<> Mana Edition
>RESOURCES
http://www.mtgcommander.net
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http://www.tappedout.net
>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.
http://www.edhrec.com/
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://manabasecrafter.com/
>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
CARD SEARCHING
http://gatherer.com
>Official search site. Current for all sets.
http://www.magiccards.info
>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface.
First for anuses.
Second for hype about 6th mana color
>>44276322
Is Aurelia in Zendikar? If not why ist she there?
>>44276362
Posting my question here now >>44276396
Buy command beacons now or wait for a price drop.? Will there even be a price drop?
>>44276414
She's not a planeswalker. She can't travel out of Ravnica.
>>44276433
Holy shit, why are they going for $8?
>>44274469
Thanks for the advice! Unfortunately, Scroll Rack and Enlightened Tutor are a little outside my price range and Land Tax (non-judge version) hurts me aesthetically. And it's racist. I'll consider Mind's Eye.
Commune With Lava though, that's pretty cool and I hadn't considered it. Since Basandra asks that I keep a few {R} up on opponent's turns it'd be nice to have instant-speed CA engines available. Thanks.
>>44274705
>>44274737
Hey so I'm planning out my own Sunforger packages and I noticed you were lacking Tithe, Faith's Reward, and Arcbond. Arcbond in particular combos nicely with 2 Indestructible creatures, Wild Ricochet, and having a higher life total than other players but I understand that's quite a bit of setup. Any thoughts on those 3 cards?
>>44276414
Perhaps you're thinking of Iona? There are no white mythics so she's surely the last one to be spoiled
Sheldor didnt do nuffin wrong
>>44276322ANUS :^)
>>44276554
(TRIGGERED)
>>44276470
>And it's racist
...? Against the Dutch?
>>44276438
But didt she say she would help Gideon against the eldrazi? And couldt she hitch a ride with him or something? When she said she would help him against them I just thought she would be there in Zendikar or something.
>>44276470
On that note if they dont have Iona I will be a bit angry.
>>44276585
>this gif
That's how we used to play Hymn to Tourach. Good times.
>>44276667
as I understand after the fuckery that happened during time spiral the way planewalking works was altered and it's impossible to carry someone with you when you walk now, so I have no idea how aurelia would help gideon with the eldrazi. then again I might be wrong, it's been a really long time since I read this shit.
>>44276667
I don't know any of this shit because I'm not a lorefag, but if a new Aurelia card were to show up in Oath of the Gatewatch, I'd be extremely happy. Just seems unlikely.
Just ordered a Sheoldred for my Meren deck.
What do you guys run for your 7cmc Pod targets?
Dunno if I should drop Scourge of Nel Toth or Maul Splicer for it.
Scourge is pretty cool because it's a sac engine even if it is clunky and also has flying, Maul Splicer can net me cards with Skullclamp
Butcher of Malakir is in the deck too. Dunno if I wanna cut him or not.
>>44276586
I misspoke, the character in the art isn't obviously Jewish but it is some horrendous artwork nonetheless
>>44275937
Probably Shirei if you go with shadowborn apostles or Chainer for just straight up monoblack reanimator.
>>44276747
Who cares if he is Jewish though?
>>44276747
I agree that the art is awful but when a card is that good, you sometimes have to look past that.
Which makes me wonder if "Land Tax sucks" anon is still around. Those were some dumb but entertaining arguments.
>>44276721
why do you even care about the cmc?
The only real challenge is getting to 5. From there you're bound to get enough exp counters from there on to make tracking exp not even matter. and get rid of the butcher of malakir.
Here they are. At least what they are for now.
>>44276721
good pod targets at 7 are avenger, butcher, fell shepherd, hornet queen, black primordial,doomgapewith situational ones being sutured ghoul,
spearbreaker behemoth, the devotion demon guy who makes harpies and pentavus. i'm assuming G/B
>>44276852
I care about cmc because if I wanna sac a titan or something at 6cmc I can potentially bring it back with Meren in the end step and nab myself a higher costing dude with Birthing Pod. Then eventually sac the 7cmc for that one huge elephant or Woodfall Primus.
>>44276852
>Pod targets
That's why he cares about CMC.
>>44276906
>Pod targets
fuck I can't read. My bad
>>44276905
looks like for 6 cmc in my deck I got scuttling doom engine and nemesis of motals
7cmc Scourge of Nel Toth and caller of the pack
8 Terrestodon
9cmc above fucking nothing
>>44276721
I like Mauler and Scourage
get rid of butcher for sure
>>44276887
Oh shit. I thought Pentavus was 5cmc. He might be fun since I'm still running Mazirek along with Corpsejack Menace
The Primordial seems rad too. Thanks, yo.
>>44276996
no prob, also depending on how stacked your deck is garruk's horde is a good cmc7 guy too he does wonders in my ruric thar
>>44276996
Ever since I first played Pentavus in the Daretti precon, that card has consistently performed above expectations. It's not great or anything, it doesn't go in every deck, but it's a card I initially rated at "meh" and now consider pretty good.
>>44276747
judaism isn't a race, and you can't identify a jew by facial features you anti-semite.
![images[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BkWQuIY.jpg "images[1].jpg")
>he has a spell slinging deck
Most of the time these are boring and derivative. I challenge you to post a fun to play against and unique spell slinging deck that isn'ta worse version of my Toshiro Umezawa Spell slinging deck.
Hard mode: make it fun, unique, and izzet (Pro tip, you can't, because izzet is the most boring color combination at this point).
>>44276823
That argument was fucking ridiculous.
I think it started with an anon saying that white had one of the best draw spells, then other anon countered by saying land tax was bad, then fucking hell broke lose and other anon just couldn't admit that he said something stupid.
>Spend 5-6 hour perfecting my new ezuri deck, get knocked out first
>play budget tajic aggro and win the match
I mean a win is a win but how the fuck does a shitty W/R weenie deck beat a control, burn, and daretti deck?
>>44277428
Politics.
>>44277415
I jumped in that argument halfway through, I didn't know it started with someone saying white had the best draw spells. That makes it even funnier. Gotta love arguments where both sides are somehow equally retarded.(eg. most arguments in these generals)
>>44277428
This is the curse of EDH
>Play super pimped Titania
>Get shit on in every way possible
>Switch to janky as fuck sea monsters deck
>Dominate the table like I'm the star of some creepy Japanese porno
Anyone here playing U/G Ezuri? Been trying to build a list to pubstomp at the LGS but I can't think of anything outside of U/G goodstuff (which is kind of meh) and elfball featuring counterspells
>>44277428
Ezuri elfball? Or Ezuri claw of progress? And you should know the answer, if its claw of progress, that deck gets crazy fast, is U/G, so its gonna get alot of hate. Unlike Tajic.
I get singled with my Aurelia deck alot more often then my Anefenza deck.
>>44277428
Shitty threat assessment, or politics, or everything else the other players were doing was so much higher in power level than what you were doing, they spent all their interaction on each others letting you steal a win.
I know this happens often with my Aurelia deck. The strategy's weakness can sort of be its strenght, you're so shitty no one bothers you.
>>44277494
Thats what I do with my Aurelia deck, but just having her in the command zone, without ever casting her, makes me threat number one for all time. Even when fucking Rafiq is out.
>>44277465
Claw of progress. I guess it gets crazy fast but it all depends on the draw, guy running this fuck won that game cause daretti player directed hate towards ezuri
>>44277428
Politics are a huge deal in EDH. The more of a threat you appear to be, the more hate you attract. Unless you have a very strong and resilient aggro deck with some way of gaining global haste, you will simply draw too much hate to function if you make yourself a high-profile threat.
I've noticed that a lot of the time, I perform better when I'm using commanders that are inherently less threatening - for example, Dragonlord Ojutai does better than Grand Arbiter because people are scared of Grand Arbiter but underestimate the hexproof flier that wins through commander damage.
>>44277546
Happened to me earlier this week, the Rafiq player went unhindered through the entire game, I got my Aurelia immediately removed, a fucking Boros Signet Krosan Grip'd just so I couldn't recast her.
At that point, there was a Rafiq, a Zurgo and a 7/7 Dromoka on board. I had nothing going on. But they were somehow convinced if I managed to spend 8 mana to recast Aurelia, they'd immediately all die somehow.
>>44277450
I don't think he said white had *the* best draw spell, but had just mentioned that white had one of the best draw spells, referring to land tax. Then the dude started saying land tax was bad and people should play like inheritance instead or some shit like that and just wouldn't back down. It was a clusterfuck.
>>44277608
One of the reasons why I only play with my friends. I can call them out on their stupidity.
>>44277590
To be fair GAIV is kinda unfun to play against.
>>44277608
That's the fucking worst. I don't even know what to say to threat assessment that bad.
>>44277608
That's the best though. The best EDH games are the ones where you fight through all the disruption. I fucking love it when I turn the game into archenemy without the schemes and win.
>>44277616
That thread was amazing, best sperg since the Wydwen is the worst UB general ever printed guy and Angelic footfetish spammer (with a 10/10 cosplaying gf)
>>44277723
I like the headhunter wars and "recurring insight is the best blue card ever printed" guy.You should get the packs for casting tainted strike.
>>44277751
>that spoiler
>>44277751
>>44277723
never forget
>>44277802
Good times.
>>44277802
I wonder if that guy still posts here, or if even as an Anonymous poster the shame was too great.
>>44277616
The Inheritance part was the best. I actually tried playing with that card. It's even worse than you think.
>>44277802
I made that image and it was used against me once when I sperged out on something. It was a sobering experience.
So whats going on with the lore right now?
>>44278048
Exciting and dynamic Planeswalkers are being shoved to the forefront of everything! Instead of shitty boring stories about unique and interesting planes, and the beings that inhabit them, we get a fascinating group of generic and forgettable heroes who return to old plane after old plane to kill any vestige of good lore or interesting game mechanics that remained.
>>44278090
Khans was mostly about the plans though.
So I got into a debate earlier tonight with a friend, and I gotta ask.
Does a devoid creature get effected by a lord?
Does Gen Elendra Liege hit Sire of Stagnation?
I'm saying no since it ahs devoid, and isn't blue or back outside of color identidy, but he's still saying otherwise.
Am I an Idiot or is he? give me a hand here /EDHCG/.
>>44278105
Ah, how could I forget the amazing story that retconned itself midway through, starring such well written and exiting characters as Tranny, Autism, and that Dragon guy.
My bad bro, Magic lore is the best it's ever been.
>>44278162
you spelled "exciting" wrong
also Tarkir was awesome
>>44277428
I know that feeling.
Every time I play with my pimped out $300+ Selesnya Token deck I am always without any hesitation taken down first, with both friends and guys at my LGS. Shaman of Forgotten Ways + Serra Avatar or at least a small army is really the best chances of me winning now. Last resort is to just shit out the biggest army before T8 or T10 and play Armageddon on them assholes. Probably the biggest problem for me is that I'm always ramping the fastest and everyone thinks I'm going after them.
Decided to make a Chandra Burn and Narset with Superfriends out of my scraps and suddenly I'm winning again.
I don't even know anymore, I just cry.
>>44278185
sorry, I was trying to one up the story about the plans.
>>44278194
>pimped out
>$300+
>>44278048
Gideon and his friends managed to trap ulamog only for ob nixilis to break the hedrons for gas money and released kozilek. Also chandra decided to go to zendikar because gideonand I hope the zendikarians win because I hated new phyrexia
>>44278112
He's an idiot. Says right there on the card that it has no colors. Liege won't boost it.
>>44278236
>chandra decided to go to zendikar because gideon
shipperfags are the worst
>>44278256
I hope you're not accusing me of being a shipper. I just remember the one thing where gideon asked chandra for help and she refused but changed mind because of gideon or something to do with nicol bolas
>>44278293
Chandra changed her mind because she felt helping Zendikar was the most important thing to her and she couldn't just let her friends do all the fighting.
>>44278185
>muh loopholes
>muh lazy writing
That's two you owe me, kid.
>>44278380
>Ugin
>Sorin
>Sarkhan Vol
>Bolas
>>44278501
Bolas isn't even a good characteranymore, he constantly pulls things out of his sleeves and he never runs out of sleeves.
>Primeval Titan and Sylvan Primordial still banned
>>44277464
anybody? ._.
>>44278586
>I enjoy games devolving into clone/steal/reanimate this thing
Why anon? Why?
>>44278574
It's all going according to the keikaku
With Oath of the Gatewatch introducing colorless basic lands, I have been toying with the idea of coming up with a budget colorless EDH deck. However, I have no idea what to do for it.
Can anyone please provide suggestions? Budget is around $60.
>>44278647
Because this shit doesn't happen with cards like Consecrated Sphinx, right? I agree with that Anon, atleast one should get unbanned.
>>44278758
No, it does. But at least the sphinx isn't blowing up lands and gets no benefit out of being flickered 500 times
>>44278713
Play pauper.
>>44278820
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>>44278380
point out three different loopholes and i will believe youi already believe the lazy writing
>>44276871
>Sidisi
>Life Drain
>not Ooze combo with a tutor in the command zone
>>44277451
How multiplayer EDH should go.
Anyone have a problem where you keep improving your deck to a point where it's too competitive for your group?
>>44278977
one is all you need since the world in DTK wouldn't exist given that sarkhan traveled back and butterflied the shit out of ancient tarkir letting dragons to continue to exist hence he wouldn't have been manipulated by bolas because he had dragons to worship and would never even had set on to reverse the fate of tarkir.
also timeshifted khans were cool but highly improbable (plus no narset equivalent in dtk so fuck wizards)
>>44276554
The Edge Land
>>44277751
>"recurring insight is the best blue card ever printed" guy.
I don't remember that argument. How did that go down?
>>44277893
>I made that image and it was used against me once when I sperged out on something. It was a sobering experience.
That's actually pretty funny.
You know, when you get down to it, there are really only a few handfuls of people who regularly participate in these threads. It's weird to think that we've all probably sperged out on each other at some point and bro fisted each other on occasion too.
>>44279482
I play French, I don't think I brofisted someone here.
>tfw black sheep of black sheeps
>>44278162
Honestly, I didn't like a lot of the old lore any more than this new lore.
Urza? Weatherlight? Clusterfuck of boring shit if you ask me. Yet I'll never admit that to my magic friends.
>>44279037
>That feel
At this point, I can only play like half of my decks without the rest of my casual group groaning. All of the decks I've made recently have been a tier higher than the group generally plays at and it's suffering, since all I want to do is play with my new decks and my group hates them.
>>44278780
>Acting like LD is bad.
Why anon? Why?
>>44279505
Ugh, don't talk to me, Frenchy.
>>44279037
I think a lot of groups go through that. If you catch yourself doing it and don't like it, you can always tone it down a bit. Maybe use a couple of those fringe cards that you wanted to play but got cut from the list.
I'm trying to make Ixidor, Reality Sculptor work as a viable commander, but I'm stuck for wincons save for the Pickles lock combo. Anyone have any ideas for other wincons in mono blue?
>>44276322
Post your decks, folks.
I could use some help with my Scion Dragon Tribal deck:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/five-color-dragons-new/
Since the mana curve is so high and it's five color, it obviously needs to run a lot of lands, so that I don't miss land drops. However, at the moment there are a lot of lands that come into play tapped (around fifteen?). My usual line of play is to partial paris mulligan away anything that isn't lands, ramp, fixing or card draw, and spend the first few turns just setting up some mana to get started. What are some ways to give me more flexibility and speed in doing so? I have two fetchlands and two BFZ duals I haven't put into the deck yet, what should I take out for it? The bouncelands, maybe? Some of the ten tri-lands? And what's your opinions on the Alara Panoramas, in place of a few of the tri-lands?
Also I've been thinking of putting some stuff in the deck that lets me dump lands from my hand faster. Things like Sakura-Tribe Scout, Budoka Gardener, Skyshroud Ranger, Walking Atlas, Manabond, Burgeoning and Exploration. Any tips on how many to use, and what to take out for that? Since my starting hand usually consists mostly of land and ramp anyway, I don't mind dumping my hand, since I can just tutor up Dragon Mage to draw seven again.
>>44279507
Brother's War was the shit. It's gone south from there.
>>44279546
But the problem is, when you play with circumcized deck, the whole time there is this "this could've been a lot better" feel. It's like using your Dark Rituals as bookmark.
Here's my Ghave, I've posted it before but nobody helped me. He's fine, but there's something lacking and I have no idea of what it could be.http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ghave-guru-of-synergy-1/
>>44279573
Can I see your Brago list? Blinking effects on demand seem fun.
I like the pseudo fetchlands since they can look for certain non-basics and they clean your deck. You could add a Mana Vault to help you ramp, Buried Alive/Entomband some reanimate effects to help you play big threats faster. I think the ones you have in your deck are too expensive.
Cut Feldon's Cane and Surrak's Dragonclaw for a Mana Vault and whatever else you want imo.
>>44279730
>>44279573
Any Brago list should include the infinite flicker combo.
>>44278162
Daily reminder that oldwalkers were ageless m genderfluid autistslike, really. Elf Hitler, Autism Borther, Furrybait, Edge mc Edgy, Edge mcEdgy2, Nicol "Keiakku" Bolas, muh whiteness Serra.
>>44279730
>>44279748
I can give you what I still have.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bragoshiz/
This is a rough sketch made by throwing a few cards I had together, and some jank I decided to proxy until I decided to actually build the deck for real. Cause I wanted to try the strategy out first before getting all the cards, after I played UW fliers in a conspiracy draft and Brago wrecked so much ass that I fell in love with the blinking. I ended up not finishing the deck and abandoning it because, while flickering shit was super fun for me, my turns sometimes took up to ten minutes, with my friends getting bored and frustrated, and while I was hard to kill, I didn't really have much of an on-the-spot win condition except grinding value over a long game or comboing out with the Strionic Resonator. Nonetheless Brago is a pretty cool dude to get value from.
Brago's best friends are, besides ETB creatures like Mulldrifter and friends, mana rocks and planeswalkers. Tap the mana rocks to cast spells before combat, then attack and blink all your mana to use again! Similarly, cast Elspeth of Venser, wipe out all big creatures or make your stuff unblockable respectively, then swing with Brago, flicker the walkers, then +1 them to make some soldier dudes or flicker something again. It's pretty powerful. I think the best creature in the deck is Body Double, because with him on the board, you basically have access to any ETB effect you need in any raveyard, and that is super, super powerful.
You'll find a few dumb pet cards in the list I linked, like Will of the Council counterspells or Shifting Loyalties, but you can ignore those.
>>44279773
That was kind of the point. The planeswalker story was "You've ascended to godhood, mortality is far behind you: what next?".
>>44279730
I'm sorry, but what cards do you mean by pseudo-fetchlands that can get me certain nonbasics? I only have two actual fetchlands that do get me duals and shocks. Panoramas would be neat, but they don't get me nonbasics.
In terms of reanimate effects; expensive stuff like Profound Journey is definitely on the cutting block for something like Unburial Rites. Buried alive is an option, however that's a function that I've got built into my commander already, so I'll have to try around some stuff. Maybe getting the cheapest and most efficient reanimation enablers is a way to add some grease to the deck, thanks.
>>44279852
I always thought the panoramas let you fetch a forest, mountain, etc, but they fetch BASIC lands only. My bad.Glad I was able to help you a little anyway
>>44276459
>Avoid tax without having to play Derevi
>Phage tech
>In a single popular precon
Gee
Any must have cards for a karrthus voltron deck?
>>44280327
Why Karrthus tron? That's... shit. Like, there's actual Jund tron guys. His abilities aren't for tron.
>>44280352
Oh, I just thought with 7 power in the air he'd be an okay general. I also love his design, so there's that.
Who would you recommend as a jund voltron commander then?
>>44280461
Not that guy, but Kresh the Bloodbraided looks like a huge beater.
Can someone post the multi-edh Kazuul control deck that was here yesterday?
It seemed interesting but i couldn't take a good look at the list.
>>44280662
Nevermind, found it.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-great-kazuul-edh/
>>44279573
>>44276782
>>44278600
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-12-15-OFg-newzuri/
There's my list. It's French-legal, so no Sol Ring.
>>44279515
Not the same guy, but LD is fine and necessary sometimes. But instant speed flickering for instant speed LD with ramp tacked on is excessive.
This is my current Anefenza counter shenagins deck, is there anything I am missing? The cards in the maybeboard are the cards I want but I am missing. I dont know what to remove out for them either. Should I also get Archangel of thune?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/outlast-is-not-junk/
This may be a stupid question but:
If Grenzo is 13/13 and he puts Kozilek into my graveyard, does Kozilek go to the battlefield or get shuffled in?
I always thought that Grenzo's effect would finish resolving, putting Kozilek onto the battlefield, and THEN Kozilek's ability would start to resolve, shuffling my graveyard into my library. I'm starting to doubt myself, though.
I know this wouldn't work with Blightsteel Colossus because he has a replacement effect, not a triggered ability, so it would never even enter the graveyard.
>>44281937
Kozilek should go to the battlefield as his ability is a trigger. The ability triggers but can't enter the stack as long as Grenzo's ability is resolving, so by the time it does so Kozilek is already on the board.
>>44282149
Alright, that's exactly what I thought. Thank you!
>>44277893
>The Inheritance part was the best. I actually tried playing with that card. It's even worse than you think.
Inheritance is an option in Mono-white if you need draw, but only if you've exhausted good cards and need an alternative.
>>44281937
Nice names!
>>44280243
Cool. Not worth $8.
>>44282843
when you literally have to spend $35-40 just to get 1 and there is no other printed source: yeah, it is.
If I'm running 27 non-creature, non-lands in my Meren list and 36 creatures, would Birthing Pod be better than Evolutionary Leap? I'm not sure if sending the non-creatures to the bottom of my library would hurt me very much or not, considering I could be sending things like Smokestack, Phyrexian Arena, or Winter Orb to the bottom.
My roommate is terrible at threat assessment. He's also a metafuckingmunchkin that will waste resources trying to kill me even if I have the worst board state and the Oona player is building a small army and milling half my library because he's "seen what my deck can do."
Yeah I can't combo out when half of my pieces are now exiled you retard.
It's a pity because if he had slugged Oona he would've had a 60:40 win chance against me. Hitting me dropped him to about 20:80 I think, and he lost hard.
Pity my old group is an hour away.
>>44279645
Not really. It's it that much fun having a deck that gets your friends frustrated?
I see it as an opportunity to explore different cards and strategies. There are always less powerful cards that I'd love to use but always end up getting cut.
>>44282843
>>44283051
Well, it's only worth $8 on starcity who tend to heavily inflate their prices. No, it's not worth $8 and I expect it to go down in the future.
>>44283295
http://shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/commander-2015/command-beacon
median price on TCGplayer is $12
congrats, you found the only card that SCG isn't trying to jew people with
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/05-12-15-intet-the-dreamer-edh/
Tell me how bad my deck is. Tell me I'm a bad deck builder.
>>44283409
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/05-12-15-intet-the-dreamer-edh/
this deck is fucking shit you dirty little scrub slut, did you even try? you're such a shit deck builder, now strip you don't deserve to wear people clothes
how was that?
>>44283425
Too sudden, needs a better developing until the conclusion, that is to say, the stripping. 6/10 bullying.
>>44283477
shut up and take em off nerd
>>44281936
>Outlast is not Junk!
>in a junk deck
kekSoon people won't even remember Junk.
>>44283425
>>44283703
Now do it again while pretending to be a cute cat girl.
>>44283746
Now, now, don't be mean calling that poor anon's deck poor quality, it's a perfectly fine Abzan deck, not garbage.
>>44283409
I've seen better developed ideas from the rules committee and better decklists from intro packs. You think you stand a chance with topdeck manipulation that bad? Son, I don't even see...
>opens your decklist now
I don't even see Crystal Ball, Ponder, Brainstorm, Mystic Speculation, or enough mana ramp to keep you in the game! And if I had to suggest cuts for your miserable excuse for a "list," I'd say
>tabs back
Wanderer's Twig, Bathe in Dragonfire, Furnace Whelp, Commune With Nature, Threaten, Volcanic Rush, and Chromatic Sphere.
All in all, shitstain, nothing on God's sparkling green earth could possibly save that disgusting pile of cards you found in a dumpster next to your mother's shopping bag full of used condoms.Solid and fun concept: could use better execution. Hope this helped, and I'm sorry for insulting you and your mom. I'm sure she's a nice lady.
>>44283409
If you're playing in a super casual environment I'll give these a pass, but Scion of Ugin, Shivan Dragon, flamewake pheonix, furnace whelp, shivan hellkite, and a lot of your other creatures are hilariously weak in the format.
Again though, If your playgroup is hyper casual with the same caliber of cards, go ahead. Just know these cards are very, very low power in a 40 life multiplayer format.
>>44277450
And let's not forget the required 50 posts per thread of people who get anal blasted over the rules comittee and the people telling them to get over it.
>>44283878
What would you recommend while keeping in with the theme of the deck, which is Dragons?
>>44276871
>>44279573
>>44280893
>>44281937
>28 commanders
>2 of them are pre modern area
Fucking kids. This is why edh will die.
>>44276823
Oh yeah, I remember that. What exactly were his arguments?
In mono white it doesn't help as much because you're not going to have to worry much about getting mana screwed, but even then consistent land draw and deck-thinning is great.
>>44284284
Sorry nobody wants to play with your Gabriel Angelfire deck anon but modern cards are just better
>>44284284
Most playable legendary creatures are in a Modern frame. The majority of old legends were shit. Deal with it.
>>44284331
It basically boiled down to "drawing lands is not drawing cards, lands are irrelevant after turn 4 or so". Because he apparently never found himself wanting to draw lands at any point in his Magic career.
I don't know, I like being able to consistently hit land drops through the whole game, especially if I'm casting MLD.
>>44284284
Tell you what, you buy me a Rasputin Dreamweaver and I'll build the deck.
>>44284284
buy me an angus mackenzie and i'll build a premodern deck 4u
>>44284160
Off the top of my head? Utvara hellkite, stormbreath dragon, dragon mage, hellkite tyrant, moonveil dragon, balefire dragon, scourge of valkas, steel hellkite, tyrant's familiar.
I've tried to make RUG dragons work before but blue doesn't really add enough to the mix. You kinda either have to stay mono-red, go full WUBRG scion of the ur-dragon, or make a midrange deck where dragons just happen to be your beaters.
Intet is a fun card, I'll admit, but its hard to build around.
>>44284284
Honestly, the thing is that most premodern commanders aren't overly interesting, and most of the ones that ARE are from right before the modern border
>>44284331
Basically he was saying that drawing three extra cards per turn for one mana is bad because they are lands. He was spilling his spaghetti all over the thread.
>>44284643
Drawing three lands per turn is already immensely powerful for a one mana enchantment. Add some topdeck manipulation with that and it becomes insane. It also synergizes just as well with aggro-MLD strategies as it does with control strategies. Land Tax is great, but goddamn I wish the art wasn't so bad.
>>44284705
The judge promo is pretty sexy. I got one a while ago for pretty cheap.
>it's been six months
>still too scared to go to local card shop
>>44284841
What happened?
>>44284958
i posted in this thread six months ago about being scared to go to a local card shop
>>44277616
>>44277450
>>44277415
I wouldn't call Land Tax a "draw spell", rather it's a Lay of the Land effect on steroids.
>>44284989
r8 my splinter twin build guys. i still need to add about 15 cards. Critique appreciated. I included 3 temur legendaries to swap the dude at the helm if need be, but the idea is that surrak stops my shit from getting countered so I can save counter spells to protect combo.
>>44285239
damn it
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/temur-twin-edh/
also didn't mean to quote that anon talking about land tax. I think I'm going to go lay down.
My roommate is terrible at threat assessment. He's also a metafuckingmunchkin that will waste resources trying to kill me even if I have the worst board state and the Oona player is building a small army and milling half my library because he's "seen what my deck can do."
Yeah I can't combo out when half of my pieces are now exiled you retard.
It's a pity because if he had slugged Oona he would've had a 60:40 win chance against me. Hitting me dropped him to about 20:80 I think, and he lost hard.
Pity my old group is an hour away.
>>44285239
y not run the actual card splinter twin?
Post horrible cards that turned out decent in your decks.
I played pic related in Anafenza for flavor reasons, it did alright. Then I tried it out in Ephara control and turns out, this little guy's ability to quickly gum up the ground is surprisingly good. It sort of ends up acting like a Sacred Mesa that doesn't demand mana every turn. Won a game entirely thanks to him against Zurgo.
>>44279573
All ten tri-lands is way excessive in my opinion. I'd pick one set or the other for balanced chances of enemy or ally paid of colors. Fetches are top priorities in my 5 colors, but prioritize multi-fetches like Krosan Verge, Myriad landscape and Blighted Woodland the highest.
As for acceleration, I find two distinct routes to come through for me:
A) Azusa, Exploration, etc plus bulk card draw or
B) Cultivate, Eplosive Veggies etc plus graveyard recursion.
Alara tri-lands always feel worse for me in 5-color because they only give you the flexibility once, but come with the same tempo loss as a tri color for a specific color.
Land destruction in your play group is a factor too, obv.
>>44279573
Here's mine. Upcoming decks I got in the works are Sidisi Zombies once I get enough proper cards and eventually Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim because she seems rad. Considering Mazirek too but I'm not 100% sure because if I do that I'll have a shitload of saccy decks.
>>44284968
What it's not like they're going to mug you and then make you a sex slave
>>44286000
you can never be too careful
>>44286016
Anxiety disorder? I get you. But avoiding stressful situation is only making things worse in the long run. After a while I could no longer even play online games following this avoidance coping pattern. Just go there and have fun, it will get easier every time. I believe in you anon.
>>44284989
It's a draw spell in a loose sense of the term. It puts extra cards into your hand. I mean something like Dark Confidant isn't technically a draw effect either, but it's close enough.
>>44286249
It's sort of a draw spell but also not really. It's not going to help you if you have only lands in hand to draw more lands, but it does have an actually relevant deck thinning effect, makes your other draws better, lets you hit your land drop every turn. Drawing lands isn't exciting but generally, over the course of a game of EDH, you want to draw lands fairly regularly. Land Tax helps immensely with that. It's also cool that it completely fills up your hand which can let you discard good stuff to reanimate, or makes your wheels / scroll rack activations / brainstorms much much better.
Anyone know of some reliable alt-art vendors that are reasonably priced? I've been looking for a different version of several cards because their default art is fugly as hell. Tournament legality not necessary. They just need to be sleeved like any other card.
>Sol Ring will never be banned
I still can't get over it.
>>44286496
I was really hoping they'd kneejerk declare ◇ as a color identity and accidentally ban Sol Ring in the process.
>>44276887
why does everyone have a hard on for avenger? the times ive seen it get played it gets jobbed harder than lancer class. really, it makes for a sad thing to see when someone gets 20 tokens and they laugh maniacally while someone casts a massacre wurm
>>44285586
because I forgot to add it to the list for some strange reason
>>44277451
you have my attention. post decklist for tentacle hentai deck?
>>44286564
Avenger is a card with a very high ceiling if you can protect it late-game, which is why it's especially good in UG. Not my favorite finisher, it can backfire pretty hard as you mentioned, but it can potentially turn an empty board into one that wins you the game and that's good for one card.
What's a better turn 1 Enlightened Tutor target? Land tax or sol ring?
>>44286669
Your hand will decide that.
>>44286564
It's not generally something I'd run, but I think in Meren it's really strong. In mine and a lot of other Meren decks, you need sac fodder. If you're playing more staxy, the tokens are great for dispensible fodder to Smokestack and the like. You can also get more just by recurring Avenger at the end of turn if you so desire. Even if you're not playing stax, the value of things like Grave Pact make them hard to pass up, so with an easy sac device like Ashnod's Altar, Avenger can help easily clear fields in a single turn.
>>44284584
I actually do have Scourge of Valkas in there. But I do have those other dragons already on a "to buy when you have money" list.
Anyways, I'll keep the rest of that in mind. I don't need a powerful, hyper competitive deck. Or atleast I don't need this to be one.
Obviously Mana Crypt and Sol Ring need a ban. Unfortunately, Sheldon hates either EDH or poor people. We know this.
But! A similar card I don't see discussed often:
Does Mana Vault deserve a ban?
>>44287586
Mana Vault is more often a ritual than ramp, unless you run shenanigans to untap it easily.
>>44287586
It's a colorless Dark Ritual that's abusable in certain decks or combos.
Ban Derevi and Rings before thinking about Vault.
>>44279748
The times that I have had everyone so worried because I had the infinite flicker combo but all I could do with it is generate infinite colourless mana that u lost at end of combat
>>44288067
Run more permanents that cantrip. Infinite mana draws you into Blue Sun's Zenith or somesuch, which instantly turns into the game being over for everyone but you.
Do you guys think Kamigawa would have been received better had it not been released right after Mirrodin?
>>44287586
Sol Ring does not need a ban. If you can't deal with Sol Ring then you're a shit player who cannot into Magic.
>>44288292
I don't think so, kamigawa is literally the epitome of parasitism in MTG. being released adjacent to what was probably one of the most powerful blocks in magic history helped shine a glaring spotlight on all the flaws, but the flaws would have been ill-received regardless.
>>44288292
I think it wouldve been recieved better if its abilities werent inclusive, but the powerlevel drop didnt help.
Similar thing happened with BFZ with Ingest, Process, Devoid, and Rally. Just keywords that are either not great, restrictive, only work with other things in the same set, or any combination of the above.
>>44288526
Devotion was pretty good mechanic and constellation could've been incredible if they worked it better at the beginning of the set
>>44288346
Lets not have the same argument again. We get it
>theres a lot of ways to answer Sol Ring
>but you wont always have answers
>run more removal
>still doesnt guarantee and eats spots
>ramp harder
>blah
>blah
>blah
Face it, Sol Ring is very powerful in early game and provides a mana boost later in the game. It is a card that can, and often is, run in every deck in every group whose banlist allows it. Cards have been banned for much much less. Does that mean its getting banned? Probably fucking not. Are people still going to bitch thats it not banned? Of fucking course. Does it deserve to be banned? By the criteria of a sane RC, yes, but the RC we have isnt necessarily sane.
In other words, deal with it and bitch about something else or to the RC about it.
>>44285901
yeah, I think so too. Thinking of speeding up my ramp, and shit like cheap ramp spells and fewer taplands is the simplest and most efficient way to go.
>>44288703
But those are Theros mechanics and I was talking about Battle For Zendikar.
I mean, youre not wrong but youre talking on a different wavelength here.
>>44279505
>Play French
>Get shot
Feels bad man
>>44284968
Not trying to be mean, but do you have mental problems? I know a girl with mental problems and she is afraid of people too, it's pretty depressing getting a call about how it's her birthday and she is too afraid to go out and celebrate and she wanted to come over just so she wasn't alone but I was at work and I felt really bad but I wasn't gonna leave work I like my job.
Just go places Anon or you will make people feel really bad. I bet your LGS is full of nice people and they will be glad to meet you and be your friends.
>>44288526
While Ingest is indeed shit and only there for Processing, Processing itself is an interesting thing that works well with ORings/your opponents delving or using graveyard hate/flashback/all kinds of shit already in the game. A lot of the time, it's a free bonus that can also be a potential political tool.
Rally's a given, though to be fair it's better than Zendikar Allies in that regard.
Devoid is...an odd case. Overall it's a nonmechanic that's there for fluff purposes so they can make eldrazi-referencing stuff without the Tribal type and without it being literally tribal. On the other hand, Devoid helps against massive color hate like Iona and shit, so it's not completely worthless?
does anyone want to join a skype group for cockatrice commander?my name is mistertorgue
>>44287586
I think I'm mostly fine with Mana Vault, it's going to shine in artifact ramp decks but it's not something you want to run in literally every deck, whereas Sol Ring almost always eat up a slot in the 99 of any EDH deck, and so does Mana Crypt if you can afford.
>>44288346
Is Sol Ring not one of the most powerful cards ever printed? Is Sol Ring not the strongest card currently legal in the format? I want to hear your opinion here.
>>44287586
Vault is a hundred times more fair than Crypt or Ring. You need serious shenanigans for it to be anything more than a colorless Dark Ritual with a drawback.
>>44289101
Sounds like an anxiety disorded and he's coping through avoidance.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in-practice/201303/why-avoidance-coping-is-the-most-important-factor-in-anxiety
http://www.amazon.ca/Overcoming-Anxiety-Dummies-Charles-Elliott/dp/0470574410
>>44289994
Yeah. It's extremely powerful when you do have those shenanigans, but on its own, it's not the end of the world. I'd ban Derevi before banning Mana Vault. Crypt and Ring definitely need to get the axe if this format is ever to stop being a complete joke.
>>44286325
Alt art a shit. A shiiiiiit. Also, there aren't any sites for altered art that you can just buy as is. You pretty much have to commission.
>>44290046
That's disappointing. I was hoping there would be an alt-art site where you could just pick out what you wanted and order. Commissioning sounds like a hassle. Thanks anyway.
>>44290822
You can always make cards in MSE or whatever and print them like regular proxies.
>>44291032
True, but it's not the same. I can't really describe it too well but it's like, one is actually a single unit that can stand on its own, and the other is just a piece of paper on top of another card. Although I suppose I could do a more thorough job of proxying if I wanted. Hmmm. I'll actually have to consider that. Thanks, man.
>>44284284
I'm still working on a Xira Arien deck.
Man, that shit is dumb.
>>44290035
How can we help get them banned?
Should we like start a petition online or something?
>>44292521
The current rules committee will never ban them, because their philosophy is that they do nothing bad on their own and if they enable degenerate plays, then it's your deck's fault, and your fault as a player. They say that while Sheldon is freely admitting that for many years, he played with a houserule that you couldn't drop Sol Ring before turn 3 or 4, can't remember exactly.
They don't care about power level, they don't care about logic, they, for some incomprehensible reason, think that playing with Sol Ring is fun, and that's the only thing that matters to them: their own subjective idea of fun.
If you want Sol Ring banned, don't address the rules committee, don't start a petition, don't bother. Try to have the RC changed. Try to get WotC to take over EDH. The RC can NOT be reasoned with, ever, many have tried, all have failed. They've done some positive changes over the years but it's only been when a thing has been personally bothering them in their own metas, not because people asked.
>>44292521
thing is, there's no official ban list for commander, only a recommended ban list that everyone unquestioningly follows. the RC uses this excuse to refuse to ban anything they don't want to no matter how much fuss people make because they can say "just house rule it" and dismiss everyone.
>>44292659
>>44292521
>>44290822
>>44290046
>>44287586
i'll just leave this here with all of this sol ring and altered art hate going around...
>>44292674
They don't shy away from using the word "official", they just always include the clause that you can adapt them to your playgroup.
>The following is the official banned list for commander games. These cards (and others like them) should not be played without prior agreement from the other players in the game.As most people should know by now, that just doesn't work if you have multiple playgroups. No other format tries to get away with this "just houserule it" mentality but EDH thinks it's special and doesn't have to play by the rules. The format is popular so that proves it works, right? :^)
Gonna make an Alesha deck.
What are some necessary cards? I have tons of R/W cards but very few Black ones. Already going to order a Reconnaissance and a Gustcloak Savior, but I'm not really sure what I should put in for targets.
>>44292929
Master of cruelties is a good target for sure, so is Karmic guide, duplicant for combat tricks, Gary is also pretty decent. Then you have Siege gang commander and Raving dead as both decent possibilities.
>>44292929
I'd want to get the new Drana but I'm a sucker for aggro.
Wait is Erayo, Soratami Ascendant bannned in decks or just as commander?
>>44293374
They removed the banned as commander list so it's banned altogether.
I want to make a Chaos/Grouphug deck with Mayael. What are some good cards to throw in there? I have Zhur-Tar Ancient in there, and I really like him, so I kind of want more big creatures that do things for my opponents and myself. Any suggestions?
>>44293562
What's your plan to win?
>>44293562boldwyr heavyweights
Man. Had quite a night tonight.
>several people at LGS have extremely oppressive decks
>one dude has Rubinia control and a 1500$ Kozilek artifacts deck
>another runs sphinx tits combo, and yet another runs Chainer combo
>build mono blue artifacts with Jin-Gitaxias at the helm
>try deck out with close friends first
>they're running Lazav (my deck), Daretti, and Sliver Overlord
>get setup with mana doublers, get Jin out turn 5 so I can refill my hand
>they can't remove him, they lose their hands
>quickly turns into archenemy and they do everything they can to hurt me
>use constant card draw and counters to keep up with their artifact destruction
>lazav guy uses a token copy of Lorthos to try and tap down my board so he can kill me
>redirect everything to Spellskite
>he throws his deck (my deck) on the floor and scoops
>everyone else scoops
>promise not to use deck again
>they still don't want to play Magic anymore
Dangit. I just want to play with artifacts and produce infinite mana. I think I have a cancerous commander, though. What's a less oppressive mono blue commander that draws me cards? Arcanis?
>>44293631
>>44293562Tempting Wurm
>>44293388
Haha oh wow fucking casuals.
Also guys I'm building Edric as Fairy with some elves commander.
Should I bother running any elf lords? I got Scion of Oona for fairies cause it's cheap and shroud but I dunno about elves.
Also what are some good wincons?
So far I've got beastmasters and Cyclonic
>>44293615
I'm not sure. What I have now is infinite combat with Aggravated Assault + Nature's Will, but I'm sure I'd need more than that.
>>44293631
I love it. I love everything about this card.
>>44293687
>Should I bother running any elf lords?
Elvish Archdruid is bretty gud with elves, and Imperious Perfect has synergy w/ your commander. Could be worse desu
>>44293651
Rayne, Academy Chancellor
Thassa (gives card parity)
>>44293388
what extra bureaucracy? IT'S TEXT ON A FUCKING WEBPAGE, HOLY SHIT
>>44293670
Any other good cards you know? That one is really good. Also, should I be building board wipes and whatnot just in case things get too intense?
>>44293631
I actually made acasualdeck with Boldwyr Heavyweights and a bunch of Gain Control effects, ended up working fairly well since people learnt pretty quick to not drop flop out their biggest dick so the Heavyweights usually ended up being one of the best things on the board.
>>44293950
Rayne looks like like she wants to be in an enchantress deck, but she does draw me cards. I used to run Thassa when the deck was tribal sea monsters. I love her, but I think I'd prefer Arcanis over her.
Thanks for the suggestions though, anon.
>>44292788
muh phyrexia
muh shadows
muh corrupted sol ring
yeah its shit m8. It completely misses the point of the original art. Dumb concept for an alter.
>>44294217
no prob, Arcanis is a great commander and I ran him for a long time but people will assume you're just running Azami 2.0 and go for your throat.
>>44294315
Does arcanis + mind over matter = infinite draw? That would be a cool kill condition with psychosis crawler, or labratory maniac.
>mfw one of the fuckers who started Tiny Leaders and almost killed EDH in my town now wants to play Peasant
Now THAT'S podracing, already tinkered a Spellheart Chimera list and I'm thinking about Nightscape Battlemage or Kathari Remnant too.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/peasants-chimera/
>>44294371
Yup, you can draw your whole deck with MOM and Arcanis
>>44293651
Muzzio is fun. All he does is explode artifacts on the field and gives you a good boardsate. If you want to make him oppressive it's possible, but I just ran him as just a big machine producer
>>44293562
add in Dictate of Karametra, keeper of progentius for some other mana doublers. add in other free stuff like hypergenesis, wild evocation, gate to the aether, and maybe omen machine if you dont run many draw spells
>>44292788
>sol ring
>sucking in shadows and shit
You're an idiot
Why is this card banned but similar power level cards are not?
>>44294575
it's obviously a sol ring made on and it just so happens the black sun was rising at the time so it turned all black and shadowy and shit you dingus
>>44294669
made on mirrodin/new phyrexia
>>44294609
Unintractable. The only way is counter it.
>>44294737
nope. none at all. Graveyard hate is also useless. Though you have to kill their creatures first.
>>44295034
>disenchanting Recurring Nightmare
Do you even know how that card works, anon?
>>44295034
>Cast Erase
>In response they sac a creature, return Nightmare to their hand, and recast Nightmare on their next main phase
What now?
>>44295034
>4/15/2013 If you cast this as normal during your main phase, it will enter the battlefield and you'll receive priority. If no abilities trigger because of this, you can activate its ability immediately, before any other player has a chance to remove it from the battlefield.
it's the same reason you can't bolt mind sculptor before it's controller uses his +2. instant speed graveyard hate and counterspells are the only way to deal with recurring nightmare loops
>>44295215
That doesn't work anon. The correct way to use Recurring Nightmare is to hold priority once it hits and immediately use its ability.
>>44295215
>wait for them to sac a creature
>put nightmare on the stack
>cast disenchantjust kidding this is about the only thing you can use to remove it
>>44295277
can't even k-grip it if they're smart and activate it's ability as soon as it hits the battlefield
>>44295277
If they are playing correctly you never have a chance to cast that.
>>44295277
>just kidding I know how it works lol
>nevermind I don't
Just stop.
There are people in this very thread who think you can disenchant a sorcery with Buyback 0.
>>44293651
But you could only change one of Lorthos's targets with spellskite.
Third from the bottom ruling.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=397743
>>44295385
What if you payed 2 life / 1 mana per target? Granted thats 16 life or 8 mana, but hey its edh.
>>44295437
Here You don't even have to open a new page this time.
>He runs lightning bolt
>>44295614
It's fine in some decks and some metas.I don't run it though, I used to but it never hit the right things, replaced it with Red Elemental Blast in my Sunforger package.
