Is there a system based on Final Fantasy?
Several actually. Most of them are terrible.
>>44120636
quite a few actually.
Returners, FFd6, D&D5 surprisingly
>>44120676
>D&D5 surprisingly
>Arcane Knight is the worst Fighter Archetype
>>44120636
Bumping this thread for when I get home.
>>44120636
This chart is complete garbage
>X in god tier when it was clearly mid-high
>VIII in high when it was mid at best
>X-2 in mid when it should be low
>XII in low when it should be in god tier
>No FFTA, or A2, no Vagrant Story
Fuck all this.
>>44120636
Several. Also your chart is close, but not close enough.
>X-2 not in Low Tier
>VIII not in God Tier
>X should be in high tier, not god tier
>V should also be in high tier
>>44120829
Vagrant story may be set in Ivalice, but it's not an FF game.
>>44120829
>VII in god tier
It's high tier, not god tier. A good game, certainly, but over hyped.
>>44121408
I dunno, a case can be made for it. Especially the Midgar section at the beginning.
>>44120636
Yes
>>44120636
I can't trust the words of anyone who thinks FF8 is better than FF9.
Like, I don't deny the godly impact FF7 had to the point where despite it's flaws it's an okay game, but FF8 had some of the worst characters, mechanics, minigames, and story. The only redeeming factor it has that it was a catalyst for its cardgame, which eventually became standalone anyway.
I'm happy that nobody so far has an issue with Tactics being god tier.
That game was the best.
>>44121588
Look, dude.
I respect your opinions, and agree that 9 is a great game. But I'd say 8 was good at being what it set out to be. I won't say the mechanics didn't have flaws, because they had huge flaws, but the characters and story were nice.
>>44121588
FF9 isn't that good. It's got major mechanical problems and half of its cast is pointless. Admittedly the same is true of FF8.
>>44121656
I'd argue that the characters were just as bad as the ones in 7 (yes, bad), the soundtrack was really good (though not popular) and the story for disc 1 was fantastic.
>>44121662
>Quina
>Pointless
Anon, you need to get your head checked.
>>44121683
I'd have to disagree about the characters. The main cast are all child soldiers with different coping mechanisms, possibly minus Rinoa, and I find it interesting to see how they deal with it all.
Also, it has Laguna.
>>44121662
I got to the end of disc 1 of FF9, realized I didn't care about a single one of the characters or what they were doing, and walked away. 100+ hours on the rest of 4-12 and Tac, but never went back to 9.
>>44121761
Really? Not even Vivi's quest for self-identity?
>>44120636
>No Dirge of Cerberus
You disappoint me, /tg/.
>>44121866
Do you see the rest of the Compilation here? I don't fucking think so. It's neither here nor there.I actually really fucking love DoC though.
>>44121866
>the spirits within is a good movie
;^)
>>44121893
It was better than Advent Children at least.
Not that that's saying much.
>>44121722
Fuck yeah, Laguna was the best.
I wanna see a prequel that runs us from him joining the Galbadian army up to him banishing Adel and becoming president of Esther.
>>44120636
I feel that 13 should be below 3
>>44121889
Same. I don't care if he is edgy as hell, I fucking love Vincent as a character.
>>44120636
All the games I like should be several spots higher.
All the games I actually played should be one higher.
All the games you like should be lower.
All the games that are popular should be lower.
13 should have it's own tier below 'low.'
>>44122030
13 is the ultimate railroad adventure
>people not liking FF9
I'm disappointed, /tg/. I expected better
>>44120636
>7 is god tier and not "good but severely overrated" tier
>8 is only high tier
>9 is only mid tier
>12 is low tier
>X-2 is even on the list
>using tiers at all
You're a fucking meme. Get some taste.
Also, fuck everyone in this thread talking shit on 8 or 9 or arguing that 7 isn't anything but an above-average game that is beloved primarily because of nostalgia fallacy.
>>44120636
>Is there a system based on Final Fantasy?
The original Final Fantasy was heavily based on AD&D, and outright riffed large portions of it.
>>44122480
The difference is that 7 wasn't shit when it came out like 8 was. So go fuck yourself, cunt.
>>44120636
4E D&D is based somewhat on FFT.
Got all the juicy combat options.
>>44122441
I fucking /loved/ FFIX, one of my favorites. Honestly it's probably a tie between that and X.
>>44120636
>FF5
>mid tier
>ffX
>god tier
dude wut
>>44120636
>12
>low
Fuck this chart
>>44123006
This
>>44120636
>Switch VIII and X-2
>Move IX and XII up one row each
>Throw Tactics in the fucking garbage, where it belongs
As for your actual topic, FFd6 is probably your best bet
>>44124391
>bait
here's a (you)
>>44120636
Fixed Tiers
>God Tier
FF IX, FF III, FF VI, FF Tactics
>High Tier
FF VIII, FF XII
>Mid Tier
VII, FF X, FF V, FF I
>Low Tier
FF II, FF X-2
>It's Literally Garbage Tier
FF XIIIKeep in mind this is objective truth and disagreeing is as incorrect as disagreeing that the sun rose yesterday morning.
>>44120636
>FFX
>God
What the fuck is this I don't even
>>44120829
>>XII in low when it should be in god tier
Now that's what you call shit taste.
>>44123006
biggest issue with the chart desu
>>44124521
Truth is never objective, as everything is based on human perception and interpretation.
We merely form majority agreements and treat them as universal truths. While this works most of the time, when matters of exclusively opinion are brought up, we can't reach a consensus, and therefore there is no universally true quality ranking for the series.
Here's one.
>>44124547
You're right, 11, 12, and 14 need their own tier below low, but above 13.
>>44124541
I'm sorry anon, but you have terminal plebeianism.
>>44124598
11 and 14 don't fucking count and you know it.
12 wasn't that bad, it just had issues with not focusing on the main character.
>>44124580
>Can run Final Fantasy
>Can run Shining Force
We have a winner.
>>44120636
>FFIII low tier
>FFV mid tier
For an NES RPG FFIII is great, and FFV has the best class system instead of linear "your character is like this." I'm surprisingly alright with FFII being low though. That game, especially the NES version is more broken than the first one. It's like a Bethesda game before Bethesda games having terrible bugs were a thing
>>44124623
They're about as valid as 12.That is to say, not at all.
>>44124651
Show us on the doll where 12 touched you, Anon.
>>44124598
>>44124541
>Well rounded and relatable characters (outside of Vaan, who is purely a vehicle for the player)
>Story filled with genuinely good intrigue alongside a fresh take on the standard FF plot
>Setting full of interesting lore and worldbuilding
XII was one of the best games of the series and deserves a place alongside IX and Tactics, nevermind that the Ivalice setting itself became so well liked that an entire team was devoted to making games specifically for it.
>>44124674
The Ivalice setting's popularity was never because of 12, good as it may be. It came from Tactics and Vagrant Story.
>>44124693
12 did provide ridiculous amounts of background and setting information for it though.
I never did finish every page of the in-game journal.
>>44122077
That just makes it the ultimate FF game.
>>44122763
>8
>shit
>>44120636
>13
>shit
I never understood why people hated 13.
>>44124801
Let's see. The fact that there is zero exploration, the worldbuilding is awful and nonsensical, the characters are horrible and two-dimensional, and the gameplay is mostly on autopilot?
Seriously, decisions in 13 are limited and rare, in the entirety of the gameplay.
>>44124848
>zero exploration
That is not the point of FF games.
>nonsensical worldbuilding
Did you read the journal?
>2D characters
I don't buy it
>autopilot gameplay
At the very least you have to flip about through the paradigms, and it gets worse of you go fight things like Vercingetorix.
And you can autopilot through most FF games if you go grind.
>>44124674
The setting and characters aren't the problem. It's the god awful battle system that tried to fuse the old-school turn based atb system with an action rpg system.
>>44124919
There's not really any difference between the battle systems of 12 and X-2, save that the prior is in the world and the latter is not. And that you can't program X-2.
>>44124919
It wasn't that bad if you played the Zodiac version, which overhauled a great deal of it.
>>44124898
You can autopilot through just about any RPG ever made if you "go grind".
You can autopilot through Borderlands if you "go grind".
You can autopilot through all of the Igavanias if you "go grind".
You can autopilot through most of Devil May Cry if you "go grind".
>>44120636
My opinion:
1 and 10 were the only good ones.
>>44124944
The job system is shit compared to the original license system.
>>44124919
The underground part of the... Pharos I think it was? The massive tower. That part of the game is genuinely difficult and challenging, and the game should've been much more like that throughout.
>>44121604
Tactics<Tactics Advanced.
But they can coexist on the same tier.
>>44124982
The bit where they give you a tiny fraction of the map?
How about the deeper bits of the Grand Crystal?
>>44124987
>FFTA
>even close to FFT
Come back to reality anon
>>44124942
X-2 you had control over the entire party without having to manually switch between characters. Besides the only good part about x-2 was the dress spheres for mid battle class changes.
>>44124801
It's blatantly a long pretty corridor (even X tried to hide the fact that it was a corridor) and they hold off on giving you the whole battle system for way too long.
I never had a problem with the characters though. They don't behave rationally but I've never seen that as a negative. .
>>44125009
You don't need direct control if you set up your gambits right.
>>44125016
I got wrapped up in the story, so I didn't give a shit about it being 'go here' for most of the game.
>>44125021
You don't need a gun to kill someone, but it certainly helps
>>44124898
>2D characters
>I don't buy it
Really? XIII's cast was even less developed than VIII's was. Literally everything about their characters was explained in their first appearance and they didn't change from it.
Oh sure Vanille and whatever the hell the brunette's name was had a "mysterious past" that you discovered, but they never changed.
And we all knew Hope wasn't gonna be able to go through with his shitty revenge plot. Don't even try to bring that up.
>>44120829
>>44125054
>they didn't change from it.
How about Lightning in the Gapra Whitewood and Palompolum subterranean thing, where she sees Hope acting like a faggot and realises she's also a faggot?
>>44124942
They story is what really sold me on XII. I was also used to games like Star Ocean where you only controlled one character at a time with your allies being AI controlled so the Gambit system was fine.
It allowed a lot of customization too, so your helpers were never doing stuff you didn't want them too once you built them right.
>>44125084
That doesn't change how her character acts later on though.
>>44125108
She stops being an asshat to everybody but Snow.
>>44125123
Are you sure? She still seemed as dickish as before.
Frankly I found her character arc in Duodecim more compelling that her character arc in FF13.
>>44125084
She kept being a bitch to everyone though, even after she became aware of it.
My main issue with XIII is how I never felt like I was in control of the game. It just pushed me from one corridor to the next with no sidepaths and a battle system that played itself. Even when you got to Pulse it was just a giant field with a bunch of quests available for no discernable reason.
XII may have played itself via gambits but it also encourages exploration and also used its sidequests a part of a side story involving a mercenary Guild.
I tried to like XIII I forced myself to almost 100% it in the hopes that I would eventually like it. But in the end the only good thing in it was the soundtrack
>>44125163
>Duodecim
13-2?
>>44125170
...You don't know about Final Fantasy Dissidia?
>>44125183
I have heard of it.
>>44120636
>FFV
>Mid Tier
TO THE RIFT WITH THEE KNAVE!
>>44125195
Well it's got a sequel called Duodecim, that added Lightning, Laguna, Vaan, Tifa, and Yuna. Oh, and Gilgamesh.
And it's getting a reboot with 50+ characters soon. And by soon I mean it's already out in japanese arcades just with only 13 characters.
>>44125217
>50+ characters
That's almost as many as Timesplitters!
>>44125217
Don't forget Kain. Air superiority to rival Zidane. And there's nothing quite like drilling your enemies all the way until you smash them into the ceiling.
There's only two kinds of people worse than someone who thinks Final Fantasy 7 is the best game ever: people who think 13 is redeemable in anyway, and people who think 12 is anything less than the best in the series.
7 isn't even the best Final Fantasy, let alone the best game.
13 is barely a game. It's just above visual novel in terms of interaction, and the plot is a string of wafer-thin tropes.
12 had some of the best music; one of the best combat systems, if not the best; one of the best designed worlds, if not the best; a lot of the best art; some of the most believable characters (as long as you weren't a 12 year-old anime fan, or equivalent); a fantastic primary story that was grounded in plausibility and hundreds of hours of side content. It is almost universally recognized as the best in the series, being the first (and only) Final Fantasy game to get a perfect score from Famitsu and the first PS2 game to get the same honor.
The only people I've ever heard complain about Final Fantasy 12 are obsessive fans who are in love with their own ideas and not actual things, and probably fall somewhere on the spectrum. The kind of person who is typically That Guy. Unfortunately for 12, almost the entirety of the Final Fantasy fandom is comprised of this kind of forced-autistic obsessive fan. People who don't like 12 are the people who watched Eva's (in part) deconstruction of harems, missed it, and are still beating their dick to Rei 20 years later.
You can all go back to being fucking massive plebs.
Vagrant Story is still the best FF game.
>>44125252
Oh yeah. With Dissidia I just grinded with Cloud, but when Duodecim added Kain and Laguna, I knew I had found my 2 new mains.
>>44125254
Look, while I like 12, and acknowledge its quality as a game, it being the best game in the series is kind of an objective statement. I can think of many valid reasons forthe other games to hold the top spot, just like 12 has.
>>44125254
>500 hours in FF12
>something like 100 in X, and the same in X-2
>70 in FF13
>30 in 8, same in 9
>17 in 4
>16 in 5
>13 in 13-2
>something like 10 in 6
>8 in 7
>4 in 3
>and some amount in 1, 2, and DoC
No regrets.
