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Previous thread: >>44183249
What races do you want to see a racial archtype for, and for what?
Second for "rusty dagger shanktown" is no longer a meme
FAT AEON TATS
>>44192864
Orc Warlord-I want to see some initiator love for them, their stats lineup is just so shitty. The only thing is it'll never happen because Half-Orcs will also have access to it and will be better at it than the orcs themselves.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1557256029/the-faerie-ring-for-pathfinder-roleplaying-game/description
Anyone else seen this? It's by the same guy that did the sacred necromancer class, which is pretty damn sweet.
Get Hype as fuck.
>>44192935
>Get Hype as fuck.
Fuck off, shill.
>>44192864
Kitsune and CatfolkI'm tired of playing generic ruggedly handsome macho humans and want to play as qt shotas with animal ears.
>>44192864
Caligni bard, skald, or magus.
The other two shadow races already have some, but not them.
>>44192864
More stuff for Drow and Orkz
>>44192890
Rusty dagger shanktown, where WBL is a curse word and where rolling for your stats is tradition.
>>44192864
Kobold Rogue archetype focused purely on thievery
Human Paladin archtype foxused on getting bonuses from being low health
Reposting once again for exposure:
*NEW PLAYTEST ALERT*
*NEW PLAYTEST ALERT*
*NEW PLAYTEST ALERT*
The author of the DESTRUCTION SPHERE handbook for Spheres of Power has elected to release their handbook for open playtesting:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c3LPA0j7qKpLFP2lOr3I9X9VUpH8vOvs17pKmTCj36M/edit?usp=sharing
Known issues:
>Doomblade mechanics
>Elemental Scion: streamlined method for accessing class abilities without spellpoint cost
>Spellcrafting: DCs
>Improved elemental blade feat: interplay with bound energy arsenal trick (too much damage?)
>Bound Energy Arsenal Trick: interplay with improved elemental blade
Please leave comments in the Google document. The author of this playtest is, unfortunately, reluctant to have "4chan in his inbox," so they will not be fielding questions on /pfg/.
That said, it is very much worth noting that the direction the author is taking the Destruction sphere in is "Destruction simply is not that astounding for damage, so it should be used as a versatile battlefield control sphere instead."
I personally find this to be a disagreeable direction, since battlefield control is what half of the other spheres do, and Destruction really should be the iconic sphere for directly dismantling enemies in a variety of ways. ***The author is accepting suggestions on how to allow a Destruction blaster to keep up with a martial's damage without making the blaster strictly superior to the martial, especially in the field of utility.***
Some of you might find the create-your-own-blast-type rules appealing.
>>44192864
A Trox Brawler, Shaman, or one of the occult classes. Trox need more love.
>>44192925
Don't worry anon, I love orcs too.
>>44192925
Maybe do something stupid like reverse the bonus from INT or something. Like, the more stupid/unwise/badly explained your strategy is, the better it works. Then Orcs have an advantage over everyone since they get a penalty to all mental stats.
What are some fun non third party weapon builds for Battle oracles? I've played a lot fauchards and scimitars and want to try something more exotic for a change.
Currently interested in Spiked chains.
>>44192864
Grippli BloodragerREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>ITT: large blocks of text regarding 3pp rules once again overtake the thread
>>44192950
Bro, I'm not even shilling, its just Fey get so little shit and this might finally might be a decent source book for them.
Evil Outsiders got like, 3 books in PF, Good Outsiders got a book, in 3.5 Aberrations and undead both got books, on top of the BoVD, Fiend folio and shit like that.
There's never been a decent book on the fey though.
Apparently its going to include rules for a classic Goblin Market type selling system and if you aren't stoked as fuck for mechanics for selling the moons tears to a nymph in return for the sigh of a lost lover then there's something wrong with you.
>>44192976
Hey, any info on
>>44192819
I'd ask myself, but I don't know how to ask questions on Google doc on mobile
>>44192999
What's wrong with that?
>>44192913
Speaking of, still waiting on a redesign of pic related.
Sell me on the premise of your next campaign, /pfg/.
>>44193049
You get to play
>>44193043
It tends to overpower any other discussion.
>>44192999
If you have a question or another topic, fire away. Otherwise, people gonna discuss whatever comes up.
Why do people think that chaotic alignments have a monopoly on mental disorders?
>>44192953
Why not be an elven NEET girl with a cat ear headband? It's an elf, so they can't be unattractive.
>>44193062
>ITT anon cannot stop sucking dicks
If you have something to discuss, then discuss. We can talk about more than one thing. If you don't have anything to talk about then quit bitching.
>>44193079
It's because a lot of people who play Chaotic alignments tend to act like they have a mental disorder, especially if it's done for the randumb
>>44193049
Wrath of the Righteous: Prepare to Die Edition
>>44193079
Because people assume mental disorder = cray cray lol so random Joker shit or serial killer.
Nevermind you can be thoroughly mentally damaged and clinging to lawful good like shit.
>>44193049
High powered gestalt game, Eberron-magepunk style game with 3pp and one class in the gestalt must be a casting class.
I wanted fuckery and my group is too unmotivated with the current game that I wanted to enliven things by taking the settings up to 9 from the get go.
>>44192976
How about archetypes that "lock you" into selecting destruction based talents with "level=BAB" type clause to discourage dipping for iteratives.
>>44193034
I have inquired regarding Energy Snake, but there has yet to be a response.
>>44193101
>ninjaroll lagstabbing Iomedae
>>44192993
I like it. Orkz are fucking awful for anything but pure AM SMASH barbarian. My favorite part about scarred witch doctor is that the "nerf" it received just benefits half orcs even more because they get an effective +2 int on top of their potential racial +2, rather than just letting orcs have a nice thing for once.
As far as Path of War classes go, Veiled moon seems like the one that is very iffily written, at least to me. All the ethereal nonsense aside, I have a question about using teleporting maneuvers. For instance, Fading leap says you can teleport twice your move speed which in combat is pretty good, b ut out of combat it seems a bit too strong since you can basically stealth and teleport everywhere every second round.
So, my question is do all those teleport maneuvers work like that out of combat? In Tome of battle for 3.5. there are at least unwritten rules that stuff that as a maneuver that heals you or something has to be done against a threat.
>>44193128
I just restat Orc PCs as +2 STR, +2 Con, Select a -2 to either Int, Wisdom, or Charisma.
>>44192993
Unnecessary, I think. It's as simple as making a note in the archetype's requirements that you must be a full-blooded orc to qualify. Specific rules trump general rules, so I think that sort of work around would be fine. The problem with making it completely unavailable to half-orcs is that now very few people will ever actually use the archetype for PCs.
>>44193014
you know Gareth's planning his own feybook too, right? because that sounds like something that'd excite you
>>44193150
Yes. Why wouldn't they? Short ranged teleport and and stealth maneuvers is no different from someone getting hide in plain sight and maxing stealth.
>>44193150
>So, my question is do all those teleport maneuvers work like that out of combat?
Yes. It's not really that powerful. It's useful but it's not like it negates the need for a stealth roll.
You just get to be a ninja.
>>44192864unicorn ponypsionics
>>44193150
Yes they work out of combat, although most maneuvers require a successful attack roll of some sort in order to initiate them.
There is a veiled moon stance, Stance of the Ether Gate that allows teleportation without the attack roll, with the movement rate of your speed as a move action or twice your speed as a full round action.
As a comparison, Dimension Door is Long Range (400 ft. +40 ft. per level) teleportation as a standard action and Vanishing trick is rounds/level invisibility as a swift action.
>>44192864
Teifling witch
What level would a spell that deals level drain, and if you kill the target with the level drain you have a 10% chance of taking 1 point of their highest stat, and keeping it be?
Enervation is 4th
But wish is 9th
And those are the only similar spells I know of.
>>44193177
On the other hand, a "stupid warlord" would work for other classes with mental stat penalties and no mental stat bonuses, so they could be used by any race, Orc would be just the "best".
>>44193225
They already have a book for that
>>44193253
Do they? Because a quick Google isn't helping me find it.
>>44193247
At least 9th, because that's a permanent stacking potentially infinite stat booster spell that's easy as fuck to cheese.
>>44193247
Probably 9th level with a rider saying it needs to be a challenging enemy.
>>44193113
To elaborate on this, a destruction specialist archetype would need a way to incentivize specialization on offense throughout its career as opposed to taking a level or two in it and fucking off to take a bunch of other neat shit.
>>44193276
>>44193273
Things can stack past 5? I was under the impression you could only get +5 of any one type.
>>44193268
Ponyfinder + occult adventures psychic class?
Psychic bloodline sorcerer / Blood arcanist also possible.
>>44193297
Inherent bonuses don't stack at all unless cast immediately after one another. You didn't list a bonus type so I was assuming it was untyped. That and you didn't include an expensive material component cost which makes it cheaper than wish.
>>44193314
Psionics, not the psychic occult shit, but thanks for tipping me off on that.
>not only is the caligni from the bestiary 5 picture unwrapped, he's dressed like fucking carl
>>44193371
You mind sharing
>>44193034
>>44193114
You now have a response to your inquiry:
>Selective didn't exist this morning. Other talents may require some review now that it does.
>>44193423
>>44193423
I would if I had it, but pathfinder illustrations are nearly impossible to find on the Internet (or at least where I've looked).
>>44193356
There is a unicorn/elf hybrid race in Bloodforge.
>>44193049
Wizard Aliens attempt to invade Psionic Heavy world full of super strong humans(average human is level 2 or 3), initiators, and monster hunter tier beasts for rare resources and to enslave mankind. PC's have to send the invasion force packing and find a way to end future incursions.
Alternatively, the Wizard Aliens have come enslaved humanity and the PC's find themselves in a position to fight back and send them packing.
>>44193120
You have no idea.
>>44193190
Aww shit, you serious?
Gareth, if you're around you're planning a fey book?
>>44193548
so I dug around. couldn't find the material I had about it.
>>44193120
>>44193511
>>44193101
Good lord, imagine if instead of Iomedae we met Shelyn like pic related.
>>44193584
Monthly reminder that Lamashtu is tsundere for Shelyn.
>>44193584
>amazing chest ahead
Thank goodness for arcane mark
>>44193621
Wasn't Gwynevere a fertility goddess? Shelyn supports pregnancy already, you could always just say she's got a fertility aspect because, let's face it, cultural standards of beauty often aligned with child-bearing.
>>44193621
>tsundere
>not yandere
Tsundere would imply that she denies it.
I can't blame her though. Even Rubadub is Yandere for Shelyn.
You've confused her for ZonZon. He's the tsundere siscon
>>44193584
>Beauty is an illusion.
>>44193470
>Hey, I don't want no god damn owbs in my fuckin' cave
>>44193584
Wait, so who wood be Gwyndolyn
>>44193049
Its about generations of goblin characters that go on one adventure each. Starts at level 1, but with fast XP track and extra XP for story awards so it will be a level a session practically if not more. After you conclude your adventure and reach around level 4ish, your characters get retired, the setting advances several years and you get to play new characters who start higher level than before and after their adventure will end higher level than before.
Each time you retire you create various "bonuses" for your line, which doesn't have to actually be hereditary, it can also be stuff like apprentices or those chosen by some prophecy you made or whatever. Your next character can get these bonuses like increased attributes, some of your old characters magic items, political power within goblin society etc.
>>44193323
>>44193273
>>44193276
Slay and Steal
[9th?] necromancy {evil as fuck}
V, S, M (5000 GP in Onyx)
Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Target one creature
Duration instantaneous
Saving throw: Fortitude negates.
Spell resistance yes.
You must make a ranged touch attack to hit. If you hit, the subject gains 1d4+1 temporary negative levels and these negative levels stack. These levels dissipate after 12 hours exactly and therefore cannot become permanent.
If the target dies to the negative levels given by this spell roll you have a chance to steal one point from the targets highest statistic and add it to your own. This bonus type is Profane, and can stack up to 5 times in a single statistic.
Targets with 4 or less hit dice than you give no chance to steal.
Targets with 3 less or equal hit dice to you have a 1 in 10 chance.
Targets with more hit dice than yourself have a 1 in 5 chance and cannot get more likely.
I'm just making this because my DM let me have the Eldritch Researcher Story feat. And I need to make a 6+ Necro spell.
>>44192864
>there will never be a Skinwalker Druid Archetype
>>44193676
Zon-Kuthon, duh.
>>44193664
>You talk to the real Iomedae in a fake cathedral you got kidnapped and forced into
>You talk to Gwynevere as an illusion in a real cathedral
What if we combined the best aspects of this and get
>You talk to Shelyn as an illusion in a real cathedral
>>44193681
Why not just make it a temporary boost? Although I think that effect exists already.
>>44192864
I fucking hate racial archetypes. They're a fucking terrible idea and are never done well, because good racial archetypes would be "physiology" archetypes.
>>44193576
Fuck, well if you find it later post it, I'll be around a few hours yet.
Anything Fey related is my joint at the moment.
>>44193725
Because then it's just Death Knell with level drain instead of HP.
>>44193743
I can confirm there is Fey in the works. It's a ways off, though.
>>44193749
Yeah, but then you could also make it a lower-level spell slot.
>>44193763
Fuck yeah.
Is there any idea on what's going to be in it? For the love of god, tell me there'll be Goblin Market/alternate pricing or mechanics for trading weird shit.
Forcing your will on the realms? So on?
>>44193621
Your face when Pokemon is an alternate Golarion in which Lamashtu finally scored with Shelyn
>>44193830
I already have lower level ones made, I need a high end spell for when I'm supposed to be going "Muahahaha" at the top of my obsidian tower.
>>44193662
Lamashtu wants to capture and corrupt Shelyn into a breeding machine to see what kind of wonderful babies they can make, but I find the idea of Shelyn being so incorruptible that Lamashtu ends up being dragged up the alignment table instead of Shelyn down hilarious and cute. Well... Cute is a weird word to be using in this situation. But Lamahstu probably would be tsundere about it, because she'd want to pretend that it's not working and I'M STILL TOTS MCGOATS EVIL GUYS and such.
>>44193470
has anyone statted the foreigner belt?
>>44193830
what
>>44193812
Not too much idea just yet, I'm not one of the primaries on it and it's still in what amounts to brainstorming. Just that it is a thing which will probably occur at some point
Can someone help explain Paladin's weapon bond? I get a +1 enhancement at 5 and another every 3 levels, but when can I add the different weapon properties?
>>44193830
The church of Arceus would like to have a word with you, heretic.
Also if that were true, humans would be able to breed with Pokemon, and that doesn't happen [spoilers] except in my doujins [/spoiler]
>>44193862
You're running on anime logic, anon.
If Lamashtu can't corrupt Shelyn then she'll just use her as a breeding machine, you don't exactly need to be on-board with getting knocked up to get knocked up.
>>44193859
>>44193770
BALLS, I am too tired for this. Coffee time.
>>44193908
>Also if that were true, humans would be able to breed with Pokemon
Humans just haven't found the Mask of the Demon Mother, yet.
Speaking of, has anyone *actually* used the Mask of the Demon Mother? That seems like such a red flag item that nobody would even dare use it outside ERP.
>>44193859
Well personally I'd create a spell that makes everyone in the area have to save or be possessed by a Dybbuk that is destroyed when the possession ends. Make it apply to objects in the area too perhaps, either way you can go recreate Evil Dead.
>>44193902
when you have enough enhancement bonus to add the property instead of the bonus it's worth. and the weapon needs to be +1 by the time you start adding properties. so if you have +1 enhancement, you can't add flaming to a nonmagical weapon.
>>44193937
That...sounds hilarious. I will read up on that creature.
How do you guys rule your Spirit guide Oracle's wandering spirit feature? Do you make it rng on what spirit they take for the day or is it free for them to decide?
>>44193933
I know there was talk about it when we discussing that Bloodborne/Psychorangers adventure a while back. But other than that not really.
Supposedly you just have a priest of Lamashtu carry one to explain why there are so many Half-fiend monsters in a dungeon.
>>44193830
Deepest lore.
>>44193908
You don't really know that they can't. The series certainly never touches on the subject, I'm sure. But even if it is confirmed they can't interbreed, that doesn't prove anything. Many many many generations down the line and the divine fertility/virility would be reasonably expected to be diluted to normal levels.
>>44193914
No, but the description of Lamashtu's intentions for Shelyn said that she specifically wanted to see her corrupted. I think. In any case, shut up and get your actual logic out of the cute goddess shipping.
>>44193968
It might not be perfect as its CR 15. But with it being a possession its essentially mass dominate person and that is an appropriate spell apparently.
>>44193961
So since I already have a +1 bonus to my weapon, I can use the level 5 enhancement to add flaming, since flaming is the same price as a +1?
>>44194031
Yes.
>>44193859
How about this
"Animate Ruin"
9th level spell, when cast on a ruin or similar "abandoned" structure it creates an undead version of a Behemoth Golem.
>>44193470
So, Carligni?
>>44193985
>Lamashtu finally manages to bring Shelyn to the Abyss
>Millenia waiting for this moment
>Lamashtu is going to kiss Shelyn
>Pazuzu out of nowhere
>He kisses Shelyn
"It was I, PAZUZU!"
>The flying demon lord disappears as fast as he cockblocked Lamasthu
>>44194103
> mfw
>>44194151
Pazuzu is THE best demon lord.
>inb4 muh Nocticula
>>44194151
DO YOU REMEMBER THE TIME YOU SHIT YOUR PANTS, LAMASHTU?
IT WAS ME!
I SHIT YOUR PANTS!
>>44194151
>>44194263
>>44194294
PazuZOOM when?
Is it possible to call a devil (with all necessary precautions, like circles of powdered silver and casting magic circle against law/evil, of course) and sell him trapped (with Trap the Soul) souls of good-aligned creatures instead of your own?
>>44194263
He even haves his own movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaO_Y8DN0L4
>>44194366
Depends on the soul in question, how many, and what you want in return. I'm sure they might make a deal depending on these variables.
>>44194536
I recently trapped a soul of a level 16 paladin, so I think that's an attractive choice. The question is if it's possible by the rules (read: if an entry forbidding this exists).
>>44193470
>I told you I work outta the Darklands there.
Are Sky Druids good compared to the base Druid?
>>44194366
Aren't daemons the ones who typically deal with soul trade in PF? As I recall, there's even a PrC(or archetype) based on that.
>>44194695
They have fewer options in the first few levels and delay wildshape. Flight is generally more useful. A bonus against electricity is probably more common than a bonus against fey/plants, although that depends on campaign. Losing venom immunity kinda hurts, but being unaffected by any wind is neat. I'd say it was a sidegrade if it wasn't for the wildshape delay. Slightly worse overall, different specialization, can be better if that specialization is relevant, worse if you run into fey/plants a lot. Flight is awesome, but relatively easy to get by the time you get it free, and some races have it baked in.
>>44194753
No, it's devils. Daemons are NE, the evil incarnate, the ones who hunt souls for sport (and possibly food) in Abaddon.
>>44194753
Daemons will fuck you over though. They want everything dead, including you.
>>44194783
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/s-z/souleater
>>44194776
Because I posted too early, I'd say that it's not noticeably different, so fluff preference is the deciding factor. Unless you know you're going to run into a lot of stuff resist nature's lure applies against, I guess.
>>44194753
Well, daemons don't exactly buy souls, they harvest in every possible way. If you want to sell a soul, you're better off with a devil.
>>44194810
>>44194776
Thanks, anon! What about Saurian Shaman?
I have written up a revision and reorganization of /pfg/'s tier list.
http://pastebin.com/mdqKLJuD
Is this sound enough to be worthy of inclusion in the link repository?
>>44193862
>>44193914
Although Shelyn defeated Zonny and stole his awesome glaive by herself, if memory serves, so she could probably defend herself from Lamashtu trying to rape her. I could see Lamashtu faking a soft side enough to mislead Shelyn into giving her a chance, but can't hold Shelyn when she realizes she's been deceived.I kinda like the idea of their children being taken and raised by Shelyn to be incredibly scary-looking monsters that are actually gentle and good-natured as representatives of inner beauty trumping outer appearances.
How do I become the king of Rusty Dagger Shanktown?
My DM is running a three session campaign, Core only, no 3PP. We're starting at level one and he said we'll get a level every session, so this means the game will end with the players at level 3.
tl;dr how can I be the biggest faggot with such a low power level?
>>44195448
If it ends at level 3, there's a pretty good chance the Barbarian can be king.
Or be a complete asshole and do Heavens Oracle and just Color spray everything retarded, boss fights included.
>>44195448
Aasimar Heavens Oracle
>>44195448
Barbarian
>>44195020
Limited nature bond has fewer options, but if you want to be a dinosaur druid that doesn't matter because you'd want one of those anyway.
Free conditional bonus is free and a bonus.
Totem transformation is cool and possibly worth delayed wild shape, especially if you start at/near sixth level anyway.
Totemic summons is great because it gives you standard action summons and dinosaurs can be decent beatsticks. T-rexes, anklyosaurus, and fliers are good as usual. It replaces a late-game ability that you probably don't care about because it kicks in really late and can be duplicated by a cheap magic item, so that's good.
Delayed wild shape is a downside and the character level penalty would suck if you didn't presumably always want to be a dinosaur anyway.
Bonus feats are nice, but they come in late and only Power Attack is really great out of that list. See if you can use the later bonus feats as retrain fodder, maybe. It replaces poison immunity, which kind of hurts.
Overall, assuming you want to be a big fucking melee druid who turns into dinosaurs, it's great. And given that you asked about a dinosaur archetype that probably is what you wanted. If it's not, then uh, of course the dinosaur stuff isn't great if you don't want dinosaurs.
>>44195346
Pf adept is not tier 4. In 3.5 it was barely in tier 4, carried by the fact that it had the significantly more powerful spellcaster feats from 3.5, a cleric domain, and 3.5's polymorph to keep it relevant in the later levels. It doesn't have the tools to actually contribute in pf.
If pf adept is tier 4, kineticist should be as well, because the latter can actually do better things.
>>44195448
Aasimar Heavens Oracle. Pump charisma, get Noble Scion (War) for Cha to initiative, spam color spray, carry a scythe or other CdG weapon and don't dump Str.
Or just be a barbarian.
>>44195605
You are correct. I was copy and pasting the baseline class tiers from the original /pfg/ tier list; I suppose the adept deserves a push down to tier 5.
What does this mean?
concentration + 1 round/level
Its a level 4 spell and I have an int mod of 6 and I am level 8
>>44195697
It lasts for as long as you spend a standard action every round to concentrate on it, then for one round per caster level afterward. The second bit would be eight rounds in your case, assuming no CL boosters. Since fights are usually very short and it'll last 8 rounds anyway, it's rarely worth the time to concentrate. Although note that once you stop concentrating you can't just decide to start concentrating again as far as I know.
>>44195697
It means the spell lasts for as long as the character concentrates on it (casting no other spells and I think spending a standard to maintain the spell every turn), and then when you stop concentrating it lasts a number of additional rounds equal to your level.
>>44195656
Yeah, that. Kineticist as tier 5 with major upgrades is how I'd write it, so I otherwise agree with your assessment in there, and would favor it replacing the current tier list pastebin.
>>44195697
It lasts for as long as you concentrate on it (a standard action each round after casting) plus 1 round per caster level (so 8 rounds here).
>>44195621
>>44195552
>Awesome Display (Su): Your phantasmagoric displays accurately model the mysteries of the night sky, dumbfounding all who behold them. Each creature affected by your illusion (pattern) spells is treated as if its total number of Hit Dice were equal to its number of Hit Dice minus your Charisma modifier (if positive).
Oh lawd
>>44195749
>>44195733
So if someone interrupts my concentration, on the round that it continues to persist due to the +1, can I resume concentration and keep it going, or no?
>>44195826
Read the last sentence mate. And it'll keep going for 1 round PER CASTER LEVEL, so eight rounds for you.
>Although note that once you stop concentrating you can't just decide to start concentrating again as far as I know.
>Since fights are usually very short and it'll last 8 rounds anyway, it's rarely worth the time to concentrate
Read, nigga, read.
>>44195826
>So if someone interrupts my concentration, on the round that it continues to persist due to the +1, can I resume concentration and keep it going, or no?
You can't resume concentration, no.
>>44195758
Perhaps it would be best to list down the kineticist according to specific "element"?
Tier 3: Kineticist (Gambler archetype [DSP])
Tier 4: Kineticist (Air or Earth element)
Tier 5: Kineticist (Aether, Fire, Water, Wood, or Void element)
Is this agreeable to everyone?
>>44193235
Yeah, but you do dimension door a few times a day. This you can do every two rounds or so.
>>44195902
Aren't tiers based on shit available to all builds, not just a few? I admit I don't understand kineticist well because I never looked too deeply into that pile of hot garbage, but specific elements would seem to go against that.
>>44195902
Besides Gambler, classing Kinetecist higher than 6 is being overly generous.
>>44196033
Tier 6 is not being able to do anything at all.
The kineticist needs a LOT of fixing, but it can still DO things.
>>44195951
I am trying to be more precise by listing down the "major upgrades" available to each class that can push it up within its tier, or possibly up the tiers themselves.
>>44196033
I am reluctant to place the kineticist (Aether, Fire, Water, Wood, or Void element) in tier 6, because it does bring to bear more combat and noncombat utility than a warrior or an expert could ever hope to achieve. That could at least qualify it for "low power, medium flexibility."
So I found the distinction between daemon and demon to be absurdly pedantic. Instead I decided to call them both demons and then conjecture a reason for using the same name. The ones on Abaddon used the name first and the ones on Abyss were named after their creators. Whenever demonologists were called on to distinguish the two, they lazily labeled those from Abyss as deuces.
Critique?
>>44196466
I thought part of the point of it was that it was pedantic.
>>44196466
Just call the Daemons Yuguloth.
>>44196103
What do you mean needs fixing? My friend is splooging all over the Kinectists saying you can be a DBZ guy with it.
>>44196512
Pathfinder's daemons are entirely separate from yugoloths in terms of backstory, abilities, subraces, motivations, goals, and modus operandi, even though daemons were written by the internet's #1 yugoloth fan, Todd Stewart.One of the PCs in one of my campaigns is an arcanaloth yugoloth.
>>44196565
Your friend is deeply misguided.
>>44196500
No, the AD&D writers were very lazy when they had to come up with a name for the NE race. Paizo refused to change the name because they didn't want idiots asking where the daemons are.
>>44192841
I magus is a guy who utilizes a combat style wherein you alternately smack people with the RPG and launch rockets from it
Obviously
Question for the DSP guys.
If you had the opportunity to, with no questions asked, release something of your own creation for Dreamscarred Press right now, what would it be and why?
Would it be a new martial discipline? A new class? New psionic powers? An entirely new subsystem?
>>44196687
Pathfinder 2e.
>>44196466
They're not really the same in terms of flavor and motivation.
Is the Occult Mystery good?
It looks like it would thematically match the haunted curse.
>>44196737
THAC0
>>44196687
A Shrek class.
>>44196687
Spelljammer ported over to pathfinder
>>44196687
They're apparently working on a new system entirely, and Gareth said he'd been wanting to finish the fae book for years.
I am currently updating the link repository; are there any homebrew links that /pfg/ would like to nominate for inclusion?
>>44196972
Add the trove
>>44196972
The Jyoti and Bodak races.
>>44196877
Seconding that.
>>44196750
So? The in-story logic is when the first fiends rose on Abaddon they called themselves demons. When they incited the abyssal larvae to metamorphose into fiends, they called those demons too. When someone decided calling them both demons was too confusing, they named the second group deuces.
The differences between them are trivial. Both rampage and destroy. Whether they do it for funsies or nihilism is a pedantic distinction.
>>44196603I played an Arcanaloth Wizard in a planescape campaign. It was one of the most fun characters I've ever played.
>>44197031
>>44197044
Could you please provide any relevant links?
>>44197073
I'll check in the archive.
It may have been over a week ago, though.
>>44197058
>The differences between them are trivial
No, not really. Daemons simply want life to cease, ultimately including themselves. Demons often tempt mortals into sin to try to make more of them.
>>44197073
https://mega.nz/#F!vIJn1Y6Q!MbyyqQK6u0tWWSAimsIjiw!iAoC0Qba
Just add this. It's a hassle to copy paste that everytime someone asks.
>>44197073
http://pastebin.com/rdb5itP3
Hey, /pfg/, I've got a question about Sandpoint. My character is a native, but the DM has ruled I'd be too poor to have a house of my own. It's unlikely I'd be living with family, due to the Black Sheep background trait. So I was wondering, is Titus Scarnetti still rich enough to have his own household guard? I could be living his barracks, but he said he didn't have enough information to make an educated guess as to whether it was a plausible solution or not.
Does anyone else know where we could find some information?
>>44196603
My DM let me be a Marraenoloth yugoloth ages ago. It was awesome fun.
Why are wizards rated so highly on the tier list, can some pls explain?
>>44197160
If you're a rogue, just kill someone and move into their house and use Bluff/Disguise Self shenanigans to become them.
>>44197205
Because they're wizards?
Stupid question.
>>44197205
Are you entirely unfamiliar with wizards, entirely unfamiliar with what determines tiers, or both?
>>44197205
Because wizards can fuck reality in the ass.
>>44197254
Both
>>44197097
Devils tempt mortals to sin. Neutral evil is about ambition not nihilism. Chaotic evil is prone to pointless destruction. The whole system of correspondence and pidgeonholing breaks down when you really think about it.
>>44197205
Because at mid to high levels they can do literally anything other classes can do, and wizards do it better. Eventually they get to skullfuck reality so hard that the GM have to either retcon the whole affair or end the campaign.
>>44197270
Tiers are this weird heriarchy that /pfg/ cares about that lists exactly how powerful a class is in all forms of situations.
Wizards are really strong and really versatile, and so go at the top.
>>44197270
Tiers are based on how many solutions you have to how many problems. Wizards have the capability to have multiple solutions to any conceivable problem.
>>44197274
Gee maybe there's more than one possible motivation for each given alignment. Succubi are the iconic demon and they're all about temptation, plus a zillion others than tempt in various ways.
>>44197109
I will add this to the pastebin.
>>44197143
This pastebin, on the other hand, I am more wary of. These races are on the *very* powerful side, perhaps even slightly more powerful than the wyrwood and the strix.
I would prefer to hold the homebrew links to a high level of quality standards.
Is there a way for a druid to gain access to spells from cleric spell list?
>>44197214
Not the rogue type and too popular for that. People know my face as "a troublemaker and a bastard."
>>44197320
Be a samsaran and take Mystic Past Life.
>>44197312
>wyrwood
>cannot increase HP in any truly viable way
>dies at 0 HP
>strong
>>44197320
Take a domain instead of an AC.
>>44197270
By virtue of how spellbooks work, given enough time, a wizard can and will learn every spell that exists. Coupled with metamagic feats and class features, this gives the player pretty much unlimited options to deal with any and all situations.
They can do pretty much anything that is relevant to their setting/campaign at their current level, at any level.
>>44197305
>>44197288
And sorcerers are they on par with wizards? I looked at the chart and saw false prophet up there.
>>44197331
>>44197351
Ugh, that's sad. Anything for an existing character, like an item (short of scrolls) or a feat (or chain)? Multiclassing is out of the question.
>>44197327
What class are you? I have millions of ideas to get free housing. We can make this work.
Tell me your level/gear/gold as well.
>>44197371
Sorcerers gain spells at a slower level and learn less of them, but they can use them whenever they want (a wizard needs to plan a little bit ahead of time and pick his spells at the start of the day, barring using feats/etc to switch them around).
If you're savvy with your spell choices, sorcerers are almost as powerful as wizards.
>>44197371
Sorcerers a shit unless the spell selection is good. False Priest can spend his own spell slots to cast from divine scrolls and wands, so he eventually, with gold and time, gets every divine spell AND the full sorcerer array of spells.
>>44197371
No. Wizards get so many spells so quickly, that it's easy for them to have an answer to anything, especially since they can leave specific slots unprepared. Being able to write spells into their books really helps. Base sorcerer has delayed progression and few ways to get more spells. It's why the human FCB is so great. False prophet helps with that, which is why it's T1.
>>44197332
You are still enjoying perfect caster ability score bonuses (+2 Dexterity, +2 Intelligence, -2 Charisma), Small size, construct immunities, and a base +10 hit points from being a construct.
>>44197432
The problem is that +10 doesn't scale well with more HD like a Con bonus does, and it doesn't boost Fortitude saves against things constructs aren't immune to, like disintegrate, like Con does.
>>44197419
When are you really going to be in a situation where False Priest actually makes sense for a player to be? If you're playing on Golarion, you have to be a very specific place to become one and campaigns almost never go there.
Can Ecclesitheurge takes Inquisition instead of a second domain?
>>44197461
Just take Finding Haldeen; it grants HP by class level and not HD.
>>44197506
>fluff matters
KEK
>>44197461
The higher in level you rise, the more those construct immunities will matter, because the more you will be exempted from many a dangerous effect.
Disintegrate is still an issue, but I would rather be vulnerable to Disintegrate than vulnerable to all manner of Fortitude/Will-save-or-lose effects, particularly given Pathfinder's downgrades to Death Ward and Mind Blank.
>>44197506
The thing in question is an archetype, not a prestige class. And archetypes don't have prerequisites.
>>44197506
My DM doesn't give a fuck about dumb shit like that.
>What class you want senpai
>Oh okay cool
>Let's do this
>>44197506
Play Kamen Rider Razmiran Priest. Razmir kidnapped and modified you. You escaped can now collecting resource/allies and out for revenge.
>>44197382
Lvl 1 Symbiotic Knight (from Spheres of Power)
Got a couple hundred gold and my gear is magically summoned.
>>44197529
So you play a game just to do math, then?
>>44197572
Level 1-2 is when low casters in Spheres are most powerful.
>>44197556
What's a kamen rider?
>>44197583
Yes
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/sacred-geometry
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/arithmancy
>>44197583
Not him, but the default fluff on a class matters very little, and is not (and should not) be a restriction on what can and can't be played. I play the game for the collaborative storytelling opportunities, and when I like fluff on something, I use it. When I don't, I substitute my own.
>>44197606
You are not an ally of justice.
>>44197205
The Tiers about about Narrative Control/competence, not solely combat capability.
>>44197606
Kamen Rider was a motorcycle stunt driver that got kidnapped by Shocker, an evil organization doing experiments on brainwashing people and turning them into cyborgs.
In the situation of Kamen Rider, they fucked up and did the cyborgization process first rather than the brainwashing, and he broke free and escaped.
From that point on, he was a bad ass motorcycling cyborg that used his super cyborg strength to shut down the organization and fight their army of retards, monsters and cyborgs.
>>44197644
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/sacred-geometry
what the fuck am i looking at
>>44197309
Then why do we need a dozen different races of fiend when we could easily have just one that would be versatile enough to fulfill all the same roles? We already have angels and oni varying in alignment, it's not a big leap.
>>44197687
The most powerful feat in the game.
>>44197699
Because that's how d20/PF engines work. It's not GURPS.
More options = more reason for someone to feel special.
>>44197687
Math.
>>44197703
That's not Finding Haldeen.
>>44197687
The "Paizo licks caster cunt" in the form of a feat. If you can't see why this is awesome or think it's too hard to use it, you are a subhuman unworthy of wielding the power of wizardry.
>>44197744
But Finding Haleen is a trait, not a feat.
>>44197744
Finding Haleen is a trait you subhuman mongoloid.
>>44197585
It's not when we're rich and have money for houses, though.
>>44197767
>>44197778
Extra Traits
>>44197699
For christ's sake, not this shit again.
>>44197745
how do I stop being shit at math
What dies that do
>>44197816
It is also a campaign trait only available in legeacy of fire, so your argument is moot.
>>44197830
GitP had a couple of threads with a detailed guide to use of this feat. Look it up.
>>44197855
Campaign traits can become generic.
>>44197830
The feat is ridiculous for two reasons
1) Benefit(s): When you take this feat, select two metamagic feats you do not yet have.
EVEN JUST THIS WOULD BE STUPID FUCKING GOOD.
But then...
2) When casting a spell, you can perform the steps below to spontaneously apply the effects of either or both of these metamagic feats, as well as any other metamagic feats you have, to the spell without expending a higher-level spell slot.
Normally, applying metamagic to a spell increases it according to the metamagic feat.
Let's use Maximize Spell, for example. Maximize Spell means that if you would normally roll dice for something during a spell to determine an effect, just take the max possible roll. This means instead of rolling 10d6 when casting Fireball at level 10, you would just literally do 60 damage with your fireball. The side effect, of course, is that in order to do so, you would need to cast Fireball with a level 6 spell slot instead of a level 3.
THIS feat means you just cast it from a level 3 slot, as long as you're not a retard and can do some prime constant math. Oh, but wait. The feat specifies you get to apply TWO metamagic feats to the spell, for free. Such as twinning the spell, making it last long, etc.
It's literally FUCK YOU I'M A WIZARD - The feat.
>>44197923
Just like you mom. Doesn't mean I taker her /every/ night.
>>44197379
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?296803-Pathfinder-mini-guide-Casting-spells-from-other-lists
>>44197724
So a bad case of drizzt clone/special snowflake syndrome? I suppose that explains why every fiend type has members who fulfill standard roles like "totally not an imp," "totally not a succubus, "totally not a balor," etc.
>Started Hell's Rebels campaign
>Brought up Milani during chargen
>Explained that the ebil gubment is the target in this AP.
>Group collectively decided that they'd become ISIS.
>>44197984
Err, kind of. Except Drizzt clone means people wanna be exactly like Drizzt, and not their own thing, so the variety would be pointless.
Snowflake syndrome, yes. But that's 99% of the point to playing most tabletop games. It's a snowflake dick swinging contest.
>Everyone is a special snowflake
>Uh oh, the snowflakes don't see eye to eye!
>Oh god they're killing each other!
>I knew this would happen!
>>44198025
>The plucky CG rebels campaign takes a dark turn
Tell Paizo about that sometime, maybe it'll put them off of doing another one for a while.
>>44197950
Also people have made apps to do the math for them.
And it's purportedly impossible for the necessary calculations to fail once you're at a specific level.
>>44198103
As a DM willing to let people take Sacred Geometry, I would *not* allow them to use apps, because that ruins the spirit of fun in the feat.
Also, I give them six seconds to do the math required, because combat just doesn't stop when the wizard decides he needs to sit down and figure out the math required to empower his spell with cheese. Unless he wants to skip his turn and do math.
>>44198025
Bonus points if one of them worships Sarenrae
>>44197950
So it's
>take two metamagics
>just use them whenever
>>44198131
I personally feel that even with that (Which is pretty funny and I don't think anybody but the most mathematical would take it then), Sacred Geo is just a counterproductive feat.
It relies on the PLAYER's ability, not the character's. The character might be doing all the calculations and such, but that should be represented by a skill check, like everything else in the game. Instead, the PLAYER effectively has to do the skill check.
This is the critical issue with it.
>>44198205
So far it's just Milani, because of the bullshit "Here's bonus stat increases for you metagaming fucks, as long as you worship JJ's waifu" stuff.
>>44198220
You can take it multiple times to gain even more metamagic to use.
>>44198220
It lets you use any metamagics whenever, plus two extra that you don't even have the feats for.
>>44198237
Fuck.
Guess what feat I'm using because I have no dignity.
>>44198268
Guess what feat your GM won't let you use.
