Hello /tg/, I have heard you're the best board to ask about stuff like this. I've been reading up on werewolves, and while a lot of it is applicable here, how would you do weredragons? As in, people who are cursed to turn into a big beastial half man, half dragon monster.
I was thinking they'd have a step in between where they'd seem to be more human with dragon features for a strength and durability boost, but under times of extreme emotional distress would turn into a full weredragon monster. Is this a dumb idea?
>>44245956
For future reference...
>>44246000
...and another. May you not make such foolish mistakes in the future.
>>44245967
How so? I really am seeking /tg/s legendary creative input abilities.
>>44246000
>>44246008
Thank you trips. That's already a big help.
Well it could simply be their primordial instincts awakening to keep them alive.
>>44246031
Ooo. I like this one, I might actually use that for something soonish.
Here is a third tribute to what is apparently becoming a half/quarter dragon thread in compensation.
On the matter of the topic... basically asking on the viability of a Glabro form for weredragons as I understand it... I'll check if the Mokole have a good analogue in my books(Which are still back at WW:The Apocalypse and Vamp: The Masquerade era, so expect stuff to not be up to date with the current lore of WoD)
*Hrhrhrhr* sexy Dragon girls
When comes teh tiff?
>>44246222
Please, we supply both genders here. (Not proportionally perhaps, but there's representation.)
There are three questions you must ask yourself whenever you are inventing a new species.
1: What role does the species play in the story?
This is not a simple question, but the important point is "in the story". All mechanics, flavor, and fluff aside, what is the purpose of creating the race at all. If you can't think of a reason outside "sounds cool" reconsider your options. On the other hand, if the story is not of great import, you xan skip this and move on to the next question.
2: What purpose does the species serve in the world?
This is pure fluff and/or ecosystems. If they don'ty exist because of plot, then they HAVE to exist because of ecology and fluff. Even if it's fake, pointless, unrealistic ecology (they are the batteries where the world stores magic, they are the keepers of ancient lore, they were a mistake made by the gods) they MUST have a reason.
3: How will the creature interact with other creatures?
This is actually the easiest of the three, because when you start answering it, the reasoning follows naturally. "they dislike dwarves because X," "they have no dealings with mortals, because Y," etc.
The questions are in order of importance, naturally, and they usually help you get through most creature creation processes.
>>44246191
They're generally dinosaur-like creatures.
>>44246101
Always gotta appreciate more half-dragons.
But more than instincts, you could always use strong feelings as a trigger. Seeing a hated enemy or perhaps seeing a friend or loved one die.
>>44246031
I had figured that it's a sort of a curse that's been dressed up as a "gift" and given to lesser species by dragons in exchange for the subservience in some invisible power struggle dragons are having with each other.
Psych-wise I was thinking that it was more rage or extreme depression or any emotional extreme setting off a change to a larger, more bestial were dragon form more like the large werewolf in pic related. For instance, if everything in this thread is a quarter dragon, then duress would have them more of a half dragon.
At will they can go from otherwise human to a quarter dragon form like >>44246031 for the benefits it provides, most likely at the cost of being a bit difficult to control without going full weredragon.
>>44245942
>>44246191
Research indicates no on the WoD end of the spectrum, but the Werewolves themselves have a "Step between" form and this is your setting OP. There is precedent for the idea at least.
>>44245942
I never got "werebeats". It seems like a stupid gripe, but it's amplified even more in the case of dragons.
How does something human-sized transform into a beat many many times their own size.
What is conservation of mass!?
Where does the flesh and bone come from?!Don't say "Magic, I ain't gotta explain shit."
If their bodies are so malleable, why can't they just shapeshift their wounds away?!
I hate shapeshifting...
>>44246308
>Don't say "Magic, I ain't gotta explain shit."
While not the words I would put it in... yeah. Pretty much.
>why can't they just shapeshift their wounds away?!
So do you not understand regeneration or...
>>44246191
Old World of Darkness was better anyway. Mokoles are cool because they have weakness to gold (Wish if you think they created some of the dragon legends) makes it quite a ironic thing.
>>44246308
If we're assuming that this exists in a setting where physics perfectly follow our own, there's plenty more questions where that comes from. That's why any good setting goes for internal consistency rather than completeness.
e.g.
>what is conservation of mass!?
non-existent. Alternatively, their soul contains a large amount of magical energy, which is turned into physical form.
>If their bodies are so malleable, why can't they just shapeshift their wounds away?!
When changed, your previous state is "saved," then changing back "loads" it.
>>44246295
Going with feelings sounds better, in order to differentiate themselves from "primal instinct" werewolves.
>>44246308
From my research, magic does provide a lot of the mass. To "explain" magic: It regular transfers energy, mana, aetherion, whatever, into mass. In this case, it rearranges and recreates the skeletal structure and morphs their bodies into the dragon form.
And a lot of the time, they do heal their wounds when they shapeshift, but can only do so by shapeshifting since it's an "all or nothing" type of magic.
http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/stf/163
The werewolf part of this article does a good job explaining it.
>>44246308
>What is conservation of mass!?
Not a real thing in most settings with magic
>>44246394
I prefer it for most things except changelings... The Lost are much more intriguing to me than The Dreaming.
Though not a job I truly desire, I take it upon myself to help maintain the quota of male dragon-people.
>>44246269
Cryptoclidus could make a really good aquatic dragons.
>>44245942
I'd go Asian dragon, body stretching with a sickening crack, head jutting forward like a whip, a viper attacking. Or coils bursting out of the torso alien style.
>>44246308
Right, go out and get the book "The Magicians" by Lev Grossman. Don't watch the fucking show, read the goddamn book. That will explain magic better than anythign you will ever read, ever."You recall, that someone told an astrophysicist that the world stood on the back of a turtle. He asked her, 'Well, what is the turtle standing on?' Her reply was 'Ah, you're clever, very clever, but it's turtles all the way down!' After having studied this course, you may realize we have never explained exactly what magic is, or where it comes from. It is, as the saying goes, 'turtles all the way down', but if you look too far down, and too long, you may notice that some of those turtles have bigger, sharper beaks, and much longer claws, until they much more resemble dragons than turtles." - The Dean of Brakebills on what magic is.
Something for the ladies...
>>44246222
>*Hrhrhrhr*
Is this what passes for acceptable posting on /tg/ now?
>>44246511
Something for anon...
>>44246479
I won't deny the system is way better with the new books, but i'm still in love for the old ones.
And something adorable for myself.
>>44246619
I'm stuck on the lore myself, I honestly haven't gotten my hands on one of the new books to read the system for it... but I adore the fluff for changelings. The true fae are an inspirationfor being an absolute monster, a roleplay muscle I rarely flex but do with great gusto.
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>>44246614
Don't think it is, I just snarked at it with a dragon boy, the trouble seems to have ended so perhaps I chased it off.
>>44245942
Well back to the topic at hand. Since it's a curse and werewolfs have weakness to silver are you going to make the were dragons weak against a type of mineral or element?
>inb4 a quest were you have your on weredragon girl or boy and you fight others of the same species, pokémon style. The prize would be your were dragon turning into a true dragon.
>>44246777
>youtube-tier roleplaying
I can't believe this place has gotten even shittier since the last time I was here.
>>44245967
I like this thread, it got off to a rocky start but that stumble landed us into a bunch of dragon-person pics,Mostly dignified even!so all in all, not a bad stumble.
>>44246828
Cold iron is one of the traditional ones... since silver and gold are kinda precious.
>>44246842
Oh apologies for not being clear. I literally responded snarkily to the comment with a picture of a dragon boy, and further comments didn't seem to be made in that vein. I called the maker of the comment "it" in a somewhat snarky deragitory way because really, the comment in question was saddening, and I would rather attack the comment itself than go ad hominem I suppose.
>>44246910
>>44245942
>I have heard you're the best board
You heard wrong
>>44245942
Dragons already shapeshift in like half of their incarnations so this feels incredibly redundant.
>>44247019
That is all kinds of adorable.
Here's a not quite dragony pic.
>>44246614
/tg/ was FOUNDED on shitposts, son.
>>44246254
He said weredragons.
Assuming the traditional meaning of a were prefix, it's simply a curse of some form.
So in times of extreme stress and under certain conditions, they should shift. (really, I'd use a wyvern or some other lesser dragonlike creature for it, not a true dragon). Mastery of the curse should be a quest in itself for PCs.
>>44247019
...I want this to be a picture of Kiku's baby now.
>>44247137
I'm just providing a general idea of where he needs to really start. Out of context there's only so much help that worldbuilding can give.
>>44247019
Huh. That's genuinely kind of adorable. Thank you anon.
>>44247054
>>44247209
Well, in osetting the dragons themselves can't shapeshift much.They can size shift a bit, but their natural adult forms tend to be massive.
Weredragons are humans or other beings "blessed" by the dragons curse to be able to turn into a quarter dragon form for a temporary boost, or a half dragon as an adrenaline-and-emotion fueled fight-or-flight response.
Typically dragons grant this in exchange for loyalty to the dragon, and to work for them as agents in the squishy world, where showing up as a massive 300' dragon is counterproductive.
>>44247194
Too western
>>44245942
A picture that more accurately describes a weredragon that transformed due to duress.
>>44247209
What details do you need for this to be outlined in context?
HERE'S the picture I was looking for, god, it just disappeared of it's own accord for a while there. Enjoy I suppose.
Bump
>>44246013
Mainly because it will not be long before it turns to fetish, although there are two other dragon related threads to draw that kind of attention. That said, asking nicely does tend to make them stop if you did not seek such material
>>44246908
This looks familiar. But, I remember why.
>>44249398
This thread did surprisingly well. 28 images (not counting the first, OP did done goof) till someone posted anything blatantly fetishistic. This is only my 4th day on /tg/ and already I love this place.
>>44245956
Come on anon, at least try. Five seconds on google.
>>44246773
my favorite
>>44245942
Well anon, in D&D 3.5, I think the second edition players handbook, there's a class called a dragon shaman.
It allows the player to have a patron dragon, and from it derive some abilities, such as fire breath or morphing some parts of themselves into draconic versions.
Seen a player slowly, forcibly turned into a dragon over the course of a game. Never something like a cursed sudden changing though, with some trigger like a full moon or stress.
Then again I played a were-volcano so I guess anything works.
>>44250858
>>44250786
>Dragon Shaman
Will look into, it's this right?
https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Dragon_Shaman_(3.5e_Class)
>>44250645
Still, I hoped for a bit more discussion, oh well. Still a productive thread.
>>44251034
Depends on the setting, and I might join in on the chat.
Are these Were dragons in the modern world, trying to keep normal jobs while not busting out their claws in a meeting?
Are they the only ones who can handle space travel?
>>44250858
>Were-Volcano
Storytime?
>>44251087
The setting is basically in the midst of a cold war in a slightly futuristic world, sort of the UNSC from Halo minus the space travel mixed with a standard fantasy world.
Everything that can be militarized magically is, and the dragons are having a typical dragon feud in the background.
The dragons are offering up the "curse" disguised as a blessing to gain minions and loyal soldiers in their feud while the government wants weredragon ready to deploy at a moments notice.
One of the main struggles with a weredragon is being pulled in two directions, by the patron dragon and by the government, in addition to the usual "Man vs draconic desires" their psyche are being put through.
As for how it works, I explained it >>44246301
>>44246640
she would be cute if it wasnt for the lack of nose
>>44251445
She has a nose... a small one... if you look a bit close.
>>44251338
Sounds like Shadow run, which has a cool thing you can steal.
There was a pseudo dragon like race only the dumbest GM's allowed you to play as. They were super strong and Mary Sue to the MAX, except they had a major flaw. They could be mind-controlled 100% by any nearby real Dragon. Being so strong, Dragons would go after them to make them Luitenants. Have that as a draw back for your Were-Dragons.
>>44245942
Fuck you op with your fetish picture.
You're a fucking disgrace to /tg/.
Best Manakete coming through bitches.
>>44251613
And second best
>>44250754
>Monster Girl Encyclopedia
>not the most fetishy picture possible
Come on, anon. Deus does not Vult.
Isn't a weredragon a bit too much? A werewolf is already pretty powerful, but dragons are very very powerful indeed. And you can't explain how it happened like with a werewolf - that you got bit - because in an encounter with a dragon, you'd probably die when a dragon's fangs sunk into you.
>>44251524
>>44251524
>They could be mind-controlled 100% by any nearby real Dragon
That might be a bit much since the weredragons in my setting aren't exactly OP, they're stronger, but not to that extent. Plus there're probably more dragons around than Shadowrun.
That said, a weakness to be more "compliant" to a dragon allied to their own makes sense, and a complete inability to not be hostile with a weredragon of an enemy brood sounds perfect.
I imagine it's also a full "I exist to serve" relationship when the dragon that "turned" them is involved.
>>44251747
>A pose like OP's compared to the relatively tame picture in the monster girl encyclopedia entry.
Are you fucking blind anon? How are you typing your posts if your eyes don't work?
>>44251198
He was cursed under the light of the full moon to become neither man nor volcano, but an unholy abomination of both.
At first it was just a completely mundane guy, but with a head-sized volcano instead of his head. When things got a little more serious, he kind of went all stony, got bigger and could seep lava. I still miss it though when he just had a small volcano head and erupted, sending out clouds and little chunks of molten rock and pyroclastic flows.
>>44251338
Tell me about the factions and the dragons
>>44251787
What do you think based on >>44251338 or >>44246301
Never seen that particular page before, but isn't MGE basically a monster girl magical realm?
>>44252005
>He was cursed under the light of the full moon to become neither man nor volcano, but an unholy abomination of both.
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>At first it was just a completely mundane guy, but with a head-sized volcano instead of his head. When things got a little more serious, he kind of went all stony, got bigger and could seep lava. I still miss it though when he just had a small volcano head and erupted, sending out clouds and little chunks of molten rock and pyroclastic flows.
>>44252048
Well, that does make it a bit easier to swallow. If they have to bash through fantasy tanks or something, being a weredragon is probably a good choice for that.
MGE definitely is, yes, with the trappings of a more standard setting in some places. I honestly find it a little interesting because it has some minor gods and goddesses aside from the big bad and the obvious good, and it tries to solve conflicts without violence in its messed up way.
When I first started playing D&D back in the '90s, one of the preexisting players had a werewyvern.
Shit was crazy broken but we always had fun.
>>44251034
There's also the Dragonfire Adept, and the Dragon Disciple prestige class. On the PF side there's a better version of the DD PrC, and there's a bloodline for draconic Sorcerers and Bloodragers that also work for gradually gaining draconic powers/features.
>>44252047
Don't really know what to say about the factions to make it really relevant.
On one side you have a coalition made of a Desert Empire, Island Europe, and Reverse Asia. These are the human races, and they're allied with a mation of darkby which I mean blackelves in a nearby junglelands. Additionally, they have a tenuous alliance with the Animal-eared peoplefoxboys and squirrelgirls and suchamong a few others. That's our NATO.
On the otherside, there's a hegemony of a few cobbled together races that are best described as "Evil draenei quarians" and their friends. They're the WARSAW
The two sides just had a war smashing against eachother, and the Cold War is a result of what's essentially World War 2 waiting to happen.
Meanwhile, the dragons are going against each other in a shadowy influence war trying to get more information and control over eachother and their assets. This is where the weredragons are serving as their assets. The full dragons are more "each a nation" and capable of taking fleets of warships on at a time.OTher than that, there's not much to say about them.
Do you need anything in more particular?
>>44252794
Yeah, any more details about the past would help make the place feel more complete. Tell me more about the Dragons, why haven't they conquered everything?
>>44253288
Well, the dragons haven't conquered everything because they're pretty much incapable of working together long enough to do so. They get passionate and territorial easily. There used to be skies full of dragons fighting the dragons of other broods, with humans charging into battle underneath them. The ones still alive, that can fight against a fleet are simply the ones the heads of the surviving broods, with few of their lesser kin left following their commands.
Additionally, the races around their equivalent to the medieval era gained an influx of magical ability among their leadership that was basically better capable of fighting off the dragons, and led to them switching from brute force to cunning and deception, it's only around industrialization that the surviving heads of the brood have reached their "anti-fleet" capabilities and sizes, and are busy trying to extend their contacts and subtly maneuver the cold war into going after their rivals.
Then the "squishies" started warring against each other. Notable of these are the elves and their neverending civil war, who are still split into three-four factionsone of which is an entire race of vampire elves nowand the desert empire, which was basically "Songhai's Mongolia"
>>44246308
I've seen a similar explanation a lot of places, and I came up with a similar one myself. Maybe it's convergent evolution or maybe it's just a long thread of derivation.
But the most common answer is something like magic allows a kind of sub-dimensional pocket that is kept in stasis: the beast form, including all its mass, is kept there. The shapeshifter exchanges or partially exchanges bodies (the mind, in most of these settings, being a supernatural spirit thing outside of but influenced by the body). Typically the bodies do share wounds, which is either not explained or part of the inherent meta-physics: the very magic that allows the swapping of body stuff requires that one body influence the other, such as sharing wounds.
More general shapeshifters might have a similar story, where their shapeshifting power allows them to explicitly impose a different pattern on their bodies, and as the pattern is something like a template, they do not have the specific and separate metaphysical capacity to also close up wounds as they do so.
The main example that comes to mind of this kind of shapeshifting is The Halfblood Chronicles by Andre Norton and Mercedes Lackey. (Coincidentally, this has shapeshifting dragons, and also half-humans. But no half-dragons.)
Of course, general shapeshifters in most settings typically just use magic to create or somehow "set aside" mass, something that bugs me to no end. Something I use in my own settings (and haven't seen too many other places) is that magical matter is something kind of like a hard-light hologram. This is also why magic can't arbitrarily create viable food (which, if magic isn't incredibly rare, would be an insanely disruptive power, leading to a world that fundamentally looks very different than the history of the real world).
>>44253587
Sounds like you've got most of the stuff down. I'm looking forward to reading about your player's exploits.
>>44250858
>Seen a player slowly, forcibly turned into a dragon over the course of a game. Never something like a cursed sudden changing though, with some trigger like a full moon or stress.
Go on?
>>44254451
Ah well it was a case where she had suffered a severe accident that very nearly killed her. She survived but lost several limbs, most of her skeleton and internal organs. Things were pretty miserable for her after that, and her life definitely became a lot harder and took a turn for the worse. Well eventually it was figured out that a doctor could fix her up and get her back to normal, good as new, the only concern being he was disgraced and cast out for his immoral practices.
As hoped he did manage to restore her body to its former condition though without letting anyone know he also changed her genome in the process that it would eventually rewrite to that of a dragon, basically another experiment of his. Overall it was sort of like The Fly where for awhile she was completely fine and healthy and even started to improve better than she used to be with that unknown dragon vigor. Eventually though her body started to change and shift to give rise to her new form. Scales started to erupt through her skin, her bones grew, twisted and contorted, the makings of wings started to sprout, and her teeth and hair started falling out. No one had any idea of what was going on and she had no control over it, since it was basically just her DNA forcing her body to change to the form it was designed to. We couldn't figure out what was even happening to her until pretty far along, but we couldn't manage to get to the doctor to do anything about it.
The process took over a year and was "indescribably painful" as her human form essentially just degraded and fell apart around her emerging dragon form. Unfortunately, her sanity did not survive the process and she eventually became an NPC, partially under the control of the doctor.
>>44251613
I was hoping someone would post a Manakete. Myrrh a best.
>>44246295
>Always gotta appreciate more half-dragons.
What's the best way to make half dragons?
Dragon mother or dragon father?
>>44245942
>character goes from 100% human to 100% dragon on a full moon
>human and dragon have completely separate personalities>human doesn't want the dragon to hurt the rest of the party>invested in enchanted restraints and asks to be tied up when she feels the transformation starting
>>44246308
>>44266448
>human has no memory of what she did in dragon form
>is shocked and embarrassed when told afterwards
>dragon has no memory of what she did in human form
>demands to know how the party managed to knock her out and tie her up again
>>44267976
>>dragon has no memory of what she did in human form
One would think if something spent the majority of it's time as a human it'd probably figure out something is up
>>44268045
Of course, but that won't stop it from subjectively blacking out for several weeks and waking up in a different place every time.
>>44268440
Yeah, but how would it even develop an identity?
If it only exists when she's transformed?
I mean I get it's hot to have them constantly switch, but I figured the dragoness would at least have access to the woman's memories
>>44269121
Either option works. The best part is the dragon getting shut down every time and not being able to do anything about it.
>>44272645
That would be the ultimate domination for a sub dragon, being forced to have it's glorious form shoved into a pitiful human female who has complete control
>>44272685
More like ultimately stupid.
>>44272912
What's wrong with it?
>>44246254
1 and 2 are pointless. Its a game. If the GM wants them in they're in.
>>44273630
Well, not quite, I'd still say they can't break SoD, but for the most part you don't need to go into a lot of detail about them
>>44265534
Dragon mother. Even in the types of story where a dragon father makes more sense, dragon mother is either more entertaining or less cliched.
>male knight attempts to slay the dragon
>fails and gets raped, crawls away with his life but not his dignity
>disgraced, he becomes a simple farmer
>a couple years later the dragon pulls the roof off his shack, drops an egg that's about to hatch in his lap and flies off
>many years later, the half dragon has had a difficult childhood, but was raised as best as the knight turned farmer was able
>on his deathbed, his father tells him the story of his birth, and tells him where his sword and armor are buried
>has a bunch of adventures, gets chased out of some towns, slaughters a bunch of monsters, eventually ends up confronting his mother
>gets the moral choice scene with the requisite "you've seen the weakness of your human half, now join me and learn the power of the dragon blood that runs in your veins"
>"My Pa raised me better than that," slays the dragon, goes back and enjoys his life running his father's farm
For some reason, it feels a lot less generic with the standard genders reversed, even if the story isn't actually any more original.
I can't find that sad dialogueless comic about the dragon rape daughter, but pretend I posted it
>>44265534
Having seen both in games, have to go with father.
Both have serious pros and cons though.
>>44279141
>Both have serious pros and cons though.
Go on
>>44269121
She's possessed by a dragon spirit?
>>44272685
Every time the dragon does take control, she's surrounded by adventurers waiting to disable her. In any other situation they wouldn't stand a chance, but her other self always finds ways to place her at an impossible disadvantage against them.And when she isn't in control, she watches helplessly as the party discusses what to do about the healer's 'condition', as if her magnificent self was just a disease in need of treatment.
>>44252794
>Reverse Asia
What, like an individualist China? Schoolgirls raping tentacles monsters in Japan?
>>44280305
Well there was that one time Not!China invaded Not!Korea and Not!Japan exported their Samurai to save their Not!Korean brethren.
>>44265534
Well I think a dragon mother would be a bit less cliché and you could do some interesting story plots with it. But rather more important than the gender of the dragon parent, that is who is actually raising the child. Does it stay with it’s draconic parent or does it get raised by it’s other parent, perhaps they raise it together if that's possible? I think the environment is just as influencing during childhood as the parent is.
>>44279297
Most of it is going to depend on if the dragon parent is raising the child. It's more likely to imagine that a dragon mother who lays the egg, will care for it and raise it. Therefore the child is more likely to take after the mother, and even if she is a good dragon, it developmentally and behaviorally puts the child to be more like a dragon. Typically and traditionally, half-dragons tend to physically be more like their non-dragon parent, so trying to make them be like a full dragon is a problem. Meanwhile, for a non-dragon single mom, under most circumstances she'd likely have trouble and problems raising the child, particularly due to other people and their reactions. At least though the child will end up being raised among the races it is more similar to, and ideally not have the arrogance/superiority complexes of dragons. As well on a similar issue you have to take into account alignment, and that non-good dragons are the ones more likely to have the short term relationships or even rape, to result in a child. So if you have an evil dragon mother or father, the child being raised by the evil dragon mother, or being raised by the non-dragon mother after the evil father left, is pretty obvious which is better.
These are based on single parent situations of course. Actual proper relationships are understandably different, but they tend to just not get shown or explored as much. Again I've seen both, and it's not like my experience is the end all be all, but proper relationships by default would have a lot of natural issues, even if the dragon could and did shape change.
>>44283592
Think of it, I don't think I've ever seen a half dragon raised by a dragon mother
>>44284055
Can go either way really, she shape changes to be like the father but still raises the child on her own. Or she just stays a dragon and raises the child. Not a very big, but still a strong case for the former, since it would be a lot easier to specially care for a baby, particularly a half mammal baby, as a mammal and smaller size yourself.
Raising as a dragon though, would probably be pretty bleak since there's a good chance the child wouldn't see life outside the mother's lair/cave/den/whatever at least until adulthood. Even setting aside over protection on the mother's behalf ("My child is half-human! They are very fragile and must be guarded!"), there are plenty whom would love to get hold of even a half-dragon child/adolescent/young adult, good or evil not really mattering in this case.
>>44251787
Cursed treasure is the easiest explanation, and power levels are not such a problem if the entire party gets dragon'd at the same time.
>>44285445
>the entire party gets dragon'd at the same time.
That actually sounds pretty fun, any ideas for a campaign like that?
>>44287714
The ruins used to belong to an ancient order of dragonslayers, and one of the things they did was to capture dragon souls in magical containers, with predictable consequences when the PCs found them.
Unfortunately, while this vault only contained enough for the party, it also contains papers indicating the existence of much larger vaults, which the BBEG is no doubt searching for in order to create his own dragon army.
