Would the Punisher count as a Paladin, or just a regular Fighter with a hateboner for criminals?
Blackguard or Mercykiller.
>>44267423
Fighter.
He has no superpowers and is actually dangerously mentally unstable by his own admission; he's just directed that instability towards killing criminals.
He's also not big on saving lives and admits that he's not very good at it, and is lacking in compassion and mercy.
Sadly, Frank Castle has self-admitted that he's not even killing criminals because he thinks it'll help anything, because he knows it won't.
He's killing criminals because he likes it and it's what he does now.
>>44267423
Depends on the writer, sometimes he doesn't care about the collateral damage, doesn't distingish between friend of foe, etc, other times he does.
His idea of justice is always an eye for an eye though.
>>44267489
He'd be a good Vengeance Paladin in 5e rules. A perfect one, really.
i thought it was confirmed that frank does his war on crime as a form of self-punishment for not protecting his family despite all his military experience. the punisher as a title doesn't mean he wants to punish criminals like kingpin, it refers to his desire to condemn himself from ever living a normal life
>>44267545
Depends on the writer.
>>44267545
Punisher: Born hints that he is a literal agent of Death, and that he unwittingly offered his family as sacrifice for the privilege.
Really though Captain America is the Paladin, even Frank fanboys over him.
>>44267972
>a literal agent of Death, and that he unwittingly offered his family as sacrifice for the privilege
That's fucking retarded.
>>44267423
Antipaladin maybe. Dude's LE
>>44267994
It was cool in the series
>be ambushed by north Vietnamese
>make deal with death
>become punisher
Ranger with favored enemy: criminal scum
>>44267423
By real world standards... paladin.
By any fantasy standard... fighter.
Has all the self imposed limitations of a paladin, but none of the divine gifts. Any fighter can enforce an arbitrary moral code.
>>44267994
I do mean implied.
Basically as Vietnam gets more and more intense he starts talking to himself in the signature black text boxes, hyping himself up to be The Punisher.
Probably could ignore the preternatural element altogether if his family wasn't mentioned on the very last page.
Heck, can probably still ignore it. Comic book origins is multiple choice.
>>44267994
>>44268336
>[Oh gee sure, I'll drag you through two hundreds gooks, but you'll have to pay for this later, Frank!]
>>44268659
>>44267423
By most accounts the castle actually does have a supernatural aura of luck. and it's mentioned in a few comics that statistically speaking, based on the sheer number of gunfights he's been in, even for the most highly trained and well equipped soldier, he should be dead by now a hundred times over.
That shit SCREAMS paladin to me, or at least something with a shitload of fate points or something.
>>44267423
no-companion ranger with favored enemy: criminal
expertise primarily in ranged weapons but also melee? check
single minded devotion to one main foe? check
Has high CON and DEX
Uses explosives, traps, etc. to get the job done? Check.
Thor is a fighter with some spell-like abilities and a magic weapon, same with Hercules, Wonder Woman, Hercules, Aquaman, Etc.
Frank Castle is much more of a ranger. Hell, he's even got mad stealth and survival skills from 'nam
>>44267423
>paladin must be Lawful Good
>Castle is a vigilante
>>44270779
>paladin must be Lawful Good
hasn't been true in a minute senpai
>>44268103
>By real world standards... paladin.
Yeah, homicidal vigilantes are totally well regarded IRL.
>>44267423
Fighter.
He does not have a higher purpose. Just a personal code.
>>44270779
>>44271666
ITT: People that do not understand the distinction between lawful good and lawful nice.
What about Judge Dredd?
>>44271836
He is the law.
>>44271774
The Punisher's not a good guy, though.
I mean, if he attacked a criminal at home and the family got on the way, he's more the kind to kill them too, no?
>>44271859
>if he attacked a criminal at home and the family got on the way, he's more the kind to kill them too
No. Seriously, no.
>The Punisher's not a good guy, though.
He is. He kills bad guys, and that's good.
Please remember that alignments only work on D&D or system with similar cosmology/philosophy.
The Punisher would not count as a Paladin, because what he does cannot be emulated by a D&D character. If the question was: "is it possible for a paladin to act like the Punisher", the answer would be "yes, but might need a splatbook to find a class's different versions or the GM's approval"
>>44270779
So paladins can own slaves if it's legal?
>>44271933
>He kills bad guys, and that's good.
Who decide they're bad guys? The Punisher?
>>44271991
Depending on the edition. According to the alignment only, Paladins can generaly own slave as long as they're not malevolent or harmful toward them.
>>44271992
Yes. It works. Detect Evil, Smite Evil.
>>44272052
The Punisher doesn't have Detect Evil.
>>44270779
Lawful does not means follows laws. It means follows Law. There's a difference.
>>44267462
Hey killing the local Jimmy "Child Eater" Jones helps
>>44268659
Jesus Christ Frank
>>44272198
My impression is that Castle doesnt care much for either.
Kill "bad guys" is the extent of his reasoning.
Favored terrains: jungle, urban, forest
Pathfinder archetypes: skirmisher, trophy hunter
>>44272471
Actually, I don't think it would be unfair to say that The Punisher is actively an agent of chaos.
>>44272538
>>44272561
>>44272580
>>44272602
This nigga needs a hug ;_;
Did he ever go over the line?
>>44272724
Nope.
>>44272724
>did the vigilante mass-murderer ever go over the line
Every day, basically.
>>44272724
Never over but he's been right up to...
... THE EDGE
>>44272538
>>44272561
>>44272580
>>44272602
Why is it that there's no Punisher series yet?
>Episode 1: Punisher kills some Wops
>Episode 2: Punisher kills some Spics
>Episode 3: Punisher kills some Niggers
>Episode 4: Punisher kills some Micks
>Episode 5: Punisher kills some Gooks
>Episode 6: Punisher kills some Chinks
etc etc, this shit writes itself
>>44272805
That's literally Punisher MAX.
If you mean TV series, it's because the current lefty climate.
>>44272792
THE EDGE OF THE EDGE!
>>44272805
I mean, that's basically the entire Garth Ennis run of Punisher (2001) and Punisher MAX.
>>44272829
Yeah, a proper TV series. They could just take MAX as is and you'd have 6-7 seasons easily.
Back in 2012 when Tom Jane did that "Dirty Laundry" clip i was fucking stoked. Why the hell didn't anyone pick it up from there? Goddamn.
>>44272031
Isn't it inherently?
>>44272805
You do realize that if the Punisher was made into a tv show today, it would be about his rampage against the 1% and white collar crime in general, right?
Actually, Green Arrow is basically a punisher show with bows and arrows.
>>44273080
I mean, drug cartels and kiddy diddlers are still Bad Things that people hate.
Heck they could ride the coat-tails of Netflix's "Narcos" and set the entire thing in the latin Americas.
>>44271933
You do know that if they are between him and the bad guys he will just up and shoot you, right? Like he's done that alot. For example: the criminals break into your house. He breaks in to get them. You stop and tell him of saying they're now incapped so let the cops and court system handle it. He shoots you for getting in the way and enabling criminals then shoots the criminals for being criminals. Timmy might make it through though.
>>44268336
>>44268659
>>44268682
That's even more retarded, and I'm not even the first anon who said it was retarded.
Seriously. That is so fucking stupid. I think I lost an IQ point, and I don't have enough of those to spare. The whole thread is dumber by virtue of you posting this here.
That is so goddamn stupid.
>>44275973
But its true. The movie even touches on it a bit. Voodoo guy helped him after he rode the river styx to land on his beach guide entirely by death who preemptively took his price with the family deal. Hes the agent of death and its pretty canon now. He's even "died" several times only to be brought back. Even where its not explicitly said its heavily hinted.
>>44276181
No. Fuck you. That's dumb. That's so dumb.
>>44276245
Nigger please read more comics, this isnt dumb when it comes to comic books.
>>44268103
you do not understand what a paladin is.
Paladins do what is right not what is easy, and shooting anyone the Punisher decides is a bad guy is far too easy for a paladin.
If he was a Paladin he'd bring them to justice, or try and redeem them first.
>>44271836
Judge Dredd is a paladin, a prick of a Paladin but a Paladin none the less, he gives justice to everyone and no one is immune, not even him.
He never kills unless the sentence is death.
most of the time it's just 20 years in the cubes creep.
>>44267423
Why the fuck do you cocksheaths insist on applying mechanics for a medieval and renaissance fantasy game to literally everything that isn't fantasy?
>>44271859
No. Holy shit, you know nothing about The Punisher.
>>44272156
Frank does his research. He doesn't kill indiscriminately, he methodically plans out who he kills and makes sure he doesn't accidentally kill any innocents. He subdues cops non-lethally unless he knows for a fact their crooked, he tries to help civilians if he can but by his own admission he's no savior. There's one story in MAX where he thinks he's killed a child and he nearly ends up committing suicide because of it. Frank is afraid that he'll eventually go too far and end up being just as bad as the people he kills so he goes out of his way to control his bloodlust and unleash it only on those that deserve it. He's not heartless either, children and women especially strike a chord in him and he'll make sure those who victimize them suffer more than usual.
>>44267462
I thought he killed criminals because he knows the worst of them can't be redeemed. They go to jail, come out, and then do the exact same thing that put them in in the first place.
>>44276272
As someone who likes comics and has hung out with frequent /co/ users...
Comics are retarded and make you retarded.
>>44272805
Punisher will be in season 2 of Daredevil at least, my hope is that they actually make him 'right' in some regard and not just "killing is wrong"! which Daredevil strongly believes. Maybe have someone Matt cares about getting murdered because he prevented Frank from killing their murderer.
>>44268659
>listening to Burzum's Den onde kysten
>clicks on this pic
I....wasn't planning on sleeping this year anyway.
>>44277755
I hope he dies in the first episode as a result of his "death penalty for everyone lol" actions. Preferably in a humiliating way, like slipping on a balloon animal.
>>44267423
Neither, he is a rogue.
>>44277755
I'd prefer ambiguous rather than 'The punisher is right'.
>>44271836
Dredd is so Lawful Neutral he makes Modrons look Chaotic.
Finally, a situation to post this
>>44267423
He was once revived from the dead to be an agent of God. And apparently God still has a soft spot for him since in the last Thunderbolts series an angel feather Deadpool kept as a souvenir went to Frank when he was badly injured and healed him.
I'd say he's a paladin
>>44267423
Rorschach is the only true paladin in recent memory. If you accept the fact that everyone else in Watchmen is either chaotic neutral, chaotic evil or lawfull evil deluded into thinking he's lawfull neutral that comic makes sense.
>>44280379
If you read Watchmen thinking of DnD alignments you're completely missing any point it tried to make.
>>44279653
Go to bed Joss
Remember when Frank bought a doll or whatever for a lost little girl and then helped her find her father
>>44267423
Variant Ranger. No magic, but Favored Enemy: Criminal scum
>>44280486
No, but I remember the one where Frank kills the last surviving humans on Earth and then waits for his own death.
>>44280511
Was that guy a douche?
>>44280515
He kills the ones who engineered the final nuclear war. So yes, they were pretty douchey.
>>44280536
Well then fuck them
>>44280486
Are you sure you dont mean Cable?
Cable once helped a tiny doll and in the end Sabretooth pulled her head off.
>>44280552
No, it was Frank, might have been during the human trafficking arc
>>44276598
>justice
not justice. Law. The two are not necessarily synonymous.
>>44277755
They probably will. Season 1's main theme was DD dealing with whether it was justified to kill if your enemy is a monster. They're probably bringing in Punisher to show what it's like when you actually do kill your enemies.
>>44276598
>>44280665
He has been known to go beyond the Law sometimes as well. For example, when he arrested the dude trying to illegally bury his wife in a cemetery, he ordered that the mass-corpse crashing machine thing be stopped, and that his wife be buried in a nice spot, and that "if accounting have any issues, tell them to take it up with me".
He didn't have to do anything, but he felt it wasn't just that someone who lived before the world went to shit be denied the burial they wanted. He still threw the old dude into prison though.
>>44267462
He did kill Rapestab McGenocide.
Poor, poor Rapestab McGenocide.
>>44267994
It's a fucking comic book.
About as bad ass as they come, especially for 'main stream' comics, but this guy lives in the same universe as all the others.
It's also been suggested in more then one place Punisher is an agent of death (off the top of my head in Civil War the Moon Knight is talking to his God of Vengeance imaginary friend about Punisher and the god makes the comment Frank can't serve him because he has his own master. Who? Why, he wears the symbol right on his chest. *close up of punisher skull*), but even when it's straight up being explained in Born (and it's not entirely clear who he's talking too) the last words It tells him are he won't remember any of this.
>>44271836
Dredd is about the perfect example of LN in the universe. He doesn't give two shits what you deserve. You broke the law and you will be punished in accordance with your crime, and doesn't give two fucks if he has to murder his way through a skyscraper to hand you a parking ticket.
>>44281211
I guess my question is why does Death need Frank when she's already got Thanos
And also Deadpool I guess but he's just her thing on the side
>>44281266
He does give a fuck. He isn't going to lock you up in jail if you just talk to him or ask him questions. If you very obviously slow him down, you'll get time in the iso-cubes, but if you're not shooting at him, you're more than likely to come out alive.
>>44271991
Can they have a live in servant whom they don't pay but lives in a manner and level of comfort similar to the one they enjoy but in a role of submission to him as the lord of the manor?
Sure.
Can he own human farm equipment whom he beats half to death regularly because they aren't moving fast enough and rape their preteen daughter because technically she isn't people and there are no laws against it?
No.
>>44281211
>>44281272
His patron isn't Death, it's the demon Olivier.
>>44272921
That question is much more up in the air then you think.
Slavery as was practiced for most of human history was much, much more tame then the form you learned about in the American south from school. And even then, without getting into a debate about, most of the things you heard where often extreme cases.
>>44281335
That's even more lame.
This is a never ending rabbit hole of stupid shit.
>>44281351
yeah, that's marvel comics in general for you
>>44281346
And now we've got Chattel Slavery apologists, fuck it I'm out of here.
>>44281295
And he doesn't give a fuck why you are slowing him down. Just because he doesn't kill everything that moves doesn't mean he's a great guy.
I mean Dredd isn't even subtle with the fact he's a straight up fascist. You guys know that right? That he'll give you decades in solitary confinement for being fucking fat, because that's illegal where he comes from.
Judge Dredd has never been 'the good guy' except in so far as there are worse out there. His day to day is still being a future nazi locking people up for minor offenses that shouldn't even be illegal.
>>44281565
>minor offenses that shouldn't even be illegal.
Says who?
>>44281603
Being fat is illegal.
Being homeless is illegal.
Cussing is illegal.
Questioning the government is illegal.
Wearing white after labor day is illegal.
Being russian in illegal.
Holding your cigarette like a russian is illegal and punishable by death.
Dude, again, Dredd isn't subtle. He is NOT the 'good guy' in his own comics.
>>44281622
Never said he was a good guy. I'm arguing on who said those offense shouldn't be illegal? Who has official control of the moral and legal compass? Who gets to say what is right and wrong, lawful and unlawful? Is your view right just because you were raised to believe so?
>>44281387
Not really. Just saying there is more to 'slavery' then the kind Americans did.
Is owning another human being 'evil'? That's up for debate. Pic related is evil. Is not paying your maid but instead providing her with good food, clean clothes, and a good home for her and her children?
>>44281603
4chan is wanting to error out on me so I'm not retyping all the examples of bullshit laws that Dredd would have 0 fucks about throwing you in solitary for twenty years over. But if you think Dredd is a 'good guy' and not a rather unsubtle comment of fascism then you've probably never read the comics.
>>44281622
Dredd is a parody of overbearing fascism, sure, but part of that parody is that beneath all of the LAW he's still kind of a good dude, and will still try and wiggle a smidge of good out of the LAW on the rare opportunities it allows him to do so.
>>44281652
In DnD nobody has a say in it. Good and Evil are both objective, measurable forces. It just is.
>>44281121
So... totally a paladin then?
>>44281770
I thought we were talking straight dredd-verse here.
>>44281565
>>44281622
>>44281653
All f this is very actual paladin you know. Paladins are not nice guys doing nice things. They are basically the heavy shock troop enforcers of theocracies. Total unquestioning devotion to what they perceive as the higher morality.
>>44281653
>Is owning another human being 'evil'? That's up for debate.
No, it really isn't.
>>44270779
Punisher IS lawful good, though, at least when he's well-written. He's very strict about not causing any collateral damage, and he only goes after people who deserve to be killed... unless he's written as an antagonist for some superhero.
>>44282067
>I'm a civilian who kills anyone I decide doesn't deserve to live
>I'm totally good guize
>>44275671
No he doesn't.
>>44282084
Welcome to D&D alignments. If you're as careful as Punisher about only killing people who, as far as you can tell without magical divinations, are Evil, then you are, in fact, Good.
>>44282084
If an murder-hobo adventurer can be lawful good, there's not much stopping frank from being it as well.
Just replace "criminals" with "evil monsters"
>>44282067
Yes, let's allow any anonymous asshole with a gun to go around murdering whoever they feel "deserves" it.
This is a totally reasonable way to organise society, and not a recipe for fucking anarchy.
>>44282143
As long as they only kill drug dealers, murderers, pimps and the like, I don't see a problem here.
>>44282133
Absolutely not. Official sources state that "Detect Evil -> Smite Evil" is unacceptable behavior for Paladins.
>>44282155
That's because you have the policy-making skills of a gnat.
>>44282143
>allow
m8
What the Punisher does is illegal, and plenty cops are still after him. He just has better prep-skills than Batman, dodges them all the time, and has three dozens batcaves and a hundred fake identities.
>>44282177
And stays dead as well as the Joker.
>>44282197
I'm pretty sure he's died fewer times than most superheroes.
>>44282197
>>44282223
Yeah, he doesn't really die much, but he fakes his death more often.
>>44282223
Most superheroes don't die very often at all, it's just a handful like Jean Grey who gives everyone a bad rep.
>>44282177
I believe Anons point is LG is usually the recipe for what you WANT in a society.
The Punisher is not.
The Punisher is CG, straight forward. He has a personal code but he does not believe in law, unless that Law is his own version of Hammurabi's Code.
The Punisher's way is not a good way. He'd be the first person to tell you that, ironically. He just can't do anything else anymore. He needs help.
>>44282256
>he's Chaotic Good
>his way is not a good way
This doesn't make sense to me.
>>44282282
For Society, Op. It's not good for Society.
>>44282030
Tumblr is that way, anon. You'll be more at peace there, with your own kind.
>>44282314
But the Code of Hammurabi was for society, the entire point of it and other shared laws is to make it so that individual judges aren't able to decide for themselves what rules to enforce. And if it isn't good for society, as in the people who make up society, who then is it good for?
>>44282253
And Jean Grey hasn't really died that many times, either.
>>44282371
Holy shit.
>>44282177
I was commenting at the idiot who thinks what the Punisher does is "good". If what he does is so good, why is it illegal? Oh yeah, because it's a fucking terrible idea.
The only reason Punisher makes any sense is because he lives in a black-and-white superhero world designed to appeal to fucking children. In the real-world, people don't become criminals because they're evil monsters. They become criminals for a whole mess of grotesque socioeconomic reasons, that force them to either turn to a life of crime or die.
But no, let's just kill all the Bad Men, that'll solve everything.
For fuck's sake.
>>44267423
Definitely not a paladin, he's nowhere near lawful and I'm pretty sure there's not much good in him either.
>>44267423
>Fighter with a hateboner
Reminds me of my first D&D character ever. I played a fighter that just fucking hated undead. My GM was like "Don't you mean a Paladin? Roll one of those instead" and I just said no, he doesn't care about evil or spreading religion, just beating every undead fucker in existence back into the grave
>>44282428
The punisher even covers that. He knows he gunning down guys who have families they're feeding with criminal activity. He knows that when he goes hunting in ghetto's he targeting fathers on hard times as well as straight criminals. He doesn't care. They're doing crimes that makes them criminals and he kills criminals. He also states its not good what he does and his fucking life sponsor is an evil demon enabling his habits. There is no alignment to perfectly fit him unless you handwave everything away and just arbitrarily label him some form of good cause ultimately he is killing evil at least some of the time.
>>44282410
The only holy shit here is that people like you can ignore the entirety of human history, the fact that slavery was a thing through most of it with very little issue, and then scream "BUT MUH SLAVRY IS BUHD" mindlessly without anything to back it up.
So, acting just like a tumblrite. The only thing you're missing is made-up or deliberately misinterpreted facts that seem to support your cause at face value but ends up de-valuating it on closer inspection. And calling everyone shitlord cis-scum.
>>44282511
>this has always been present in human civilization
>therefore it can't be bad
>stop using condoms, STDs are human beans too
>>44282428
>If what he does is so good, why is it illegal?
Because being legal doesn't automatically make something moral and being illegal doesn't automatically make something immoral. What are you ,12?
>>44282462
Actually that sounds like a RANGER anon.
>>44282538
You're pretty good at being a stuck-up faggot, aren't you Anon?
>>44282617
You're pretty bad at logical consistency, aren't you anon?
>>44282629
Can't argue either way, since that was my only input to this thread so far. Just tone it down you shitflux.
>>44282584
No-one mentioned bows, dual wielding, medium armour, animal companions, or stealth.
>>44282668
Where did you buy that mirrored Zippo? I want one too.
>>44275671
Gentle Anon, I posit that you are incorrect.
>>44282572
I was using "good" to mean effective, not moral.
I wasn't saying what the Punisher does is illegal because it's immoral. I'm saying it's illegal because it's impractical, and more likely to harm innocent people than produce any net good.
But, y'know, the Punisher is a comic book character, so he doesn't have to deal with tricky real-world issues like poor intel, accidental collateral damage, or his targets not being pitch-black psychopaths.
>>44282755
The same applies to all superheroes.
>>44282755
He doesn't have to deal with it because he doesn't care and does no follow-up to see the results of his interventions. But most other heroes give him flak over what he does for exactly the reasons you state. It's not really a matter of being a comic book character, because his actions aren't portrayed as improving society.
>>44282775
Most of them obey the laws and refuse to kill even when they're allowed to.
>>44281622
>Being fat is illegal.
It really isn't.
>>44282884
is it to hook up with women
trust me, I know
>>44282802
>Most of them obey the laws and refuse to kill even when they're allowed to.
Most of them work outside the law even if they don't actually kill people.
>>44272580
This page always bothered me. Where did those gangbangers get a fucking G36?
>>44282690
Well darn. And hitched by my own britches too. Good day to you, sir!
>>44283039
Its obviously just a SL8 dolled up to look like a G36... r..right guys ?
>>44283039
It's Marvelverse, I'm surprised they weren't cyborgs.
>>44271666
>implying crusaders of religion/god(s) are any different
>>44283215
its Marvel Max which has no supers and the only weird moment in it is in born
>>44282177
I think that cops mostly leave him alone too because most of them actually support what he does a lot of the time. The only time the cops every try going after them is when they're corrupt or think the Punisher has gone to far.
>>44275671
NO he fucking won't. Especially in MAX - hell, MAX series is the only one I believe exists anyway. Mainline Punisher is a bit shite.
He does not kill innocents. He's a monster, but the one thing that separates him from the criminal scum he butches night in, night out is he goes out of his way to ensure there is no collateral damage. If innocents die because of shit that happens around him, or through criminals attacking him, he doesn't care but he himself will never harm an innocent. That's why in the series, all the frontline cops secretly love him and some cities actually ignore his little killing sprees sometimes because crime goes down when he's in town.
>>44275973
I don't think you understand. It's meant to be ambiguous on purpose. You're not meant to know whether it's supernatural or just Frank rationalising his lust for punishing and the guilt for not being able to save his family. It's not dumb, but you are, for being a rigid minded spastic.
>>44283812
>Mainline Punisher is a bit shite.
The mainline Punisher has some good runs, though. Like Welcome Back Frank.
>>44283844
I'll have a look at that, I don't mind being corrected. But Punisher MAX is probably my favourite comic series, so maybe I'm bias.
>>44283931
Punisher MAX is badass.
Welcome Back Frank is mainline, but it was written by the same guy.
It's worth noting that Garth Ennis, the guy who did those, hates superheros. As such, even in his mainline series (like Welcome Back Frank), the supers are seriously downplayed.
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>>44281272
as an anthropomorphic personality, Death has a lot of facets that require a different appearance to properly suit.
>>44284777
SQUEAK.
>>44281944
Not in D&D and Pathfinder, generally, which is presumably our frame of reference.
>>44282906
In Dredd's world. He posted an example to highlight that it isn't illegal in Dredd's world.
>>44280413
>Watchmen
>having any point besides Alan Moore really disliking Thatcher, Nixon and Reagan, and being half-convinced (like most of the British Left in the 1980s) that they were about to declare martial law and lock everyone like them in camps.
The world of Watchmen is just A Very British Coup with superheroes.
>>44281272
>why does Death need Frank when she's already got Thanos
Have you ever seen Thanos? The guy's a needy, self-defeating beta who just happens to have the powers of a god.
>>44277736
>>44277736
>>44287522
Criminals killed his kids and wife, that's the only reason.
>>44282163
Which official sources are these? Because I get the feeling they might not be from the same edition where Detect Evil specifically only pinged undead, evil-aligned Outsiders, divine casters of evil deities, and evil characters of at least level 10.
