Witches are just female wizards, right?
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>>44075622
Depends on the system/setting.
Sometimes "witch" is the term for male wizards as well.
A witch was generally just someone capable of using magic.
Females getting witch exclusively became popular with all that pagan "wicken" garbage that was just another form of "EMPOWER WOMEN"
It's like the whole Dragon vs Wyverns debate.
If you're the kind of autist who goes "A DRAGON NEED 4 LEGS AND 2 WINGS" then you're also the kind of autist who goes "A WITCH IS A FEMALE SPELL CASTER"
>>44075631
>>44075635
You know, at this point, I'm finally just going to put my foot down.
If a setting or game is not specified, just assume it's D&D 5e. That way, we won't need to see these pointless "depends on the setting" posts every time.
>>44075668
Hags are always female.... right?
>>44075668
You seem pretty new.
>>44075668
While I wouldn't go that far, I have said before that "Depends on the setting" is a useless, cop-out non-answer, and people should at least provide examples using different settings.
>>44075668
why not pathfinder?
>>44075622
Goddammit, /co/!
>>44075664
>Females getting witch exclusively became popular with all that pagan "wicken" garbage that was just another form of "EMPOWER WOMEN"
At least we can probably agree that "warlock" means something else entirely, then (oathbreaker).
>>44075717
>new age wicca bullshit
>revered by ancient pagan faiths
I want to stab whoever wrote this.
I've always seen it as
witch=broad
wizard=guy
warlock=old guy
Just because you guys want it to be otherwise doesn't make it so
>>44075668
In D&D 5e, a witch is a derogatory term for a warlock. A warlock being a specific class of magic user who gets their power from a supernatural patron of some sort.
>>44075736
So does /co/.
>>44075708
Actually, I remember when a setting or system wasn't specified, the assumption was just "D&D, 3rd edition."
It seems appropriate to update that old assumption (which waned over time) to the current most popular generic fantasy roleplaying game.
>>44075738
There we go again with that binary terminology, havent 5e teached you anything?
>inb4 I dont play that shit
>>44075713
Its the useless, cop-out answer that a lazy, ambiguous question deserves.
>>44075738
Pretty much. A warlock is usually reserved for an evil magic user.
>>44075738
If wizards can't be old guys, how do you explain the long white beard that's a prerequisite for being a proper wizard?
>>44075622
Are you fucking kiddingme?
Witches=female
Wizards=Male
End.
>>44075771
Just for Men Gel Touch of Gandalf the Grey
>>44075768
>A warlock is usually reserved for an evil magic user.
the post you link equates it with old guy; i hadn't realized old is automatically evil
Isn't a "traditional" witch more like a druid than a wizard, except with possible devil worship thrown in?
>>44075736
It's James Robinson, which is just unspeakably disappointing.
>>44075738
Warlock=evil magic user. It literally means oathbreaker.
>>44075715
5e is more popular? Also, it seems a little more broad and generic.
But, I think there's enough similarity between the two to use whichever happens to be your preference when answering a question. 95/100, it won't be too big of a difference whether you answer it from a Pathfinder stance or a 5e stance.
>>44075793
yeah but you don't get evil until you're old enough
>>44075784
Grown-ups suck!
>>44075793
>Warlock means oathbraker
Its a guy who makes war on locks, anon, locks being all that is certainly good, therefore "locked" as people of old'e would say.
>>44075713
Or OP could give us one.
>>44075713
>I have said before that "Depends on the setting" is a useless, cop-out non-answer, and people should at least provide examples using different settings.
Yeah, blame the person who correctly answers a fundamentally STUPID, LAZY, POORLY FORMULATED QUESTION IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Seriously, fuck you. People need to stop assuming everybody can read their minds and that there is some kind of universal fantasy cannon that we all totally adhere to and start asking actually specific questions. If you want to push people to do something, then push them to think before they fucking ask, not punish people for giving the ONLY ACTUALLY CORRECT ANSWER TO A STUPID QUESTION.
>>44075772
but anon don't you want to see more results from the autism united front?
>People mad because "Depends on setting"
Explain the "Witch Doctor"
>>44075822
But everyone agrees witches are female, wizards are male. It's just easier that way. Why do you want to make it complicated, anon?
>>44075713
Isn't the assumption that a person will just answer with whatever setting they think handles the question best?
>>44075847
meh. I know that is right.
also, death to homos and trannies is what used to happen
>>44075738
I see it as
Mage = magic user
Wizard = magic user
Witch = evil lady wizard
Warlock= evil guy wizard
Wizard - Books, Scrolls, Spells, Tons and tons of study.
Witch - Potions, magic items, different spells, no study, communication with some powerful force.
Warlock - Similar to wizard, add magic items, more study, and communication with powerful evil force.
>>44075848
It's obviously a guy (doctors are male, or they would be nurses) who provides medical care for (female) witches.
>>44075855
Because if - for an instance - you wanted to run a game based on historical England and you wanted to derive the terminology from historically accurate ones, you would be wrong in assuming "witch" is universally female. Several systems, in order to differenciate themselves from others, prefer to adhere to the older concept of "witch" being simply a general term for magic user.
Personally, I don't adhere to this logic, and I use "witch" as female thing, because that is how it's predominantly used in modern english language, but considering where we are, most common use in modern english hardly cuts it.
witches and hoes
>>44075855
>everyone agrees witches are female
>>44075713
Useless, cop-out non-questions deserve a useless, cop-out non-answer.
>>44075940
Just because you can't pronounce "lich King" correctly doesn't mean you're right, Elmer Fudd
I prefer the terms "mage" or "sorcerer/sorceress" for my settings.
>>44075969
You're welcome to head on over to Oxford and bitch at Tolkien's grave.
>>44076004
Would that make him the bitch king?
>>44075918
Times change, so should your games. Then everyone is on the same page. Witch=female wizard=male. Then everyone agrees and the problem is solved, no explanation needed.
>>44075969
>>44076014
except not really? Witches use nature-based magic; wizards are more arcane and scholarly.
The only reason people think they mean the same thing is because of Harry Potter.
>>44076014
It's easy to say we should have consensus when your viewpoint is the one you're saying everyone else should have.
Would you be willing to change your views like you are saying others should?
>>44075969
>>44076062
If it was the vastly agreed upon terminology to simplify things for the community like witch=female wizard=male is, then yes.
they're all made-up words anyway
BUT
I don't think I've ever seen a male witch in any story
there are female wizards here and there tho
and no the witchking doesn't count as a witch.
just like "witchcraft" is not exclusive to females in stories
but the title of witch seems to be
>>44076086
Except it's not.
>>44076086
Bruh. There's like 6 different terms for magic users.
- mage
- witch
- warlock
- wizard
- druid
- sorcerer
They're all different pathfinder classes too.
>>44076086
There is no "community". That is the whole fucking problem. There is no one cannon generic fantasy system. And thank fuck for that.
Seriously, people like you are the fucking worst.
>>44076048
That's druids you're thinking of.
Or hippies.
>>44076011
That would just make him King of bitches, which isn't any better. Not like being King Pope, you get to be King AND Pope at the same time with the benefits of both and the negatives of neither.
>>44076048
>Witches use nature-based magic
Depends on the setting.
>>44076011
Certainly.
From a historical standpoint, saying that all witches are woman sound as stupid as >>44075717
>>44076111
>>44076130
When you say witch people think 'witch=female' when you say wizard people think 'wizard=male'. You can't argue with that. Why do you want to make it difficult?
>>44076110
With regards purely to etymology, Witch IS an exclusively female term
Wicce (Female counterpart of Wicca) -> Witch
>>44076177
>people
You can't speak for everyone, anon.
>>44076191
Majority rules, sorry to break the news. So, witch=female wizard=male is the accepted form going forward. I think it will really help everyone and make things more inviting to newcomers
>>44076141
I'm gonna agree with Yahtzee on this.
>"There's something terribly weird about the standard fantasy setting, not least of which that 'Standard Fantasy Setting' can be uttered completely without irony. Look at us; we're a civilization so steeped in escapism that we've managed to find mundanity in something that doesn't exist and never will (no matter what your Otherkin friend might say)"
>>44076185
>being this anglocentric in a sumatran cavepainting board
>>44075668
the default is 3.5
in which it's just a name you could apply to any caster, not a technical term.
I don't care about reading this thread and learning the definitions from half-assed posts.
I need to know:
What do you call a male magician?
What do you call a female magician?
Obviously, death to homos and trannies.
>>44075622
Female warlocks
>>44076252
Witch=female
Wizard=male
That's what we agreed upon, finally
>>44076185
Actually, witch is not clearly derived from either of those. To quote wiki:
The Middle English word wicche did not differentiate between feminine and masculine, however the masculine meaning became less common in Standard English, being replaced by words like "wizard" and "warlock". The modern spelling witch with the medial 't' first appears in the 16th century. In current colloquial English "witch" is almost exclusively applied to women, and the OED has "now only dialectal" for the masculine noun.
Figurative use to refer to a bewitching young girl begins in the 18th century, while wiche as a contemptuous term for an old woman is attested since the 15th century. "A witch of Endor" (alluding to 1 Samuel 28:7) as a fanciful term for a medium appears in 19th-century literature.
>The Middle English word wicche did not differentiate between feminine and masculine,
Which is why you still have things the like Witchking of Angmar. The word has only gained female connotations over time.
>>44076212
>>44076177
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During Halloween? sure. In historybook? Anybodys guess. And there aren't extensive research of "what people think when they heard the word witch", as far as I know.
>>44076252
Depends on the settings, you fucking mongoloid. How hard is it to comprehend that there is no fucking universal agreement on this, no universal fantasy cannon?
>>44076272
>>44076281
/thread?
>>44076231
Anglocentrism in European languages, what a horror show
>>44076252
I'd think mage/wizard/magician are all agender terms, while sorcerer/sorceress, witch/warlock, and a few others are feminine/masculine versions pairings. Personally I find Sorceror/Magus to be the most ubiquitous terms.
But Witch strikes me as a negative term, I guess
>>44076252
Depends on what magical tradition they adhere to.
>>44076305
Except no one thinks that except anon agreeing with his own posts.
>>44076281
Hm, my bad, then. Thanks for the update - It was a discussion I had the other day which prompted me to look into it (Evidently not deeply enough)
In my view, Witch and Warlock are two words for the same thing of opposite genders.
A wizard can be male or female, but a witch is always female and a warlock is always male. You could say going against this is fine because artistic license and shit, but it's still etymologically and semantically incorrect.
>>44076299
Just because a small percentage of people hold onto an outdated viewpoint doesn't mean it's not settled. Society has already agreed that witch=female wizard=male.
>>44076272
>what we agreed upon
But we didn't.
>>44076299
I did not know that.
>>44076315
>witch as negative
same here. But I think it is female.
>>44076324
Could you give examples?
>>44076340
sorry for that.
>>44076185
This isn't the 12th century, and you don't speak Old English
>>44076348
You are a fucking retard, that is beyond belief. People like you are a fucking plague - on this board, and on the whole genre and subculture.
>>44076360
IT IS INSIDE MY MAGICAL REALM!
>>44076348
>Society has already agreed
When was this meeting?
>>44076305
You can't thread yourself.
>>44076315
>Anglocentrism in European languages, what a horror show
>Magus
And there goes all the credibility you had.
>>44076377
last friday, you missed it anon?
They had free subway subs and drinks.
The meeting itself wasnt fun, but gathering with people was.
Good times.
>>44076360
Have to agree with this. As time goes on words change meaning based on usage, so while witch may not have originally been exclusive to women, current usage has changed the meaning of the word so that now it refers to a female magic user.
>>44076348
>muh society
How can you be this dense?
>>44076393
>They had free subway subs
I told them more people would show up if they had pizza.
>>44075622
Should be
But these days, wizards in fantasy are magical autarchs with no sense of right and wrong
>>44076414
Thats true.
But its not like Im gonna pass on free food.
Google Image search witch. Every single picture with the exception of a witch doctor is female. Fact. Everyone else agrees witch=female wizard=male, why can't you guys just agree with it to make the community better, simpler and more inviting for people who are interested?
>>44075713
>provide examples
Example 1: Yes, a witch is a female wizard.
Example 2: No, a witch is not a female wizard.
Example 3: Maybe, a witch can be a female wizard but not always.
Those are the only possible answers, and none of them are helpful or interesting.
>>44076426
Do kids even play Wizard 101?
>>44076377
You could say the same thing for every definition ever, and get no conclusive evidence whatsoever.
Languages are literally random gibberish connected by an underlying pattern given arbitrary meaning, misinterpritations of which lead to alternate usages and different languages. The main barrier to new languages and new words is always usage. You could use the same term with three people by defining its meaning individually, but you could not do that with a thousand people. New words always propagate only by widespread usage by morons who do not know what the original word means.
So, AFAIK,
Witch=Female
Wizard=Male
"Witch" can also be used as a prefix or suffix for titles, but those titles need not be inherently gender-specific as long as the adjoining word is neutral.
okay /tg/
What's the difference between wizard and mage?
Skill level? Age?
>>44076489
Anon, you know exactly what you are doing.
>>44076489
Total amount of hair.
I said it, so it must be true of EVERY wizard in EVERY setting!
>>44076438
Google image search is not historical fact or any of the many, many fictional settings that have wizards and witches and other such magic users.
>>44076426
>>44076560
I can't think of any setting, other than stuff like D&D where gender limitations are taboo, with male witches.
>>44075622
I remember reading once that witches were a character archetype that happened mostly in the Hero's Journey and that they obtained their powers through their beauty and how much they could affect men through them. Witches were good or evil depending if they used that power to help the male hero grow or to bewitch others.
That also would explain how most old witches are evil because they're not beautiful anymore and they tend to use other means to obtain their lost power.
>>44076637
Real life.
>>44076646
Witches aren't real, Anon.
>>44076657
Tell that to all the people who burned for being witches. Many of whom were men.
>>44076646
witch doctors don't count and there aren't witches IRL anyway.
No one has yet brought a sound argument against the majority opinion that witch=female wizard=male other than 'OLDE ENGLISH AND OLD DEFINITIONS SAY OTHERWISE'. Stop living in the past. We all know what sex a witch is and what sex a wizard is. How does making things confusing help you?
>>44076670
>we killed them so they must have actually been witches
Go back to Salem
>How does magic work?
>Why is necromancy evil?
>Can a paladin do drugs and not fall?
>What happens if an object is enchanted twice?
>What do elves think of slavery?
>Do female dwarves have beards?
>Can a demon ever turn good, and if so, is it still a demon?
>What you you call a half-orc-half-elf?
>Do elementals have souls?
>How do you kill a vampire?
>How many legs does a dragon have?
I DEMAND A SINGLE CORRECT ANSWER THAT APPLIES TO EVERYTHING!!
>>44076637
In Warhammer 40k, psykers are referred to as witches regardless of their gender.
>>44076685
Explain why there are female wizards then.
>>44075668
There is literally nothing in the OP that implies dnd. Or even 5e.
>>44076715
>A SINGLE CORRECT ANSWER
Maybe.
>>44076715
Ain't gotta explain shit
Because souls and shit
yes
no can do
they love it
yes
no
an elf
no
with anti-vampire spray
1d6+2
>>44076715
Here:___________________________________________________________________Fuck you
>>44075767
You know what else is lazy?
Not giving any context to the question.
>>44076777
I'll make sure to give extremely specific, obscure contexts to the inane, contextless question the next time I see one.
![sweatymancartoon230x300_1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UsRz76Y.jpg "sweatymancartoon230x300_1[1].jpg")
>>44076751
>1d6+2
>Roll a 1
>dragon with 3 legs
So, two legs to stand up and the third leg is....
oh lord
>>44075622
No, female warlocks.
>>44076685
>How does making things confusing help you?
It enables variety and forces people to think about individual concepts always within a specific frame of reference, disencouraging further calcification of harmful and boring tropes. It also reflects how language actually works, the whole "descriptive, not prescriptive" deal.
It gives authors leeway and more options to work with their artistic licence, and it inspires readers to be more aware of context and more flexible in their use and understanding of spoken language.
Now, here is a better question:
Why is it so fucking important for you that there is one universal, absolute agreement on the meanings of the words? Does complexity of meanings scare you? Does the notion that when somebody uses the word "witch", you might not be perfectly, 100% sure it's female right off the bat without further clarification make you piss your pants at night?
>>44076777
>Not giving any context to the question.
I'm pretty sure that is what he was saying.
>>44076715
>How does magic work?
Magic spells draw upon otherworldly energies in order to create effects that would otherwise, by normal laws of physics, be impossible.
>Why is necromancy evil?
It desacrates the bodies of the fallen and, depending on the type of spell, their souls as well.
>Can a paladin do drugs and not fall?
As long as the deity he follows doesn't forbid drug use, yes.
>What happens if an object is enchanted twice?
Depends on the material it's made from, but in most cases, nothing.
>What do elves think of slavery?
They think it's bad, but they do use a form of indentured servancy that to an outsider isn't any different from slavery.
>Do female dwarves have beards?
Yes.
>Can a demon ever turn good, and if so, is it still a demon?
That's two questions, but no. A demon can, at best, be "not actively evil," but that's not the same as being good.
>What you you call a half-orc-half-elf?
A mutt.
>Do elementals have souls?
No.
>How do you kill a vampire?
Sunlight.
>How many legs does a dragon have?
Two. Though it can walk on four limbs much like a gorilla.
In my setting, the elf sorcerers who rule the largest elf kingdom and were the first to come out from the feywild call themselves witches. The witches are by most accounts all women and secretive (few know who they are and fewer know how many there are). Because of this, the word "witch", over the few thousand years they've been here, has become a borrowed word describing secretive, female and or fey mages.
>>44076272
No, and fuck you.
>>44076908
test
>>44075717
God fucking dammit, why are all comic writers so invested in forcing this bullshit down everyone's throats these days?
Anyway, I tend to think of Witches as not being entirely human. They're more the opposite-gender version of something like a warlock: a person who has made some sort of unholy pact with something beyond the ken of mortals in exchange for power. They may look human on the outside, but only like an apple infested with worms still looks like a healthy apple from the right angle.
>>44076962
Also, I suppose what witches are depends heavily on what region of the world / mythology you happen to be drawing inspiration from.
>>44076814
It's important because why have two terms then? If witch can be male or female and wizard can be male or female then why have two terms when they're the same thing. Obviously, that's not the case. There are two terms because they differentiate. witch=female wizard=male. Do you want the word 'he' to refer to anyone of any gender? I bet you're one of those people that wants to use xe for everything. We're not caving to your nonconformage views. witch=female wizard=male, that's the whole reason the terms exist.
>>44075668
>If a setting or game is not specified, just assume it's D&D 5e. That way, we won't need to see these pointless "depends on the setting" posts every time.
No, fuck you.
>>44075622
>Witches are just female wizards, right?
Nope.
>>44077033
>why have two terms when they're the same thing.
http://www.thesaurus.com/
>>44077033
>Two terms used to describe the same thing has never happened in the history of language. That's why the word "synonym" doesn't exist.
>>44075668
...D&D 5e isn't a single setting though.
>>44075664
What if witches also needed 4 legs and 2 wings? Like that was part of the ritual to become a Witch (which is obviously a female Lich, right?) involves them stealing and sticking onto their body a set of wings?
>>44077073
>>44077075
he isn't a synonym for she, though
>>44077033
Except they aren't the same thing.
When both of them exist as technical terms (Meaning they describe a specific powerset), they are almost never the same term. Wizards are scholarly, witches are almost always druid-lite. Sometimes only one of them is a technical term within the setting and the other one is just a title or slang. Sometimes neither of them are technical terms and both are slang or informal titles.
>>44075668
>just assume it's D&D 5e
But D&D 5e is compatible with many settings, Faerûn being only one of those.
>>44077108
Doesn't mean witch isn't a synonym of wizard though.
>>44077109
when I say wizard I bet you think of a male. And when I say witch I bet you think of a female. That's all I'm saying: the majority of people think that way so why not have that be the default definition unless otherwise stated?
>>44077131
maybe it used to be, but I think we all know now wizard=male witch=female
What's your favorite witch class, /tg/?
>>44077134
>the majority of people think that way so why not have that be the default definition unless otherwise stated?
Has there ever been a worst justification for things?
>>44077134
>When I say pie you think of apple pie. So therefore all pie is now defined as apple pie.
>>44077134
Because there are female wizards, and sometimes male witches (Occasionally with the word warlock as a title, but the same concept).
And regardless, in the context of /tg/, they mean entirely separate things based on what kind of magical power they have and how they got it in the first place, not on what they have between their legs.
Harry Potter is not the be all end all of fantasy.
>>44077108
No, he is clearly a contraction of she and so should be spelt 'he.
>>44077144
We can see the IP count, you know. Samefagging this repeatedly doesn't make it true.
>>44075668
and when 6e comes out then what?
>>44075631
even in the historical perspective it's kinda like that
though the general consensus is that they were the inbred daughters of satan. Quite different from wizards who just had magic for the sake of magic (warlock were more similar though).
>>44077255
Nope.jpg
>>44077223
Then the default setting become Shadowrun.
Its going to be awesome.
>>44077282
Quick, tell me how teleportation works.
And while you're at it, explain how time magic works.
>>44076837
>How does magic work?
Magic spells draw upon naturally occurring energies in order to create effects that would otherwise, by Earth laws of physics, be impossible.
>Why is necromancy evil?
It's not, but the creation of undead is.
>Can a paladin do drugs and not fall?
No. Their powers rely on purity of body to function.
>What happens if an object is enchanted twice?
It gets an upgrade, whether enhancing the first or adding another type.
>What do elves think of slavery?
They think it's bad, and fight all other races who use it.
>Do female dwarves have beards?
No.
>Can a demon ever turn good, and if so, is it still a demon?
That's two questions, but yes. A demon can become good, but will ping as evil due being made of literal evil.
>What you you call a half-orc-half-elf?
Nothing, as they dont exist.
>Do elementals have souls?
Yes.
>How do you kill a vampire?
Beheading, or staking.
>How many legs does a dragon have?
0 to 8, not including wings.
>>44075622
The way I see it usually used is
Wizard=man, usually with beard and pointy hat
Sorceress=female wizard. Usually hot.
Witch=female evil magic user, with curses and stuff. Either hot or an old crone. Probably flies on a broom and has a cat, crow or toad familiar. May make deals with demons for magical power.
Warlock=male witch, or generic term for evil wizard. Usually makes deals with and summons demons.
>>44077182
I'm not trying to hide the fact that I'm replying to a lot of these, I'm trying to help you understand that if you would all just agree with everyone else that witch=female wizard=male you would help yourselves
>>44077346
Wrong.
>>44077406
Or you can fuck off for being a stupid autist. How about that instead?
In the games I play in, witch is a non gendered name for a class that gets its power from otherworldly patrons, gets a familiar, and does a bunch of buffing and debuffing.
I dont play in shitty Harry Potter, or other terrible mainstream settings who rely on simplistic and stupid ideas about how fantasy works.
>>44077433
No, Im right.
>>44077376
>Sorceress=female wizard.
Then what is a Sorcerer?
>itt nobody notices half of this thread is just one nerd from /co/ shitposting
>>>/co/78053418
>>44077519
Wizardess is an underused word IMO
>>44077406
You're wrong.
There are female wizards (And don't try to say that sorcerers are female wizards, because they're usually a different group with a different power source and can be both male and female) and male witches (Generally called warlocks).
And sometimes "witch" is a derogatory term for an unwholesome person, regardless of any magic they may or may not have. And sometimes it's a term for someone who is so good at a skill that it seems like magic to others.
Sometimes wizard is a very specific type of magic user, and other times it's a general, informal term that means anyone with magic (And sometimes Mage/Magician fills one of those roles while Wizard fills the other), and sometimes wizard is only used by stage magicians with no supernatural powers at all.
You're trying to generalize two wildly varying terms along an axis that is entirely irrelevant to what they are or what they do in almost every setting they exist in.
>>44077583
Any idiot could claim that. /co/ isn't smart enough to shitpost this well.
>>44077033
>It's important because why have two terms then?
Because neither of those terms has a definitive meaning? Do you fucking not understand how LANGUAGE work you idiot?
>If witch can be male or female and wizard can be male or female then why have two terms when they're the same thing.
Because witch and wizard are not the same thing, you fucking idiot.
>There are two terms because they differentiate. witch=female wizard=male.
No, there are two terms because they come from two entirely different language roots. Literally, they have nearly no common semantic history, dipshit. Wizard, from the original root "wys", means literally a "wise person".
Witch, from wiccian, "to practice divinations, to cast spells".
The gender dichotomy between the two is something that you forced into this. There is no historical or practical reason to assume the two exist as gender differenciations of the same concept: each is a word with entirely different history and semantic origin.
>witch=female wizard=male, that's the whole reason the terms exist.
Nobody in the world can actually, seriously be this stupid and still know how to operate a computer, so I officially declare you a succesful troll and I'm out of this thread.
>>44077519
A male magus
>>44077619
But what if Persia isn't in the setting? What do we call Magus then?
>>44077647
Sage
>>44077647
A competent bard.
Duh.
>>44077677
I don't see what an herb has to do with magic.
>>44077607
>shitpost this well.
No, he isnt shitposting well at all, hes been called a lazy faggot and a retard for it, and all he is doing is riling you /tg/ guys up.
The whole issue comes from the latest issue of Scarlet Witch.
This part in particular >>44075717
>>44077703That's the joke. /co/ can't even get shitposting right.
>>44077583
It's not one guy.
It's a couple of us, and we came here on a dare. We first tried to rile up you guys by posting sentences without reasons (obvious bait) but then I guess we didn't like it so much because you guys were taking it seriously. So I stopped posting BS.
Started here
>>>/co/78052394
>>44077703
Scarlet Witch is such a shitty character with vague, poorly explained powers and a history that is constantly being retconned into something else.
Time to blow some fucking minds yo
>>44077753
I guess /co/ really is just another trash board these days
>>44077700
>I don't see what an herb has to do with magic.
Magic is all about herbs.
>>44077786
Druids can only be male.
>>44077786
Explain Wizardess
Explain Sorcerer
Explain Sorceress
Explain Warlock
Explain Mage
Explain Magician
Explain Priest
>>44077703
>>44077805
ever since the reddit invansion, yes.
while 8 /co/ drifts on uncertain waters....
>>44077807
Magicians are sages who can do magic with herbs.
>>44077820
>Explain Wizardess
A female wizard.
>Explain Sorcerer
They exist on a separate 'Bloodline Powers' triangle.
>Explain Sorceress
A female sorcerer.
>Explain Warlock
Commonly THOUGHT to be a male witch, but actually lower down than witch on that triangle, more towards wizard than cleric.
>Explain Mage
An alternate name for a wizard, but also a magic expert who is not a magic-user.
>Explain Magician
A wizard certified by a magician's college. Many do not admit women.
>Explain Priest
An alternate name for a cleric, but also a religious authority who is not a divine magic-user.
>>44077846
double /co/ is slow as hell, but it isnt shit like /co/mblr
you can actually discuss comics there and storytimes last for weeks.
>>44077853
I thought sages are magicians who do magic whithout herbs.
>>44077846
>8 anything
fuck off back to your containment chan
>>44077873
No, sages are male sorceresses who failed out of the Persian magician colleges.
>>44077837
Oh Jesus the Cossacks letter. The classic go fuck yourself letter.
>>44077820
>Explain Wizardess
Female wizard
>Explain Sorcerer
Faggot.
>Explain Sorceress
Pre-op Sorcerer on hormones.
>Explain Warlock
An awakened lock with levels in a martial class.
>Explain Mage
Someone who does magic.
>Explain Magician
Someone in a top hat who pretends to do magic.
>Explain Priest
Fancy robes and judgement. May or may not also be a Cleric.
>>44075736
I like you
>>44075745
I also like /co/ now as well
>>44076449
Does anyone play Wizard 101 nowadays?
>>44077033
>why have two terms when they're the same thing
Because they are not one and the same, numbnuts.
>>44075717
That pic has made me grumpy.
Alright so what we can agree upon is that witch=wizard then
>>44078012
No.
>>44078012
Basically
>>44077874
what?
Why do people have this reaction? Everywhere I see on 4chan, this is what I get. There was a pretty big thread on /qa/ about this where evryone was just swatting people for saying positive things about double.
>>44078071
Because it's a chan that exists to vent specifically about one thing that is already forced into every discussion where possible on this one. It is the fucking definition of that screencap about furries and /pol/.
>>44076715
It ceases to be magic once you find out.
Because necromancers realized being misunderstood is for faggots.
Not if they have a friend to carry them.
Something magical.
They look down on those who prat ice it as barbarians, but they secretly miss not having to pick their own magic cotton.
Yes, they become a risen demon, just like a fallen angel they keep their form but chang their aspect.
An orf. Alternatively mutt.
No.
Sunlight or cutting off their head while they have been staked through the heart with a wooden spike and a clove of grlic has been placed in their mouth.
Less then when it met the party.
>>44078093
The majority of people wo visit 8 visit it for the niche boards. That's it. Almost no one from those boards posts on main boards like /n/, /pol/ or /b/. And people who post on e main ones are the ones who migrated from here, and hence they are generally comcentrated in the same structure in which 4chan operates. Those people have sworn never to come back. The people who post here are not the "problem", as it might seem to you.
>>44075622
Witch = one who practices witchcraft
Wizard = one who practices wizardry
Sorcerer/Sorceress = one who practices sorcery
Mage/Magician = one who practices magic
Warlock = oathbreaker/traitor, also (primarily) used to mean an exclusively male witch
>>44078140
kek, I have never been on an 8 mirror board where there wasn't at least one thread bitching about the state of the board here. I wasn't saying people here are the problem, either - I was saying the people here ARE a problem, and that problem is hugely magnified on 8. Like the majority of spinoff chans it an agenda-ridden hugbox.
>>44078133
Also anvils can't have hair, retard
>>44077786
>only four classes
These are now the only words you're allowed to use for pure spellcasters, in every setting.
Anything else DOES NOT EXIST regardless of what the author says, and you will not ask "what's the difference" to any of them if you value your life.
>>44075622
Comprehensive /tg/ guide to magic users:
>Priest
Uses powers of his/her divine patron for magic
>Witch
Similiar to priest but uses paganism,usually is outlawed. Usually a female,a male is called either "witch" or "witcher"
>Hag/crone
Particularly vile and old female witch,usually hideous.
>Seer,oracle
Person that can somehow see future
>Prophet
Above but with religous importance.
>Mage/wizard
Either a general term for person who uses magic or a person that uses common magic,without dedicating to one stream of it.
>Sorcerer
Generally an mage using magic commonly considered as "evil"
>Warlock
Usually battlemage of some kind OR just a synonym to sorcerer
>Druid
A person that uses magic of nature,usually can shapeshift
>Shaman
Either a scholar/priest/doctor of a primitive tribe or a person who communicates with earth/elements/sun etc. Similiar to witch but generally good
>Witch Doctor
Either a witch or a shaman with vast medical knowledge
>>44075664
thats not where the term witch came from you uneducated fuck. Wicca has nothing to do with it.
>>44078321
>Bard is closer to Druid and Elementalist than Witch
Wow that's really fucking retarded.
>>44078177
Well, yes it has an agenda but not everyone's in on it, and It's stupid to dissent comments about it just because it says so.
8 has way better content and much less shitposting on proper boards, because of the fact that there are boards for shitposting. There is /bane/ and /just/ which cover the /tv/ side of memes, which is a problem here because there are around 10-12 threads about biy guy, just and BLACKED shit on /tv/. They even have a /cel/ebs board there so /tv/ remains pure.
The only problem is the traffic. There is simply just not enough traffic on the small boards which have segregated into much smaller, niche boards to justify spending time there. You could easily post once and expect not to check for replies within a day. That's why everyone comes here to shitpost and to discuss BS topics. Because that place has to be kept clean of this shit, we use 4 as our garbage can.
also not mentioned but obvious perks are captcha once every 24 hours, 5 images per post, 8 MB image limit per image, spoilers, dice rolling, etc on every board, you can create a new board if you and fellow anons don't like the mod, only content that infringes server country laws is prohibited, etc.
I use the term "wizard" as unisex, and equate "witch" and "warlock" as two sides of the same coin.
>>44078386
Before third edition, Bards were implied to be druids who failed their training.
>>44078352
That is entirely not comprehensive and wrong for quite a few settings.
>>44078449
That's back when Druid was Celtic Druid though. It doesn't change that's a shitty chart.
https://libcom.org/files/Caliban%20and%20the%20Witch.pdf
recommended reading Re witches as a weird symptom of early capitalism: 'the Church used the charge of heresy to attack every form of social and political insubordination'. The stuff about peasant uprising is good GM-adaptable material also. May be a bit to SJW in flavour for some of yous.
>>44078151
>Warlock = oathbreaker/traitor, also (primarily) used to mean an exclusively male witch
Why is the Warlock description so much more negative than the witch one?
Just call it: one who practices warlockery
>>44078924
>Why is the Warlock description so much more negative than the witch one?
Because the word has historically more negative connotations than the others
>>44077346
>naturally occurring energies
I think you mean "arcanely occurring energies", bruv.
>>44079123
No, in the context of many settings, that magic energy is completely natural.
And you should let those who are good at joking do the jokes.
A witch is a spellcaster who gets their power by consorting with demons/devils.
A wizard manipulates magical energy through their own innate ability and practice.
but then again, it is completely dependent on setting. Do what you want.
>>44078924
Witch derives from old english "Wicce" and means a practicer of sorcery, and has cognates in fressian and low german which specifically refers to fortune tellers and soothsayers, and all of which had roots in a proto-indo-european term for consecration i.e. made holy, presumably because early fortune tellers and soothsayers were basically holy oracles connected to various early indo-european local gods, like the oracle at delphi.which immediately makes me want to design a setting where arcane magic is an "older" sort of divine magic, or the remnants of the divine magic left over when gods die/fade out of memory
Warlock, by contrast, is an old english compound word made up of the word "Wær" meaning contract/covenant/promise and "Loga" meaning Liar, with the hard "ck" at the end being an addition from celts and britons (remembering the britons were a tribe in britain that got forced into northern england when the anglo-saxons invaded) who also added the "literally in league with the devil" connotation to the concept of oathbreaker because they're all grumpy buggers.
I avoid this bullshit by just making all magic users the same 'class' or so in my games and setting.
The different titles don't mean much different things, but are usually used in a derogatory way or as a respected title depending on where you are. Usually magic users are called witches by those who wish to insult them and usually they are called Mages, Wizards, etc. If they want to suck up, which they often do.
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