How does your GM encourage the use of appropriate weapons? Does your group like it? Why don't you use and estoc or mace?
>appropriate weapons
wat?
>using slav weapons in a white people game
>>44127873
using the right weapon for the enemy type it was meant for
>>44127888
sadly not many systems promote this
>>44127853
>4/4 people in our Group are in the army
>3/4 browse /k/
>2/4 practice HEMA
We probably lose 1 hour per session debating weapons and equipment in settings like WH40k and how (badly) they are represented by the rules.
If the group isn't interested/knowledgeable in that sort of stuff there isn't much the GM can do.
>>44127853
Yes, and we love it.
90% of rpgs have really shit armour and weapon selection because they try to fit stuff from like, 600 years of history next to each other, so you get people fighting with weapons that got popular in response to one type of armour, while wearing armour that was appropriate 300 years earlier than the weapon. It's not really about being autistic for realism, it's about making some kind of goddamn sense.
>>44127853
>How does your GM encourage the use of appropriate weapons?
they give the best attack modifiers
>Why don't you use and estoc or mace?
Because I'm doing neither Dex build nor SL1 run.
>>44127888
Please tell me what kind of weapon was meant for being used against pic related.
>>44127888
What's the appropriate weapon against a dragon?
>>44128209
>>44128167
fire lots of fire
>>44128209
bows and prayer
>>44128209
>>44128149
but you have to min max man
>>44128209
A pole-hammer or spear, billhooks and halberds are fine too.
>>44128209
Lances and Pikes. Piercing weapons in general.
>>44128167
My first guess would be slashing and corrode. But well, I'd have to try it out myself.
>>44127853
DnD has a shitty design such that it encourages you to use different weapons for different monsters while forcing you to pigeonhole yourself into using one weapontype
>>44128452
how so? i just got started so all the DnD is shit jokes go over my head.
>>44128621
To be accurate and do interesting or useful things you must feat heavily into ONE weapon. But with 3 damage types you have a 66% chance that if that target has damage reduction it's probably against your type.
>>44128669
damn, i am glad we have mostly fought bandits so far. Why did this seem good to them
>>44128669
this. the three weapon types (slash, pierce, and blunt) are of various effectiveness against monsters, same for elements. However if you're going to be swinging anything around you'll want weapon specialization to ensure you can efficiently hit and kill stuff. Weapon specialization is so autistically categorized that you could be great at chopping down motherfuckers with an axe but be completely helpless if you needed to pick up a spear
>>44127853
because Escots are faggot kind of gay.
Meanwhile, Montante is Freddy Mercury kind of gay
>>44127879
>estoc
>slav
Nigga, you just went full retard.
>>44128273
Who's enforcing it?
>>44128761
don't worry about it all my dick sucking made me make a stupid joke that was not really funny.
>>44128743
Well Hungarians and Poles were the only ones to use them in numbers...
>>44128209
Tests in Dwarf Fortress show that spears and pikes are pretty objectively the best weapons to use against dragons.
>>44130661
>spears and pikes
>not 30+ 14yo's with crossbows, *bronze bolts*, leather shields
>>44128714
>not houseruling weapon specialisation to work with any weapon you have been trained in by a master
>not having your players go on a quest to free the last grandmaster of the Dire Flail before he is executed
George_Constanza.JPEG
>>44127879
go back to pol faggot
>>44131117
>Arrive to find the Grandmaster of the Dire Flail killed himself in the escape attempt when he got a hold of his weapon and tried to use it.
>>44128052
that's pretty stupid.
beyond autoguns what the fuck do they know.
>>44131137
The D-Flail is retarted, no doubt, but the Heavy Flail depicted is actually worse, its oversized chain pretty much garanteeing you destroy your own hand & face
>>44128209
Another dragon.
>>44131137
All of 3.x's double weapons are retarded. There is a reason they don't exist in the real world.
>>44131189
What if we made a Catapult that launched Dragons?
In all honesty though, PCs shouldn't be able to fight things the size of Castles unless there's some absurdly strong magic involved, or they went through the process of weakening it through plot shenanigans.
>>44130221
You know estoc is the french name for the weapon, right? And that everybody had their own name for it? Are you thinking of a koncerz?
>>44131184
Some flails do have chains that long, actually. The spikes are exaggerated, but the chain length isn't that far from reality.
The falchion on the other hand. Jesus Christ, I'm going to have nightmares for weeks.
>>44128209
Bombs. Or a siege ballista.
I do like the idea that you need to use siege or anti structure weapons to fight off a dragon
>>44127879
>>44130221
Look at this fucking idiot.
I do have a character who uses an estoc. Estoc and grappling to throw.
>>44128452
I've only played 5e where this is not the case at all. Instead you spec into a fighting style (one handed, two-handed, ranged, etc.) and can use any weapon within that category. So your sword and board fighter can use a longsword and a flail with equal aptitude and pick whichever is more appropriate for the situation.
I know 3.5e is as you described, but what about earlier editions? Does 2e pigeonhole you into specializing into a single weapon as well?
>>44128209
>>44128333
>>44128357
I always liked the Basic cover art for this.
>>44132244
To a degree, in 2e fighters are only allowed to specialize in a single melee weapon and a single ranged weapon. They were competent in every weapon they were proficient in, but only really good in their specialties. The fact that specializing granted extra attacks added another layer to the disparity between specialized and unspecialized fighters.
>>44128209
>appropriate weapon against a dragon?
>>44128218
Muh nigga
>>44132502
Now I want to rewatch Reign of Fire.
>>44132502
FIRE CANNOT KILL A DRAGON
how would one really use an estoc?
>>44132825
fencing
>>44132930
against an armored orc
>>44132777
good thing fire is only like 1% of the destructive potential of modern day explosives
shrapnel and sheer kinetic shock still work wonders
>>44131368
>You know estoc is the french name for the weapon, right?
Well yeah, but there, the term's used to describe one-handed swords with reinforced points, most of which still have useful edges. The bar-type was maily popular in eastern Europe.
>>44131117
the "heavy flail" triggers my autism
>chain long enough to hit your own fingers
and what is this rapier? were they even trying?!
>>44131428
the chain on some only looks too long because the wooden grip-pieces decayed away on old weapons
>>44127853
If you're playing a game that goes into that much detail, then the pressures are already there. If not, there's really no point.
I play Song of Swords. I don't use estocs or maces because I'm not a kek. I use a pollax.
>>44132777
>thinks explosions are pure fire
>>44136274
Of course they weren't trying. For references, see the warhammer that looks like a cinderblock on a 3 foot stick. Only hammer I've seen like that was in a Marvel comic.
>>44127853
I actually use an estoc in Pathfinder with my Unchained Rogue. Fun stuff, and thematically appropriate as I'm using it poke fuckers in their vitals through their armor.
>>44131149
>every type of SP and Bolter weapons
>explosives
>tanks
>artillery and heavy weapons systems
>the physics behind Las and Plasma weapons
>>44131189
this right here senpai
>>44128209
Iron shield and a willingness to die for your people.
BEOWULF DID NOTHING WRONG
