So how fucked would tyranids/necrons/orks be if the Imperium teamed up with the Eldar and Tau for good?
Your question is too open, are the 'good' guys just working together? Or are they actually consolidating into one faction, sharing tech, resources etc
>>44280438
Either or?
and when I said "for good" I meant permanently
>>44280397
It would never happen, so it can't be considered in the current 40k setting. Humanity is too far into Xenophobia to even contemplate that. Space marines however we know have been known to mix in with them on occasions.
If the majority of Chapters teamed with the Eldar/Tau, they would be considered renegade with how heavy handed the Imperium is.
>>44280397
>for good
>good
Uh
>>44280397
It wouldn't make much of a difference. They're still beset on all sides.
The highest levels of Eldar and Imperium already kind of work togeather, think the High lords don't have long eared contacts?
We had a thread a while back were the basic thing was to move 40k from Grimdark to Nobledark.
Eldar, Tau, Imperium and a few others like the Demiurge all getting along to some extent.
The universe adapted.
The Tyranids arrived earlier and the main fleet was already here and making inroads in the closing of the Dark Millennium.
Gazkakull was not that exceptional as a warboss. He was just as good as he was but there were more like him. And the elder were trying to get humanity to understand the concept of Brain Boyz because they were pretty sure that they had been witnessed.
Cadia had fallen to Erebus' forces back in the Age of Apostasy. He had a dark and fucked up empire surrounding the Eye of Terror.
The Necrons were well on their way to fully waking up and several large functioning kingdoms of them had formed. Some of them were alright to deal with, most were assholes of the highest order and some were fucking monstrous.
The Chaos elder were a legitimate faction and they conquered Ulthwe.
Eldrad and Emperor were basically Statler and Waldorf.
>>44280656
>What if question
>That wouldn't happen op!
>>44280397
Tau must be exterminates. Teaming up with Eldar wouldn't be too bad and would have sufficed to achieve a lot of things
>>44281366
Sooooo, link to the thread?
The Imperium and the Eldar already do work together though. How much varies from edition to edition, but at worst they have a "enemies of my enemies are my allies" agreement.
Fuck the Tau though. No one likes those little upstart usurping shrimps.
>>44280397
>Were the Tau and the Imperium able to put aside their differences, they could prove to be an unstoppable force in the galaxy
-From the Mont'ka WD
This fluff is directly from the fluff in the WD that came before the Mont'ka book. This answers you question. The enemies of Order would be crushed.
However, the unreasoning xenophobia of the Imperium prevented this glorious future.
>>44282481
Forgot my picture.
>>44282510
They need to play up the Imperium's villainy more. Especially when so many of the unitless minor xenos have one-sentence fluff of "Imperium nearly exterminated their species so now they're helping the Tau specifically so they can hatefuck humanity". When you just have the Imperium and Tau "unable to get over their differences", it sounds like they could easily be friends. But hell, the Imperium should look just as bad as the orks or necrons to the Tau. A bunch of big bad evil expansionist assholes who pose an extreme threat to the Tau Empire.
Eldar, too. When you get right down to it, the Tau shouldn't bother teaming up with anyone. Every major faction that neighbors them is a complete douchebag.
>>44282652
The perfect allies are right under their noseless faces.
How quickly does the Tau/Ork alliance conquer the galaxy /tg/?
>>44282685
>Oi! Wot's dis brighty shoota you gave me?
>It's a pulse rifle, Be'vesa
>Wot's a pulse? Dos dis fing shoot any dakka or not!?
>It's...uh, flashy dakka. Really flashy. You need to fire it often at the Empire's enemies, er... some gits to see it work properly. If you don't hear any dakka, you're not listening hard enough.
>>44282652
too late
Tau don't have minor xenos races anymore. They've all been enslaved and put into gundam mass-production factories.
>>44281530
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/37883146/#37901167
>>44282765
Seriously, no more Kroot and Vespids? That blows.
>>44282481
Were the Tau and Imperium to put aside their differences, for that to make a meaningful contribution the Imperium would have to adopt Tau tech since the Tau lack the numbers to matter on a grand scale, and if the Imperium adopt Tau tech they've dropped the tech heresy policy, and if they do they can simply start improving their own tech without needing the Tau.
>>44280397
So the Tau win as everyone unites for (the Greater) Good?
>>44282965
The thing about tech-heresy is that unchecked technological progress attracts Tzeentch. The Mechanicus' stranglehold on tech development isn't superstition - it is a safety mechanism against Chaos infiltration.
Because grimdark.
>>44283044
So how could the Tau possibly contribute if their only possible contribution just brings greater attention from Tzeentch?
>>44282920
Wait, is this true? That was one of the few interesting things about them.
>>44281257
The eldar conspiracy is real.
>>44283075
I hope not. I loved their little united federation of xenos.
>>44282965
The Imperium lost the ability to truly innovate a long time ago and the Imperials foundations of knowledge are built on lies (straight from the Admech codex).
It would take a long ass time for the Imperium to reform itself. What would be a better alternative for the short term is to funnel resources and manpower to the Tau Empire so that they can produce new technologies and adaptations at a far greater pace than they already do.
>>44283044
Would technological stagnation and decay empower Nurgle then?
>>44283075
>Tau
>interesting
Pick one. And if the only thing making them interesting ismuh multicultural projectthey already blew too hard.
>>44283044
Nope. That's bullshit.
Everything can attract the Chaos Gods. Their attacks are at random and happen on a whim.
Also the Mechanicus beliefs are superstition and idoicy going from their own codex. It was never stated that they do what they do because they fear Chaos. The only thing they fear is Abominable AI.
>>44283126
>comment says Tau have very few interesting traits
>respond as if it said they were interesting
sasuga, anon
>>44283109
Yep. Everything powers one of the gods. There's no way to avoid empowering them without being completely cut off like Necrons and Nids. Even Tau will eventually grow out of their special snowflake negligence of the ruinous powers and advance to a population large enough to feed Chaos just like humans and Eldar.
As for Nurgle and Tzeentch, it's better to empower the god who's fine with you staying the course than the god who's change might completely exterminate your way of life or worse.
>>44282685
Mercenaries, at best.
You might wring that out of some Free Bootas or enterprising Lootas, but you could never command the level of "don't ruin everything and start a Wauugh" to make them good little citizens of the Tau Empire.
Nobody could.
That, or they actively stole that shit because it was Shooty/their old guns broke.
>>44283044
Still the lesser of evils, since it's innovation and not using mass-produced weapons which attracts Tzeentch. I mean, let's say inventing the AK attracted Tzeentch: okay, that's to a pretty minor degree, because having a sector explode with every new innovation would mean nobody ever advanced past using sticks as tools. That they then produce billions and billions of said newly innovated weapon can't reasonably (lol40K) attract Tzeentch, because every weapon currently in use is a result of innovation in the first place. The Imperium just fucking sucks at balancing gain and harm: knowing about the Warp Gods may strengthen those very Gods, but telling a guy like Magnus doesn't mean many more know about it but the amount of damage his prodigious powers may lead to due to his ignorance is vastly reduced.
>>44283101
But to do so they would require even more time-consuming policy changes, since it deals with not just tech heresy policy but also xeno policy.
>>44282920
>>44283075
>>44283086
He's avin a giggle about how the last two codex updates have forgone introducing additional auxiliary units in favour of more - and bigger - battlesuits. They actually have added several new races to the empire, but as fluff only.
>>44283205
The only guys who want more Xenos races added to the Tau aren't really Tau fans, I noticed that.
>>44283237
That'd be what makes them "Tau fans" and not "[auxiliary unit] fans".
>>44283183
Globetrotter that up, son. Tau would try to convert the orks, only to eventually dismantle their Empire and become a bigger part of the green-blue tide conquering the galaxy. Worked out fine for Blue. Tau just need to give up on this twiggy eldar "civilization" garbage and join a real WAAAGH!!!
>>44280397
It would snowball.
At first, it'd be a good situation. Less pointless death, less resources funneled towards ultimately foolish goals, etc. The real benefits would start coming down the pipeline as the uneasy start to an alliance like this begins to settle into the collective consciousness of these species are the way things are. Without outright hostility, cultural taboos begin to erode, and eventually actual trade could take place. The Imperium's ailing infrastructure could benefit greatly from partaking in the technology and methodology from the Eldar and Tau, to say little of the military opportunities of such a thing. Imagine Tau-like tech being manufactured on the scale the Imperium can muster. Every guardsman now has a pulse rifle. Bolters are now HEAVY pulse rifles. Sanctioned psykers and Librarians get access to stuff designed with superior Eldar knowledge of Warp interactions, and the navies of all three factions can now traverse the Webway. Additionally, the better technology and cultural trade brought by these civilizations would stem one of the most powerful forces working for the Ruinous Powers - the abject suffering the Imperium inflicts upon its own population.
Basically it'd start off good and get better. And all the bad guy factions would be completely fucked. Except orks, orks are eternal.
That's like saying that an Eldar actually, really loves this one human chick and her death breaks him so hard, that time can't heal wounds.
That's impossible as a neckbeard to stop inhaling cheetos and start doing sports and learn some good behaviour and routine.Actually, it is possible, but you guys are happy to be miserable.
And so must be everyone else, too in your eyes.
>>44280656
>So how fucked would tyranids/necrons/orks be if the Imperium teamed up with the Eldar and Tau for good?
>if the Imperium
> if
>>44282728
>suddenly the pulse rifles become loud simple through the ork's will.
>>44282481
Ah, then goes most of the grimdarkness of 40K if they were to team up.
The Imperium would have to axe most of it's biggest issues, might slowly resemble the alliance between the UNSC and the Covies.
>>44283237
>I noticed that
Tau came out initially as an army willing to integrate other races as auxiliary military units. Don't pull a scotsman here. It is, or was, an integral part of the faction.
Now it's just more suits. The people who liked, you know, everything else about the tau are being kicked to the curb.
>>44283451
Well, at least they still have allies of desperation and convenience with most of the other factions. Giving them allies and fluffing a xenos federation is still pretty easy for them.
>>44280397
>Tau
Contribute nothing senpai.
>Eldar
Imperium Ships?
With webway?
I think the better question is if anybody stands a chance.
>>44283451
Ain't no Scotsman.
I have been in the company of Krootfags and other Xenos dudes. They hate the Tau guts but fawn over the Kroot.
I imagine the crazier necrons would just facilitate the rebirth of a complete c'tan in the event of their own total defeat, so everyone's fucked pretty much.
>>44280938
This, mostly.
It's a really stupid [approximately weekly] question because "canon" Crons/ Nids/ Orks can swarm "without number," but OP won't accept that his gradeschool WHAT IF fantasies are "fucked" by the unbeatable combo of GW's asspull and 40k's static setting. Nothing personnel, kiddo.
>>44282685
Read the codex. They encountered Orks early on, failed miserably at trying to make allies of them because they're Orks, and have been fighting them on and off ever since.
What about the rak gol?
>>44285404
They must have did it incorrectly.
During the times of the War in Heaven, Necrons enslaved tribes of Orks and used them to build their temples,
>>44280734
Meaning permanently friendo.
>>44283126
Tau was interesting because it was the only faction in WH40k that did any thinking about how to win this war and have a good strategy. Too bad GW is pants on head reatrded and wont move the other races clouser to the Tau way of thought, instead they are fucking up the only fun side of the conflict
>>44283071
They have no warp presence.
>>44283109
Tau was interesting because it was the only faction in WH40k that did any thinking about how to win this war and have a good strategy. Too bad GW is pants on head reatrded and wont move the other races clouser to the Tau way of thought, instead they are fucking up the only fun side of the conflict
>>44283130
The Khamrians will rise again
>>44283416
>>suddenly the pulse rifles become loud simple through the ork's will.
and they never miss because aren't the pulses blue?
>>44285970
yup
>>44282685
They win instantly, because everyone realizes how fucked they are and surrender
Even Tyranids.
So if Ork/Tyranid was a thing...
>>44286085
>the chaos gods promptly apologize to both the eldar and imperium
>>44285705
So they're just gonna hand their weapons over and the Imperium just uses it without asking about how it works? Because that'd be a great way for the Tau to be either enslaved for their knowledge and lack of Warp presence, or politically prominent enough to take over the Imperium due to sitting on the information vital for the Imperiums' future.
>>44286105
>Turns out Slaanesh was only after Eldrad, the only dick big enough to please her/him/they/it/tumblr all this time
>>44283340
We'd get to see Tau and Human hybrids.
>>44286460
>they procreate, making a new race
>the new SPACE CONFEDERACY BEGINS
>Nids get blow the fudge out
>>44286657
lewd
>>44283671
To be honest, Eldar ships are superior in every way. Ever played Gothic?
You'd want to give the Eldar more planets so they can pump out their badass ships on a massive scale.
