm folding many of the sub entry shit into the main article, cleaning it up, putting stats on weapons, removing "back in 5th edition this did X".
>>44306157
Ok cool.
Just a remember to keep the personality and intent of the page intact, don't go deleting vast swathes without very good reason.
Other than that beat of luck.
>>44306016
Outside of Screamerstar, which isn't that good anymore, Tzeentch Daemons are okay at best. The change in how psychic powers are manifested neutered their shooting, and the fact that only one psyker in a unit can cast a given power managed to neuter the Tzeentch deathstar builds while still leaving them as extremely unfun builds to play against.
>>44306114
>>44306239
This.
As a fellow daemons player, I recommend mixing and matching units without limiting yourself to a god. The faction is incredibly fun and varied if you do that and, best of all, you will get shit done everywhere, as opposed to that one group of pissed off woofs.
>>44306157
>I'll decide what's worth keeping
Thank god we all have the same tastes as you. .
>>44306239
Yeah, I don't really do deathstars anyhow. (I'm not sure anyone plays psychic powers that "One Psyker per unit" way though, the phase kinda falls apart if you break it down like that? Not that it matters to me, I don't have any multi-Psyker units)
But essentially my psykers are caught between ineffectuality or summon spam and Biomancy, with Cursed Earth being the only middle ground of a reliably great but non-absurdly good power.
I have yet to find something useful for a Lord Of Change to do besides combat and contributing to summon spam.
Is there anything wrong with my brother using Beakies for his Sgts?
>>44306369
Laser things to death?
>>44306399
Not especially, I use beakies whenever I want to do a stupid pose.
>>44306414
With what? His power lists are one full of shooting buffs (in an army with no shooting) Daemonology, and Change.
>>44306343
Feel free to assemble a think tank to brainstorm and dicuss the new direction, if you're lucky you'll be done by the time of 8th.
Untill then it's up to humourless faggots to cut the fat.
Or you.
So er.. what that phrase? put up or shut up?
>>44306343
So, what? We never edit the page again to get rid of shit that's dumb? If we all had that attitude the tactics pages would get bogged down in bollox.
I'm all for someone going at it. And if we don't like it we can always revert it.
>>44306369
While the core of the psychic phase is fantastic, it still needs a lot of refinement.
A lot of powers, especially witchfires, need buffed while a couple need nerfed. The tables need to be made less random. Everybody needs access to some sort of psychic defense.
The problems that daemons have would be easier to fix by giving the lesser daemons their own unique way to cast spells, where they don't generate warp charge or spells but instead just know one or two spells that they cast with a leadership test.
>>44306369
a lot of ppl have misread how manifesting psychic powers work i think.
a "psychic unit" is not for example a unit comprised of 3 IC who are psykers.
Each psyker is an independent psychic unit.
If all 3 know invis, then all 3 of them could attempt and fail or pass to cast invis.
Brotherhood of the psyker such as what Warlock conclave have is different, and that unit could not attempt to manifest the same power more than once.
>>44306598
>not house ruling that you can choose your powers.
>>44306622
Are you for real?
I pick invisibility and Iron Arm. And I know my marine player friend will do the same. And perfect timing.
>>44306622
>house ruling choosing powers
Seriously nigger? Do you want everything to have invis, iron arm and endurance?
>>44306013
Dont run autocannon on the drake, dont buy t3 infantry for 10ppm.
>>44306598
Lesser Tzeentch Daemons need specific, reliable psychic shooting attacks back, yes. Maybe have them generate Psyker points as a battery if they refrain from shooting?
I'm also a fan of the idea of making all disciplines have D3 powers, so a mastery 3 Psyker can choose to master a discipline. Just make sure there's no invisibility style power that single-handedly distorts the game around itself.
>>44306622
Fine if you also extensively house rule power lists to have extreme high end auto takes.
>>44306622
Would that I could, but most people are perfectly happy to claim that 40k is a casual game while also maintaining that everything must be played entirely RaW.
Speaking of RaW,
>>44306611
>>44306369
The rules are clear that a unit can only cast a given power once a phase. It's stupid, and it could be due to GW being fucking awful at wording things.
>>44305631
>>44306076
So, i dropped the idea of the conclave at 1500 points, I'll play it above that treshold.
This is the list I'm thinking about running, what do you guys think?
++ Space Marines: Codex (2015) (Combined Arms Detachment) (779pts) ++
+ (No Category) +
Chapter Tactics * [Ultramarines]
+ HQ (255pts) +
Chief Librarian Tigurius (165pts)
Librarian (90pts) [Mastery Level 2]
··Power Armour [Bolt Pistol, Force Sword]
+ Troops (249pts) +
Scout Squad (59pts) [4x Scouts, 4x Sniper Rifle]
··Scout Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]
Tactical Squad (190pts) [Plasma Gun, 9x Space Marines]
··Drop Pod [Storm Bolter]
··Space Marine Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Plasma]
+ Fast Attack (35pts) +
Drop Pod (35pts) [Storm Bolter]
+ Heavy Support (240pts) +
Centurion Devastator Squad (240pts)
··Centurion [Grav-cannon and Grav-amp, Hurricane Bolter]
··Centurion [Grav-cannon and Grav-amp, Hurricane Bolter]
··Centurion Sergeant [Grav-cannon and Grav-amp, Hurricane Bolter]
++ Astra Militarum: Codex (2014) (Allied Detachment) (710pts) ++
+ HQ (425pts) +
Tank Commander (425pts)
··Command Punisher [2x Heavy Bolter, Heavy Bolter, Knight Commander Pask]
··Executioner [2x Plasma Cannons, Lascannon]
+ Troops (155pts) +
Veterans (155pts) [Flak Armour for Squad, 6x Veteran w/ Lasgun, 3x Veteran w/ Meltagun]
··Chimera [Heavy Flamer, Multi-laser]
··Veteran Sergeant [Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol]
+ Heavy Support (130pts) +
Wyvern Battery (130pts)
··Wyvern [Heavy Bolter]
··Wyvern [Heavy Bolter]
Once again, I wish I had the social skills to play with a group of regular players to the point where we could start house ruling the worst elements of the game into shape.
Sadly, I am stuck with pickup games.
>>44306717
>The rules are clear that a unit can only cast a given power once a phase. It's stupid, and it could be due to GW being fucking awful at wording things.
Not when some special characters have rules that let them cast the same multiple times.
>>44306680
I'd make them all D3 tables, where each number has two powers that you get to choose between. Then just tweak them so that they're all a bit closer in power.
What I'd really like to do is make it so that individual psykers generate more warp charge but also make it so that psykers can't sharge warp charge. Then make sharing warp charge a special rule tied to units like seer councils, daemonic heralds, librarius conclaves and the like.
>>44306611
Nope.
Pic related.
>>44306778
How does characters having special rules that give them exceptions make the core rules any less clear?
>>44306717
Near as most folk can tell, they're just failing to adequately distinguish between "Psyker unit" and "Unit containing one or more psykers".
It implodes a little bit if you don't give them the benefit of the doubt.
There's a reason I have more fun playing Tau than Daemons.
>>44306813
It does not, it makes the core rules more clear an removes the argument of it being down to poor wording.
>754.M37 The Dissidence Dreams (The Lost Crusade)
>On thousands of planets, menials rebel against their dreary drudge with wild-eyed leaders espousing a better way of life – a galaxy of tolerance. The movement is especially popular amongst the youth, earning it the title of Children’s Crusade. Billions of earnest pilgrims are lured to seek transport to Terra; some are waylaid by pirates but the majority disappear into the Warp.
--------------------------
>666.M38 Grim Harvest
>A great armada of misshapen hulks drifts out of the Warp near Terra. Some of the twisted and fused ships can still be identified as transports carrying pilgrims from the Lost Crusade. The Inquisition works feverishly to cover up the fleet’s existence and its cargo of abominations.
Is this the most cynical and grimdark piece of fluff in 40K?
>>44306852
Ah yes, I love this bit of fluff.
Gave me the chills reading it the first time.
>>44306796
You know it's condescending to post the text of the rule being discussed when everyone discussing the rule has the book, right?
"My position is right because I have a camera and/or screenshot button"
>>44306717
>>44306796
If you go by RARC (rules as retards claim) and apply all cases of "a unit" in the Psychic Phase section as meaning "the entire unit IC are part of" the entire psychic phase falls apart and become full of bullshit.
RAW doesn't mean that you have a free pass to be retarded. When the tanks paragraph talk about how a vehicle can tank shock it's clear that it's referring to vehicles that are also tanks and you don't get to tank shock with every vehicles.
>>44306870
No, my position is right because it openly contradicts what you are saying.
It's pretty clear. I don't really get how there is an issue here.
>>44306870
Not the guy that posted it, but the rules are clear. There is no discussion to be had as far as RaW are concerned. In situations like this, posting the rules is helpful.
>>44306870
Tumblr'est post of the day.
>>44306870
Posting 'interpretations' when bold text in the brb tells you otherwise deserves you condescension.
>>44306852
No, because without further context it's just a random thing that happened to a random group of people who happened to be optimists.
>>44306891
>>44306900
No, your position is wrong because you are a faggot who is unable to understand that you can't just take a single phrase outside it's contest.
>>44306932
I can post the entire paragraph of you like. It doesn't change anything, the ruling is very clear.
>>44306870
If we don't rub his face in it how else is he supposed to learn to read twice before posting once?
>>44306932
>Robing a bank is illegal.
>'I think we need more context here'
top kek, and not that context isn't relevant, but it doesn't support you.
>>44306906
It's far tumblr-ier to assume someone disagreeing with you must know nothing, rather than just has a differing opinion.
>>44306717
nope, you just can't read. Go back and read what it says.
The rule clearly states "psychic unit", a psyker is a psyhic unit. A unit comprised of psykers is not.
3 farseers in a unit is not a psykic unit.
Each and all 3 of the farseers could manifest the same power.
brotherhood of the psyker units are different.
read the rules
>>44307000
He is reading the rules.
If you actually read what is posted above, you will note it says no unit can attempt to manifest, not psychic unit.
>>44306953
The paragraph say:
>Assuming you have enough Warp Charge points, you can alternate back and forth between the same PSYKER UNIT in this way, but no UNIT can attempt to manifest the same psychic power more than once per Psychic
You don't need to be a master linguist to understand that the second instance of unit is just a repetition of the first. You only need basic reading comprension.
>>44306975
>Robbing a bank or a house is illegal
>Guys! It clearly says "a house is illegal", it means that all houses are illegals!
>>44306991
The text has one right way to be read.
Opinions mean shit, you are either right or wrong.
>>44306796
your pic supports what i am saying
learn to read
a psychic unit is a farseer
a unit of farseers is not a psychic unit, each individual psyker is
a unit of warlocks has brotherhood of the psyker, the unit is a psyker unit
What's the meta like in your regular group, /tg/?
3 Chaos players
2 Dark Eldar players
1 Tau playerhe hasn't won a single game in a months
>>44307033
This is true.
At least if some logic is to be found.
>>44306891
yes, raw it is totally clear. That is why Nova, Adepticon, ITC and ETC FAQs all answer idiot questions from people like you.
1 farseer is a psyker unit
a unit of farseers is not a psyker unit
the rule states a psyker unit may only manifest X
therefore, each and every individual psyker unit may attempt to manifest
dont spout nonsense if you dont understand the rules and are just arguing with the standard rules being played across the world
if you want to sit in your bedroom and misinterpret shit thats fine, but dont try to convert others
>>44307027
Incorrect and a false parallel. 10/10 best post. Mayonnaise is a gender.
>>44307078
Not even against the Dark Eldar players?
How can one player be that bad?
This is why anyone who tries to rules lawyer the book instead of read it in the tone it was written should be put on some sort of registry and denied entrance to stores, clubs and tournaments.
GW write their rules in a very casual tone. This might lead to pickup games being a lot shittier, and power gamers running more rampant, but it is how it is. Going HURR STRICT RAW instead of, y'know, reading what the book is fucking saying, makes things worse. Every time.
>>44307091
I find it weird how passionate you are getting over this, and claiming how I am "converting" people, yet more people have disagreed with you than agreed with you so far on this.
But whatever man. I'm sure you know better than... everyone else.
>>44307122
>rules as written =/= what the book is saying
because when there is no room for interpretation there aren't abuses and pick and choosing. house-rules are fine, but don't be a retard.
After reading the rules a bit closer, I have to apologize for saying that the rules were clear and I've switched over to supporting the idea that a unit that has multiple psykers can cast multiple instance of the same psyker, as long as each psyker only casts the power once.
All sorts of other weird inconsistencies start popping up otherwise, like a psyker being able to cast any of the powers that another psyker in the unit knows, since the rules just say to select a power that "the selected unit" knows.
>>44307078
One Tyranid/Necron/SW player
One BA/GK/WS player
One Iyanden/CSM player
One Salamander/Knights/Skitarii player
One Tau/IG/Iron Warriors player
One Ork/Aspectdar player
>>44307122
But in the real world it's the opposite, they are denied entry into gaming groups and private clubs and instead banished to the outer dark along sweaty puggies, WAACers and tourneyfags.
>>44306448
I'm semi-certain you can roll on the other tables.
>>44307168
True, but Unit =/= psycker unit.
>>44307100
>No one can enter a house without the permission of the owner, but if one enter a house it will be punished.
There you idiot. The exact same wording. Just like you take the " no unit can attempt to manifest the same psychic power more than once per Psychic" without the first part to which it's clearly referring when it say "a unit" you can take the "if one enter a house it will be punished" without the first part to obtain a different thing.
Now go away and think about what went wrong in your life to be this much of a faggot.
>>44307027
Your illegal house analogy is freaking perfect for how EXACT RAW retards think.
Again, GW don't write like they're writing a technical manual. As much as that's probably a bad thing, acting like they do makes it ten times worse.
>>44307194
Yeah this is my biggest hang up. If they really did mean it the way this guy is saying, then why do they use "psyker unit" all the way down this page, yet this one bold line is the only one that says "unit."
If it had "psyker unit" there I would be agreeing. But it doesn't. So I'm not convinced.
How does the new guard tank table you roll on work? What do you need to do/have to roll on it? I'm a bit lost is it a part of the formations?
>>44306923
But they were children.
Think of the children, anon.
>>44307175
A Lord of Change can roll Divination, Change and Daemonology.
Of those, only Daemonology is helpful and it's based around summon spam rather than direct shooting.
>>44307233
Because
>between the same Psyker units in this way, but no unit can
sounds a lot better and it's more correct than
>between the same Psyker units in this way, but no Psyker unit can
because you know, unnecessary repetitions are grammatically bad. And it's clear to everybody that has a brain that it's still referring to psyker units.
>>44306852
>Is this the most cynical and grimdark piece of fluff
The most? No, when you make statements like that, you find there's always something worse. For instance, pic related.
>>44307291
Fine Christ I'll talk it over with my friends.
>>44306852
still not daemonaculaba
>>44307302
What about the one where the daemons fuse everybody to the planet's surface?
>>44306923
What is the context? It's clearly a riferiment to the medieval children crusade that happened in the real world, but I feel I am missing something.
>tfw try to play a game against myself
>By the top of turn two realize I am too novice and have been supported by all the Veterans I have played
>Never appreciated the god-saint other players who spoonfed me rules on demand
Looks like I have to re-reread the rulebook. Constantly pouring over the book, even during a game against myself, infuriates me.why cant I just git gud?
>>44307291
I fucking hope you never become a juror, because Christ alive you're taking a license of interpretation far beyond any reason.
/tg/ do you like playing against people who don't care if they win? As in - the person across the table from you just wants to roll dice and have fun. He doesn't do anything overtly stupid or suicidal but he clearly is just there for the experience and socializing.
The most Grimdark piece of fluff would presumably start with the line:
"Lord Inquisitor Grimmus Darkus grimly stalked the dark halls of the Darkgrim class Black Ship Grimdark..."
>>44307387
Yes.
>>44307387
preferable
>>44307373
It's talking about units that manifest powers you faggot. Do you think it's talking about psyker units or about ork boyz?
>>44307078
Five Tau armies, two necrons, six orks, maybe eleven space marines, one KDK,
one other CSM player, three eldar, one dark eldar, two space wolves and maybe three IG.
Only different armies would be one of each of, Dark angels, blood angels, and minor admech that doesn't show up very often.
>>44307387
Anyone besides the biggest cunt would enjoy an opponent like that. This is the click-bait of TG questions and I just ate it up.
We have an Ork guy who understands his army isn't winning anything and through kit bashes he fields crazy annoying things like Mek Gun spam or warbuggie horde.
Last week he brought 21 defkoptas.
He usually makes CADs and actual lists but will ocasionly trick someone into an unbound match and run 1500 points of warbuggies all converted from different orkified hot wheels.
>>44307387
I don't mind, but 'some' competitive investment is preferred, if they are completely blase it can kill the mood. If they react to cool shit happening than than they care enough for my preference.
>>44307336
Don't think I know that one. But that's exactly what I'm talking about. Every time I think I've plumbed the depths of the grimdark, something even worse comes along. Chenkov's bridge building, that Guard convalesence world whose primary exports are combat servitors and corpsestarch, the Daemonculaba... you get it. It's Grimdark all the way down.
>>44307387
i felt like that in my last game since i knew the other player was gonna crush me, moral victory for me since i had 80% of the models painted
i can't wait to get my bloodthrister into play since he finally has magnets and greenstuff in the gaps
>>44307470
'any unit' implies the entire unit as opposed to 'Psyker unit', which would imply other psykers in the 'unit' as separate.
>>44307078
>Necrons / Ultra Marines
>Tyranid / Space Wolf
>Ravenwing
>KDK
>Eldar
And now we are expecting an AM player.
Everything was pretty cool until Eldar just showed up like "lolwraithhost" and initiated an arms race within our group.To be fair KDK and I have been trying to out gun eachother since day one
>>44307078
Tau, SM, Necrons, Eldar, KDK, IG, and some 'Nid.
>>44307233
>Default leman russ is 150 for an AV14 S8 AP3 blast tank
>Looted wagon with all upgrades for survivability is 105 points AV 11 S7 AP 3
Holy fuck. Is the only way to kill them as orks is to outflank my buggys and into the rear armour or suicide tankbustas?
>>44307617
Fug, didnt mean to quote
Debating between making my BaC box Imperial Fists or Red Scorpions. Planning on allying GK for Dreadknights...any advice which one makes better use of having 30 fucking tacticals?
>>44306750
Its seem a strong list. The only thing I would remove is the tactical squad. Without special weapons their only role would be to take objectives, and with the same points you can take two units of scouts in Land speeder storms or things much better at it.
Also I can't really see an use for the second librarian. Tigurius go with the Centurions, but him?
>>44307617
Getting up into its face has always been the best way for orks to kill a russ
A handful of tards in here spreading misinformation and misinterpretations of psyker rules.
Clearly none of you have left your moms basement or at best have played at your local GW store with other inbred rednecks playing the basic entry level store version of 40k
none of you have ever gone to a GT, anything resembling a tournament.
none of you follow or complete in anything remotely resembling actual competitive 40k
gtfo with your rules nonsense
go read some FAQs for any of the top tournies and realise that ALL psychic units in the game are played as being allowed to cast multiple versions of the same power
stupid dumb muppets
>>44307564
Read all the phrase you retard, not just the words you need for your inane argument.
Also know that you are arguing that all pysker in a unit know each other powers as in all instances is worded that you select a power the unit know.
>>44307617
I know this pain, tell me when you find the answer
>>44307353
Rough anon, are you the alaskan or the midwestern from earlier in the thread?
>>44307713
*grammar triggered
>Also know that you are arguing that all pysker in a unit know each other powers as in all instances is worded that you select a power the unit know.
Only if you assume that 'psyker unit' refers to the entire unit, which it clearly does not, which is why the different wording would be pertinent.
First thing in Jan is apparently new "start boxes" for a few armies and rereleasing a load of spray cans. Too lazy to repost the pics, see >>44307727 and >>44307743. They claim these have discounts of 30-40%, I'm also too lazy to add it up myself to see if that's true.
>>44305180
No one will mind if you make it a separate page. I for one enjoy the jokes, but i see why others wouldn't.
>>44307797
It doesn't say psyker unit you idiot.
>attempt to manifest a power the new unit knows
>>44307617
If you HAVE to go at frontal/side armour:
Loads of Rokkits can glance it to death though 10 of them will take ~1 HP per turn.
Blitza-bommas can crack them, though it's psudo melee.
The Zzaps guns S2d6+d6, or the smasha's s4+d6+d6
LoW also offer some anti russ power.
A Big mek can potentially do it with his SAG though the odds are low.
>>44303091
Y'know you're pretty cool for a Xeno. You can live.
>>44303863
ITC ruled that it was fine. Every time you think it's scummy to use it, I want you to look at a Wraithknight and see how many points it costs.
>>44307849
Fucking heretic, you shall die as you lived. A pitiful small blimp that dared to cross the Emperor.
