Which Legion is best suited for such a scenario?
Every marine that was made on earth stayed loyal. Every marine found on the primarchs planet went traitor.
They all apply
Night Lords. Kurze didn't care about them if I recall.
>>44302067
>Every marine that was made on earth stayed loyal.
Like Ahriman and Kharn rite?
Dark angels
>>44302163
Kharn was from earth.
>>44302189
That's his point, friend.
>>44302010
The Dark An...
*BLAM*
>>44302010
Most loyalist members of traitor legions were wiped out at istvaan
>>44302067
Not true. Many of the White Scars that declare for Horus are terran-born, including the main antagonist in Scars.
>>44302177
/thread
>>44302177
REPENT MOTHERFUCKER
>>44302388
Nice MkVII, nerd!
>>44302388
FOR TODAY WE MAY DIE
>>44302010
World Eaters. Not only did a great many stay loyal and have to be killed in the book, but a great many also felt disconnected from their gene father. If Angron turned traitor I could see thousands of semi-coherent berserkers screaming "For the Emperor!" and drowning Angron in their bodies. Angron is already broken, here's their chance to finally be close to their gene father in death.
>>44302010
The Lion and the Dark Angels.
Not even going "hurr Lion a traitor" (he wasn't) but that would be a legit cool twist.
And Luther was the loyal one.
>>44302697
>(he wasn't)
Isn't pretty much the whole shtick with Dark Angels (apart from hunting the Fallen) the mystery of whether or not the Lion was about to betray the big E
t. played DA since 2nd edition but haven't touched the game in years
>>44302910
They did have it like that, but GW in their eternal wisdom threw back the secrets and not only had him loyal, but SUPER DUPER loyal.
Fucking monkeys the lot of them.
>>44302910
>>44303070
Get in the fucking van, heretics.
Impossible. the legions fealty is to their primarch. if they don't follow him then they are traitors.
>>44303118
Except that's wrong.
Your fealty is to the Emperor above all. That take precedence over your Primarch.
Some of the Grey Knights founding members are loyalists from traitor legions.
>>44302126
Night Lords are still mostly secular, neither worshipping the Emperor nor chaos as a whole (individual marines do fall to chaos though). Could work.
Kurze didn't give two shits about what happened to his legion after he got killed.
>lel so awesome
>kurze top primarch who dindu nuting rong
How people even can say that is beyond me though.
>>44303297
>Night Lords are still mostly secular, neither worshipping the Emperor nor chaos as a whole (individual marines do fall to chaos though). Could work.
Fel was a NL loyalist but he did get exiled back to his homeworld(Terra). The man was a "dream eater" and supposedly "ate nightmares" Curze had.
>>44302653
this seems like a wasted opportunity
large numbers of XII still consider themselves warhounds and don't implant the butchers nails
not sure on the numbers but all the psykers are likely with them
anyone have any clue on how many war hounds were against the butchers nails
>>44302653
I definitely agree with this. But if you don't want to go with World Eaters, Thousand Sons isn't a terribad idea. I'm not sure how you'd work it with the fluff, but isn't it implied that the Blood Magpies or some shit are this?
>>44306149
It wouldn't have worked for TS. they didn't go traitor until the message and prospero burning. Anyone that remained loyal would be off world or executed by SW.
The timing prevents preservation of TS
>>44306223
Could work; you have the ts find out that magnus is making deals with evil entities and the massive sorcery battle ensues!
Could even have the rubric still happen except in this case it's the curse from their primarch in revenge for being forced to flee to the eye via warp portal.
I think personally that world eaters would be better for mass loyalists, and in fact, it's mentioned that many, even those WITH the butchers nails stayed loyal during the heresy. With some maintaining their sanity during the Istvaan III massacre, and hiding amongst the ruins as they waited for heretic forces to pass by, before they would unleash their half maddened marines on them.
>>44306336
Magnus' cabal knew about shit they were doing. First part has come and gone.
I don't understand the second part. By the time rubric happened they were thoroughly marked as traitors.
Entire TS fall is marked by lack of choices while OP's thread is all about making a choice. You can't pass off as loyal if others have made you traitor.
>>44302010
Upon getting the Betrayal at Calth set, I decided to go Emperor's Children, but both Traitor as well as Loyalist, depending on the battle.
I fluffed that the Loyalist faction was a chapter sent to the far regions and, upon hearing of their brothers' betrayal, chose to stand by the Emperor, as they felt it was a duty to their prestigious name.
>>44303118
it's treason then
>>44302010
If Sigismund went traitor he probably would've splintered the legion, I always get the impression that within the IF legion there is this sort of cult of personality towards Sigismund, mainly because he was the top boss and everyone wanted to be as elite as him and the templar bros.
Makes me wonder if Sigismund was the legion master before Dorn..
>>44302163
Astelan as well
Also emperors faggots had lots of terrans
>>44303118
American detected
>>44306460
It's called alternate time line... not to hard to understand. Op asked which traitor legion. I was just coming up with warp shenanigans / s way to reinterpret tge history.
Also even with the rubric they aren't necessarily traitor; just lost their bodies and become the equivalent of living power armour. Just don't take off you helmets and no one will know; it's not like their aren't chapters that don't do this already.
And of course they all knew about sorcery, but the change is that I'm the original they stop / didn't know that the warp entities were malignant and out to destroy them. Take a scenario where they do (aka emps isn't a tool) but big red is power hungry after wolfy wolf Russ calls him a pussyboy; the sorcerers find out that he has don the equivalent of sell his soul to the devil for power.
Probably Magnus and the Thousand Sons.
Magnus hid a lot from his sons and had a huge victim complex. Ahriman calls him out on it and basically says that the legion would never have stood for what he did if he had let them.
>>44302010
Alpha Legion.
They'd assassinate the traitor Primarch and replace him with the other one.
No-one outside the Legion would even know...
>>44306546
The legion master before Dorn was reassigned to ruling the inwit empire Dorn left
And then nothing happened to him ever again
>>44302067
Replace the word "every" with "most".
>>44306576
wut
>>44306615
If we are going to fundamentally rewrite cause and effect then the answer to OP is all legion.
If events don't matter I don't understand why discussing consequences of said events are even a thing.
>>44307665
That could be said about the whole premise of the op.
Changing cause and effect is necessary otherwise obviously none of this would happen as the story didn't go down like that.
Shit son; just get with the fun and stop saying nah ah canon story says.
As this threads so far from canon.
>>44302010
Which legion got decimated by their primarch again?
DID SOMEONE SAY TRAITOR PRIMARCH? LET ME AT 'EM
>>44308067
Yet the large majority of them went with Perty
>>44302163
Ahriman would have preferred to stay loyal, at least in the short term.
>Stay loyal to the Emperor even though your primarch went rogue
>Be treated like shit
Thanks Obama
>>44308067
>>44308116
Iron warriors make no sense. What is the theme of their legion anyways beyond grimdark siege shitters?
>>44308076
This image needs to be a banable offense.
>>44308317
They're basically the "gettin' real sick of your shit" legion.
I personally can't stand them.
>>44308317
>What is the theme of their legion anyways beyond grimdark siege shitters?
WWI the legion, trench/attrition warfare and sieges/defenses, which is also the same as Imperial Fists.
>>44308317
>What is the theme of their legion anyways beyond grimdark siege shitters?
What makes you think legions require more themes than that?
>>44307994
No, cause and effect is still fundamentally the same. The op asks about severity of said effect though. Primarchs that go traitor go traitor, the question is who is least likely to have a full conversion rate?
>>44308116
I guess they chose to stick with the asshole that fought with them.
>>44308336
TRAITOR
>>44308336
Trey-Torr
>>44308320
why does it trigger you fags so much?
>>44308116
Cuz IW warriors are ptsd veterans who really don't do anything beside war. They were already waiting for the moment to shoot everyone, perty just gave them the guns
>>44308517
Why do people get annoyed with doge and excuse me sirs?
>>44308336
TR-8R
>>44306515
pic related
>>44308842
Excuse Me is way more autistic than doge or Russ spam by default, since they make actual effort to type out a retarded autistic question.
>>44308926
Excuse me sir, but what does that have to do with anything?
>>44302010
>traitor Legion remains loyal
Luna Wolves.
Imagine you're a regular bolter dude out on the frontier, bringing habitable worlds into compliance and looking for bubble gum when the Fleet picters start newsreeling the whole Sons of Horus thing going on back home. Once you see those REMF brown-nosers mincing around in their Seafoam Green armour, and a grinning Daddy Ho wearing a WARMASTER tiara like he was a career politician or something, you'd have to chuckle - until Isstvan goes down.
Ah shit, now what? You're three companies - 300 trained, veteran Astartes - now royally fucked by some damned interoffice sissy-slapping that happened WAAAY behind the lines, and now the fucking swabbies are here, saying that they want you to please disarm and quietly come along to the brig ...
>>44310103
DesireToKnowMore.jpg
Why would Morty go chaos his fall never made sense to me other than the fact that only Horus liked him.
>>44310778
>Why would Morty go chaos
He never wanted to go chaos, Typhon was the one who praised nurgle and engineered for the entire legion to suffer so much they started to crave death and mercy from Nurgle who gave them what they wanted, more suffering and despair.
Morty hated tyrants and saw the Emps as another tyrant, which is a very similar reason for Angron and Curze to go renegade.
>>44310846
Bitch nigga, Angron and Curze were totally pants off crazy they didn't have a real reason to go against the Emperor
>>44310778
That was less Mortarion's call and more Typhon's. Typhon had the entire traitor Death Guard stalled in the Warp during the trip to Earth, where they were beset by Nurgle. In the end, despite their tenacity, they all succumbed to Nurgle's call.
>>44310907
Please actually learn to read. Wiki is readily available
>>44311027
I'm talking about before the HH series you mong
>>44308067
You mean the thing that happened 130+ years ago? That in a legion that tended towards sieges, I'd imagine less than 1 in 1,000 Iron Warriors by the time of Istvaan were even around for it.
>>44310778
Technically Mortarion has only just started to go chaos by the time of Vengeful Spirit. Typhon is on the opposite side of the galaxy and him and his followers are pretty much full Nurgle.
You know what would be better? A primarch who stayed loyal who's legion went traitor. If you think about it, it was almost the case with the Death Guard. Typhus conspiring and all.
>>44311682
Mortarion was willfully traitorous.
He was a complete faggot.
>>44311682
You mean The Khan? You mean the Khan right? Pretty sure you're talking about The Khan.
>>44311829
Do any of the HH books follow Khan or Alpharius? Don't know shit about those fucking niggers
>>44311781
Mortarion is the only traitor I have any respect for. Other than him and Horus the rest were a bunch of edgy faggots.
>>44303205
Except that's wrong for the Crusade Legions.
They were loyal to their Primarch, Legion, and Brothers first. The Emperor took over after the break up of the Legions due to the glorious rebellion against the Tyrant.
>>44311901
Oh damn son! Pick up Brotherhood of the Storm and Scars! You're in for some good times! The Khan has been nothing but awesome so far in the HH series.
>>44311902
>>44303205
Both of these are absurd extremist views. Every single marine has a hundred different loyalties and its their own views and experiences that will order which of them are valuable and which are not. There's loyalty to the Imperium, to Primarch, to legion, to homeworld, to Terra, to his squad mates, to his immediate superior, and in a few circumstances, to his religion, and his personal skill. All of these things and a hundred more are loyalties that a marine had to uphold or break when they chose a side(or refused to choose a side) in the Heresy.
>>44311075
Even before the HH series Angron was stolen from his family who was then butchered. Then those who enslaved and butchered his family were welcomed into the Imperium.
Curze was not raised by anyone, period. He was a feral child on the worst planet in the Imperium. He was crippled by horrible visions of the future, and was pretty clearly suffering from DID.
>>44308336
TRAITOR!
Dark Angels
>>44304185
Loken looks suspiciously like stock commander Shepard in that picture.
>>44302177
this is correct
>>44302010
One of the 2 unnamed legions. That's what they're for...
>>44308317
Being the most metal legion. Also they might be the least insane of the traitor legions.
>>44303297
>nightlords are still mostly secular
>largest night lord warband led by daemon prince
>>44302126
Buddy all the Night Lords ever do is sit around and whine that their daddy didn't love them. They'd follow him anywhere.
>>44319527
They're aimless, and don't like being led by a demon but generally just stand around drooling until someone they are scared of tells them what to do.
Too bad it's often demon lords.
>mfw complete parallel between Nostamo without Nigh Haunter and VIII legion withou curze
>>44302281
>white scars have traitors now
BL, fuck off
>>44320893
Every Legion did.
Some more than others.
Say what you want, Ahriman is still loyalist to me
>>44308336
TRAITOR
>>44320909
Okay, well, you're empirically wrong.
>>44320943
Just because you wear some spikes and horns and deal with demons, it does not mean you don't have the emperor in your heart
>>44322374
I want whatever warp dust you are snorting.
>>44322388
The only drug i do is the emperor
>>44310103
Jesus Anon, your Jargon, are you navy?
>>44322493
Go away Lorgar.
>>44302177
YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!!
THE LION WAS ALWAYS LOYAL!!!
ALWAYS!!!
>>44306839
>implying the alpha legion isn't the most loyal canon chapter.
>>44311965
I didn't read the Brotherhood of the Storm, but I did read Scars, and I must say it's one of the best HH books, finally shedding some light on the White Scars and based Khan. I still wait impatiently for FW to make his miniature
>>44306551
Most of them died due to a defect in the original geneseed strain. Only the strain that came from Fulgrim was pure.
I always wanted a chapter or two from the loyal remnants of the traitor legions.
>>44323999
>implying you don't think that merely because that's exactly what they intended for you to do
>>44328214
Death Eagles
Wish Granted.
>>44322585
You cannot force the emperor out of my mind
>>44328512
With the Blood Ravens, that's two.
Seven to go, the Word Bearers would be interesting.
>>44328862
There's also the Storm Wardens (World Eaters), Minotaurs (Iron Warriors) and Red Scorpions (Emperors Children).
Also possibly The Carcharodons (Night Lords?).
>>44329009
What in the fuck? When did minotaurs become iron warriors?
>>44328603
That's not the Emperor, that's Girlyman's boot. Oh, and it ain't in your mind either.
Lemme just call your bro Curze to pick you up.
>>44328214
Iron Warriors - Silver Skulls
>>44329009
Minotaurs are implied to be World Eaters and the Space Sharks are confirmed Raven Guard successors.
>>44329080
when one of the FW guys posted it on facebook.
I choose to ignore it, Minotaurs make more sense as being chimeric anyway.
>>44308336
Traitor!
>>44308926
>justifying your shitposting
>my shitposting isnt shitposting, its different cuz its mine
If you're trying to make other anons hate Leman Russ and the Space Wolves, its working.
>>44320190
*citation needed
Just one instance of this will do.
>>44329308
The Night Lords omnibus by ADB.
That part where they recover a memory of Konrad fucking Curze stepping down from his throne and the entire bunch of scary batmarines starts crying.
>>44308890
What is the meaning behind this gif?
>>44329009
Hold the fuck on. This isn't what he was asking for. He wants actual former legions-turned chapter, not just chapters that used the geneseed after the fact. Storm Wardens are confirmed White Scars, Minotaurs are not Heresy, Red Scorpions have nothing but the most inconsequential of superficial evidence and are much more likely Ultramarines, and Carcharodons are Raven Guard.
>>44329100
Silver Skulls is a good one, though might also be Ultramarines made in honor of Dantioch.
>>44329120
Chimeric isn't a geneseed. It's a descriptor. You have to be chimeric of something. Minotaurs can be both Iron Warriors and chimeric with something else. It still works.
>>44320898
>implying the mighty Ultramarines were ever not 100% loyal
>marneuscalgarpowerfisting.pict
>>44329624
>>44308336
TRATOR
>>44308317
So... why did the Iron Warriors rebel again?
>>44329881
Pert had quite the daddy issues and hated Dorn.
>>44329881
The IW command were sick of kinda being shat on throughout the Crusade, and Perty himself is hardly the nicest guy. Dude's first action upon meeting his legion was ordering a fucking decimation.
>>44329881
To put it short and most inoffensively, Perturabo was just an asshole.
>>44329968
Of which only a tiny fraction of the legion would've been around to experience, let alone know about given their MO.
>>44329881
Mainly tired of getting no respect from anyone, but the tipping point was definitely when their homeworld rebelled and had to be put to the torch.
>>44330099
>had to be put to the torch.
It didnt have to be put to the torch, thats the whole thing, the word bearers tricked Perty into nuking his own planet and its the nuking of the planet that made Perty realize he made a huge mistake and fear the Emperor's reprimand for doing it.
>>44308336
TRAITOR!
>>44329387
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh3PNe9cNYA
>>44330140
Eh? Source?
>>44330099
>Of which only a tiny fraction of the legion would've been around to experience, let alone know about given their MO.
That wasn't really my point. I was more using it as an example of Pert being a dickwaffle.
>>44302010
World Eaters. Just have them stand up to Angron and refuse to be implanted with the Butcher's Nails. Angron remains a psychotic butcher, but the World Eaters are still lucid.
>>44330494
If I remember correctly (and there are a couple other anons who have mentioned this), the Librarians of the World Eaters couldn't actually receive the Butcher's Nails implants.
Considering how distant Angron was with most of his legion, this could make it possible for a sizable force (maybe a little less than chapter sized) to have been sent elsewhere from the rest of the Legion. Alongside their brothers who chose not to receive the implants, they could decide to remain loyal to the Emperor and turn against their genefather.
It would mean a group of dedicated close-combat monsters lead by battle-mages. I like this idea already.
>>44331342
So, Blood Angels?
>>44302010
The Dark Angels. The Lion could've been corrupted over his ten thousand year nap.
If you're talking 30k, the Iron Warriors. They had so many isolated forts everywhere. Or the Death Guard, since nearly a 1/3rd of them or so were still loyal to the Emperor before Isstvan.
>>44320898
But then what was the point of the Dark Angels getting scared over their heresy?
It sort of made sense when they were the only loyalist legion to have that split, and the fear could carry over even when people started to realize that individuals could fall to chaos as well, but if everyone was going kind of heretic but took care of it, what were the Dark Angels so afraid of? It's just gotten ridiculous.
>>44330494
A lot of the HH stuff is pretty tragic. Like how the War Hounds turned into the World Eaters, and how they loved their Primarch and wanted to sympathize with him even though he was a pathetic, raging failure, so they voluntarily stabbed themselves in the brain so they could be closer to him.
>>44310103
There's actually a warband out there that tries to relive the days of the Luna Wolves, just like there's a warband that still worships Horus as a god and does Sons of Horus shit.
It wouldn't surprise me if one of those groups managed to find somewhere quiet in the Imperium to settle down and stay loyal. The Star Phantoms do wear white armor...
>>44331873
Star Phantoms are suspected to be DA. Don't start more "hurr they're actually loyal traitor" bullshit. We already have enough NL = Sharks and other stupid shit.
>>44308336
TRAITOR
>>44331782
Because the Dark Angels lost close to 50% of their legion. Plus, they're one of the more prideful stubborn legions.
>>44331782
Siding with Horus is not the same thing as turning to chaos, at least not at this point. We don't know enough about the Fallen at this point but they're clearly more than just those who turned against their legion. From a loyalist perspective, the Dark Angels care about their reputation. A lot. Possibly more than any other legion, with really only the Emperor's Children and the Imperial Fists even coming close. From the Dark Angel perspective, they were The First. The wisest. They are the ones who have been through everything. To be anything less is a terrible sin.
The White Scars on the other hand don't give a fuck about their reputation. Sure some of them sided with Horus. Most were dealt with, some escaped. And perhaps for hundreds of years, people will distrust the White Scars even more than they already did. But to them? They don't care. They do what they want.
As for other legions, the numbers that turned are at most a smattering, but even if 500 to 1,000 marines turned, that's nothing compared to the ~100,000 marines in each legion. They'd never be missed. However, that's more than enough to create a TT force out of them.
>>44331873
Both of those warbands are still outright chaos followers. Essentially they were just created so people could have an easy to use lore reason for using the Luna Wolves and Sons of Horus color schemes on chaos marines.
>>44331959
Not the guy you're replying to, but originally DA was the only loyalist legion that had traitors (during the first few editions, and even after that I think it's been pretty much just the BL books that have mentioned other fallen loyalists?).
>>44332063
The Fallen DA didn't side with Horus though, they sided with Luther (iirc).
>>44331917
Suspected, but still not proven. If their gene-seed is as pure as the Dark Angels, that means they could be about as pure as the Luna Wolves before they went traitor. They may have been officially founded in M38, but there's a canon conflict that places them in a battle only a century after the Horus Heresy - and either way, time moves strangely in the warp, so they could have showed up in M38, but still have been from right after they split off from Abaddon. They even show a preference for striking fast with drop pod assaults, sort of like the Luna Wolves. Though they prefer long-ranged weaponry, they're good at all forms of combat - again, like the everyman Luna Wolves.
NL =/= Sharks. This was more or less completely disproven by what was written during HH about the Terran Raven Guard.
And why not throw some theories around? It's fun, and it's not hurting anyone. We're all here to argue the maybes, right?
>>44332178
Luther was chaos-tainted.
>>44332230
>They even show a preference for striking fast with drop pod assaults
>Though they prefer long-ranged weaponry, they're good at all forms of combat
Like the majority of space marine chapters.
>>44332258
And like the old Luna Wolves - and markedly not much like the Dark Angels, who tend to make use of the Deathwing and Ravenwing. The Star Phantoms don't have such equivalents.
Also note that during the final battle on New Badab, seven of their companies fought in the first wave - a lot like the Speartip idea (several companies of marines striking the heart of the enemy) the Luna Wolves were supposed to hold strongly to.
>>44302010
Iron Warriors, for the simple reason that as a garrison legion they were parceled out in penny packets perched on perilous positions. So a pretty percentage didn't pile in with Perturabo when he permanently pounded the population of their home-world, and might possibly be petulant at their Primarch's poor public relations policies.
>>44332401
>And like the old Luna Wolves - and markedly not much like the Dark Angels, who tend to make use of the Deathwing and Ravenwing. The Star Phantoms don't have such equivalents.
And the Carmine Blades didn't have a Death Company, didn't mean they weren't Blood Angel successors. Chapters that aren't actually taught by another chapter of their lineage wouldn't know those things.
>Also note that during the final battle on New Badab, seven of their companies fought in the first wave - a lot like the Speartip idea (several companies of marines striking the heart of the enemy) the Luna Wolves were supposed to hold strongly to.
This is at least an interesting piece if you're suggesting that they're actually a Sons of Horus legion-split. Not if they just happen to have Luna Wolf geneseed. Organizational structure is not genetic.
>>44332401
>markedly not much like the Dark Angel
If they are in fact a DA successor, and they both deny it, it wouldn't make sense for them to use the same structure as the DA, at least not on the surface (they could still have their inner circle etc.), so it could still go either way. There have also been cases of the DA entering a battle en masse, because of the hunt for the Fallen.
>no one is saying the III Legion
The EMPEROR's Children!
>>44332145
You're comparing handfuls of assholes to a full blown legion garrison.
>>44332636
I'm not comparing anything, I'm saying that the reason the DA are so paranoid about the knowledge of the Fallen (other than the fact that they keep all knowledge to themselves if possible) is that when the story was written, they were the only loyalist legion with traitors.
>>44332230
It doesn't have to be proven. "Suspected" and "WRITTEN BY FORGE WORLD ITSELF MENTIONED BY NAME IN IMPERIAL ARMOUR" are way more concrete than "hur dur I'm a faggot on /tg/ and Star Phantoms are white so they might be Luna Wolves!" Fuck you and fuck your idiocy if you think you have any legitimate evidence for saying Star Phantoms = Luna Wolves.
>NL =/= Sharks. This was more or less completely disproven by what was written during HH about the Terran Raven Guard.
Exactly. And Star Phantoms ≠ Luna Wolves, in much the same manner, so stop fucking defending it.
>>44332230
>>44332919
And by the way, before HH3 proved Carcharodons were Raven Guard, they ALREADY HAD TEXT IN IA10 SAYING THEY WERE SUSPECTED RAVEN GUARD JUST LIKE STAR PHANTOMS ARE SUSPECTED DA.
In other words, pre-HH3, Carcharodons were just as Raven Guard as Star Phantoms were DA. So you saying Star Phantoms are Luna Wolves is JUST AS STUPID as you saying Carcharodons are NL. Think on that, retard, before saying it's not a stupid idea. Your stupidity is going to cause the same shitstorms that NL = Carcharodons did.
Go ahead and call me mad to prove my point that you're a retard, too.
>>44332919
Who gives a shit. These are all meme chapters.
>>44332919
>>44332970
Whoa, fellas.
Can't we all just come together and agree that the Space Wolves are gigantic faggots?
>>44332978
>>44333063
space maroons are serious business>yfw these conversations basically boil down to Jerry Springer "who's the daddy" gene-sperm analysis
>>44332565
I thought the Death Eagles were suspected to be made from EC loyalists as there was a millenial called the Death Eagles.
>>44331691
Not really. They'd probably behave a lot like the Black Templars (or just Pre-Heresy Warhounds), except with psychic artillery.
>>44333156
I think they would probably change the name. That's just a little too obvious, even for the Inquisition.
>>44302010
Iron Warriors is the most obvious, since a splinter group stays loyal in the 3rd FW book. They had quite a few battlegroups spread out throughout the galaxy.
You could do Alpha Legion - not necessarily as loyalists, but as being so self-interested that they'd openly fight other traitor legions.
Maybe a Death Guard ship or garrison that didn't make it to Istvaan due to warp storms. Or something similar with Thousand Sons (didn't make it back to Prospero).
I think it's less likely with the other traitor legions.
>>44333826
Well there was a millennial called Death Eagles that fought traitors during the heresy, then theres the Death Eagles chapter that we know nothing of but that they are rumored to be Raven Guard successor of unknown founding/origin, take that as you may.
>>44333826
The Emperor's Other Children
The Emperor's Stepchildren
The Emperor's Alimony
The Emperor's Glorious Bastards
>>44333826
They don't have to change the name. Just remove ever reference to the Emperor's Children, which they did.
>>44333929
I would put an Imperial Bastards army on the tabletop.
>>44333929
>>44333958
"And all y'all will git me one hundred Eldar scalps, taken from the heads of one hundred dead Eldar. Or you will die tryin'."
>>44333958
Cadian 66th "Bastards"
>EACH AND EVERY GUARDSMAN UNDER MY COMMAND OWES ME ONE HUNDRED HERETIC SCALPS, AND I WANT MY SCALPS!
>>44302010
Ultramarines?
>>44332919
>>44332970
Dude, you're mad. I was never arguing about the Space Sharks, they had long, long been proven to be Raven Guard successors.
>>44334948
Learn to read, moron.
>>44334961
He asked me to call him mad, and I'm not one for lying. Only one who's a retard is the one who dragged some hypotheticals about the Star Phantoms into an argument over the Carcharodons that had long been laid to rest.
>>44335367
Just stop.
>>44335367
Because they are equivalent. In 2012 when HH did not exist and IA10 was still relatively new, all you knew was Star Phantoms were stated to be possibly DA in the text itself, same with Carcharodons being RG.
There is no "prooof" of either, but to call Carcharodons NL or Star Phantoms LW in 2012 is stupid. Just because FW got sick if your stupidity in 2014 and made Carcharodons CLEARLY RG, doesn't change the fact that Star Phantoms AREN'T LW.
Who is more likely, DA who were PRINTED BY FW THEMSELVES into IA10, or LW WHO AREN'T MENTIONED AT ALL?
And you're an idiot because they already said "pre-HH3" meaning we're assuming pre-2014, for the sake of the comparison, hence learn to read and stop being a dipshit. You know, if that's within your meager mental faculties.
Aren't some Blackshields exactly this? Loyal marines of traitor legions that want to be recognized as far away from their primarch as possible.
>>44338544
Blackshields are a bunch of things, going to be touch on in the next FW HH book.
>>44338544
Well, they'd be some pretty goddamn old marines in that case. Deathwatch wasn't founded until about M33 I think.
>>44343258
Blackshields refer to something slightly different in HH, whether there is any connection is not yet known.
>>44302215
Kharn is still loyal. He's alpha legion.
