Let's talk about it
Gee Billy, how come your mom let's you produce two anuses?
>>44156927
Mark Tedin > Mike McDigital
changing the borders with mirroden was a mistake
>>44156927
What's there to talk about? It's the same thing. This just allows colorless to be distinguished from non.
Can we talk about this?
>>44157531
Is it ok that i think both are shit?
Lorwyn is the only block with good art.
>>44159903
Shut up, Rebecca.I still love u, bby.
>>44159903
>Lorwyn is the only block with good art.
And it was deemed a total failure. We shall never see its likes again.
>>44157531
>See elvish mystic.
Next we are going to get a "Sol Disc."
>>44160143
That is a shame it was my favorite aswell
>>44156927
Why was art so shit in 1993?
>>44160196
Budgets, talent pool, changing tastes. It was great art for its time.
>>44160128
who the fuck is rebecca? I just play the card game, not usually into news and info on it's celebs if it's someone I should know.
>>44160143
IIRC it was something about it creating complicated board states.
>>44160196
Look at this fucking savage.
>>44160243
>>44160159
Sol Ring is not a plane-exclusive name. So never you dummy.
Though, a Fyndhorn Ring might be good.
>>44160310
Oh... I don't usually look the names of the artists. Nice to know a woman can design MERMAIDS that are beautiful while still looking inhuman and like they want to rip your flesh out.
>>44160143
It's a shame the best sets for flavor were ruined by parasitic design. You'd think WotC would figure out how to make things flavorful without making things parasitic already.
Splice for instance: It would still be insanely flavorful if it was a more generic "splice onto red instant, or splice onto white sorcery", etc.
Ninjutsu was a pretty great mechanic, ruined by low power and a shitty name. It still would have been flavorful if it was called sneak attack or disguise or something.
>>44160243
Rebecca Guay was an artist for Magic a little less than ten years ago. She was 'notorious' for her art style, which was soft, ephemeral, and resembled stained glass. A vocal group of people disapproved of her style (claiming it was too childish for a serious game like Magic), and her art was generally phased out of Standard (she didn't get new cards and reprints had new artists).
These events were humoresly depicted in Unhinged cards such as Persecute Artist and Little Girl.
Examples of her art include (I'm pretty sure) Auramancer and particularly a number of pieces in the Lorwyn/Shadowmoor block.
>>44160433
>>44160433
http://magiccards.info/query?q=a%3A%22Rebecca+Guay%22&v=card&s=cname if you want them all.
>>44160384
I hope you're not implying that Lorwyn OR Shadowmoor were parasitic.
>>44160243
Here are cards with her art.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&artist=+[Rebecca]+[Guay]
>>44160433
The shitty part is she is now regarded as one of the best magic artists, and fans go apeshit over your stuff. Same with Teresse Nelson.
>>44160243
>who the fuck is rebecca?
This actually makes me sad.
She's never coming back, is she? I keep holding out hope that maybe someday she'll be back, but...
>>44160219
>for its time
Good things remain good for all time.
If something is no longer good, or has gotten less good, it was never good to begin with. Goodness cannot be diminished.
>>44160371
mate I hate to break it to you but there are women who are successful artists, engineers, scientists, teachers, doctors, writers, playwrights, and any number of other jobs.
The fact that Guay is a woman is about as relevant as the color of her hair in regards to her artistic ability.
>>44160622
>not a single new Rebecca art for the Lorwyn cards in Magic Origins
>no new Mark Tedin art for BFZ when he was the one to design the Eldrazi and the hedrons
Magicartis dead.
Kamigawa and Lorwyn were two of the best blocks in terms of setting and flavor.
But because they both proceeded blocks noted for their powerlevel and complexity, Kamigawa and Lorwyn suffered for it. It's the same thing that happened to Mercadian Masques due to Urza's.
So, because they were overshadowed by and nerfed because of their predecessors, they're considered the "bad" blocks and will probably never be revisited.
>>44160624
>Look at me, I'm activelly not being a biggot by opposing anyone who might point how there's less women in the hobby and is surprised when one actually dedicates herself to it instead of whoring attention
go back to /pol/
>>44160901
the fuck are you on about.
>>44160622
>>44160619
>>44160433
You mean she doesn't make art for Magic anymore? Please, say it ain't so. I remember one of the first cards I ever had was a Regenerate that a friend gave to me and I still think it has the most beautiful art I've ever seen on a Magic card
>>44160794
Lorwyn wasn't nerfed. Lorwyn was notorious for complexity, and was in fact one of the reasons why they instituted NWO - because it was TOO complex in Limited (aka where the complexity of commons matters when it doesn't involve new players)
It was also known for faeries causing havoc and being The Best Deck.
Kamigawa's power level problems were a huge factor to its downfall, but unfortunately so was its flavor - not many people actually understood it, since when people thought 'japanese set' they thought anime bullshit, not a fairly faithful yet still Magic version of Shinto. Which is stupid but unfortunately true - I was one of the few people that actually got it in my area, back when it was being released. Entire first set was 'where are the ninjas'
>>44161130
I believe the last new art they've had her do was the art for Channel in FTV Exiled in 2009. She did the art for Regeneration in M10 that same year. That's it since Lorwyn/Shadowmoor.
It's a shame, because she's my favorite artist in Magic's history.
>>44160371
gender shit aside your right she did do a good job of that
>rebecca guay
>mark tedin
>rk post
>richard kane ferguson
>phil and kaja foglio
Remember when Magic art was unique and memorable and how often you could tell who the artist was just by looking at the art?
>>44161655There was a time when I could tell who painted which card for every card printed. I miss those times.
>>44161469
She did the new Serra Angel
>>44161655
Don't worry, you can recognise the new artists just fine. There is no way you can mistake Wayne Reynolds for anyone.
>>44161655
B... But... LENS FLARES! DYNAMIC ACTION! XXXTREME DETAIL!
>>44161695
>new
>>44161695
The Rebecca Guay art they used for Serra Angel in FTV Angels is actually from the mid-90's when she was the artist on the Serra Angel comic Wizards put out. The comic came with an oversized Serra Angel card drawn by Guay.
>>44161759
Sir, can you please stop twisting that knife?
>>44161806
>>44161759
Reynolds isn't so bad when everyone else is just using the same Photoshop brushes over and over again. A healthy dose of Reynolds is fine for a Magic set.
>>44161759
At least Reynolds is allowed his own distinctive and unique style, most of the artists these days are extremely confined by the WotC official style guide.
>>44161759
Wayne Reynolds is goddamn Leonard da Vinci compared to 95% of other modern Magic artists. He at least has a recognizable style that isn't just "generic MtG fantasy action".
>>44161655
Karl Kopinski is viewable from miles away.
>>44161891
The things is, even for how confined by the official style guides the modern artists are, they still can't draw recurring characters consistently.
>>44161836
Holy fuck, that is pretty cool.
>>44161841
I made the "twisting the knife" comment, but...
You're right. His style isn't to my liking, and represents most of what is terrible about artwork in modern gaming, but at least Reynolds does ONLY work in traditional media. Mainly Acrylic on paper. Unlike virtually everyone else who is using INNERNET ILLUSTRATOR 9000. I guess with him the biggest problem has been over-saturation.
Well, at least we still have Nielsen.
>>44162127
its like settling for the other first-place car in a different race.
I auctualy like the art style they use these days but god dam i would like to see the occasional card with a different style it doesent all have to look the same.
>>44162127
Fuck, I am so glad I bought these.
>>44162214
THIS
>>44162127
Nielsen is closes modern Magic has to Guay caliber art.
>>44162245
I... I've never had a waifu before.
What's it feel like? I might have fallen in love with card board, and I need to diagnose this.
>>44162214
Yeah, that's the biggest problem with current magic art. It's all so samey. The recent eldrazi cards are a prime example of everything looking the same.
Now it's the best time to post this, I guess.
>>44162361
Do you feel the need to place it in a conspicuous place in your room somewhere, either on the wall, in statue form, or as a daki cover?
If so, congrats, you have fallen down the slippery slope.
>>44162402
God fucking damn that's wonderful.
Quinton Hoover
Rebecca Guay
Terese Nielsen.
The holy trinity of good magic artists.
>>44162451
>quinton hoover
:(
>>44162433
Shit. So you're saying soon I'll be green texting:
>ywn have her look down with disgust at you as she allows you to pleasure her.
SHIT. It's already started.
>>44162465
I know, anon. It hurts.
>>44157102
I thought the new artifact frames fit well for Mirrodin's artifacts, but on the whole I'd say a more bronze/brass colored frame closer to the original would be better for artifacts in most blocks.
>>44162507
>>44162465
>>44162451
I know, I just love that Quentin Hooper guy's art! XD
>>44161655
>Not being able to recognize Nils Hamm, Chase Stone, Zoltan Boros, and Terese Nielsen on sight
You can also usually instantly recognize Wayne Reynolds and Steve Argyle, but that's because they're shit.
>>44162863
i know johanness voss from a mile away, but thats becasue i love the cards they have done
>>44160384
Honestly, there's no reason why splice needs to be parasitic -- or at least not as tightly parasitic as it is, being a block-specific thing. They could easily use the Arcane subtype out of Kamigawa. There's nothing inherently setting-specific about the word (unlike ninjutsu or bushido), even if it did have a particular setting-specific flavor in its first introduction.
>>44160384
>>44163309
Splice should have just been Splice with no qualifier. Just pay the splice cost to add it to any instant or sorcery. The splice cards could have been great.
>>44162402
Ooooh, Ertai?
>>44163413
Yep, it's Ertai.
The deck is pretty shit compared to all the synergy-heavy decks everyone else has but at least my deck is the prettiest to look at.
>>44163309
>>44163370
A shame that's no longer possible.
Thanks, Overload.
>>44161655
I believe Maro actually put out an article about how a single homogenous artstyle was supposedly better for the game.
>>44163370
Splice onto anything could open up a huge can of worms.
I'd like to see Splice with a lot of different possible qualifiers. It's a fun mechanic.
>>44163579
I'd believe it. I'd imagine he says that having too many art styles was confounding new players and making them shit their pants in confusion.
>>44163370
Unqualified splice would probably have been too much. But splice onto arcane could still have been decent, if it weren't for the fact that arcane spells (like so much else in Kamigawa block) were almost all overcosted, and if they continued supporting the arcane subtype outside of that one block. It wouldn't even need to be in every single block, just once every few years like other periodically-recurring keywords would be fine.
Theoretically it could still be possible to bring back splice onto arcane and make a sizable chunk of new arcane spells that aren't so janky. And the text for the ability in the comp rules actually leaves it open to splice onto any kind of subtype, so they could have "splice onto trap", or even "splice onto <creature type>" for a tribal block (assuming they make some tweaks to the full rules for splice to specify non-permanent spells only), or invent new subtypes for splicing. But since WotC seems hell-bent on making the game as simplistic and non-threatening as possible to shovel sales down the throats of the widest possible customer base, I'm not holding much hope of getting nice things like that.
>>44161655
Pete Venters is based I say.
>>44163579
i like Maro but he has some funny ideas
although in this case he is probably right most of /tg/ would want variety but the game needs new players and a single artstyle helps draw them in
>>44156927
>Then
MAGICAL RING OF FUCKING ETERNAL FLAME, GIVES YOU 2 FUCKING MANA.
LITERALLY MEANS SUN RING.
FUCKING FLAME RING
>Now
Tap the one anus to give you 2 colonless mana.
>>44161931
My man!
Also: Jason Engle
>>44160143
>swamp that's actually a SWAMP rather than ooga booga death land
>>44160433
I miss her...
rip guay
>>44165190
touch the silver anus to produce twice that many silver anuses
I'd buy a Serra Angel playmat, but I'd just be terrified of scratching it.
http://rebeccaguaymtgartstore.weebly.com/playmats.html
>>44160433
Are you shitting me? Back when I played Magic players in my LGS would go crazy for a card with Rebecca's artwork.
>>44166173
Rebecca Guay art seems to have a strange effect on us nerds.
Most "hot fantasy women" art causes UNF, has people raving about Waifus and printing body pillows, and typing with one hand. Obvious examples include Ethersworn Cannonist, any Liliana printing, Solandi-Nissa.
But Guay just causes wistful sighing, and staring into the distance silently.
>>44163579
MaRo also put out a goddamn article where he took a fantasy journey through time to visit a young Richard Garfield and showed him how much better he had made his game, while Richard had no input except for to marvel at MaRo's FUCKING SMARTPHONE.
I cannot fathom a more out-of-touch, self-fellating person.
>>44163732
Have "Splice into *colored* Sorcery/Instants". See?
>>44163579
MaRo is a living jew businessman caricature.
I always liked drew tucker
>>44167093
Storm
>>44160433
>it was too childish for a serious game like Magic
Wait what?
>>44167720
Yes, I don't know if you've noticed but Magic has been pushing a very hyper-masculine "badass" style for a while now.
>>44161655
>Mark "MORE VEINS" Tedin
>Richard "The details have details" Kane Ferguson
>rk "What the fuck is a pupil?" post
>Rebecca "Outlines are my favorite color" Guay
>Phil and Kaja "Meme dream team supreme" Foglio
I kid, though. All of them are greatexcept the Foglios who really don't belong.
>>44162127
>>44162245
I'm glad Nielsen is a lesbian. She does great pretty girls.
>>44167766
>art
>hyper-masculine
>>44167983
Yes anon, masculine is a descriptive word.
>>44167996
Show me some art with a "masculine" style, anon.
Thoughts on Brom?
>>44162532
Wasn't talking about just artifacts, but how they changed all the borders. It's sterile, which is the word I would use to describe mtg art design these days.
>>44166500The tedin version was better
>>44161655
What about Chippy?
>>44168031
One of my favorite artists.
>>44168031
His backgrounds are usually very flat. This makes his illustrations seem kind of bland even though the subjects are very well-done. Cards like Mirri's Guile and Predatory Hunger are some of his best work because he actually put some detail in there.
>>44168080
Wait, Chippy stopped getting commissions? God damn it. His art was great. Esper a best.
>>44162045
Working with digital tools isn't the easy way out, anon. It's just a different media.
I'd argue it is easier, since the program automates the construction and arrangement of features like gradients or filters, allows you to move and reorganize portions of a work after placing them, and has an undo button.
With traditional mediums, the undo button consists of a fresh piece of paper. You have to get it right from start to finish.
>>44168457
Not easier. Just more convenient. You can just paint over mistakes, but the paint has to dry first, which can take a week or so, if you're working with oil. Acrylic paint is really easy to work with and dries pretty fast, which is the reason so many illustrators who are under a certain time pressure prefer it over oil. If you know your way around acrylic it's even faster than digital, because you don't have to readjust your framing, color and tools after every few brushtrokes.
>>44168507
>Not easier. Just more convenient.
Most would argue that convenience is a form of ease.
>>44166846
>just causes wistful sighing, and staring into the distance silently.
A better class of waifu, if a less popular one.
Does no one here like Jason Chan? He is one of the artists that I can easily spot without a very remarking art style.
>>44167766
Oh right, like that one card art with the green wizard standing over that black bitch planeswalker and inviting her to prom?
>>44167999
Look up Simon Bisley's work.
Even his women are pretty damn muscular. I will post a tame picture here though.
>>44167766
Are you literally retarded? Magic has always been the "adult" TCG. See: all the edgy phyrexian cards, demonic shit, etc
Magic is significantly more kid-friendly now than it ever was.
>>44161836
I want a playset
>>44168757
Did Bruce just get the bat suit tattooed on so he could superhero naked?
>>44160143
I love the shit out of that flowery swamp.
>tfw you legitimately don't like Rebecca Guay's art style
I don't frothingly hate it or anything, it just doesn't do anything for me. That said, I'd rather have her than Reynolds or Argyle, but I'd also rather have more Terese Nielsen than Guay.
>>44162245
I've been trying to build a decently successful Modern deck around FuryKroma for months, and now I'm sure it's time.
Make some suggestions, anons? Flickering her I know about already, as I've run one in Death and Taxes for a while, but I'm curious about cheating her in through other means. Jeskai Gifts, maybe? Extraplanar Lens in Skred? Nykthos?
>>44160623
Does this mean that what was not good at its time, but is good now, was never good?
Been a while since I stopped playing Magic, is Ron Spencer still doing art for it? Hated the fucker's artstyle, could recognize it from a while away.
>>44169924
>Ron "Thirty-eight pack abs" Spencer
Thankfully not.
tfw you have to cut the card with your favorite art in the game from your legacy deck because it's not good enough anymore.at least I still have Terese Nielsen Natural Order
>>44163579
I can guarantee you I would not even be playing the game if not for the art on terror, something that in 10 years no one will be able to say about the artstyle we have now.
>>44168340
>Working with digital tools isn't the easy way out
But it all looks like shit, and is easily spotted in a line-up of magic art.
>>44170243
That's actually not true. There are a few artists that everyone lambasts for being digital that actually work in traditional media, and vice versa.
Not to mention the fact that even the fuckery that is Nykthos isn't visible at card size, which is really the most important consideration.
>>44170108
if your legacy deck is elves you've made a big mistake
>>44160159
they made elvish mystic because it seemed silly to keep printing a card that referred to somewhere on a plane that hadn't been visited in nearly a decade
>>44166787
>scratching a playmat
just, how?
>>44162127
I'm not a Nielsen fan, it really hit or misses with her, and this dosn't feel like a hit at all.
Rebecca Guay on the other hand is fucking great.
>>44168537
Ease is distinct from easy. One implies convenience, the other implies lack of skill
>>44162402
Fucking hell, Newizzard really has shit taste.
>>44162127
urban legend has it, that she used to be a vanilla 1/1, till she fucked Chuck Norris.
>>44160623
Cato was pretty smart for his time.
>>44170370
Okay, I'll reply. (You)
Talk about what? The fact that while Magic's art has improved on a technical level, it lacks the heart of the older art, even the more amateurish stuff like that on the Sol Ring or Llanawar Elves?
>>44156927
The new art looks completely soulless. It literally looks like CGI. I wouldn't be shocked if it were.
I quite like the original Sol Ring, even though it came from an age when the art of Magic was a mixed bag, at best. It's a simple, iconic design, rendered competently. It looks, well, magical.
2016 looks like something that'll be in EA/Sony/Bungie's latest sci-fi "epic" piece of garbage.
posting glorious Avon mountains from Mirage.
>>44171043
>the heart
What even does this mean? A lot of early Magic art was just amateur artists scribbling stuff without really knowing what they were doing. They didn't have some deep, passionate connection to the material.
>>44171221
Granted, but at least the old art looks like someone actually DREW it, as opposed to the kind of samey CGI bullshit.
>>44169954
>>44169924
You guys don't like ron's work? I've always liked it. Not my favorite, but I think it has its place in the lineup of mtg art as a whole
>>44170370
What do you mean?
>>44167805
>except the Foglios
You take that back. Their art was more in line of caricatures, but it was great and lively.
>>44171715
>yfw the foglios used to draw a porn comicIt is not bad
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