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44115630 (links to games here)
Next official game is:
MONDAY 14th 11AM EST
Okay guys this is the page to plan the future of this game, make trades, offer suggestions and plan your next season with your allies.
The last thread got archived way faster then it should have, it was obviously active, I guess I'm not sure how that works.
>>44129624
Fucking here is the link
>>44115630
Also if anyone interested I have other maps I'd be willing to run a side game for a few hours today
>>44129624
Hello!
>>44129734
Hey! I'm currently working on cleaning up the
game map, hasty photoshoping leads to poor layer managment
Hey lads. Im gonna throw up a recap of my nations current situation, just so I dont lose it from the archived thread. It'll take a few posts so Im gonna link em to this.
Looking to trade, like always
Resources:
>Goldmine producing 175lbs a month
>5 Songbirds (2 males, 3 females)
>5 barrels of Fruit Wine
>A reliable source of Mead presumably since Ive mead halls
>4 dozen Ivory tusks
>Reliable food supply, wheat and fish
>Ivory Workers
>A reliable source of wood
>An Iron mine
>75lbs of unworked Silver
>Medicine
>A supply of glittering pearls
>1.95 Tons of Tusker Meat stored
>Deer Hides
>Cannibal Skulls
Knowledge:
>Advanced Architecture
>Steel Working
>Sailing
>Archery
>Agriculture
>Cartography
>Survivalism
>Tracking
>Ballistae Manufacture
>Mining
Currently Trading for:
>Gemstones (Venicia)
>Horses, horse rearing and shoeing knowledge, the knowledge of how to ferment horse milk, a highway inspection and a barrel of fruit wine (Albatross)
>The knowledge to make Armour Piercing Arrow Heads (Lenqus)
I am Seeking:
>Flying Contraptions
>Medicine
>Yumatsu Fire
>Herbs, Spieces, Fruit
>Compasses
I am allied with Greenland, Lenqus, Zucaea and Venicia and at war with no one
I am still seeking technology/knowledge. I can offer good trades for such and will gladly entertain any other trading offers.
My settlements are as follows:
Capital (Herrenshfestning): (1, 18) Holds 7,000 people as well as the Hall and the Embassy
Gold Mining City (Gullfjellet): (1, 17) Near the capital so not as big but still holds 5k
Trade Port (Buklander): (2, 13) 5k permanent but the population swells and falls with trade.
Misc. City (Stormidtveis): (8, 1) Holds 5k and acts as a local trade hub
Iron Mining City (Svarthoyde): (6, 5) Holds about 5k, a stereotypical mining city
Beyond that, the remaining 10 k are in scattered villages.
Total Population: 37,000
Military Forces: Militia, Coastguard Patrols, Navy, Fortifications
Militia:
7,400 Men at Arms armed as follows; 1 Spear, 1 Shield, 1 Helmet, 1 shield, 1 Maille Shirt, 1 Crossbow, all of weapons of Steel and Wood as appropriate, all armour of Iron and Wood as appropriate
Coastguard:
200 small boats, armed with Crossbows
Navy:
100 Basic Ships, with Ballistae of high quality and power.
10 Dreadnoughts, with double the Ballistae, iron armour and 2 Ballistae dedicated to the projection of Jars of Yumatsu Fire (Carry 10 each)
Fortifications:
2 Fortresses (with Stone Walls, Round Towers and 5 Cannons)
1 Capitol (With Stone Walls, Round Towers and 5 Cannons)
1 City (With Stone Walls and Cannons)
2 Mining Cities (With Stone Walls and Cannons)
1 Trading Port (With Stone Walls and Cannons)
Numerous Small Villages (with Stone Walls)
>Salt
>Fish
>Wood
>Northern wood
>Silver
>Horses
>Domesticated horses
>Monkeys
>Silver jewellery (renewable supply)
>Silverworkers
>Iron
>Iron tools
>Iron weapons
>Ironworkers ??
>Fruit and associated plants (bananas, pineapples, mangos, vanilla and cocoa)
>Pickled fruit
>Fruit wine
>Horse milk
>Fermented horse milk
>A fleet of excellent ships
>13 4ft-long tusks
>A small population of songbirdsl
>Marble
>3 silver-gilded 4ft-long ivory drinking horns
>Knowledge of and skill with magnetism and compassmaking
>Knowledge of cartography
>Knowledge of metalworking
>Knowledge of shipbuilding
>Basic knowledge of wheat agriculture
>Knowledge of ballista-construction
>Knowledge of archery
>Knowledge of arrowhead manufacture
>Knowledge of steelworking
>Alcohol fermentation knowledge
>Tobacco (trivial amount)
>Compasses
>Highway system
>Fine silver-hilted swords
>Wheat and, I assume, wheat seeds
>Gold coins (4,000)
>Chocolate horse milk (Some more "hot chocolate"-like drink might also be good to have)
>Permission to use the transport systems of Lenqus and Northern Soul
>owe one shipment of resources from [11] to Northern Soul
>have to get shipment of 100 horses shoed before delivery to Lenqus (he's supplied steel)
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Looking to trade for
>herbs, spices, fruit
>medicine
>Yomatsu fire
>Maybe some coral
>>44130298
>>44130699
Hey Guys!! Working on the most updated map at the moment
Thinking of starting up a concurrent game on 8 chan, which I hear goes slower but lasts much longer, i.e one season posted every day
>>44129624
Do you still accept new players?
>>44130809
Yes, there is not much room though, as all the nations have been claimed,
However I have been allowing new players to both claim inactive kingdoms and also to play my NPC factions,
which right now are
Pirates-eliminated (for the moment)
Vikings - Taken
Desert Nomads- FREE
Cannibal Islanders - FREE
>>44130964
What will I have to do, to get to play as a knightly order? Or a mercenary group?
>>44131041
I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, why don't you try asking for what it is that you want, and we can use that as a launching point. Note in OP when the next game (on 4chan) is going to start
>>44130964
Vikings? Are they based in those islands in the top-right?
>>44131041
There are a couple nations that might become free on Monday when the game starts up again, since their players pretty much dropped off
>>44131082
>>44131082
Aight, I used to play in these when they were just called "Simple Kingdoms" as Fingolia and Zelant, maybe I'll come back on monday.
>>44131106
Oh hey bro, it's me: Jade Emperor. I'm Lenqus in this game, so if you manage to get in, hit me up.
>>44131127
Sup man. I'll do that.
So what's going on in this game? Who are the big players this time around?
>>44131106
Friend!
I was playing in the simple kingdoms as Nationstate of Won and then Kythos!
Thats why I started this!
>>44131065
Yes go check out the map I posted in the last general or wait for the awesome new map I am working on now
They own the top right 3 islands are claimed by a player. They're looking pretty fearsome
>>44131127
Hey Bro! Didnt realize you were also the Jade Emperor
Am I the only motherfucker from the first thread that wasn't in a similar game previously?
>>44131274
Take a look at what people are posting about their nations. Theres a few.
Greenland is getting pretty Stronk with their work on tanks.
I should probably build a few more forts considering their sorta my specialty.
>>44131326
>>44131364
Greenland was the OP of Simple kingdoms 2 and 4, I only have ever played in Simple Kingdoms 2 and 3
>>44131364
Coolio! I guess I'll start reading the past threads as well then.
>>44131279
Nice. It's always fun to remeet people from the other games.
>>44131480
Oh. Made a good move to get in with them early on then, I hope anyway.
So I was the noob, or one of the noobs, of the first thread. That explains a bit.
>>44131279
Oh also GM, if I replace another player on monday, do I start a new kingdom or just take theirs?
>>44131557
Well I'm a huge noob too, we also went from what was basically a completely free form RP game to a ever evolving made from scratch rules game run by me. Ive never done any of the nation builder or civ games or even read any of them. So my rules were kinda just based on trying to structure the free formness of the Simple Kingoms game. Currently now I'm writing a whole rule set for the next time I do this. Start from a blank map I mean, not next session of this game
>>44131640
Its honestly a mix of both of those things, You start with mostly the same resources and I might let you have some of the previous peoples main tech, but not all of it and you'll start of neutral as far as alliances go
I was wondering if anyone has steel, iron or carbon stuff to sell.
>>44130699
Oh, and Northern Soul owes me a fortification of one area.
Where do I go from here in this game, I wonder? Food and drink, shipping and luxury metalwork seem to be my main niches at the moment.
>>44131659
Cool. Im looking forward to seeing the updated map. Hopefully my roads are on there this time...
>>44131705
Lemme know where ya want fortified bro. It'll need to be your build action, since its your dudes doing the lifting and shit, but my guys will show ye how to make some good walls and shit.
>>44131705
And if ya wanna cut a deal, I can sell you some steel. Lemme know how much ya want and what you'll offer for it
>>44131683
Aight. Which nations might become free? Can I reserve one now?
>>44131832
Yumatsu and Zucaea haven't been on a while. And theres some territory freed up when a dude peaced out down south too. You could take the Desert Nomads and take over that area.
And yeah, these generals are for reserving spots and trading
>>44131832
[13] and [6] are about to be opened up there players were only ever active for a few hours in game 2
Also Open are the
Desert Nomad Faction &
Cannibal Islander faction
However playing these is like doing hard mode because you will start in HARD MODE as the nations want to destroy you
>>44131928
I hope Zucaea show up again. I allied with those fuckers for a reason.
If they don't, Im gonna move in. Gotta protect the people once my ally absconds, ya know?
>>44131928
Oh yeah, is it now a thing that wiping out one of those Factions reveals a hidden resource? That seems to be a trend Im noticing...
>>44131928
I haven't seen [7] and [9] active for a while
>>44132071
[9] dropped in to just say fuck it, and disbanded his nation
>>44132050
Yes
>>44131928
I'll reserve 6 then, in the name of Free Knights of Camaro.
>>44131969
You just got a new neighbor
>>44131928
Cannibal supremacy checking in to say not dead yet
>>44132099
I've actually sort of considered placing tons of boobytraps, statues, unusual loot etc. on my kingdom and then leaving the kingdom as an adventuring country.
>>44132111
...Oh. I...I didnt expect you to just come out and say it. Wellp.
>>44132128
What is your stance, neighbour?
>>44132142
Yet.
>>44132111
Well. I didnt expect you to just come out and say it. Should we let the people playing them know that so they aren't too surprised when they get bumrushed?
>>44132128
A pleasure to make your acquaintance. What is your stance, neighbour?
>>44132142
Emphasis on yet.
>>44132162
The more of us that die the more there is to eat, it's a win win situation
>>44132230
It's no different than taking out another numbered nation for their resources
>>44132274
Op, will these guys eventually get Mad Cow Disease?
>>44132162
>>44132230
I guess I have to wait until the GM decide if I get the land but I'm peaceful and willing to ally with you.
>>44132468
Also, I don't even know what kind of land I have.
>>44132468
I was allied with Zucaea before you. Hell, I fortified their holy forest and got medicine in return. If you are willing, I am amenable. But yeah, we'll need to see what happens
Guys This is my New map WIP, It only has the borders so you guys can see whats up, shortly I'll have the completed map up
>>44132468
Thats Fine, take 6
>>44132386
No lol
>>44132274
I Hope you join the monday game!
>>44132468
Don't forget me brah
>>44132508
Yep. Allying with you too.
>>44132499
Ah well. We shall have to meet them in glorious battle. Are their islands forested?
>>44132499
Will do op, Good work so far man
>>44132499
In what kind of state my predecessor left my state?
>>44132611
Ye had medicine and a fortified forest I think. That was about it.
>>44132627
I guess I have to invest in military then. We are the Free Knights of Camaro after all.
Also, it would be a pleasure to ally with you, if you still want us.
>>44132659
My large population could certainly make use of that medicine
We would be willing to make a deal with you
>>44132627
And while we're at it, can you tell us about our other neighbors?
>>44132692
We would indeed wish to trade with you. What can you trade for us for the medicine?
>>44132659
I will gladly do so. I can help ye out with building your military, if ye so desire. And we would be glad of our your medicines.
>>44132695
As to the neighbours, the Pearl Isles are Cannibals, Greenland is another ally of mine and Stronk as Fuck. Venicia are peaceful explorers, good tech but not much military, though I will defend them if needs be. Mals hasn't done much desu, theyre probably too focused on the warmongers to their south to worry about others. the Stalagian tribes have pretty good infantry and large numbers of it but thats about it
>>44132722
I'll take this as an excuse to post my stats
Technology:
>Railroad
>Metal casting
>Steel forging
>Factory farming
>Armor piercing arrowheads
>Specialized clothing
>Bread and pastry making
>Coral jewelry making
>Food preservation and storage
Local resources:
>Cattle
>Bison
>Wheat
>Corn
>Pumpkin
>Grapes
>Fish
>Coral
>Turtles
>Red, purple, and blue dye
>Iron
>Wood
>Cotton
>Deer
Have obtained by trade:
>Gold from Northern Soul
>Coal from Northern Soul
>Horses from Albatross
>Crossbows from Greenland
>Cannons from Hill and Wood
Have built:
>Glorious golden capital
>Stone wall and forts on eastern border
>Forts along southern coast
>Highway running from the North to South through the country
>Highway running from the East to West through the country
>Joint university to share knowledge with Northern Soul
Population: Roughly 85,000
Capital: Talran: (6,16) The Holy City at the center of the Lake. Many visit it for pilgrimage, but few live there permanently. Pop: 3,000
Northern Port: Paldor: (3,14) Main avenue to Northern Soul, and home to the combined university. Pop: 12,000
Mining Town: Milten: (5,14) Mining town, also the town closest to the capital. Pop: 10,000
Farming and Ranching Town: Worgan: (11,14) Town in the center of the great plains. Pop: 8,000
Southeastern Port Town: Ral: (14,15) Pop: 11,000
Southwestern Port Town: Dengal: (15,13) Pop: 9,000
Logging Town: Folren: (10,11) Town at the edge of the forest. Pop: 7,000
The other roughly 25,000 live scattered about the country in small villages and hamlets.
Army:
>6,000 infantry
>1,500 Holy Archers with armor piercing arrowheads and clockwork crossbows
>60 naval ships, 20 outfitted with cannons
Current State of the Nation of Northern Soul
>>44130298
>>44130323
>>44132773
Then we have a deal. We fear the cannibals and the Stalagian tribes' growing armies.
>>44132775
I wish the GM would tell me about my stats.
>>44132775
So you have walls along your border with Venicia then?
>>44132976
Hes working on maps and rules, give the dude a while. He needs these calm moments for that shit, this thread gets pretty chaotic for one dude to manage when everyones her
>>44132976
That would be helpful
So how does us teaching you steel making for teaching us medicine making sound, then? We would still have to import the components from you to make them, and for them you could offer to exchange for any of our resources
>>44132985
Correct, friend
>>44133034
I am not sure how well walls will fare against flying contraptions. But at least they remain peaceful. Be careful you do not needlessly isolate yourself, friend.
>>44133016
Aight.
>>44133034
Sounds very much based. I will accept.
>>44133070
It was a necessary precautionary measure, as their border is frightfully close to our Holy Lake, you understand
It would not do for an army to be able to march upon it from another nation overnight
>>44132976
So, we will offer to fortify a few points, say 3 spots? In exchange, I would merely ask for a regular supply of medicines.
>>44133094
Ah, of course. I see your worry comrade. Even the mightiest beast can be felled through decapitation, I understand.
>>44133117
That would be acceptable, yes.
>>44133215
Excellent. I am glad. Name the points and it shall be done
>>44133240
which one is the holy forest from this map again?
>>44132499
>>44133326
He never actually said, he just said his were the gods of the forest and I assumed it was the Northern Forrest,
Ill post your stats after I post the new map
>>44133326
The Northern most one. Theres a shrine there, upon which are hung Ivory Tusks, 4ft in length, hunted and carved in my lands, lauding the spirits of the forest and the ingenuity of your peoples.
>>44133359
Aight.
>>44133382
We would like to build forts on these areas.
>>44133466
Very well. At the turn of the seasons, it will be done.
>>44133534
>>44133034
I have another question friends, who others should I reach out for an alliance?
>>44133694
It depends on your goals, realistically. I would suggest, personally, keeping alliances to those near enough to you. And it would be wise to wait and see what groups are willing to offer. If you post what you have and mention you are seeking alliances you will get some responses quite possibly.
>>44133694
Of course, if you check here>>44130323 you will see who I am allied with. They may be good for consideration.
I need to update that to switch Zucaea for Camaro, of course, but Ill wait and see if I make further trades before I update everything.
Okay guys this is the latest map, I worked hard to make the borders crisp and allow you to see the coastline,
I have made the mine types differentiated.
I widened a couple water ways so you can actually see they exsist
I changed the fort Icon so it looked more different then the town icon
Yeay
>>44133792
Fucking sweet dude. Sorry to be at you right away but you left out my fort at 19,2. Other than that, its looking fucking sweet.
>>44133792
Looking really good mate.
Towns and Capitals are overrated.
>>44133792
So the 9 row just disappeared
>>44133865
Nah dude, for those of us that use them they're pretty sweet. Mine is pretty much a massive fortress like.
>>44133875
I think thats been like that since the start...
>>44133888
Psawh go back to fucking walruses and freezing your bits off.
>>44133920
Aren't you constantly trying and failing to subjugate some nomads?
Come to think of it, aren't ye pretty much nomads yerselves what with having no fucking cities?
>>44133792
Hang on, OP, my highways have disappeared.
>>44133902
Oh wow, you're right
What's up with that
>>44133863
Okay, fixed so next time I have to post it, it will be there
>>44133865
If you tell me where they are Ill post them
>>44133875
What?
Also I missed one of your two wall forts, thats fixed
>>44133902
>>44133875
OH! huh I didnt make the base, only added the terrain and forrests and nation borders.
I Never noticed
>>44133792
Nice work mate. Do I get a free capital or do I have to build it?
>>44133968
Yea, becasue isnt it wrong? (also looked a little silly)
I didnt think you were still in the thread
I was gonna tell you to give me the coordinates for your cities and highway and i'll do it
>>44133991
Usually you start with a capital and a tech. I took advanced architecture so I could fortify stuff, by way of an example.
>>44133978
Sound out man. Wait. Did I have a fort at 1,10? I seem to remember there was a reason I built roads out that far but Im not sure...
>>44134021
>>44133792
Then I'd put mine here.
>>44134014
How many cities do I get?
>>44134057
No Lenqus built that road, I just connected you to it, There is nothing there he was just giving you access to that sea,
>>44133991
>>44134021
Yea you get a capitol and two cities, I saw you made a map I've just been making that from scratch again over the last 3 hours so I didnt care to keep working on it
ALSO
Yes, you get one area of technology to start out that you dont need to research.
Actuall examples from this game include
Clockwork mechanisms
Architecture and Fortification
Advanced Iron working for Weapons
Greek Fire like substance
Itll help if you knew your starting recources hold on I'll tell you
>>44134143
two
>>44134161
Fair enough. Ill need to remember to make a fort and a port in that area.
>>44134179
I went and gave myself six cities on my own, should I not have done that
>>44134221
Yeah, you have to forfeit all your southern territory :^)
>>44134221
You should of had 4 not counting your capitols but you were the first to map it out yourself so I gave it you, you do have the second largest population
>>44134221
>>44134253
But really its your population to devide as you see fit so I don't really care
>>44134271
How long until I surpass Baroxy and become da bess
I mean they're starving while I'm rolling in food, right
>>44134271
here's my capital
and here's the forts that Northern Soul promised to build for me
>>44133466
I do hope, I still have the medicine, that my predecessor had.
>>44134311
They have less food than I do and my people were subsistence fishers at first.
And theyve like no towns. I think they just sleep in the open.
>>44134338
also the two blue rings are my cities.
>>44134338
take it as your tech and you're assured it
>>44134366
>>44134161
If it's a tech, I'll take it.
>>44134358
Camaro
Population
45,000
Military
4,500 Infantry
80 Basic Naval Ships
Resources:
Your Mine is of Marble and Limestone
Your trees are Pine trees that grow 150 feet tall
Your open planes contains a type of ox that isnt effected by cold
Your northen plane contains penguins, which you have traded some of the Geenland
Your southern Forrest contains many mushrooms, as well as medicinal plants
You can start with medicine but then you also get the last players comicaly bad statue building, he failed hard three times rolling for that tech.
>>44134311
They have 85,000 population, and possibly like the nomads they live move arround or maybe like the mongols live in yurts they can move
>>44134618
Ayup, sounds good. I'll take medicine.
Can we tame the oxen?
>>44134179
If that's in addition to my capital, then they're at (6,19) and (9,22).
>>44134665
Dude. If you manage it, I will buy a herd of the fuckers off you. Oxen that don't give a fuck about the cold? That shits perfect for me
>>44134618
That's "affected", OP
>>44134665
No I mean ill give you the medicine for free,
when we play you can tame the oxen
Any other tech you would like to have? Compared to the other nations thats not the best lineup because it hasnt been developed
>>44134707
I bet your garrison on great pirate island are pretty fucking warm.
>>44134730
Aint really my garrison, its a joint one. And that doesn't make my heartlands any less cold bro
>>44134711
Aight, we'll take Advanced Iron working for Weapons
>>44134754
>And that doesn't make my heartlands any less cold bro
I'm suggesting the opposite, that they probably feel warm because they've come from a cold place
>>44134709
Actually its not
>Affect is usually a verb, and effect is usually a noun. To affect something is to change or influence it, and an effect is something that happens due to a cause. When you affect something, it produces an effect. Here are a few examples of the words used correctly in these senses But the words have other, less commonly used senses that can make them tricky. Effect does function as a verb when it bears the sense to bring about. For instance, it is the correct word in phrases such as effect change and effect solutions where these phrases mean to bring about change and to bring about solutions. It’s possible to imagine where the phrase affect change might make sense, but it would mean to have an effect on change rather than to bring about change.
If I had said the cold did not affect them, then yes but I was talking about the ox, and if they were less hardy then they would be dead, the cause being brought from the effect of the snow.
tl:dr fuck off
>>44134801
Yeah, the dudes in the garrison get to be warm. Thats 100 people of a population of 37,000. My people at home could do with some cold-invuln oxen so we can survive winters easier.
>>44134793
Okay, if you wish but before you make that choice no you do not have a source of iron, and if you were going to trade for the iron then why not trade for the weapons as several of your neighbors already have better weapons then that
>>44134809
That's still the wrong usage of effect.
You stated that "Your open planes contains a type of ox that isnt effected by cold". If you mean that the type of ox was the outcome of the cold, then you would have said "... a type of ox that has been effected by the cold" or "... a type of ox of a nature effected by the cold".
You stated that the ox "was not effected by the cold". The grammatically correct interpretation of this phrase is that the type of ox was NOT a result of the cold, which is obviously not what you meant.
You meant "a type of ox that isn't affected by the cold" but you fucked up and used the wrong word.
>>44134891
Oh shit. Can I suggest my own tech or do I have to choose one of those you mentioned?
If I can choose my own, I'd go with military tactics.
>>44135022
No because the subject of my sentence was not the cold, it was the oxen. the effect brought about by the affect of the snow is death. The oxen are not dead.
>>44133978
Would you plunk a capital basically just to the right of the eight. I personally imaged most of the people lived in small communities centralized around ether farming or ming that it would be tedious to mark them all on a map. Yurts are also pretty boss.
>>44135133
Exactly, and the correct word to use in that case is "affect". "The oxen are not affected by the cold".
To say that "the oxen are not effected by the cold" states that the oxen are not the consequence of the cause that is the cold.
effect :
- To make or bring about; to implement.
(eg. "The best way to effect change is to work with existing stakeholders.")
- Misspelling of affect.
>>44135337
Effect
1. Effect can be used as a noun when you are talking about a result.
Example: What effect did the loss have on the team?
3. Effect can be used as a verb in one situation - if you want to describe something that was caused.
Example: The new manager effected some positive changes in the office. (This means that the new manager caused some positive changes to take place in the office.)
>>44135402
>>44135337
SUbject is really fucking important and you are wrong.
The oxen are hardy and therefore not subject to death, which is the effect of the cold - A much longer and unnecessary version of what I said
>>44135447
How ''not subject'' are they? Like will they continue to produce good quantities of milk all year? Sounds like the key to ensuring that my people have a guaranteed supply of foodstuffs all year round...
>>44135402
In your sentence about the oxen, you aren't using effect (noun). You're using effect (verb).
You've used effect (v.) and you've said that the oxen are "not effected". The grammatically correct way to interpret this is that the oxen are NOT the cause of the cold. That the cold did not produce the nature of this type of oxen.
I'm guessing you never liked to read much?
>>44135498
Yes, they are basically musk ox
>>44135447
You mean that the oxen are not affected by the cold. That the cold does not affect them, that they are immune to or protected from the cold.
Are you guys seriously wasting 20 posts on this shit? OP's made mistakes before and no one cared enough to waste their time like this.
>>44135549
Can ya make wool from them, perchance?
>>44135565
Shitposters and trolls rarely employ such logic as one as wise as yourself, Teldor.
>>44135507
They literally can both be used as nouns or verbs depending on the structure and context of the sentence. Google it, thats why every description says
>is USUALLY used as a verb
and
>is USUALLY used as a noun and I'm done arrguing this becasue
> The grammatically correct way to interpret this is that the oxen are NOT (subject to) the cause of the cold
Then yes you're right.
>>44135549
>>44135601
Um, yes you could sheer them, however come winter they would probably not fare so well, maybe if you only did it in the spring?
>>44135685
Thats the idea alright, yeah. I'd probably build some barns and stuff for them first anyway.
My people could use some warm clothes.
>>44135719
I already have winter clothing, my friend. I was actually surprised that you never showed any interest
>>44135623
In your description of the oxen, you tell everybody that the oxen are not the effect of the cold. THat the cold has not produced the oxen. That is what you are saying.
What you mean to say, but do not say, is that the oxen are not affected by the cold - that the cold does not influence the ox because of its woolly hair or whatever. That's what you wanted to say, but you were impeded by incorrect grammar.
"To make or bring about; to implement." is the only meaning of effect (verb).
>>44135601
>>44135685
>>44135719
picture of an ox who had herdsmen that decided they should make ox sweaters for winter
>>44135743
I admit, I am intrigued by the idea. I could do with such, if you were willing to trade it with me. What would you like in return?
>>44135772
Eesh. Yeah, nevermind. I'll keep em just for food I guess.
>>44135763
http://grammarist.com/usage/affect-effect/
http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/style-and-usage/affect-effect-grammar.html
Here are two links that go into detail saying thay
>"To make or bring about; to implement." is the only meaning of effect (verb).
is wrong, and also
>In your description of the oxen, you tell everybody that the oxen are not the effect of the cold. THat the cold has not produced the oxen. That is what you are saying.
That is not what I am saying and only the shittiest kind of person would argue that that is what I am trying to tell people. No amount of this will change that.
Instead of continuing to shitpost go start a thread in /lit/ or something about it. I wont join you there but it would be a better place for you
>>44135772
Hey Odd you said you were gonna gimme my stas and research stats today if you have the time between arguing with that dude about grammar.
>>44135829
I mean you could also moce your heard to the north shore of your new southern territory, they would still be okay there, as thats where your walrus go in winter. Then you could mix smelly ox hair into the clothing from Lenqus and have the ultimate waterproof winter clothing.
>>44135829
Would you be willing to accept an exchange of silver for such clothing?
Given you could not grow the cotton in your cold lands, I could tell you how to fashion them, but we might as well skip the middleman, as it were.
>>44135925
This sounds like a good plan to me. Much better than my plan of instituting mandatory ''sewing in''
>>44135940
Well, I do not have a permanent supply of silver but if you desire what silver I have, I would happily trade you it for the cotton and the knowledge of how they were made.
>>44135911
What did you need? Your nation stats like population?
>>44135857
Those sites don't back you up.
Right in your second sited link it states that "Effect can be used as a verb in one situation - if you want to describe something that was caused."
"isn't effected" is what you've said. That the oxen are not something that were caused by the cold. That's what you've stated.
>>44136003
Ah, of course. I forgot. Well if you intend to clothe all of your people, that amount of silver may not suffice for the amount of cotton it would take. However I would be willing to offer enough to properly clothe your army. Any more will require further trading.
>>44136115
Sure, you can have basic military tactics as a technology
>>44136087
And like everything I've ever researched or is that all my responsibility.
Just saying that I'm still around, if anyone has proposed trade deals or other such things.
>>44136149
Well, you know what I have. What would it take to convince you to provide enough clothing and the knowledge of how to make them? Once I am able, I would gladly share with you whatever improvements I make to them at a favourable price.
>>44136202
You should try keep track of it yourself from here on out. Just throw it in posts where you list your resources or something. It is an asset after all
>>44136151
Nice.
>>44136270
Hmm. Your access to mead implies to me that you have knowledge of fermentation. There are a few products that I could make use of this knowledge with. If you provide me with this knowledge, the silver, and offer to give me a deal on any future improvements to the clothing, I will give you as much cotton as you need, and teach you how to make clothing out of it.
>>44136364
Comrade, would you be willing to trade a sustainable herd of your Oxen with us? With them to ensure our food supplies and even better our winter survivability, I would be able to offer much better trading opportunities.
>>44136405
Hmm. Very well. I will send some of my master brewers to the University at the turn of the season, along with a supply of silver. I will also promise favourable rates for future exchange of improvements to the clothing. In exchange, you supply the necessary knowledge and cotton. Are we agreed?
>>44136202
Oh fuck, everyone else was keeping track themselves so I stopped but I'll tell you what I remember
Original Population 85,000
Original Military 8,500
Current Pop -like 80,000~
Current military 7000 Infantry
No ships
Resources
Iron
Gems
Potatoes
Oil
Desert goat
Camels
Technology
Advacced Iron working
Advanced irrigation
Wells
Aquaducts
>>44133792
I think i have 2 towns (14:5) and (17:2)
This is correct or another mistake of mine
>>44136556
Who are you? You've left yer trip off
>>44136494
That would be most agreeable.
>>44136545
So I do have the largest population now.
Take that, Sandbitches! Can't match muh FREEDOMS
>>44136556
No I dont know who you are but considering one of those is in Lenqus and the other in Nourthen soul...no
>>44136545
That's cool I'll add what I remember too then
>>44136626
Excellent. A pleasure doing business with you. Now, if Camaro would respond to my queries regarding the Oxen, I could post my updated stats
>>44136556
There is already a town AT 14:5
>>44136626
No I said your new population was around 65,000 didnt I? You only have roughly 70 squares
>>44133792
I think I have 2 towns (14:5) and (17:2)
This is correct or another mistake of mine
My next steps in this game would be develop entertainment (acting, music, fireworks, eroticism)
>>44136717
I asked and that's what you told me
>>44116122
>>44116205
>>44136738
Those are both in other nations dude. Namely me and Lenqus. You can try and claim our lands if you like but it wont end well for you
>>44136738
Well this is just a general thread,
Ah okay They were never marked and I think Youre confused about how to read an X:Y coordinate, you mean (5:14) and (2:17)
I'll put them on the map
>>44136818
Sorry (5:14) and (2:17)
>>44136788
OH I never changed what I had written down lol
I guess you do have the largest population at 85,000, not counting your loses which I never wrote down.
>>44136824
Baroxy Commonwealth
Current Pop: 80,000
Current military:
6000 Infantry (Veterans)
1000 Claws of Zaz (Veteran raiders)
No ships
Resources
Iron
Gems
Potatoes
Oil
Desert goat
Camels
Technology:
Advanced Iron working
Advanced Irrigation
Wells
Aqueducts
Military Tactics
Military Triage
Barbed Weaponry
Buildings:
-Capital of Zazanor
Military Academy
Shrine to Great Gods
Alright I think this is my current stock what do you think Odd.
>>44136824
Lurker here. Are there any spaces that a new player can occupy? May leader of nomads perhaps?
Camaro, you still here bud? Im looking to trade once you got them Oxen domesticated!
>>44136886
I will flay you alive then leave in the baking sun to die a slow agonizing death.
I mean sure we'd love to have more people.
>>44136886
Those are open yes
If you'd like an actual nation, there's always the chance that a couple of people won't show up on Monday and miss out, so you could take their place
>>44136876
Yup I remember everything you have there!
>>44136494
>>44136908
Yeah, I'll accept when I get to taming them. Might take some time though.
I need to go for the night. It's already 2am in Finland. Good night.
>>44136824
You say we may plan our next season with allies, I dont have offical allies so please dont attack me and I will bless the land with art and music
>>44137042
Excellent, thank you comrade. We will hammer out the specifics another day but, for now, I will include them in my ''to be received''
>>44137047
I cannot guarantee no one will strike at you. I can, however, offer you iron enough to arm yourself in exchange for another shipment of Yumatsu Fire, if you are amenable.
>>44137047
>>44137131
I think some of my fine swords would better service him.
>>44137047
>>44137205
But what good is a sword in unarmoured hands?
>>44137224
Pretty good, if one's not holding it by the hilt.
Or I could melt a few swords down and make them into axes, and thus save metal that way.
>>44136983
>>44136932
Cool. I'll claim those guys on Monday then.
>>44137131
Im not entirely sure if I should give guns to other kingdoms because you may attack me later but... yes, I think we may find a good deal
>>44137205
>>44137224
>swords
>not using arrows to kill from afar and polearms to still keep distance if anyone tries to get close
I seriously hope you rulers don't do this
>>44137290
Too much walrus fucking it roots the brain.
>>44137290
I actually use spears, shields, armour and crossbows. But I usually give other people swords for just that reason.
>>44137285
Doesn't one usually hold a sword by the hilt? That is the part below the handguard after all...
>>44137288
I will gladly provide you with some Maille shirts, if you so desire, in exchange for a shipment of Yumatsu fire. I thought Yumatsu fire was a highly flammable liquid, not a gun?
>>44137224
The last thread was closed before I can trade with you
You have metalcrafters, I will trade the Yumatsu fire for herbal or chemestry tools
>>44137338
Dude, why would I offer them the good shit right off the bat? I know you're busy trying and failing to subjugate some camel-fucking nomads but try to think
>>44137360
Yes is a liquid I meant weapon
>>44137379
Im afraid you may be forgetting, good sire, but we did round out that trade agreement. I sent you the requested Tusker meat and received the Yumatsu fire in good faith. It has already been put to good use in my navy.
Look here >>44130298 and you can see what I can offer. I am willing to give you enough Maille shirts to gird your armies, crafted of stout iron.
>>44137384
I least I got muh black gold
>>44137543
True enough I suppose, kudos on that. You interested in trading some? Heres what I can offer as of now>>44130298
>>44137513
Oh, wrong kingdom... the trade with you was done, but other kingdom ask me for the same and the thread closed before my offer
>>44137587
I believe that was Albatross actually. Id suggest accepting the trade but ask them for something of good value to you.
My offer for maille is still on the table.
>>44137543
You know Baroxy, I find it odd that you have not reached out to me and my wealth of food, given your predicament. Are you sure you're alright?
Is...Is it too late to post?
Everyone's getting allies and I feel like I haven't reached out enough.
I'm looking to trade for various things, medicine, horses and I'm interested as the main coal provider in this rail of yours teldor...
If anyone is interested I have to trade:
> Cannons
> gun powder
> iron
> coal
> wood
> exotic animal pelts (big cats)
> fruits and fruit alchols
> copper and tin
> Bronze
> the desert things of Geomund
Things I've received:
> 350 lbs of gold
> 2 ornate carved horns
> messenger pigeons (one gender)
> ship building knowledge
My forces include:
> cannons
> 9000 soldiers
> 165 average cannon armed ships
> knowledge of building dreadnoughts (I think)
> military academy
> pikes
I'm forgetting a few trades here I think so if anyone can help me out by reminding me it would be appreciated!
>>44137717
I offered you that knowledge, if you would trade me something of equal value as I recall it. You have no yet made me such an offer.
Of course, if I am wrong then so be it.
>>44137717
I'll be your ally, friend across the sea!
>>44137717
>I'm interested as the main coal provider in this rail of yours teldor
Well, I receive enough coal from my ally Northern Soul to make the steel for the rails. I can't imagine what I would possibly need more coal for once the rails are in place, and horses are pulling carts across my nation over them
>>44137758
I believe I gave you some more cannon?
I'll show a sign of good will, as you have to me, by sending your dynasty a gift. Some of these spotted wild cats fur, turned into thick cloaks
>>44137013
How much is my production of Yumatsu Fire? The last thread you where out, I roll 4000 jars of Yumutsu Fire, and trade 200 jars to Northern Soul.
>>44137621
I offer you a weekly or daily supply of Yumatsu fire in exchange of the same amount of mead. Before the deal I need OPs answer how much supply I have
>>44137780
I'll happily ally with you. Us friends across the three way sea must stick together. This shall be an alliance to defend each other from external threats.
I'm not sure of your own material wealth but I'm interested in trade.
>>44137792
I wasn't aware he produced coal in any great capacity... Only two players have coal mines and mine is the only developed one. I'm interested Ietting my scholars loose on it
>>44137792
I have a thought on that, actual, if I may? I do not know if you are allied with them but Greenland may hold the key to improving your rail situation.
>>44137806
Is that so? Ah yes, the cannons for my eastern fortress, yes. I will graciously accept your gift. Might I interest you in further trade?
>>44137851
I would be glad to accept as such.
>>44137895
I discovered a coal mine, actually. It has been very good to me.
>>44137896
What would you like friend?
Ah yeah, as >>44137916 said, I checked the map again after posting. So you have. My mistake!
>>44137895
>my material wealth
It's this, also >excellent ships should read >amazing ships:
>>44130699
Odds and ends and a couple of things ahead of the game. Not really sure whether I need anything from you, but hey well. You wanted an ally and I didn't have any.
>>44137948
Well, that depends on what you have to offer. I would be particular interested in Gunpowder, to be quite honest. Such a tool could be of great use in my mines.
>>44137896
Now that you mention Greenland, they have developed some kind of self propelled cart, have they not? Are you proposing that they fashion them for my rails?
>>44137991
Actually, what the hell am I saying? We can mutually benefit through trade, H&W
>>44138042
I believe they could do so, yes, with some adjustments. You might need to make some moves and trades though. And, of course, I will offer whatever aid I can in this project
>>44138044
I'll give you cannons and arms in return for horses and any technology you wish to give me. Bronze can be used in forging great pieces of art. I'll be willing to give you knowledge of cannon forging for the right price as we are allies.
It seems we have similar climates I also have fruits of various kinds. I have roads between my Towns already.
>>44137999
I'm happy to keep up the trade of the stuff. I'd like to keep my monopoly for as long as possible. I have the recipe more closely guarded than Greek fire.
Hey Guys! What's up
>>44137999
>>44138042
>Somebody mention railroads
I'm glad to see you all are cooperating on something cool.
I would love to get my hands on some Greenland Clockwork/Steam power myself, to power my Airboats.
I guess I'm just going to need to keep teching/trading up. Hopefully my plan to get rich from internationl air shipping pays off so I can pay you with money for more tech.
>>44138209
Well, what would you like in exchange? What else are you willing to trade? I would also welcome cannons as well, of course.
>>44138215
Aye, its a good plan it seems. I have been thinking, would you perhaps be interested in the knowledge of how cartography?
>>44138044
Last thread was closed before I can trade with you
You have metalcrafters and if you want, I will trade Yumatsu fire for herbal or chemestry tools
>>44138301
>>44138215
I'm also in a position to teach him in cartography, if it comes to undercutting. We do have the only compasses in the known world, after all.
I dream of a world united by Air Trade, with Venicia at the heart and soul as its couriers, shippers, and merchantiers.
Rarest spices from the farthest corners that once took months to deliver to the plates of of only Kings, now take days.
Trade which took costly time and ships now have a new route that even the winter freezes of waters or mountains won't stop.
>>44138301
I believe I am already trading thus for my gemstones in return, am I not?
>>44138370
Of course, I am in great need of compasses and navigational tools too.
---
Venicia Stats
---
Population:
19,000
Military
2,000 infantry
Resources:
Mountain Gem Mines
Wild Horses
Bay- Fish, Narwhal
North Eastern Shore - Fish, King Crab (Gone for the Winter)
Whale: [Oil] (2x) [Blubber] (3x) [Meat] (3x) Leather (1x)
Trade Resources:
>Greenland
Fruit
Medicine
Traded Technology:
Cartography
Ballistae
Technology:
Narwhal Hunting! - Brings: oil, blubber, meat and horn. Known: Narwhal Migration
Hot Air Balloons! [Design Level: Good]
Sky Sails [Prototype]
Whale Leather
Buildings:
Basic Fishery
Pasturelands
Root Cellar - Ice House
Sky Dock
Post Office
Units:
10 Flying Contraptions
Politics:
We are Allies with Northern Soul, our Western neighbor and friend
We are in trade agreements with Greenland, our Southern neighbor and friend
>>44138412
>Northern Soul, our Western neighbor and friend
You mean Northern, Western would be us
>>44138381
Was it not Ballistae in return for Gemstones?
>>44138443
I'll fix that.
>>44138447
Hmm, it might have been. I believe the cartography was something mentioned to be gifted when you proposed an alliance.
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/44108819
Still, I am more than happy to expand my gemstones and provide you with more if requested, albeit I am looking to keep at least some for the purpose of developing a stable currency.
>>44138498
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/44108819/#44116970
>>44138498
Actually, as it were, I would be more interested in some other stuff. Perhaps if you could teach my people to make root cellars, I could offer my full knowledge of tracking and survivalism, while I would trade gold or iron for flying devices in future, if you are amenable.
As to the cartography, you are correct. We have nothing more to teach you in that regard.
>>44138498
I'm seriously interested in these flying contraptions. Make an offer and I'll buy some.
I'd like good relations with you too,trades people.
>>44138567
Consider it done.
Such gifts will no doubt improve both of our people's ability to survive the harsh winter months and profit from the summer respites.
>Information on Root Cellars is hereby traded to Northern Soul for Tracking and Survivalism
Perhaps one day I might have something that could interest you in your knowledge of mining and steel smithing.
As for the flight devices, there are some things which even i must ask to hold a monopoly on, for a time. However, once I am secure in my economic position as a flight trader nation, I will likely be more amenable to selling them.
>>44138644
As said to above, I I'll likely be open to selling my airship blueprints once I've established myself as a major economic power via them.
I am however, interested in Cannons and Gunpowder for sure.
---
Venicia Stats
---
Population:
19,000
Military
2,000 infantry
Resources:
Mountain Gem Mines
Wild Horses
Bay- Fish, Narwhal
North Eastern Shore - Fish, King Crab (Gone for the Winter)
Whale: [Oil] (2x) [Blubber] (3x) [Meat] (3x) Leather (1x)
Trade Resources:
>Greenland
Fruit
Medicine
Traded Technology:
Cartography
Ballistae
Survivalism
Tracking
Technology:
Narwhal Hunting! - Brings: oil, blubber, meat and horn. Known: Narwhal Migration
Hot Air Balloons! [Design Level: Good]
Sky Sails [Prototype]
Whale Leather
Buildings:
Basic Fishery
Pasturelands
Root Cellar - Ice House
Sky Dock
Post Office
Units:
10 Flying Contraptions
Politics:
We are Allies with Northern Soul, our Northern neighbor and friend
We are in trade agreements with Greenland, our Southern neighbor and friend
We have diplomatic Contact with Hill and Wood
>>44138707
Of course, comrade, of course. In fact, if any of my knowledge or expertise can be of use to you in improving your current stocks, I will gladly offer aid in expectation of access to the eventual results.
>>44138209
>>44138644
Are you still interested in trading with me, good sir? I am sure you will find it to both of our benefit.
>>44138707
I'll be more than happy to help you become an economic power house. I benefit from selling and buying! Let me know when and I can trade these weapons for the balloons.
>>44138802
I'm thinking about what I would like. I believe our tech levels are similar. I would like your superior architecture and possibly ballistae but as I have cannons the latter might be less valuable. We still have a 1 for 1 powder/mead trade I believe.
What would you want from me?
I have a special "Coal Iron" which I'm not quite sure about...I think it's steel? I didn't mention earlier too.
>>44138919
I have steel as well, as it happens. And I had forgotten of our trade in powder and mead, thank you for reminding me.
That being the case, what have you to trade? Could you perhaps post a list of such?
My own is here>>44130298
>>44138760
I know for a fact that Mining and Steelworking will be very important to the expansion of my Gem Mines, as I plan to use gems as a basis of stable Currency in the near future.
Not to mention this other fact. There are likely many nobles and wealthy out in the world who would be interested in your ivory. If I could find the means to sell it to them, then I could return to you with the profits (with a cut to cover shipping fee's of course).
I'm also planning on researching refining and artistry techniques, such as goldsmithing, gem cutting, and if agreeable, Ivory cutting. By taking in raw Ivory, then refining it into artistic products to increase their value, both of us gain increased profits!
>>44138919
And buying and selling is what I plan to be about!
>>44139052
I like the idea. I have actually got a plan in the works to expand my ivory operation. Its a resource I must carefully watch over, of course, as it depends on wild game, but I do have a plan in the works.
If you can build a port, or build me a skydock, I could move carved ivory to you for distrbution to domestic markets worldwide and we could split the profits.
>>44139156
Very good. I'll see about building a skyport in your lands as soon as possible.
>>44138968
I posted a rather lazy one earlier...
Things I have for trade:
> cannons
> gun powder
> fruits & various fruit alchols
> jungle cats and their pelts/claws etc. Tigers, leopards
> iron
> tin
> copper
> Bronze
> coal
> 'coal iron'/ carbon iron
> fish
> desert dwelling domesticated creatures
> goats (I think I need go check what geomund had)
> wood
> eels
I have knowledge of:
> roads
> smelting and casting of metals
> basic foundary
> universities
> military academy (set it up right at the end I think when i reshuffled my army)
> Good ship building
Sorry it took a while, I read through the old threads. Hopefully you are still aroundI missed some of your messages last thread by going to sleep, sorry man you have been really open to trade. I'm a Bong, lad.
>>44139379
Hmmm. What can you tell me about these goats? They intrigue me.
What does your military academy teach? And what of this ''foundary''? I feel these might be of benefit to my people.
>>44139463
interestingly enough after taking over Geomund I believe I gained their resources/tech.
The foundary is originally mine for the smelting of metals and forging of cannons en masse. It has seen been bolstered by Geomunds knowledge.
The academy doesn't do too much yet but it's where my officers will be trained, especially those in command of cannons. It's part of my formation of a standing army. Allowing a larger force overall.
The goats, I think, are the desert nomads main food supply. They provide milk. I can get some for trade. The same region has baboons and pterodactyl's supposedly. As well as some bird like desert mounts.
Not sure if OP accepted all this but he wrote it.
>>44139692
Note that you didn't get all of his land, only a portion
>>44139692
Hmmm. Well, if you would be willing to trade to me a sustainable herd of goats, I would be pleased. I would also be quite interested in your foundry, if you would be willing to offer it. Perhaps you could send some people to build one in my lands?
You know what I can offer in return. What would you have of me? Perhaps we can strike a deal.
>>44139725
I know, but I got the tin and copper. Presumably then the people who could craft it plus any other such knowledge.
>>44139784
Further reading suggests the nomads ride these goat things while the regular goats are in the commonwealth... I suppose we can assume pic related also has milk? I'd like your medical knowledge, to help my people survive. We can hold the deal until OP conformation
>>44139919
Looking at the map, you do not seem to have claimed any of the nomads lands. I am doubtful that you have found any of these beasts as you think.
Regardless, what would you have of me in return for a Foundry?
>>44140072
You know I can make those too, right
>>44140088
You can? Well then, that changes matters. How about it, my old ally, would you trade them to me?
>>44140088
You are right about that. Although, not sure what I got in return especially as you sized the island for yourself.
>>44140072
Geomund had domesticated them and been taught to ride them by the nomads. When he left his land to me I assume I got them too...if you no longer wish to deal with me so be it.
>>44140129
To be honest friend, we share so much already that there is precious little left for you to offer me.
But I will build you one just to further tighten the bond between our nations.
All I need is your continued support.
>>44140178
No, I learned how on my own through research
>>44140189
That shall be greatly appreciated. I will have some tusks sent to you, praising your generosity.
>>44140178
Well then, good sir, it seems I shall not need any foundry from you. However, if you wish yet to trade, I am amenable.
>>44140204
It was a shared research deal. I however rolled solely for it then you took it because I wasn't actively posting. I made a poor trade it seems... I have just been reading through the earlier threads.
